Confusing diet info...Atomic any input?

[HappyMedium]

I have asked 4 of my friends who have all girls and asked them what they ate, what they cut out...here goes...

1. Nothing..she ate Burger King and Chinese with both daughters, POURED salt on all her food..I mean...she would dip her fries in salt..she has always done that. AND ate cake for breakfast..not a healthy eater by any means.

2. Lots of pork and rice. Asian

3. sugar free international coffee 2-3 times a day, protein from peanut butter and string cheese, dannon low suger yogurt, lots of it, eggs apple slices and 1 banana a day.

4. parents owned a cow farm, if that tells you anything

sooooo.....this leaves what??? I assume eating the LE diet, basically eating everything in low/moderation seems okay??? I plan on following the LE with regard to IG, but no breakfast is a killer....blood sugar drops to nil. Any input Atomic would be great....

[atomic sagebrush]

It's NOT diet that sways, it's declining maternal condition and a slightly reduced level of fertility overall. If you're less fertile and/or in declining condition for other reasons, you can eat straight off the girl menu and get a boy and vice versa. Not only that, but it's also portion size and regularity of eating as well. My mom eats boy-friendly foods but in a girl-friendly pattern (I have NEVER seen her snack idly and she rarely eats breakfast), does other girl-friendly things (smoking and chewing sugar free gum all day) and has girls and only 1 boy. An unhealthy diet, even if it does seem somewhat boy friendly, will sway pink if it is harming health/fertility.

Plus, after all swaying is said and done, luck still has a part to play - if eating a particular food/diet could sway with 100% accuracy, the entire human race would have died out long ago!!

Personally, I am NOT convinced at all that salt sways blue. I think it may sway pink when eaten in excess (and I was eating quite a lot of salt when I conceived DD and did not restrict it at all). The reason I keep sodium restriction in the LE Diet is because it's easy enough to do and it's also good for health so why not. It is def. the best cheat of all.

If you really need breakfast, cake is not a bad way to go for pink. It causes your blood sugar to spike sharply but then plummets as your body releases insulin to get rid of the sugar. You end up with lower blood sugar than you had to begin with! What you need to watch out for is eating both protein and carbs together, because the carbs make your blood sugar go up and then the protein keeps your level higher for longer after you eat. If you need breakfast, try for either just carbs or just protein, not both.

[hopingforsaskia]

That is really interesting... Does this mean that if I were to follow the diet strictly, but only eat healthy foods (ie: veg and fruit and a few carbs like rice and pasta) that I could essentially be voiding the effects of the sway by increasing overall health and wellbeing? This would explain why there are vegetarians on this site that have had boys -- they eat really healthy!! :)

The diet is the one thing I'm struggling to plan out -- I want to get it absolutely right! Should we snack instead on McDonalds chips and other terrible things???

Alternatively, would boosting overall condition prior to the start of diet and attempts be a good idea - so that the body is kind of shocked by the lack of nutrition (or perhaps the quantity and variety it's used to)? As you know, I'm eating the herbal foods from Sunrider, and they are so packed full of nutrients that I'm thinking I might eat them all the way up until 6 weeks and then drop it all cold turkey as well as spring the diet on my body. I'm thinking that would work well, if declining condition is "the thing"... Am I on the right track here? :)

[HappyMedium]

Atomic, my girlfriend also said she ate McDonalds EVERY DAMN DAY on the way to work, Burger King/Subway or Chinese for lunch, she smoked, and never lost weight, BUT she was not healthy..so you're right!!! I have all of a sudden come down with a cold or something and I am never sick..my throat is killing me and my nose is crazy stuffy...must be the aspertame. I will follow your advice and not mix my proteins/carbs...I will get low everything I can and see...I had a small amount of chicken for dinner and skipped the broccoli and noodles. Drank some CL, peppermint tea for my throat and sugar free coffee. I think I will be toxic by the end of this cycle LOL.

[atomic sagebrush]

That is really interesting... Does this mean that if I were to follow the diet strictly, but only eat healthy foods (ie: veg and fruit and a few carbs like rice and pasta) that I could essentially be voiding the effects of the sway by increasing overall health and wellbeing? This would explain why there are vegetarians on this site that have had boys -- they eat really healthy!! :)

The diet is the one thing I'm struggling to plan out -- I want to get it absolutely right! Should we snack instead on McDonalds chips and other terrible things???

Alternatively, would boosting overall condition prior to the start of diet and attempts be a good idea - so that the body is kind of shocked by the lack of nutrition (or perhaps the quantity and variety it's used to)? As you know, I'm eating the herbal foods from Sunrider, and they are so packed full of nutrients that I'm thinking I might eat them all the way up until 6 weeks and then drop it all cold turkey as well as spring the diet on my body. I'm thinking that would work well, if declining condition is "the thing"... Am I on the right track here? :)

Please bear with me, this is hard for peopel to understand.'

