The Exercise Enigma - both genders

[atomic sagebrush]

Don't add the cals burned to your diet. Just aim at the LE Diet limits and let your weight loss be your guide. If you lose, eat more, if you gain or hold steady with weight to spare, dial it back.

The reason for this actually helps me to answer the other part of your question. For reasons we don't understand, we believe that focusing overly upon details (like numbers and goals and doing equations to figure out exactly how much you burned/ate) may sway strongly blue. I can ~almost~ but not quite spot the people whose sways are not going to succeed because they're super consumed with graphs and charts and tracking every nuance of their pH and CM and 9 month swaying schedules and stuff like that. SO, I want you to take your Fitbit and put it on the shelf for now. I don't want you to know how far you went I don't want you to know how many calories you burned, and I really, really, really do not want you to be monitoring your heart rate every second. What you are doing is FINE. All it needs to do is go for 60 minutes. Walking is fine, part or all of the time.

[Happy Mom]

Thats perfect! I actually only wore my Fitbit one day to see what I was doing and making sure that it was a type of workout that was more pink.

But now that I know to just let my weight loss be my guide then it makes working out way more fun because I'm actually enjoying the break from my weights and watching more Netflix lol!

So do you recommend tracking calories? I have been the last week to see if I was within limits. But do you think once i get a good idea of what types of things and how much to eat I can drop this too?

Thanks for the quick response!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes as long as you're not prone to cutting back more and more over time, that's fine. Exactly what I did.

The main reason I have people track is that they don't eat enough. So if you're sure you're avoiding that pitfall it's all good.

[plasticserenity]

I could have written your post Happy Mom! I too have been using the treadmill most days for at least 60 mins (with other exercise on other days). I too have my fitbit, I keep track of my calories burned, heart rate, distance. I'm a bit more extreme in the data and control side of things though.

I'm a bit worried that I'm going to ruin my sway this way. I'm doing okay with veggie LE diet, doing good with exercise. I think overall I'm doing pretty well at living a girl-friendly lifestyle so far!

But man... I just love data so much. I have had a spreadsheet tracking my weight and calories every day since the end of 2012, and I've been using My Fitness Pal for years. I have graphs upon graphs of everything, so with starting swaying it has just come naturally to me to gather data and graph everything to do with that too! Whatever exercise I'm doing I get a kick out of checking my heart rate rise (and seeing how it's coming down quicker after exercise as I get fitter!) and I'm having so much fun seeing how my BBT and CM magically tells me what my body is doing, I honestly love it.

I know how boy-friendly it is to have this level of control, but honestly it's kind of just who I am (I even have an "I <3 Spreadsheets" mug sat on my desk at work!). How much of an effect do the results show this way of life to have on a girl sway?

I think my question is - do the results (and your experience, atomic!) show enough of an impact that I should have a go at leaving all my tracking behind for a while?

I think... I could TRY to let go of all of this stuff, but I suspect even if I stopped updating my spreadsheets the desire (and attitude!) would still be there! So maybe I just need to take this hit and accept that my sway might not be perfect as a result (hell maybe LE diet, exercise and one attempt are better swayers than being a blue-mum-data-lover anyway)?

But I can always give it a go, who knows, it might be good for me :)

Thanks for any input <3

[Throwaway_panther]

I agree with atomic that, once you get a good idea where you are with portions/calories/exercise, dropping excessive tracking is s good move.

But just as the hopeful added relaxed factor to you girl swayers -- I was insane before conceiving DD, but I DID get a girl. I weighed and measured everything, wore a FitBit, would freak out if I didn't hit at least 300 minutes of exercise a week, etc. I literally measured every part of my body every week and had graphs for every part. I had calipers to measure my body fat every week, and I eould triple check my measurements. Every thing that entered my body I obsessed over.

Now... DON'T do any of this lol. I was relapsing into my ED, and it's a pretty miserable way to live.
But I am as obsessive as they come (my obsessive drive to lose weight is now obsessive tendencies with hitting protein for HE, helping my DD hit her milestones, planning her birthday party 3 months in advance, planning my dreamed of son's nursery... you get the picture), and if you've seen ANY of my posts on here, I'm as Martha as they come.

