Advice please, clomid or not???

[Ktiguewantspink]

Okay girls,

I am swaying for a girl and I just got Af so onto the third month. I felt a little torn but than I received two psychic readings that keeping tell me I will conceive in November and it will be a girl so although I know it's for fun it gives me hope. I have been on the LE diet for over three months and I ovulate late so I know I have to be on this for a while longer. And I don't mind except I can't seem to keep the weight on and I am now nearing a bmi of 15.5. I'm still ovulating but I can tell my body is close to giving up. I don't want to lose my sway and I have considered doing clomid next month. I was given a script for conception of my second son but never got a chance to use it. I know it's a bad idea to use it but I figure I was given it before for an lp issue at the time and I feel the circumstances now are no different. I know this will help my sway but what if I get twins? I can't handle twins. I guess this is my answer but I need reassurance and advice. I am starting to think that I should just continue the diet adding in calories and even gaining a pound or two and just get that egg to the sperm. I was seriously considering clomid but all of a sudden everyone is having twins and that's scared me to death. Any suggestions? Oh and last month I didn't use Zyrtec, I was way too dry and didnt use Rephresh. I did one attempt at 0-1 and used spermicide six hours beforehand. My husband is not swaying at all so no frequent releasing or anything and no LR. We are just dtd at positive opk and it was in boy frequency last month. I don't want to miss the egg and ovulating dramatically different each month makes girl frequency so hard. Do what does anyone think? I need some advice please? I am bit desperate and so scared that I may stop ovulating soon. Thanks.

[atomic sagebrush]

If your BMI is 15.5 you need to STOP SWAYING IMMEDIATELY. Drop the diet NOW and get some weight back on you and if it means eating 8 Big Macs a day, DO IT.

ANYONE who has a BMI beneath 18.5 needs to drop all sway tactics and just get pg. No antihistamine, no RepHresh, and certainly no spermicide.

I do not want you to start Clomid at this point because I don't want you to get pg until I feel like you are at a healthy weight. You should never use Clomid unless you're ok with twins anyway.

[Ktiguewantspink]

Okay okay lol. I am going to stop losing weight. Believe me I'm trying atomic, it's like no matter how many calories I add its never enough. I look sickly and I hate it. I guess I'll try and gain some and hope and pray I can ovulate next month. I have always been small so I be always ranged between 16 and 17 so this is a big deal but not huge for me. I'm just getting worried about the weight I can't seem to keep on. It makes me wonder if there are other health issues involved sometimes. Either way thanks for the reply, I feel like my mother is yelling at me and that always gives me a push in the right direction.

[LacePrincess]

I really REALLY hope you actually believe what you are posting! How many calories are you eating daily? Because we have seen a few posts along these lines on this board. You're not the only one that's said 'I can't gain no matter how much I eat' and then we hear that that person is eating, like, oh, 800 calories a day. And sorry, I don't buy for a second that your body can't keep weight on, it's eating disorder thinking that's got you trapped and terrified of eating normally. And it doesn't matter if you don't want to eat, if eating makes you ill, if you have no appetite, because you've starved it so badly that you're in famine mode and you will destroy your health *permanently*. Think liver failure, kidney failure, HEART failure, osteoporosis. These things do not go away.

Atomic is absolutely RIGHT, you need to mainline sugar and butter if that's what it takes but get back to normal weight ASAP. If you can't see that 15.5bmi is critically dangerous right NOW you have an eating disorder. Full stop. Btw you'd better hope you're body ISN'T incapable of being at normal BMI because if that was true you have cancer or something else seriously wrong.

Being small is NO excuse for being so critically underweight. I am 5 feet tall, 110lbs, and to maintain - yes MAINTAIN, not gain - I eat 2200-2500 calories. That makes my BMI 21.5. I started the LE diet at 1800-2000 and had to up my calories and fat because I lost enough to stop ovulating, and my BMI is six points higher than yours! So I'd be shocked if you were ovulating normally at 15.5. And I AM small - my measurements are chest = 31.5", waist = 23", hips = 31". This isn't to show off, this is to show you how small does NOT excuse eating disorder behaviour. Just out of curiosity I fiddled with the bmi calculator, and for my height 15.5bmi would be weighing 80lbs. Holy frack I'd be dead at that weight.

Also you don't need to stop losing weight, you need to GAIN weight to get out of the danger zone! If that sounds scary, you really need to get help because that is not okay.

