SOY ISOFLAVONES - Your experience, whether you swayed for a Girl or a Boy:

[suregena]

I found this little survey of questions from another website and thought it might be useful for anyone considering them, and also to see results with them. Not sure how many people have tried them on here. It sort of ties into Atomic's essay on Super Soy for a Girl or Boy.

I've added a couple more questions to it to make it more relevant to this forum.

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Age:

Gender you were swaying for:

Gender specific tactics you used/supps/etc, i.e. for a girl antihistimine or boy sperm friendly lubricant, etc alongside soy isoflavones:

Cycle you conceived on/how long did you use soy isoflavones:

Days Soy Isoflavones were taken:

Dosage on those days:

Side effects:

DPO you got your BFP:

Did ovulation date change (if using opks or cbfm):

Gender resulted:

General overall experience/anything else you'd like to add:

[Ktiguewantspink]

Hi,
Im new here but i wanted to offer up my experience just in case it could be helpful to anyone.

Age: 29

Gender you were swaying for: i wasnt swaying, well at least i didnt know you could. I wanted to get pregnant with a girl but i had my DS2!

Gender specific tactics you used/supps/etc, i.e. for a girl antihistimine or boy sperm friendly lubricant, etc alongside soy isoflavones: I used typical blue sway stuff... mucinex, grapefruit juice, vitamin c, stopped vitex two weeks prior, 100 mg b6, prenatal, folic acid, robitussim, deep penetration missionary style. I did everything i had did with my firsy boy except clomid. I was not ovulating after getting off of birth control pills so i used clomid because i am an impatient women and didnt want to wait for my cycle to return. Same thing for ds2, I did nt get my post partum period yet so I took soy and i got pregnant first try again. Oh i also used a instead cup with ds2. I ate all boy too, oatmeal every morning, fruits and vegetables, whole grains , and meat. I worked out four to five times a week. I have always been thin. I weigh as much as i did in middle school but i think my diet is just very caloric. I many different foods due to working out so much.

Cycle you conceived on/how long did you use soy isoflavones: I used soy once and conceived first month.

Days Soy Isoflavones were taken:i took 80mg, days 3-7.

Dosage on those days:80mg

Side effects:
i dont remember having not like clomid anyway.
DPO you got your BFP:

Did ovulation date change (if using opks or cbfm): I dont know since it was my first month ovulating but it was cycle day 28. I had to take provera prior in order to take the soy.

Gender resulted:boy

General overall experience/anything else you'd like to add: I also wanted to add that we dtd days 5 and 5 days prior to ovulation and than on o-1 and o day. With my first son we dtd every other day because thats what the RE told me to do. Typical boy everything!

[LimeRikki]

Is this something that is over the counter? I've heard of it, but don't know exactly what it is.

[suregena]

Yes, it is. Typically an herbal and natural remedy to help with symptoms of menopause, but can act like clomid for ovulation when taken similarly (taken for 5 days at the beginning of the cycle, I.e. CD3-7, CD4-8, or CD5-9. You can take it CD1-5 or CD2-6 but while would develop more eggs, they may not be as mature.)

[atomic sagebrush]

Is this something that is over the counter? I've heard of it, but don't know exactly what it is.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/1881-super-soy-girl-boy.html

[hotdogz&boyz]

Since not many experiences were recorded in here, I'll add mine with my previous pregnancy...

Age:26

Gender you were swaying for: A really crappy and uneducated girl sway :)

Gender specific tactics you used/supps/etc, i.e. for a girl antihistimine or boy sperm friendly lubricant, etc alongside soy isoflavones: I modified my diet to include more fake sugars, I cut down on red meat, we used some ions. But it was NOTHING like what I learned in the later days. It was basically just a "eh, we can try these things." I was using soy because my cycles/ovulation was so screwed up from miscarrying four times in a row (undiagnosed blood clotting condition, since found and treated). Soy was the only thing that would have "swayed" blue, but other aspects were in boy territory too.

Cycle you conceived on/how long did you use soy isoflavones: I took them for five days total...cycle days 3-7. It was our first and only cycle using soy. I conceived right away (but also had an HSG procedure done that has been notorious for "clearing the way" for conception)

Days Soy Isoflavones were taken: Cycle days 3-7

Dosage on those days: 120mg

Side effects: It regulated ovulation that cycle. I ovulated right at day 15 and previously I had been all over the map. Could have been a coincidence. But I was grateful.