No, it does not mean that at all and in fact, eating a diet based around fruit/veg/carbs is actually MUCH more reliable a way to get into declining condition than eating poorly is for most of us. Some people eat junk their entire lives and their bodies are no longer able to handle the junk (or for genetic reasons, are less able to handle junk to begin with) and at some point, it takes its toll and puts them into lousy condition. Just like drinking a glass of water is necessary for life, too much water can drown you - it's totally too much of a good thing sometimes.

Low nutrient does not mean no nutrient. There are TONS of nutrients in McDonalds. Fat, calories, and protein ARE nutrients and they sway a heck of a lot more strongly than the miniscule amount of nutrients in broccoli. You'd literally ahve to eat a mountain of broccoli to get anywhere near as much nutrition as the smallest size McDonald's burger.

Heart healthy does NOT mean fertility healthy. Researchers fed mice and rats a very calorically restrictive diet and they lived superlong lifespans but had hardly any children because a restrictive diet suppresses fertility. Rats and mice fed more saturated fat were more fertile and had more sons, even tho a diet high in sat. fat is not good for preventing heart disease and cancer. For TTC pink, you want your fertility to be depressed slightly, and the most reliable way to do this is coincidentally a diet that is good for heart health and preventing cancer (which we've been taught means a "healthy" diet but it's not healthy for fertility!) That having been said, you can also depress your fertility by eating a very high sodium, high sugar, super high fat diet and fried/barbequed meat has yucky stuff in it that can suppress fertility too - but that takes TIME to do. for a 6 week sway, it's much more reliable to go for a heart-healthy diet and cut fat/protein/calories back.

It's not a good idea to try and get into good condition and then shock your body. The reason being, it's easy for some of us to get into great condition - our bodies are just extra good at saving and storing nutrients and so we get in good condition and basically store up a lot of nutrition. 6 weeks, even 90 days of diet may not be enough to counteract that. You need to start from square one and then go from there. You don't want to get into BETTER condition and then cut back, you end up right back where you were to begin with (and where you conceived boys!)

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic, my girlfriend also said she ate McDonalds EVERY DAMN DAY on the way to work, Burger King/Subway or Chinese for lunch, she smoked, and never lost weight, BUT she was not healthy..so you're right!!! I have all of a sudden come down with a cold or something and I am never sick..my throat is killing me and my nose is crazy stuffy...must be the aspertame. I will follow your advice and not mix my proteins/carbs...I will get low everything I can and see...I had a small amount of chicken for dinner and skipped the broccoli and noodles. Drank some CL, peppermint tea for my throat and sugar free coffee. I think I will be toxic by the end of this cycle LOL.

You do not need to skip broccoli and noodles in favor of chicken - you'd seriously have to eat a mountain of broccoli to get the nutrition in chicken.

You can also mix protein and carbs sometimes at meals. If you skip breakfast and avoid snacks, you've already done all you need to do to keep your blood sugar lower than it was before.

Please understand I am trying to explain how and why peopel can eat what appears to be a boy-friendly diet and get girls. I'm not describing an ideal sway diet at all. An ideal sway diet is vegetarian, low protein, low cal, low fat, with blood sugar on the low side. You guys don't need to overthink it beyond that - it's supposed to be easy.

[HappyMedium]

Atomic....that says it all...vegetarian, low protein, low fat,, low cal, low blood sugar...nuff said.

[hopingforsaskia]

Awesome response -- thanks heaps!!! I am a lot clearer on the diet now! :)

[auroara78]

AS I really like the insight about the rats and heart healthy does not equal fertility healthy!! Great food for thought.

[Mochagirl]

It's true - I know many super duper healthy athletic types who never eat junk food or anything remotely bad for them, and many of them have very irregular periods and I imagine that's a signal of reduced fertility despite the fact that otherwise we'd look at them as at the pinnacle of health (I don't think I know any who have kids - no idea if that's by choice or necessity).

[sweetpea]

This is a super interesting thread! :agree:

Atomic, every time I think I fully understand the LE Diet, I see a post like this that explains it even more - and thus, I gain an even greater understanding of it. The diet used to confuse me a TON...but I'm learning more and more about it every day, thanks to your super informative posts! Thank you so much!! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm just glad when you guys keep asking me questions and provide me the opportunity to explain. This was all coalesced in my mind and seemed obvious ~to me~ but did not always come across in the essays and diet stuff. The more I can help people understand, the more it will fall into place.

Even the stuff that doesn't seem to make sense at first blush, really DOES totally make sense and everything has an explanation. Any shortcoming with understanding is due solely to my lack of being able to express it properly so ask, ask, ask until it is crystal clear.

