Girl diet with no dairy - is it possible ?

[Mum23boys]

Its not that I cant I just dont like it ~!! I hate yoghurts, I hate milk. I hate all types of eggs except well cooked omlettes and I am not a great lover of cheese though this is the one thing i could tolerate if i had to oh and i can tolerate milkshakes madee with that crusha stuff and normal fridge milk not the thick ready bought milkshakes !!
Do i really need to eat dairy to get a girl ? Im guessing this hate might explain my 3 sons ?!? ha ha
Christine, married to James been together 11 years - Mummy to 3 gorgeous Boys ( July 04,Sept 06,July 09) thinking of TTC number 4 2012

[atomic sagebrush]

NO you don't need dairy to conceive a girl. Some of us are "dairy queens" and have tons of boys and one study found moms who conceived boys had a higher cal-mag intake than moms who conceived girls did! Here's the case against calcium (this is three parts, be sure to read all three, the links are in the first essay)http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/610-calcium-conundrum-controversial.html

I got my girl with both DH and I eating the absolute least amount of dairy we've ever eaten in our lives by far. This was after a failed IG sway where I was taking a lot of cal-mag and Vit. D!

[auroara78]

I ate the most diary ever when I made my two boys, courtesy of lots of milkshakes, two bowls of cereal a day! (talk about a fortified diet! haha!) and just when I was hungry but didn't feel like 'eating', I'd pour myself a huge glass of milk and try to use that to soothe me.

So when I went to IG and read about how huge diary consumption was supposed to sway girl, and I had always loved, loved milk and drank gallons of it and had two boys it made me go :think:

my mom hates milk and avoids it like the plague and had 3 girls 1 boy. So it really didn't add up.

I did still drink milk during my sway (non fat and low fat) just because I could not live without it, not because i thought it was so great for my sway, and it worried me because I had the idea that I should do everything opposite of what I did to concieve my boys (that is also a very bad idea! You don't need to do everything opposite of before!)

There are no magic foods. Eating a banana will not make a boy. Drinking/not drinking milk will not break anyone's sway. The most important thing to keep in mind is to follow the LE diet guidelines of cals, fat, etc etc, and as long as your food fits into that, it should be OK, and you will def. lose some weight on the LE diet. And I still believe the process of losing some weight (it doesn't have to be a lot) will sway a lot harder than only eating "certain" foods.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, I forgot to mention that not only that with my girl I was hardly eating any, with my boys I was eating TONS of dairy.

My mom also rarely eats dairy and has 2 g (and lost another girl) and 1 b to show for it.

[Mum23boys]

I just dont get this le diet thing as im thin anyway and dont eat more than about 1500 cals a day. I was anorexic with my 1st son and very thin and hardly ate anything with my second - with my third i was dieting and never snacked .... so im thinking the le maybe isnt for me ? Maybe my natural ph or supps is the best thing to try for me ?

[bigchrista]

mum23boys- I'm like you (I have 4 boys and have lost one at 9wks gest)...VERY thin and take in the same amount of calories. somedays I'm doing good to get 1200 cal. Remember every woman is different and what works for one may not work for another. I've been more focused on PH. I have changed my diet some and have noticed a difference in my CM. Make sure to do your reading on supps Atomic as educated me sooo much on the this subject, I'm so greatful for!!

I think focusing on PH is the way to go

[nestof3]

I love all things milk and have 2 boys. I wouldn't worry at all about a girl sway with no dairy.

[atomic sagebrush]

I just dont get this le diet thing as im thin anyway and dont eat more than about 1500 cals a day. I was anorexic with my 1st son and very thin and hardly ate anything with my second - with my third i was dieting and never snacked .... so im thinking the le maybe isnt for me ? Maybe my natural ph or supps is the best thing to try for me ?

People who have recovered from eating disorders have proportionally more boys (we have found this to be true observationally and also have a study that seems to indicate it to be true.) The reasons for this are twofold - firstly because many times people who are recovering from eating disorders, their bodies will ALWAYS interpret their condition as improving simply because they were so depleted before. Secondly, it may be that women who are prone to eating disorders to begin with have higher T levels and are highly driven and motivated in all walks of life and controlling their eating very carefully, is another arena that they can succeed at.

What I would focus on first and foremost is lowering your T levels through supps and making sure your CM is dried up, plus, making sure your husband has lower sperm count. I do not think pH sways in the ways that it is said to and you can read more about that here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

[spinningmadly]

I was anorexic about 10 years ago and now (have 2 boys as well) and I can TELL my body responds differently to food than it used to. I still lose quickly if I eat less. But whenever I start to up my diet a little bit I gain it back. It's hard to explain but I can just tell..
Weird with the driven thing. I know for myself, we had a stressful week and I wanted to just cheat and give up but I just *couldn't*, I think I am too competitive with myself and don't want to *fail*

[spinningmadly]

oh I did mean to ask.. how much dairy is considered a lot per day...?