DPO you got your BFP: Faint one at 8DPO in the evening, faint one and digi one at 9DPO in the morning. Confirmed with betas at 9DPO as well.

Did ovulation date change (if using opks or cbfm): It changed for the better, yes.

Gender resulted: Little boy!

General overall experience/anything else you'd like to add:It certainly made me moody and gave me headaches. I vowed I was not going to take it again if we did not get preg that cycle. But it worked and baby stuck!!

[Atsaukina1]

any confirmed girl swayers use?

[Rainbow baby]

Awesome I did this on another forum, and got very few reply's! I had 5 say it helped O 4 say it did nothing and one who swayed boy got another girl.

[Atsaukina1]

took it this cycle 2-6 only on 9 now- will post here when prego:)

[meeks32]

Age:
25 (ds1) & 27 (ds2)

Gender you were swaying for:
Ds1: none, he was a pill baby! Ds2: very bad girl sway, shettles and calc/mag supplements

Gender specific tactics you used/supps/etc, i.e. for a girl antihistimine or boy sperm friendly lubricant, etc alongside soy isoflavones:
Ds1: centrum multivitamin
Ds2: pregnancy multivitamin, calc mag

Cycle you conceived on/how long did you use soy isoflavones:
Ds1: on pill!
Ds2: first O off pill
I drank soy daily from age 18 right through sway attempts due to lactose intolerance

Days Soy Isoflavones were taken:
didn't take isoflavones but drank LOTS of soy milk, like 1 litre each day when I add up soy on cereal, in tea, lattes and hot choc

Dosage on those days:
1L a day

Side effects:
None

DPO you got your BFP:
Day of missed period, so around 14dpo since I have a 34 day cycle

Did ovulation date change (if using opks or cbfm):
Wasn't tracking it so I don't know

Gender resulted:
boy & boy!

General overall experience/anything else you'd like to add:
I had a super boy friendly diet, but I do know my cm was more when I drank soy so I do believe it sways boy too.

[Atsaukina1]

saw someone on ig that used cd3-7 swayed an ig boy sway lots of supps got GIRL-

[Atsaukina1]

just got my bfp so adding my info hope it is helpful to someone:)

Age:34

Gender you were swaying for:girl
HAD A BOY
Gender specific tactics you used/supps/etc, i.e. for a girl antihistimine or boy sperm friendly lubricant, etc alongside soy isoflavones: benedryl(1hour bf bd) rephresh(every 3 days and 1 hour b4 bd)

Cycle you conceived on/how long did you use soy isoflavones: 1st cycle

Days Soy Isoflavones were taken:2-6

Dosage on those days: 120 but decided to only take 80 after 1st night

Side effects: [B]no negative ones but def. had strong noticeable O signs:) did not cause lots of ewcm but I was doing rephresh every 3 days after af so maybe that countered it. I usually do have very noticeable ewcm but not this time-

DPO you got your BFP: 9dpo

Did ovulation date change (if using opks or cbfm): 3 days earlier(could be from soy or because this was my 2nd ppaf cycle so sure not regular yet)
Gender resulted: will find out in 9m. unless I decide to get an ultrasound and find out gender early as I haven't w/ my 4. we shall see:)



General overall experience/anything else you'd like to add:

[atomic sagebrush]

thank you and congrats!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

saw someone on ig that used cd3-7 swayed an ig boy sway lots of supps got GIRL-

i think flava used them too and got a girl with a boy sway

[Charlee]

I took it CD 3-7 this cycle and am 1 DPO now so I'll post back when I get my BFP... I can say it definently exaggerated O symptoms for me. In fact I'm not sure I was ovulating every month since my miscarriage in May, but I know for SURE I did this month! Very little s/e also... I would highly recommend it to anyone TTC :)

Now I'm praying for a pink BFP :)

[Atsaukina1]

oh yeah I forgot about that need to change that in my "side effecs)". I have never felt O pains before or maybe I did and didn't notice but I def. noticed this time and on my left side( I know I know it doesn't matter lol)

[Charlee]

I felt them on my left side too! Interesting.... I hardly ever feel them on my left side either so I definitely contribute it to the soy. I was pleasantly surprised at the lack of side effects too.... I read about many ladies who weren't as lucky so I braced myself for it but skated out unscathed.... lol