Lol, so don't be like me, but know if I got a DD despite doing all that (but following a very LE lifestyle), you can too. So relax! ;)

[Throwaway_panther]

I could have written your post Happy Mom! I too have been using the treadmill most days for at least 60 mins (with other exercise on other days). I too have my fitbit, I keep track of my calories burned, heart rate, distance. I'm a bit more extreme in the data and control side of things though.

I'm a bit worried that I'm going to ruin my sway this way. I'm doing okay with veggie LE diet, doing good with exercise. I think overall I'm doing pretty well at living a girl-friendly lifestyle so far!

But man... I just love data so much. I have had a spreadsheet tracking my weight and calories every day since the end of 2012, and I've been using My Fitness Pal for years. I have graphs upon graphs of everything, so with starting swaying it has just come naturally to me to gather data and graph everything to do with that too! Whatever exercise I'm doing I get a kick out of checking my heart rate rise (and seeing how it's coming down quicker after exercise as I get fitter!) and I'm having so much fun seeing how my BBT and CM magically tells me what my body is doing, I honestly love it.

I know how boy-friendly it is to have this level of control, but honestly it's kind of just who I am (I even have an "I <3 Spreadsheets" mug sat on my desk at work!). How much of an effect do the results show this way of life to have on a girl sway?

I think my question is - do the results (and your experience, atomic!) show enough of an impact that I should have a go at leaving all my tracking behind for a while?

I think... I could TRY to let go of all of this stuff, but I suspect even if I stopped updating my spreadsheets the desire (and attitude!) would still be there! So maybe I just need to take this hit and accept that my sway might not be perfect as a result (hell maybe LE diet, exercise and one attempt are better swayers than being a blue-mum-data-lover anyway)?

But I can always give it a go, who knows, it might be good for me :)

Thanks for any input <3

You could swap my name out for yours and we'd be the same person. Between my DH being the consummate man's man and me a Martha, I'm starting to think we should be the face of how the LE diet works lol. If it was only personality or testosterone or something, we'd be rolling in boys!

[atomic sagebrush]

You could swap my name out for yours and we'd be the same person. Between my DH being the consummate man's man and me a Martha, I'm starting to think we should be the face of how the LE diet works lol. If it was only personality or testosterone or something, we'd be rolling in boys!

:agree: exactly, but do keep in mind that there are other people who have had the exact opposite experience too - ate an LE Diet and then still got boys anyway and because again and again they have been the ones who would be making the 12 month sway schedules, sending me 2 page long letters 3 times a week, etc I can't help but believe there is something to both angles.

Best approach is to do diet and then not allow yourself to get sucked into the "color coded chart" approach that was so endemic on Ingender. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Plastic, you know that good feeling you get when you see your heart rate rise (or check off items on your to do list, fill in your spreadsheet, make a graph? Or if you're me, when you alphebetize your DVDs and have all the good kinds of soup arranged neatly on my shelves in descending order of use) We talk about "testosterone" but I don't think it's really testosterone per se, I think it's THAT feeling. so YES I do think you need to drop that stuff.

Swaying pink feels like jumping into the deep end without a flotation device and you only know how to dog paddle. You WANT to give up those things that are basically just rituals you perform for your own peace of mind. It's really hard to do, but you don't necessarily want to stay in your comfort zone here. The only reason not to stop what you're doing is if you get that same happy feeling from stopping monitoring that you were getting from monitoring LOL if that makes sense.

I can't quantify how much it sways. It's all too amorphous and individual to track but I do know that it's more often the people who were really super controlling about every detail that gets sway opposites. I think it's worth the effort to try to switch things up in that deparment.

As Panther points out, this is NOT a dealbreaker. Trust me, if I got a girl, anyone can do it. I don't mention it to discourage anyone or make them feel their sway won't work, but to help you avoid a really common pitfall that may undermine you. I would try. imagine you're jumping into that water and it feels scary but after the first couple times it gets easier and pretty soon you realize "oh wow ok I can actually float." :)

[XXforhubby]

^^^This was me swaying the second time around. I couldn't believe that, "I could actually float", but I did!