[AMY]

I really think it is easy to develop an eating disorder when you follow the diet that strict beeing already underweight. I started loosing weight two month ago and realized that my entire thinking was just to avoid food. BMI 15,5 is really low.

[Ktiguewantspink]

Thanks it's okay I double checked my bmi is more like 16.9 so I'm a bit below my normal range. I have lost only a pound in over five weeks but I just hate that's it's still coming off. Either way I ovulated at this weight over two weeks ago do as long as I maintain I'm sure ill be fine in continuing swaying. I ll keep increasing my fat a bit and add a but more calories to help the scale and continue on. I think I'll just do the vitex and peppermint tea this month without spermicide and Zyrtec. I'll probably just do two attempts and see what happens. I feel good about this month so I appreciate everyone's help! Trust me there's no eating disorder here, I've always been super tiny and I have always maintainedy weight. I have never done a diet before so losing weight so quickly came as a shock to me. Thanks everyone . I think clomid is out this month, but may reconsider next month.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh good, you almost gave me a heart attack. Sorry I don't mean to sound like your mom yelling at you but I want everyone to stay healthy above all else. If you can't get pg, you have no chance at your desired gender anyway.

A pound for a thin person is like 5-10 for a heavier person, so even if it's just the pound coming off then you need to add some cals in. Do you like pop?? Drink 3 a day, that always has worked for me keeping my weight on when breastfeeding.

IF you are losing weight with no explanation, then you should see a doctor because it can indicate other problems going on.

[Ktiguewantspink]

I feel bad now that I wrote down the wrong bmi, seriously it was a typo. I'm not saying that my bmi isn't low but it's been this low ever since I hit puberty. I'm fine, seriously. I really was just questioning the clomid. If I had an eating disorder than I wouldn't be swaying. I'm A mother of two boys , three and under and would never put my health at a risk in that way. I started out at 17.1 before swaying so as you can see i haven't lost that much but trying to figure out calories that work is not working for me. I am at 2,000 calories according the fitness pal and the weight is not moving really. It's just A matter of I hate adding when my goal was to swsy for a girl on this diet. I think you can understand that. I'm fine and thanks for the concern everyone. I'm just A pink swayer who started out at a much lower bmi than most people. It's not my fault, it's genetics!!

[Ktiguewantspink]

Sorry as, while I have you here though quick question, last month I stopped saw palmetto and dropped vitex for the month since my periods were light ( I was on vitex for almost six months). Now this month my period seems back to normal so is adding it back a good idea? I will do the peppermint tea but I wasn't quite sure about the vitex? My goal this month is to just just try and get preggers!! No jump and dump and maybe even add more attempts. I want to get pregnant quick because I feel that this may be my lady month on a strict LE diet. Thanks and sorry for worrying you!

[LacePrincess]

Well, 16.9 is still too low. If you are at low end of normal or underweight you should NOT be losing weight, period. Especially if you recognize that you look sickly and feel like crap. It's still LE diet (and diet =/= losing weight, it just means a methodology of eating!) if you gain a bit of weight to get healthy by eating LE friendly foods! In other words, ice cream, treats, white carbs, full fat dairy.

It's not only ovulation that's an issue at too low a weight, but also a threat to the health of the baby if you do get pregnant. It's far better to be TOO heavy than too light when pregnant as far as the health of the fetus is concerned. I still think you need to gain weight until you're at LEAST at 18.5bmi.

[Ktiguewantspink]

I agree in a way but I've never weighed that much ever! I got pregnant with both my boys at 17.2 or 17.3 and they both were very healthy. I think some people are just genetically this way so gaining that much is kind out of the question. I fear that would take forever and its backwards for me since I've never weighed that much before. I fear it's boy territory all the way for me. Seriously I do appreciate the concern but I've always been super skinny and I truly believe the weight loss is muscle more than anything. I used to go the gym everyday and I haven't gone in over four months. Thanks again for your concern!!! Good luck and I hope we all get our dream genders!

[atomic sagebrush]

I feel bad now that I wrote down the wrong bmi, seriously it was a typo. I'm not saying that my bmi isn't low but it's been this low ever since I hit puberty. I'm fine, seriously. I really was just questioning the clomid. If I had an eating disorder than I wouldn't be swaying. I'm A mother of two boys , three and under and would never put my health at a risk in that way. I started out at 17.1 before swaying so as you can see i haven't lost that much but trying to figure out calories that work is not working for me. I am at 2,000 calories according the fitness pal and the weight is not moving really. It's just A matter of I hate adding when my goal was to swsy for a girl on this diet. I think you can understand that. I'm fine and thanks for the concern everyone. I'm just A pink swayer who started out at a much lower bmi than most people. It's not my fault, it's genetics!!