[Atsaukina1]

yeah i was a lil scared too. one of the reasons i did 80 instead of 120 that and i hate swallowing pills lol

[Charlee]

Yeah mine are horse pills! Yuck! LOL

I took 124 mg a day because mine were 62 mg each... seemed pretty effective thus far! Well hopefully I'll get my bfp in a week so we can both be soy success stories :)

[Atsaukina1]

:fingers: :noaf:

[bambinolla]

Age:
27
Gender you were swaying for:
Had been swaying girl previous months

Gender specific tactics you used/supps/etc, i.e. for a girl antihistimine or boy sperm friendly lubricant, etc alongside soy isoflavones:
The month we conceived we had taken a break from hard core swaying to try and induce ovulation.
I was keeping to low cal diet and had lost weight that month.

Cycle you conceived on/how long did you use soy isoflavones:
I think 5 days

Days Soy Isoflavones were taken:
I think CD 5-9 I'll have to check. I know it was the latest of the recommended days as I had trouble sourcing it and finally got some in the nic of time

Dosage on those days:
I'll have to double check the dose...

Side effects: none. Took them at night.

DPO you got your BFP: around 10dpo

Did ovulation date change (if using opks or cbfm):
Didn't track it myself had bloods done by gp CD 21 I think it was and she said they were normal? I normally o late but hadn't been o'ing at all due to breastfeeding
Gender resulted:
Twin boys (identical so not the result of hyper ovulation)

[Lassie1982]

Age: 29

Gender you were swaying for: girl

Gender specific tactics you used/supps/etc, i.e. for a girl antihistimine or boy sperm friendly lubricant, etc alongside soy isoflavones:
Le diet, vegetarian

Cycle you conceived on/how long did you use soy isoflavones: 8th cycle TTC, 2nd soy cycle

Days Soy Isoflavones were taken: I'm pretty sure it was cd3-cd7/8

Dosage on those days: incremental, 100, 100, 150, 200

Side effects: headaches.

DPO you got your BFP: 13dpo

Did ovulation date change (if using opks or cbfm): no

Gender resulted: boy

General overall experience/anything else you'd like to add: I started soy in desperation to get pregnant. In hindsight I think the reason I hadn't fallen pregnant was due to my tilted uterus (I found this out in my bfp cycle) and we had always DTD missionary and the propped up with pillows.
As soon as we DTD from behind I fell pregnant.
I think soy contributed to me having a boy, I had dropped pretty much all sway aspects, except le diet, had plenty of ewcm, AND I'd strengthened by eggs with soy, I don't know why I ever thought for a moment that this baby could be a girl!

[meeks32]

Omg now I'm scared. If soy iso sways girl why is everyone having boys? Any girl results out there for soy iso?

[Lassie1982]

Omg now I'm scared. If soy iso sways girl why is everyone having boys? Any girl results out there for soy iso?

My understanding was that they swayed boy.
Vitex and clomid sway girl.
I took it in desperation to fall pregnant, I knew it was boy sway product but thought I'd take the gamble.

I'm only aware of one soy girl on this thread

[meeks32]

WHAT? Atomic says she believes they sway girl majorly, so I took them this month! Eeek. Will try vitex next month if I don't conceive. I had 2 boys drinking soy and did believe that swayed boy due to nutrients but atomic assures me soy iso is exactly like clomid and sways girl...

[Lassie1982]

WHAT? Atomic says she believes they sway girl majorly, so I took them this month! Eeek. Will try vitex next month if I don't conceive. I had 2 boys drinking soy and did believe that swayed boy due to nutrients but atomic assures me soy iso is exactly like clomid and sways girl...

Really?? I didn't know this, my understanding always was boy, it strengthens egg, increases fertility....

[meeks32]

I pm'd her about it specifically due to my past experience with soy milk, and he said she believes it sways girl with every fibre of her being. I have seen a lot of boys result from soy though! Eeeek too late now

[Violet_]

I know a lot of vegetarian, or vegan mums out there that drink lots of soy milk that have a lot of girls.

[Violet_]

Perhaps Soy effects different women in different ways. If it's causing lots of EWCM and other things that indicate fertility is improved then perhaps it sways blue in those cases and those particular women should stop if they wish to sway pink. I'd just watch for signs and try to listen to what your body is communicating to you.

[Lassie1982]

I pm'd her about it specifically due to my past experience with soy milk, and he said she believes it sways girl with every fibre of her being. I have seen a lot of boys result from soy though! Eeeek too late now

Atomic is the expert so if she believes it sways pink then it means she has done an absolute wealth of research, she wouldn't say that lightly. Ignore what I said, I obviously misunderstood somewhere along the line, sorry for the confusion :(

[meeks32]

Perhaps Soy effects different women in different ways. If it's causing lots of EWCM and other things that indicate fertility is improved then perhaps it sways blue in those cases and those particular women should stop if they wish to sway pink. I'd just watch for signs and try to listen to what your body is communicating to you.

True! And about vegetarian mums too (I've gone vego and LE diet, hoping that helps) I think I've done 4 months of hardcore LE diet and on month 5 , 1st using soy iso. No increased cm yet but I have noticed my temps have stabilised a lot. Am hoping my erratic cycle and short luteal phase are helped by the soy. I conceived ds1 on the pill and ds 2
First month off, so I see that soy milk and HE diet helped me conceive and sway boy before. Hoping soy iso is going to help me actually conceive, and the diet will help sway girl. But am a scared as I have looked elsewhere and soy iso seems to result in a lot of boys! No idea what the diet was for the other women though.

[strawberrymom]

I took soy iso last month and will not do it again. Not only did I have increased ewcm, but it raised my T too (swaying pink).

[meeks32]

I took soy iso last month and will not do it again. Not only did I have increased ewcm, but it raised my T too (swaying pink).

Interesting. How do you know it raised t? More hair?

Atomic says take Zertek if increased cm but I'm still super dry so far so good...

[meeks32]

Interesting stats for Soy Iso and Clomid in the GD sway spreadsheet: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl/18020-girl-sway-statistics-sheet-updated.html

[Atsaukina1]

where have you seen it sway bunch of boys? on this thread there are a couple girls and a couple boys:) also atomic said herself if you wanted to sway girl you had to take antihist. to dry up ewcm otherwise you would be swaying boy
it did not increase ewcm for me (i usually have a lot) whether it was diet,rephresh every 3 days, or what I don't know exactly but I didn't have any and I used benedryl hour b4 attempt on top of that jic lol. so if you are doing soy and swaying girl take something to dry up ewcm:)
if I have another boy then it was truly meant to be because everything was lined up pretty darn right lol

[Atsaukina1]

also drinking soy and taking soy iso 2 different things- so I don't count people that didn't actually take soy iso- I am also a veg(all my life) and have 3 boys:) I do not fake meat products though so only soy I eat is tofu sometimes and other reg. foods they love to sneak in soybean oil like crackers,chips ect.

[strawberrymom]

Interesting. How do you know it raised t? More hair?

Atomic says take Zertek if increased cm but I'm still super dry so far so good...

I became aggressive and had a acne increase and the soy was the only thing different at the time. I did take Benadryl and that worked on the ewcm.

[meeks32]

I became aggressive and had a acne increase and the soy was the only thing different at the time. I did take Benadryl and that worked on the ewcm.

Totally know those feelings of high t. Just wondering because sometimes I second guess everything as a sign of high t when in fact it's pms or me just reading into every dip and rise. ;-)

[meeks32]

where have you seen it sway bunch of boys? on this thread there are a couple girls and a couple boys:) also atomic said herself if you wanted to sway girl you had to take antihist. to dry up ewcm otherwise you would be swaying boy
it did not increase ewcm for me (i usually have a lot) whether it was diet,rephresh every 3 days, or what I don't know exactly but I didn't have any and I used benedryl hour b4 attempt on top of that jic lol. so if you are doing soy and swaying girl take something to dry up ewcm:)
if I have another boy then it was truly meant to be because everything was lined up pretty darn right lol

I won't link to the thread on another site because there was a lot of misinformation about soy and clomid there and I don't want anyone new to swaying stumbling on the wrong info (also why I don't really believe the results) and we don't know their diets going in so that's also a neg.

Atomic said I only need to take Zertek if it increases cm, which it hasn't yet. I think my body is pretty infertile after some serious hardcore le diet for a long time so one cycle on soy is probably needed. I'll keep an eye on it though and have Zertek here ready if needs be. I do take antihistamines regularly anyway so I'm not 100% sold on their ability to sway boy (since i took them almost daily with ds 1 and 2, but DID have he diet then) but I figure they can't hurt if I need them, just won't overdo it.