I was such a hot mess during my first sway. I have them both posted in the TTC Girl Add Your Sway section. You can see a CLEAR night and day difference between my two sways. It's kind of funny- It took me 11mo to conceive this time around compared to 8mo the last time.

You can do this! It feels so foreign, so strange, trust me! FX and GL to you!!


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[Happy Mom]

Thanks ladies for all of your advice.

So, my plan is to keep tracking my calories and protein for a little while longer. Still trying to get the LE diet understood.. but honestly, I'm not sure about you ladies, but I'm finding it way easier then I expected! (Is that normal? Lol) but I will eventually drop the tracking too in a few months, as long as I don't start loosing too much weight because I do tend to loose weight fairly quickly.

But since I've dropped the worry about am I running enough or walking too much, heart rate and calories etc. I have been enjoying my runs so so so much more! The 60-70 mins fly because I just watch tv.. something that I actually want to watch! Thank you for that advice atomic.. probably the best thing you could have told me to do! I think I'll accomplish the 6-7 days a week with much less dread now. I am actually finding it therapeutic! [emoji1]


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[plasticserenity]

You ladies are awesome! I can't tell you how good it feels to know that there are other people in the same boat as me. It really is a huge relief to know that it is not a complete dealbreaker and there has still been success stories!

But you know what, I'm gonna give it a go! In for a penny in for a pound right? If I'm gonna try swaying I might as well give it all my best shot!

I've been tracking food and calories for long enough that I should in theory be able to eat intuitively to lose weight and let my loss be my guide. And a clock is enough to tell me what 60 minutes of exercise looks like.

I'm actually scared haha! Who would have thought that letting go of graphs and tracking would be the hardest part of my sway over dieting and exercise :D

Time to see if I can float too. Thank you all so much for the supportive words! xxx

[XXforhubby]

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[Happy Mom]

Good luck plastic serenity !!! Hopefully we can both keep our charting to a minimal!
Try dropping one thing at a time! Since I've dropped Checking my workouts, I've enjoyed them a lot more! So maybe calories and all the other girl sway stuff will be that way too!!! [emoji6]


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[Scurlys]

Well, it's all maybes. Sorry, I know it sucks, but it's the truth. :/ I just don't have the info to tell you because unless I'd been able to run experiments with lots of different people doing lots of different things, I'd just be making it up.

A lot of people did Zumba or other dancy-type things like that. They have some dancy workouts on Youtube, Blogilates has some that are more dance ones and less musclebuilding.

If you get an elliptical and set it on lowest setting so you aren't building muscle.

I think that's fine, I can't say about what is "best" since I just don't have the data to say.


Thank you. Sorry for so late response. I actually had my son a little over a month ago and when he's a year old I'll start my sway. My plan is to buy an elliptical and just use it on the lowest setting. Having a toddler and a one year old at home I think doing DVDs all the time would be difficult to fit in so this way I can run, walk and elliptical and if I can find a Zumba DVD add that in.

[atomic sagebrush]

Congrats on your new little guy!! Lots of people use the elliptical if you like it, that's great. :)

[Prayingforagirl67]

Question, with being over weight (trying to lose 50 lbs) and walking for about an hour 4-5 days a week, should this be increased to 6 times a week? I've been in this routine of walking like this for the last few months (sometimes more walking and sometimes less (Day wise) but always an hour. Should I be increasing? Ttc in november(pink sway)

Also would like to add that I've lost 20 lbs or so since April (not sure if that will do much for my sway being that it was quite a while ago, even though I still plan on losing more weight.)

As far as muscle goes, I've never been really muscular, so I'm not sure how much muscle I actually have to lose! ��

[atomic sagebrush]

If you can, but when people have more than 35ish lbs to lose I like you guys to do exercise even if only moderate. So if you can do more, great, but do not try to do more than you can handle at the expense of risking what you are already doing, which will be great for your sway since the benefits to weight loss and blood sugar control are so major even if you never get up to the full on 60 6-7 recommendation.

Don't worry about how much muscle you're losing, it doesn't matter, it doesn't need to be quantified. Just keep doing what you're doing, you're on the right track!

[Prayingforagirl67]

Thank you for the info, the only reason I'm not doing the 6-7 times a week is just because of lack of time. I think once summer is over I should be able to get to 6-7 times a day.
Weight is coming off at a steady rate so I'm hoping
I don't end up plateauing around the time we are ttc, does that affect a pink sway negatively?
A lot of people that I know (who have girls) lost a significant amount of weight before they conceived. Or they were dieting when they conceived so I don't doubt that weight loss is a big sway factor.

Thank you for all of your help!

[Nowmarriedgirl]

Why is tracking things more boy sway? Wouldn't it help either sway you were trying for - so you know what your body is doing etc to get the best sway possible?

[Prayingforagirl67]

I'd definitely like to know this as well, I've been keeping track of everything as well on my fitness pal to make sure I'm keeping to my limitations.

[atomic sagebrush]

We have found trying to time weight loss to be a) totally ineffective and b) really stressful and with the capability of messing up people's sways.

This actually happened to me! With my 4th boy I was so sure that actively losing weight would sway hugely pink that I tried to take a month off and regained weight to relose, only to get pregnant the month I was regaining weight! And this has happened to several people. Additionally, when you've lost and then regained weight, your body can see this as "improved condition" and that may sway even MORE blue. Please just lose what you can, when you can, if you can, and hold steady instead of losing too much. We get by far best results that way.

[atomic sagebrush]

Why is tracking things more boy sway? Wouldn't it help either sway you were trying for - so you know what your body is doing etc to get the best sway possible?

NO, no no no no no nonononononononono......!!!!!!!

It is the SINGLE WORST thing you can do for your sway. Instead of doing this, please eat beef ;) you will harm your sway far less.

For reasons we do not know, being super consumed with details and factoids and tracking things and analyzing data and that kind of hamster wheel brain that happens when you treat your sway like this project with bar graphs you must monitor constantly, sways blue HUGELY. More than eating the occasional hamburger, this is the #1 killer of otherwise good sways. So I do not want you guys tracking anything that it is not strictly necessary to track because I want you to avoid this pitfall.

We do not know HOW to have the best sway possible. People can know and track every detail of their body's functioning (and trust me when I say, many have tried) but we don't even KNOW what those numbers should even BE. So you drive yourself round the bend and to another boy tracking all these things for NO REASON since we have no baseline as to what we are even aiming at (and that baseline almost certainly would vary by individual anyway).

[atomic sagebrush]

I'd definitely like to know this as well, I've been keeping track of everything as well on my fitness pal to make sure I'm keeping to my limitations.

The only things you need to track are calories, protein, fat - and this is to make sure you get ENOUGH, not to guard against overeating. And your weight and again this is to be sure you don't lose too much.

Optional- potassium loosely to be sure you're getting enough, sodium if you MUST (and virtually all of us have given this up and our results have only gone up since)

That is IT. I don't want you guys tracking your CM or pH or mineral intake or blood sugar or heartrate while exercising or % of fat to muscle or anything along those lines. Ditch that stuff because none of it works and it only drives you cray in exactly the right way to wreck a sway that would have otherwise worked if not for the "control freakishness".

[Prayingforagirl67]

So good to know! The only thing I've been tracking is my calories and fat/ protein intake and how much I walk during the day. Those are the only things I've been focusing on. It's just kind of became a habit (I've been tracking to lose weight long before the thought of pregnancy came up) I've stoped tracking my sodium intake. The only thing I've been focusing on is losing weight. I'm trying not to obsess over this sway.

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: That's good! You want to put it on autopilot and leave it there, barely even thinking about it!

[FinalPinkWish]

Hi Atomic,
I've been losing weight for about a year now mostly with diet tracking, counting calories. Last few months I've started seeing a personal trainer and changed my diet to high protein, low carb and low fat diet. Along with 30 mins of weights, 1-2 hours or cardio per week. I've been losing weight slowly and have continued to lose with the change in diet. I'm just becoming more toned now. So my question is. As I'm still losing weight do I really need to change to a low protein diet for a girl sway? If so, how long would you recommend being on the low protein diet before TTC? TIA :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Losing weight has unfortunately not been as predictive as we'd like it to be. So yes I do think you should change your diet. Even if you don't get as low in protein as some do, it really does seem to help just to reduce it overall.

[Prayingforagirl67]

That's what I'm trying to keep doing! Also, I was wondering, I read your post about regaining weight and then conceiving, and that your body takes weight gain as an improved condition. Last year I had lost a lot of weight, 75 lbs, then after some stressful events I had gained about 45 back from about March '16 to January'17, after that point I started to slowly lose, and my weight fluctuates a bit up until recently where I have been steadily losing or maintaining (for about a month and a half). Would that weight gain or the fluctuating of my weight be an issue for my sway? Or is that far off enough to not effect it at all?

[atomic sagebrush]

If anything, the losing and gaining and then losing again may even be better for a sway. I will say that after my "failed" sway that yielded DS 4, I gained a HUGE amount of weight when I was pregnant with him (seriously, like 70 lbs and then I stopped counting with 3 weeks to go :hair:) and then lost it all again. I found that the second time through, I was a lot less muscle and a lot more mush than I had been when I got pregnant with him. So it very well may only help. :)

[Prayingforagirl67]

I'm really hoping I'm on the right track! It seems like I am but I don't want to over think it all! I was heavy when I conceived my son (I had a very by the book boy sway without noticing!!) then gained more weight while I was pregnant. Lost a lot of the weight from my pregnancy and then some. Gained 45 back and am now steadily losing (but it feels like it's going super slow!)I'm definitely not muscular in the slightest, am also very mushy Lol here's to hoping I'm doing this right! I don't want to get into the swing of a sway and be doing something wrong out of ignorance!
Again thank you for all of your feedback!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[Prayingforagirl67]

Thank you so much:)

[Ammue]

Hi Atomic,

I am swaying blue from next cycle, shall i continue weight lifting or walking during 2ww?

[Lucky#4]

Atomic,

Is it important to keep the level and resistance on cardio machines low/moderate when swaying pink? I don't really work out at a high intensity (i.e. my pace is pretty slow), but I typically have our home elliptical set up to the max for both level and intensdity, so I wanted to check. TIA

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Atomic,

I am swaying blue from next cycle, shall i continue weight lifting or walking during 2ww?

Yes! As long as you're not doing something like Olympic weightlifting it is fine and safe to continue exercise even into early pregnancy

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic,

Is it important to keep the level and resistance on cardio machines low/moderate when swaying pink? I don't really work out at a high intensity (i.e. my pace is pretty slow), but I typically have our home elliptical set up to the max for both level and intensdity, so I wanted to check. TIA

We generally try to avoid muscle building exercise, but as long as you're losing weight on a lower protein diet, it's impossible to build muscle. Since you're used to it anyway, I'd probably just continue with that - but be sure you are not gaining weight on a boy-friendly diet when you are doing that!

[JJ66]

Hi Atomic!

Personal question for my situation: If I'm super disciplined, I could increase my normal 30-minute a day jogs to an hour a day. Doing the LE/PCOS diet, at 18.5 BMI and 98 LBS: do you think doubling my workout time will be okay - if we're aiming for me to not lose any more weight? I still have at least six weeks on the diet.

Things to consider:
Running is my stress relief - the endorphins, staying fit - all of that gives me a "I'm winning at life!" feeling. And it's hardwired in my brain because I've been doing it daily for 10+ years. It gives me a sense of normalcy/control. Not sure how that plays into all this.

I'm also kinda boy shaped - no hips, petite, toned. I've had quads since I was like 4. I build muscle easily. The thing that nags at me is that I'm 99.9% sure MORE running will mean more muscle. I'm trying to up my protein to get my ovulation on track, etc. And thinking more protein = more running = winning at life will be back to my boy lifestyle.

Doing the no workout, or just long walks (something to decrease muscle mass) would really throw my body into a "what's happening, is this the apocalypse?" state of mind.

Annnnnd: Thinking about your last pink sway and how you said you were mushy. Crystal ball question: Knowing what you know, would it better for me, personally, to be mushy, if I can do it without gaining weight?

[atomic sagebrush]

People with PCOS need to do exercise even if you can't get up to the 60 minutes. So it may be best for you to just keep doing what you're doing because the benefits to blood sugar control are so huge they outweigh any risks of building muscle.

You literally cannot build muscle without a LOT of food and some weight gain. Besides, "muscle building" is just a theory, while we know for a fact that exercise WORKS because our results have shown that it does. Based on our results I strongly urge everyone to include exercise in their sway even if you have to eat somewhat more cals to do it.

I really really REALLY must insist that you continue exercise. DO NOT do couch potato. If you can exercise more without losing weight (and you will need to up calories, very likely, to manage this), then do. But no matter what continue the exercise you're already doing.

Me being mushy was just an observation. Again, we know exercise works because we've seen it work so well for so long. Don't let my theories and mushiness LOL keep you from doing what has actually WORKED. I see it time and again where people get so hung up on speculation and guesswork that they don't even do the things that have worked for people.

Do what works. Don't worry about the whys and wherefores because none of us have any idea how swaying works anyway.

[Jessirberger]

Hi atomic! I'm jumping on the girl sway bandwagon kind of suddenly. I'm hoping to be put on Clomid next week. AF due in 1 or 2 wks, then TTC. I'm starting LE diet now. I'm a sporadic exerciser but willing to do intense 60/5-7 for a sway. But is it too late to begin that??

Thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

We started off worrying that there might be a "too late" but over time exercise has proven itself so effective we now just encourage everyone to do exercise and don't worry about any of that. Totally fine and then if you don't end up pregnant the first month you'll have enough time on it by the second to benefit your sway.

[Desi]

Hi Atomic,

Great info, thanks! I’m just a bit confused as to how I can influence the gender by adjusting my hormonal levels. I understand that e.g. acidity has a direct impact on sperm. But my hormonal levels don’t have much impact on what sperm reaches the egg first right (as the sperm determines the gender)? So how does it influence the gender?

Thanks in advance!!

We have a beautiful baby boy and will start ttc for a girl soon :)

[atomic sagebrush]

We don't know how it works. If we did, we could have it all figured out. But all we have are a lot of theories most of which are in direct contradiction with each other.

My guess is that somehow, the sperm get a signal from your body and one gender stays dormant and the other gender "wakes up" and goes to fertilize the egg. But that's just a guess, we dont' know for sure.

[Desi]

Thanks for the quick reply!


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[soontobemama]

Do I need to follow these or does my husband also? We have a son and will be swaying pink, he works out 4-5 times a week doing moderate weight lifting and training. I do more body weight or cardio. I can’t imagine getting him to stop working out so I’m wondering if I just do this and follow a specific diet will that be enough?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Just you.

For hubby, jogging and biking have been shown in studies to sway pink, but many men do lift weights and still get girls.

Exercise and diet are two of the four best tactics there are. A sway based on those two things is GREAT!! I can't ever say if anything is enough, of course.

[soontobemama]

Thank you! I need to read into what I should be doing I terms of exercise. Right now I do body weight stuff and some cardio, not sure how to alter that. I’m told diet is to affect your PH level? I have strips to test PH but they test urine and I thought they should be testing CM?


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[atomic sagebrush]

I would drop the body weight and focus more on cardio.