[n710]

I just want to chime in and add,you can totally seem to be eating boy friendly foods, but actually be doing the LE girl diet.(unknowingly in my case)

I just had 3 girls eating 1 cup coffee for breakfast with non dairy creamer and sugar.
2-3 hours later a piece of fruit, maybe a piece of granola or cookie, et.
2 hours later another piece of fruit.
Lunch was some crackers or chips with lettuce, tomato, and pepper and a couple slices of cheese. Maybe a piece of candy.
Dinner was ice cream with peanut butter
**All I drank during the day was lemon water with a little sugar

I did have some healthy food, but very little protein and not even a meal until the afternoon

[sweetpea]

I just want to chime in and add,you can totally seem to be eating boy friendly foods, but actually be doing the LE girl diet.(unknowingly in my case)

I just had 3 girls eating 1 cup coffee for breakfast with non dairy creamer and sugar.
2-3 hours later a piece of fruit, maybe a piece of granola or cookie, et.
2 hours later another piece of fruit.
Lunch was some crackers or chips with lettuce, tomato, and pepper and a couple slices of cheese. Maybe a piece of candy.
Dinner was ice cream with peanut butter
**All I drank during the day was lemon water with a little sugar

I did have some healthy food, but very little protein and not even a meal until the afternoon

:suprise:

How many calories per day is that? Weren't you hungry? Eeek, you would be shocked (and probably a bit disgusted!) to know what my normal "boy-friendly" diet consists of! :oops:

[atomic sagebrush]

I just want to chime in and add,you can totally seem to be eating boy friendly foods, but actually be doing the LE girl diet.(unknowingly in my case)

I just had 3 girls eating 1 cup coffee for breakfast with non dairy creamer and sugar.
2-3 hours later a piece of fruit, maybe a piece of granola or cookie, et.
2 hours later another piece of fruit.
Lunch was some crackers or chips with lettuce, tomato, and pepper and a couple slices of cheese. Maybe a piece of candy.
Dinner was ice cream with peanut butter
**All I drank during the day was lemon water with a little sugar

I did have some healthy food, but very little protein and not even a meal until the afternoon

Thank you so much for sharing!! It really helps to show that it's not the foods you eat that count!

[n710]

I am not sure how many calories it was, but I would be STARVING by 2pm when I got the kids down for nap and finally had lunch. My lunch was really big though, a lot of lettuce, an entire pepper and I really would have like half the box of crackers or chips with that.

After the first couple hours in the am you don't feel hungry anymore, but it has just been harder for me to eat in the am while with the kids. I have 4, ages 4 and under. So I usually just eat when they are sleeping, lunch at nap time and dinner after they go to bed at 8pm. It's because I like to sit down and eat and not get interrupted so that only leaves when they are sleeping.
SweetPea-I definitely wouldn't be disgusted, I use to eat much more before I had kids;) I am looking forward to being healthy again, what I was eating was definitely not enough.

I have been doing better by having a hard boiled egg in the am, quick yogurt or homemade granola. Something I can grab and eat while taking care of the kids.

**Interestingly, when I got pregnant with my son all I drank during the day was watered down cranberry juice.

[auroara78]

:suprise:

How many calories per day is that? Weren't you hungry? Eeek, you would be shocked (and probably a bit disgusted!) to know what my normal "boy-friendly" diet consists of! :oops:

AMEN, sister, AMEN!!! LOL

[Zivic-Bubac]

Atomic, could you please check again my sway http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-boy-sway/7801-zivic-bubacs-boy-sway.html and point out where did I go wrong.

I was eating constantly in order to keep my sugar levels nice and even, lots of butter and full-fat yogurt ( saturated fat) and everything else boy friendly.

Was it my age that ruined my sway? Or the fact I didn't do enough weights during December when I conceived? Or is there something clearly wrong with my attempt but I can't see it? You know English is not my first language ( in fact, I use it mostly here lol) so I'm giving the best of me to get everything right.

Was it the fact that it took me over a year to conceive (declining fertility due to my age or God knows what?)
While I was perfect example of girl-friendly life style and was constantly semi-hungry, I conceived 3 times just like that.

Maybe I should have used PreSeed? :sad: Too late for that...I've read so many boy results from using real EW, so I stupidly thought it would work for me too.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic, could you please check again my sway http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-boy-sway/7801-zivic-bubacs-boy-sway.html and point out where did I go wrong.

I was eating constantly in order to keep my sugar levels nice and even, lots of butter and full-fat yogurt ( saturated fat) and everything else boy friendly.

Was it my age that ruined my sway? Or the fact I didn't do enough weights during December when I conceived? Or is there something clearly wrong with my attempt but I can't see it? You know English is not my first language ( in fact, I use it mostly here lol) so I'm giving the best of me to get everything right.

Was it the fact that it took me over a year to conceive (declining fertility due to my age or God knows what?)
While I was perfect example of girl-friendly life style and was constantly semi-hungry, I conceived 3 times just like that.

Maybe I should have used PreSeed? :sad: Too late for that...I've read so many boy results from using real EW, so I stupidly thought it would work for me too.

Z, you did NOTHING wrong! Swaying blue is HARD and luck has such a huge part to play in it that I think you can do everything exactly "right" and still get an opposite. :heart: I think it's totally possible that things that happened and that we were/are exposed to that can be swaying for us or DH that are totally out of our control.

I think there are some things about the blue sway that we don't have figured out just yet...I'm concerned about the sodium intake in particular and I of course prefer you guys to include calcium and use Preseed, but I don't think those things can make or break an otherwise good sway. In the end, you just got an unlucky break and I'm sorry for that. :( I wish I had all the answers.