Congrats Atsaukina, are you finding out what you are having? When?

[atomic sagebrush]

Omg now I'm scared. If soy iso sways girl why is everyone having boys? Any girl results out there for soy iso?

They're not. There are plenty of blue swayers who took them and got girls.

[atomic sagebrush]

I could very well be totally wrong about any and all sway info that I suggest. :( All I can say about the soy iso is that looking at biology and the way the soy iso are supposed to work, they look to me like they should sway pink when used as a PART of an overall sway. I don't advise them as a standard supp because I do not feel like we have enough results with them yet. Since IG was so convinced they sway blue, no pink swayers were taking them and I always prefer that IG swayers take the risks of supps while we bide our time and see the results they get. But that was not possible with soy iso since only the blue swayers took them and they were doing so much to sway blue.

The problem that I think may be happening is that people are using them as kind of a last ditch method, they've given up everything else and are in a big hurry to get pg. I would like to see what happened in a set of people who did a good diet, abstain/FR + 1 attempt, and antihistamine and what the results would be then.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic is the expert so if she believes it sways pink then it means she has done an absolute wealth of research, she wouldn't say that lightly. Ignore what I said, I obviously misunderstood somewhere along the line, sorry for the confusion :(

No, not at all. I hope everyone always remembers that I can be wrong at any point (and probably am wrong on several points!)

The reason I think soy sways pink is because soy lowers testosterone (there is conflicting info on this as well BTW). IG thinks soy sways blue because it has these things called "phytoestrogens" in it which are similar chemically to our body's estrogen (and IG says estrogen sways blue, which may or may not be true.) But, the issue with phytoestrogen is that it is NOT the same as actual estrogen, one study showed that phytoestrogens are only 1/10,000 as effective as real estrogen, and it can actually interfere with your body's production and use of real estrogen by competing with real estrogen for estrogen receptors and also "tricking" your body into relaxing production of estrogen because it thinks it has enough. So it may be that soy can both lower testoterone and effectively lower estrogen, which would then free up more raw materials to make progesterone (which may sway pink or be totally neutral).

The interplay of testosterone, estrogen, and progesterone is SO unbelievably complicated that not even the smartest researcher on the planet has much of a clue about how it all works. So when I say I believe soy iso sway pink, this is just my best guess based on the best info that I can get my mitts on.

If you do take soy iso, I would take an antihistamine just in case it makes more CM for you.

[Lassie1982]

The problem that I think may be happening is that people are using them as kind of a last ditch method, they've given up everything else and are in a big hurry to get pg. I would like to see what happened in a set of people who did a good diet, abstain/FR + 1 attempt, and antihistamine and what the results would be then.

That's what I did! I started them in desperation thinking that I needed a fertility booster, which in hindsight I realise I didn't need at all......but hey, that's good old hindsight for you :)

[Lassie1982]

No, not at all. I hope everyone always remembers that I can be wrong at any point (and probably am wrong on several points!)



Of course you can, BUT generally speaking though, I certainly take your word as being the soundest of sound advice as I know that you don't give an opinions lightly and that when you do it's becauseitnis founded with hours of research.

I can't remember how or why exactly I came to the assumption that soy sways blue, it may have been the IG threads that led me to think that, I think primarily it was the fact that I saw soy as a fertility booster, and anything that's a booster is generally blue swaying.

I know there have been soy girls, wish I had been one of them LOL! Not sure if I will take them next time, but by then we may have even more info available.......or atomic might have created that magic pill :)

[Atsaukina1]

meeks- i have never had ultrasound or found out w/ my other 4 so it is def. a struggle whther i am going to this time or not since it is the 1st time i have swayed. if i do it wouldn't be until after 20 weeks:)

[meeks32]

meeks- i have never had ultrasound or found out w/ my other 4 so it is def. a struggle whther i am going to this time or not since it is the 1st time i have swayed. if i do it wouldn't be until after 20 weeks:)

That's admirable! I think personally since I am swaying I have too much invested in the idea of a girl, I need to find out the gender at a scan so that any disappointment I may feel, has time to settle and I can get positive and bond with my boy prior to a hormonal and tiring birth! Plus with names I'd have time to think. Also if it is a girl, I would have 20 weeks to shop!!!!! (Dangerous!!)