[harleyquinn]

Ok first of all, people that are thin and were actively losing weight and conceived a boy, CANNOT say..oh this didn't work for me so I will focus on something else. ALL the studies out there, Trivers-Willard and multiple other studies do not put the sex ratio at 0-100 when times are scarce..it is not 100%, just what it is a trend across the board...TRENDS and statistics that BALANCE out at 100%. It is not black and white.

Even if you conceived 4 sons while actively losing weight, it does not discount that a a diminished maternal condition, produces more girls. Its a fact that many studies have been able to back up.

However, people with eating disorders in their past history SCARE me while trying to sway. You know why, and I know why, if you are one of them. Please be careful. It has NOTHING to do at all with testosterone, it has to do with it will do with your head and its not good to be looking at food that way again. There is no such thing as a bad food. REpeat it like a mantra and if you feel yourself slipping, eat some food and get back your equilibrium because once that is GONE, its all over. There is a way to do this, without being sick.

[Mum23boys]

This seems to make complete sense !! How can I lower my T levels and how doi know what they are now and if what i do actually lowers them ?? Im guessing lowering hubbys sperm count is through FR and lots of hot baths ? Anything else ?
Thank u so so much

[atomic sagebrush]

oh I did mean to ask.. how much dairy is considered a lot per day...?

As long as you are keeping under your cals/protein/fat limits for the day, that's all that counts. The diet itself sets the limits on it, you don't have to worry about whether you're drinking one glass or 3 ****s of cheese. Dairy has a lot of protein and sodium as well, for not a ton of cals, so if you include it, you have to be careful that you don't err too much on the side of lower calories. If you go over on protein and have only eaten 500 cals, some people then starve themselves the rest of the day to avoid protein but that is not safe or sane. Most people should get 1500-1800 and no one should ever drop below 1200 cals a day.

[atomic sagebrush]

This seems to make complete sense !! How can I lower my T levels and how doi know what they are now and if what i do actually lowers them ?? Im guessing lowering hubbys sperm count is through FR and lots of hot baths ? Anything else ?
Thank u so so much

The supps such as vitex and saw palmetto will help lower your testosterone FOR you and you don't even have to worry about your diet whatsoever. Plus, antihistamines to dry up CM will help as well.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok first of all, people that are thin and were actively losing weight and conceived a boy, CANNOT say..oh this didn't work for me so I will focus on something else. ALL the studies out there, Trivers-Willard and multiple other studies do not put the sex ratio at 0-100 when times are scarce..it is not 100%, just what it is a trend across the board...TRENDS and statistics that BALANCE out at 100%. It is not black and white.

Even if you conceived 4 sons while actively losing weight, it does not discount that a a diminished maternal condition, produces more girls. Its a fact that many studies have been able to back up.

However, people with eating disorders in their past history SCARE me while trying to sway. You know why, and I know why, if you are one of them. Please be careful. It has NOTHING to do at all with testosterone, it has to do with it will do with your head and its not good to be looking at food that way again. There is no such thing as a bad food. REpeat it like a mantra and if you feel yourself slipping, eat some food and get back your equilibrium because once that is GONE, its all over. There is a way to do this, without being sick.

:agree: 100% well said. I would prefer if people recovering from eating disorders did not do diet at all. If you are already low in BMI and eat relatively few calories (like, not 3000 LOL) you don't even NEED to worry about diet at all. That part is already taken care of. Just go with everything else.

[Mum23boys]

Thank u - when do i take antihistamines through my cycle ?

[spinningmadly]

:agree: 100% well said. I would prefer if people recovering from eating disorders did not do diet at all. If you are already low in BMI and eat relatively few calories (like, not 3000 LOL) you don't even NEED to worry about diet at all. That part is already taken care of. Just go with everything else.

yeah , In all honesty, I'm having a hard time not obsessing over the control part of eating again.. the counting and such brings me back to my eating disorder days, I know its not as effective but I was thinking of just watching what foods I eat(like avoid meat and avocados) , without obsessively counting, knowing when I keep dairy skim or reduced fat I don't go over the limits anyway with my normal eating habits.

[auroara78]

spinningmadly, I agree....in your case I'd do a lite version of the diet, as far avoiding really heatlhy and fatty foods (like salmon, avacodos, red meat, olive oil), etc, and just focus on that....without getting too obessive about counting cals etc. While I did stay within diet limits, I refused to obsess over every calorie or what not, if I had a cheat meal, I did not even fret or worry about it. I was very calm about it all, and I think that really, really helps more than getting upset over ever little morsel.

And harleyquinn, very very well said...that was amazing!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank u - when do i take antihistamines through my cycle ?

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/518-using-antihistamines-help-ttc-girl.html

[atomic sagebrush]

yeah , In all honesty, I'm having a hard time not obsessing over the control part of eating again.. the counting and such brings me back to my eating disorder days, I know its not as effective but I was thinking of just watching what foods I eat(like avoid meat and avocados) , without obsessively counting, knowing when I keep dairy skim or reduced fat I don't go over the limits anyway with my normal eating habits.

That's perfect. :agree: