PCOS and TTC girl in November <3

[xHopeFaithLove]

I was diagnosed with PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome) May 11,2012. I have no symptoms of it what so ever, except I don’t ovulate. I’m 24, 5’2” and 112 pounds; I don’t suffer from acne, excessive hair growth or any other symptom so it came to a complete surprise to me. My fiancé is 28, we’re getting married in September (its coming so fast!!) I’ve always had irregular, excruciating periods. I’ve bled so much that I get dizzy and pass out (I found out that is from a Vitamin K deficiency) My doctor has me on Ortho Tri-Cyclen Lo until October, he said if we don’t get pregnant by January to come in and he’ll prescribe Clomid. I know I should just dream of having a healthy baby, regardless the gender but my fiancé is dreaming of pink and so am I. A little background of his family, he’s 1 of 5 boys. His Mom finally gave up after the 5 th boy. His Dad has 1 sister and 1 brother. Both of his brothers who have kids, have had boys. I keep reading that it is possible but I want to better my chances. I know that if I can get pregnant, I’ll be happy with whichever gender my little bundle is but we’d really like to have a girl. My fiancé is willing to participate in whatever he has to do to raise our chances as well. He is so supportive of the dream of pink!

Has anyone here successfully swayed pink with PCOS?

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome! Here are some threads that will help you.


http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1865-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-1-blood-sugar-issues.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/1191-clomid.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/7997-swaying-clomid-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-2-a.html

[xHopeFaithLove]

thank you :) I've read numerous things about trying to conceive a girl, it seems never ending!

[atomic sagebrush]

It seems overwhelming at first but then it will just fall into place. please don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have.

[xHopeFaithLove]

I have a notebook I'm writing questions in... I'm debating on doing the personalized plan but trying to save right now :) I am officially addicted to this place!

[fresas]

Good luck with conceiving! I have PCOS and am hoping to sway for a girl. You are so lucky you are not really symptomatic, but I hope you can find something that works for you so you are regular and pain free. :)

[xHopeFaithLove]

Good luck to you as well. I'm new with ALL of this... PCOS and swaying. What are your swaying plans?

[xHopeFaithLove]

okay I thought I would start some questions in my original thread then going on and on in the Clomid thread. I've read that BCPs sway girl and then when and if I get on Clomid that sways girl as well. I could have sworn I seen somewhere that it said when you're on Clomid with PCOS to not really do other swaying techniques. PCOS came to me as a complete surprise, I was reading about swaying before I was diagnosed. I know I shouldn't be selfish and sway but I feel like I need a girl so to speak. Here's how I found out with PCOS. I went for a consultation to meet my new doctor (who I LOVE) we talked about how excruciating my periods have been, painful, losing more blood than normal... he had me get a lot of blood tests done and had me retake them at a different time in my cycle. Blood tests came back "very consistant with PCOS" so then we did an u/s. I seen all of my follicles 3 days after my period had ended and they were all so big. I am now starting my second month of Ortho Tri-Cyclen Lo. I'm quitting it in October. I go back to the doctor August 6th for my annual and to talk more about the PCOS. My main question is, since I don't have all of the other symptoms of PCOS, could my sway be easier? What should my diet be like? I starting tracking calories today... did terrible :( also, I have NO idea when I ovulate! I will do anything to understand PCOS better and help our way. I'm really debating on doing the personal sway but paying for the wedding and the up and coming mortgage, I'm just trying to gather some information before I spend the money. This is also my way to cope, I love reading the sucess stories on here :)

Thanks for the help in advance... I'm sure more questions will come up as I read more. :hugs:

[atomic sagebrush]

1)Yep, coming off BCP are believed to sway pink by shrinking the cervical crypts that make EWCM. Less EWCM = higher chance of a girl.

2)Clomid does sway pink too and you can read about that here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/1191-clomid.html and here is how to tweak your sway if you are prescribed Clomid. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/7997-swaying-clomid-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-2-a.html

3) There are actually a lot of sway tactics you can use while you have PCOS - Vitex, Saw Palmetto, baby aspirin, jellies, anithistamine, diet, etc The Clomid is really the complicating factor because you can't

4)You do have to tweak the diet just a bit when you have PCOS. I'm working on a thread about diet with PCOS specifically but haven't had time to finish it unfortunately. The main difference is that you need to avoid empty cals like sugary snacks, increase protein slightly to 50-60 g, and limit your grain intake to 2-3 servings a day of whole grains.

[xHopeFaithLove]

excited for that thread. I'm trying really hard to watch what I'm eating and what I'm drinking... I'm just scared I'll sway too much or too little. Is it even worth it since my fiancé comes from a family of ALL boys?

back to more reading :)

[fresas]

I love your avatar. Plumeria is one of my favorite flowers.

I have been keeping a running thread in the "review my sway" section. It's turned into more of a journal and experimenting log than anything else. I had a miscarriage in March which was the result of a practice sway (not intending to sway, but testing everything else) and since then, my husband and I have been very, very cautious about avoiding pregnancy and we're both scared to really sway or try to conceive again.

I'm doing a lot of things that aren't very girl sway friendly (working out, on a fruit/veg/protein shake diet, no carbs minus fruit, etc) because these things seem to help my testosterone to stay lower, but I'm still very symptomatic of PCOS: weight loss resistance, hirsutism, oily skin, acne, etc.

I'm taking all girl friendly supplements though because they help with PCOS. I'm also experimenting with some things that haven't totally been tired here.

I'm basically in the search to balance both testosterone and estrogen. Too much testosterone damages egg quality and estrogen can too, but one of its biggest impact is on progesterone. If there is too much or too little estrogen, progesterone levels usually aren't very good, especially not enough to sustain a pregnancy. One of my main symptoms of being progesterone deficient is soaking night sweats after ovulation, usually 7-9 days before my period starts.

Anyway, if your doctor doesn't put you on metformin at some point, I would be surprised, especially if s/he knows you will be trying to conceive and your cycles are irregular.

The thing that helped me return to normal cycles is a combination of metformin and Vitex. I was on that for the longest time before I introduced saw palmetto.

About your boys in the family question, I don't think an all boys or all girls family means the same will happen for the next generation, but if I were you, I would definitely do everything I could to have a healthy pregnancy and conceive that girl. :)

[xHopeFaithLove]

So sorry about your miscarriage :(
Thank you for that. I just wish I understood my PCOS more. I don't have those symptoms. Only symptom is the irregular cycles. I go back on August 6th so I have some time to come up with questions. Will they prescribe Metformin if my blood sugar is normal?

I'm on my phone, I'm terrible with touch screen! Be back on in the morning :)

Plumerias are beautiful. My favorite as well... my dream bouquet has them and daisies... weird I know but not a fan of roses so I like different arrangements

[atomic sagebrush]

excited for that thread. I'm trying really hard to watch what I'm eating and what I'm drinking... I'm just scared I'll sway too much or too little. Is it even worth it since my fiancé comes from a family of ALL boys?

back to more reading :)

Yes, it's worth it because no one is predestined to have all of one gender by virtue of genetics. You have kids of a particular gender because your body sizes up cues in your environment and "decides" which gender has the best shot of surviving to pass down your genes to future generations. When the environment changes, your body may "decide" that a different gender has a better shot at survival. A person who couldn't alter gender ratio would be at a HUGE disadvantage to those who could, and so it's extremely likely that we all carry the genes to alter gender ratio based on cues from our environment and not some genetic setting. A gene pool that could only produce boys would have died out a long time ago, the first time Genghis Khan or his primate equivalent, came to town and killed off all the males (which sadly has happened a zillion times over the ages).

Plus, what the man brings to the table, while it can make a difference, simply can't be that important because in nature, it's the female who has to carry a baby, nurse a baby, and then raise a child. Males can do a "hit and run" and then never be seen again. Since the child will share the mother's environment and not the father's, it's the signals that your body received that matter, not what your husband contributes to the equation.

[fresas]

It depends on your doctor, to be honest. I have mild symptoms of insulin resistance, but not enough to be very obvious/serious for metformin. It was in combination with everything else (irregular periods, heavy periods, and all the other terrible symptoms I have) that I was given metformin. It can be prescribed just based on your symptoms alone, especially if your blood tests are consistent with PCOS, even if you don't have any of the other symptoms that go along with PCOS. Metformin usually encourages fertility and also encourages egg health.

Thank you for the condolences. It still isn't easy, but I'm learning to cope with the emptiness. My hCG was really high right away (894 at around 13 dpo - I thought it was 1000, but got my blood work recently and it was 894) so I was hoping the spotting was just something else, but alas. It wasn't meant to be. The progesterone level never went above 4, and it needs to be 10 or higher to sustain pregnancy.