No, diet is not to affect pH. It is actually pretty nonsensical the claims they make about pH. https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html We believe the reason why diet sways has to do with a gentle decline in overall condition (hormones and blood sugar) as per the Trivers Willard Hypothesis. (this is a pretty technical essay but has a scientific explanation about what is likely swaying https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/12340-understanding-trivers-willard-hypothesis.html)

You use the same ph strips to test CM if you want to but the fact is that we have had so many pH opposites it is absolutely impossible that it could possibly be telling us anything. I got a boy with pH of 4.5-5 range that never went up till I was already pregnant and got my girl without even bothering to test pH. I have the full case against pH here: https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

[Chocolatina]

I hope it’s OK to “wake up” this thread instead of just opening a new one. I was wondering if for a girl sway a brisk 60 min walk equals 60 mins on the elliptical (which I have at home and will be using for the exercise part of my pink sway). Currently I have very long daily walks with my 1 year old DS2 - 3-4 hours a day, 1 h walk per each direction that are pretty tiring. I could not do both the walks, and 60 mins on the elliptical so I was wondering do I need to chose or both options-1. Reduce walking with the stroller and have 60 mins home cardio & 2. Continue with the long intensive walks and skip home cardio - are equally helpful to the sway. Maybe I can do both- when I haven’t had a good walk just jump on the elliptical? I want to opt for the most recommended version and will do whatever will increase my chances :) I don’t have much weight to spare, current BMI 20.4, lost around 4 pounds after about 2 weeks of LE dieting.
One more thing- atomic, in one of your previous posts you mention there are 4 things that work best for a pink sway- cardio, LE, I believe the third one is one attempt on first positive OPK and what is the fourth? Thank you for your time!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes absolutely, and I actually prefer that as it keeps our threads chock full of goodness rather than people having to open and shut a hundred different threads to find everything out!

Just do the walk. Walking is actually my preference so you guys don't get injured or burned out. And sure, if you don't walk one day and want to use the elliptical, that's great.

No more weight loss, just stay where you're at. Once you're below BMI 21 I want you to stay where you're at and just do the basic macros of diet, eating more if you need to to keep weight on.

The other thing is Clomid or Femara if you can get them.

[Chocolatina]

Phew, thank God ;) and here I was imagining myself half dead after 4 hours outside and 60 min elliptical. I can’t even imagine when I could find 1 full hour for cardio at home at the moment. Maybe during autumn and winter I will have to, though. We are going to start TTC in November so I may want to opt for the elliptical about a month prior to the first attempt, just to be on the safe side. I don’t like it very much and prefer a treadmill but whatever I have available that would be it. Thanks so much :)

[atomic sagebrush]

No we do not want you to kill yourself for the sway! That level of intense self-control required would probably sway blue from control freakishness anyway.

[Chocolatina]

Yeah, the control freakishness will be a challenge for me, because it really drives me mad when something is out of my control. My friend- the only one I’ve shared my sway intention with- says I am doing exactly this- by swaying I attempt to have everything under control. Which is exactly what it is, right? How do I let the control while swaying when swaying itself is a control attempt? There must be a full thread about it...isn’t there? Anyway, I wandered something else- if I am strict on the exercise, LE and 1 attempt, are these three things combined less effective than taking Clomid (only Clomid, no other tactics)?

[atomic sagebrush]

There's a big difference between "doing your part" and then understanding it's still in the hands of fate/God, versus trying to control every detail, every morsel of food, every second of every day, and imagining that only if you did it absolutely perfect you will "earn" a girl.

Like they say, "the Lord helps those who help themselves". We have swaying reduced to doing just the minimum amount of things that actually work, and we let go of all those things that DON'T work, and in that way we reduce the controlling elements to the minimum amount necessary. Then we let the rest of it go and chalk it up to being out of our control. And that's getting good results! trust me, all of us with all boys have this issue, we're all control freaks and yet we do get good results with swaying.

[atomic sagebrush]

oh and as for the Clomid, studies indicate it sways about 3-5%. Diet, exercise, and one attempt seem MORE effective than that. I cannot say the exact percentage as I don't have any studies on those things to compare.