I understand and I'm sure you can understand that people do some weird a$$$ Sh-- when swaying so I always assume the worst and go from there. I hope I didn't offend you.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry as, while I have you here though quick question, last month I stopped saw palmetto and dropped vitex for the month since my periods were light ( I was on vitex for almost six months). Now this month my period seems back to normal so is adding it back a good idea? I will do the peppermint tea but I wasn't quite sure about the vitex? My goal this month is to just just try and get preggers!! No jump and dump and maybe even add more attempts. I want to get pregnant quick because I feel that this may be my lady month on a strict LE diet. Thanks and sorry for worrying you!

I wouldn't add it back in because your BMI is terribly low even corrected and I think it's time to pull the trigger and get preggo NOW.

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree in a way but I've never weighed that much ever! I got pregnant with both my boys at 17.2 or 17.3 and they both were very healthy. I think some people are just genetically this way so gaining that much is kind out of the question. I fear that would take forever and its backwards for me since I've never weighed that much before. I fear it's boy territory all the way for me. Seriously I do appreciate the concern but I've always been super skinny and I truly believe the weight loss is muscle more than anything. I used to go the gym everyday and I haven't gone in over four months. Thanks again for your concern!!! Good luck and I hope we all get our dream genders!

Right, but understand that the more you lose, the more that weight "counts" as a percentage of your body. Going from 21.3 to 21 is no biggie but at some point, you have X amount of skin, bones, and organs that isn't going anywhere so those tenths start to really really be a lot more of your body itself. I would like to see you back at 17 and stay there but either way, get pg now and don't play around any more.

[LacePrincess]

I understand and I'm sure you can understand that people do some weird a$$$ Sh-- when swaying so I always assume the worst and go from there. I hope I didn't offend you.

Yah me too. It's been pointed out that I might be coming across as a bit know-it-all, so I'm really sorry if it came across that way. It just freaks me out some of the extremes people get to to get their girl, not saying that you're doing that (I'm so relieved that you sound like you're just naturally really tiny instead) but certainly we've seen here and on IG that some are so desperate they'll do anything including sacrificing their own health for the sake of the sway.

BMI is kinda crap for assessing health in the individual, really. It's too bad it's so difficult to assess, but I really wish we had a way of measuring lean bodymass/bodyfat accurately at home. At the very least getting a bodyfat assessment will paint a clearer picture of whether your bmi is something to freak about - or not. Clearly bone density affects weight too, another thing that has wide variance. Though I would say that your fertility cycle is a good indicator of whether you are getting too low or not, since mother nature will simply switch it off if you're getting too low for you.

[Ktiguewantspink]

Just saw these posts and believe me no one has offended me! I appreciate any advice even if its something I might not want to hear. I'm at the point now where I know I need to get preggers fast. I am really tired lately and yet sleeping the same so I think it's the weight loss and lack of nutrients. I ovulate so late that I actually end up being on the diet longer with less attempts than someone else. I do feel good about this month so I think we are going to so two attempts in one day with abstain. I would love dtd through ovulation but my husband can't do it. We tried last month and he is just too tired and super stressed with work lately. Actually we both are! Does this sway at all for me? Either way I am not someone who gives up easily so I hope I can get preggers this month. I won't be doing spermicide at all and I gave already dropped Rephresh and Zyrtec. It looks like my sway is diet and less attempts. Any suggestions? Is this too much or not enough?

Thanks for your concern! My weight has always been an issue but trust me my husband would send me for help if he had any doubt I was having issues. I am obsessive but I can recognize when I've gone too far. I am holding steady on weight and have my calories so hopefully this month is it for me!

[atomic sagebrush]

I think diet alone is a perfectly fine sway. :agree:

Being tired does tend to sway pink so you have that going for you too.

[atomic sagebrush]

PS - thanks for putting my mind at ease!!!

[LacePrincess]

Tired = pink? Well yay!!! I should celebrate my dragging mind numbing brain fog fatigue then! LOL!

[BabyCakesTor]

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Being tired does tend to sway pink so you have that going for you too.[/QUOTE]

Crap does this mean no more afternoon naps for me?

[atomic sagebrush]

If you can cut back on sleep, it can't hurt and may help.