If I could give any advice to girls with PCOS, regardless of swaying, it would be to try to balance your testosterone levels as much as you can before you TTC. If your testosterone is balanced, most likely the estrogen will follow. Even if your testosterone is normal-ish, your androgen activity is still messing up your cycles so tame that (or tame it as much as possible) and hopefully your body will be ready to create healthier eggs and a healthy uterine environment.

[atomic sagebrush]

Great advice! Also, since progesterone is made of the same raw materials as T and E are, if you keep your body from going overboard making T and E, then it may decide to start making more progesterone instead! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and my friend was given Metformin to improve her egg quality, and she did not even have insulin resistance or PCOS, she just gained a lot of weight while doing IVF drugs and the doctors were concerned because her egg quality was really low even tho she was only 29. The cycle after she started the Metformin, she got pg with her daughter!!

[xHopeFaithLove]

I just had a long post typed then BAM, computer decided to delete it without auto saving!:mad:

thanks for those replies, I've been MIA the past couple days with getting my house back in order.. I have 2 huskies and 3 rescue kitties with my foster kit's on their way... they were all keeping me busy this weekend! oh, and the wedding :wink:

When I go to the doctor on August 6th, I'll be sure to ask him my specific levels of all of that.
"Also, since progesterone is made of the same raw materials as T and E are, if you keep your body from going overboard making T and E, then it may decide to start making more progesterone instead! "
@Atomic, how do I do that? Sorry I'm so clueless.

I'll definetely ask about the Metformin. Would that be better than Clomid? Is there home tests I can check my testosterone, progesterone and estrogen?

I'll be back later :) Hope all of you had a wonderful weekend!

[xHopeFaithLove]

Here are the tests I've had done.. I should be able to get a print out of the results from the doctor right? I'm going to call in the morning...

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easier to take pictures than type all the out and screw it up :o

[xHopeFaithLove]

My Doctor is sending over the results of the tests now so I'll post them tonight :)

[xHopeFaithLove]

Here are the results... if someone could help me understand them a little more. thanks :)

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[atomic sagebrush]

I just had a long post typed then BAM, computer decided to delete it without auto saving!:mad:

thanks for those replies, I've been MIA the past couple days with getting my house back in order.. I have 2 huskies and 3 rescue kitties with my foster kit's on their way... they were all keeping me busy this weekend! oh, and the wedding :wink:

When I go to the doctor on August 6th, I'll be sure to ask him my specific levels of all of that.
"Also, since progesterone is made of the same raw materials as T and E are, if you keep your body from going overboard making T and E, then it may decide to start making more progesterone instead! "
@Atomic, how do I do that? Sorry I'm so clueless.

I'll definetely ask about the Metformin. Would that be better than Clomid? Is there home tests I can check my testosterone, progesterone and estrogen?

I'll be back later :) Hope all of you had a wonderful weekend!

The herbs and medications can help with that. The vitex, saw palmetto, in addition to Metformin, Clomid, and a drug called spirolactone which can help lower your T levels but is not safe while TTC. Also, if you lower your blood sugar a bit through diet, lower blood sugar can help slow down the Testosterone Train and free up the fats and cholesterol your body makes and gets from diet, to make prog.

Metformin and Clomid can be given together so you may end up getting both.

There are home tests you can take but they're not very reliable, it's best to go through your doctor.

[xHopeFaithLove]

Thanks again... I'm going to work on my diet plan tomorrow. I've been watching what I eat as well as waiting as long as possible to eat and not eating til I'm full. I did forget about my pill 3 days in a row and had a spontaneous BD yesterday. Oh well... whatever happens, I just have to deal. No big O though.

[xHopeFaithLove]

Any help with reading my test results? I go back August 6th but wondering if I could get some knowledge here so I ask him better questions :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not sure I'm qualified to read/interpret them but I'm hoping some of the other PCOS ladies will be able to help.

[xHopeFaithLove]

Wow I finally was able to get back on. I need to add my sway but we have our girl!! She's 11 months old and the light of our lives. Going to be swaying for next baby as well (pink again) thanks for this group!

[atomic sagebrush]

Wow great update! Huge congrats to you and yes yes please share your sway!! Much appreciated and huge congrats!

[The Anchor]

Wow! CONGRATS on your DAUGHTER!!!