[meeks32]

I could very well be totally wrong about any and all sway info that I suggest. :( All I can say about the soy iso is that looking at biology and the way the soy iso are supposed to work, they look to me like they should sway pink when used as a PART of an overall sway. I don't advise them as a standard supp because I do not feel like we have enough results with them yet. Since IG was so convinced they sway blue, no pink swayers were taking them and I always prefer that IG swayers take the risks of supps while we bide our time and see the results they get. But that was not possible with soy iso since only the blue swayers took them and they were doing so much to sway blue.

The problem that I think may be happening is that people are using them as kind of a last ditch method, they've given up everything else and are in a big hurry to get pg. I would like to see what happened in a set of people who did a good diet, abstain/FR + 1 attempt, and antihistamine and what the results would be then.

Thank you as always you set my mind at ease (and many others). I do agree with the soy iso being a last ditch method for many, and also that many blue IG swayers used them, that's likely screwing any stats I find. There is a word doc on these forums with 100% girl success rate for soy but there are only two soy swayers on it so not enough to judge!!

[wannagirl21]

No, not at all. I hope everyone always remembers that I can be wrong at any point (and probably am wrong on several points!)

The reason I think soy sways pink is because soy lowers testosterone (there is conflicting info on this as well BTW). IG thinks soy sways blue because it has these things called "phytoestrogens" in it which are similar chemically to our body's estrogen (and IG says estrogen sways blue, which may or may not be true.) But, the issue with phytoestrogen is that it is NOT the same as actual estrogen, one study showed that phytoestrogens are only 1/10,000 as effective as real estrogen, and it can actually interfere with your body's production and use of real estrogen by competing with real estrogen for estrogen receptors and also "tricking" your body into relaxing production of estrogen because it thinks it has enough. So it may be that soy can both lower testoterone and effectively lower estrogen, which would then free up more raw materials to make progesterone (which may sway pink or be totally neutral).

The interplay of testosterone, estrogen, and progesterone is SO unbelievably complicated that not even the smartest researcher on the planet has much of a clue about how it all works. So when I say I believe soy iso sway pink, this is just my best guess based on the best info that I can get my mitts on.

If you do take soy iso, I would take an antihistamine just in case it makes more CM for you.




Sorry to chime in late but can you do Vitex SP and Soy iso together for a sway? I saw a sway just recent she was taking vitex and then went to soy iso and she got a girl. Just curious if that would be okay or what your thoughts would be on that.?

[rainbowflower]

Sorry to chime in late but can you do Vitex SP and Soy iso together for a sway? I saw a sway just recent she was taking vitex and then went to soy iso and she got a girl. Just curious if that would be okay or what your thoughts would be on that.?

I think the sway you're thinking of took vitex right up until AF, then switched to soy... but didn't take both in the same cycle

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry to chime in late but can you do Vitex SP and Soy iso together for a sway? I saw a sway just recent she was taking vitex and then went to soy iso and she got a girl. Just curious if that would be okay or what your thoughts would be on that.?

Yes, I've seen that happen a couple times too where someone was doing Vitex, either 2 w on 2w off OR nonstop for several weeks prior to swaying, then STOP the V and then start the soy the following month.

You shouldn't take V, SP, and soy together in the same month, but you can do V/SP for a few months and then stop them and start the soy.

[wannagirl21]

Yes, I've seen that happen a couple times too where someone was doing Vitex, either 2 w on 2w off OR nonstop for several weeks prior to swaying, then STOP the V and then start the soy the following month.

You shouldn't take V, SP, and soy together in the same month, but you can do V/SP for a few months and then stop them and start the soy.



what where some of their results.? If you know.

[atomic sagebrush]

these are just people who've spoken to me about it along the way, sways are posted on here and IG but I have no idea where to find them, I'm sorry

[Lassie1982]

Yes, I've seen that happen a couple times too where someone was doing Vitex, either 2 w on 2w off OR nonstop for several weeks prior to swaying, then STOP the V and then start the soy the following month.

You shouldn't take V, SP, and soy together in the same month, but you can do V/SP for a few months and then stop them and start the soy.

I did this.
I took vitex from AF-O for 6 months.
Then in the 7th month I took no vitex, but took soy cd 3-8.
Same again in 8th month, my bfp month

[rainbowflower]

plenty of blue swayers on here got pink: http://www.in-gender.com/cs/forums/t/181023.aspx?PageIndex=1