[Chocolatina]

Thanks so much, DS1 was conceived on a very girl friendly environment (didn’t know about swaying then), DS2 was a sway opposite (did not follow the most effective sway tactics, though)- if that doesn’t teach me to loosen up a little bit I din’t know what will :)

[Dreamingofmygirl]

Dears,

I am currently pregnant with my second boy and thinking on swaying for the next in order to get a girl. I am a total control freak also :)

Regarding exercise I have many doubts. With my first I was training for running a half marathon and in fact I got pregnant when I completed it as I got a positive OPK the day I run it. I had lost weight while training but not that much but my usually regular cycles where all over the place. It took me a lot of time to get pregnant so I don’t know if it was the running or the stress.

With my second I was into the sweat app, very committed to one of the strength programs and it was way more easier to get pregnant (it took like 3/4 cycles).

So I get the feeling that, I should become a couch potato if I finally decide to try again. Crazy cardio swayed blue and obv strength swayed blue, so kind of doing the opposite. Do you agree?

I have so much more questions but I will try to ask each on the correct forum :)

Thanks a lot,

[atomic sagebrush]

Our couch potato method got way, way, way worse results than exercise. I can't in good conscience EVER recommend couch potato except for people who literally cannot exercise.

The crazy cardio is NOT what swayed blue for you. You got a boy not because of the cardio, but in spite of it. The solution here is NOT to "do the opposite", but to do WHAT WORKS. It would be silly to skip over a highly effective pink sway tactic in order to "do the opposite" when it likely had nothing to do with why you got a boy. Imagine it like this - let's say for the sake of argument when you conceived you actually were like 80% likely to have a boy naturally (I'm just making up easy to understand numbers here) and then thru the cardio, you got to only 60% likely to have a boy. That is still a HUGE pink sway, even though you might have still been more likely to have a boy, or gotten to 50-50. Or even if you ended up 60% likely to have a girl, you could have fallen into that 40% opposite range!

It would be downright crazy to skip out on something that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt, one of the few things we know for sure sways pink, that's been consistent all along since the very beginning of the site, to "do the opposite". Swaying NEVER comes down to one thing like that, ever, and especially not exercise.

[Dreamingofmygirl]

Thanks a lot Atomic. I will then include running in the plan.


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[LMSM]

We ALL are tho. That's the thing about all this. Almost to a one, the boy moms are control-freaks and perfectionists, it's not that we like stress, but it's that we inadvertently create stress for ourselves by trying to get everything to this unattainable level that we feel will make everythign "ok" - like, getting our heart rate to a perfect zone for a pink sway, KWIM??? - and it is very difficult to acknowledge that there are things out of our control.

But despite this, we are still getting girls. So it isn't hopeless!!!

Very old post but to give hope to you pink swayers...I am the epitome of control-freak perfectionist and yet, I only have had girls...4, in fact!
The exercise and diet will help you heaps ! (and WTH did I get girls? likely overwhelmingly my diet and exercise - more so cardio)

[Mochi]

Hello!

Apologies if this has been asked before…

How much cycling does a hubby need to do to sway pink? My hubby is a keen cyclist (weird Lycra outfits and all) so will certainly be happier to add in more if his not yet doing enough! He tends to do just one long cycle a week at the moment, and back forth to the office a couple of times.

[atomic sagebrush]

There's no right or wrong answer with this. We've seen good luck with all different levels of cycling and it may be something that is different to each individual. Too much can really cut odds of conception, and that's already what a lot of people are doing and having success with it, so my inclination would be to just have him keep doing what he's comfy with. It's been awhile since you conceived, so even if he was biking about the same amount then, you may have a totally different result in terms of sperm health and sway this time thru.

[Mochi]

Okay thanks Atomic! He’s definitely doing more than he was when we had our boy so perhaps that’s enough anyway ☺️ Either way he’ll be pleased I’m sure haha!

[atomic sagebrush]

Okay thanks Atomic! He’s definitely doing more than he was when we had our boy so perhaps that’s enough anyway ☺️ Either way he’ll be pleased I’m sure haha!

:agree: if he's doing more than he was when you (or anyone) got your boy(s) then I'd just roll with that. We find that the more we ask husbands to do for the sway - especially when they're only marginally on board with TTC anyway - they start to balk. In this case, there's every chance he's already doing enough!