Cutoff with RePHresh or O+12

[confusedman]

Hi all, new here, trying to sway pink. JFYI, I am DH :)

So I was wondering, if the goal of O+12 (loosely speaking) is to conceive when DW is more acidic (which I guess happens after O) and girl / x sperm live longer, could the best approach be a compromise? Meaning, help DW get acidic before O (with RePHresh, Replens, or maybe something else?) and do a 2 or 4 day cutoff?

Anyway, like my username says, I'm confused, so any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated! Many thanks!

Edit: I just read from one of Atomic's posts that X sperm don't actually live longer. So, as hopingforsaskia points out below, timing may be a non issue. But this still leaves me confused as to why wait for O+12 at all?... but I'm sure this is addressed many places, probably in the description of O+12 itself :) I guess I have more reading to do!

[Mum23boys]

Hmmmm this is one for atomic to answer .... bump !!

[hopingforsaskia]

Just my 2 cents worth... :)

There is SO much more to it than acidic or alkaline.. In fact, that and timing are two things that atomic herself doesn't really put much stock in.

I would suggest looking at getting your lovely wife to look at going on the LE diet. Atomic can brush you up on the deets. :) good luck.

[confusedman]

Thanks, I thought it might be more complicated. The misses is considering the LE diet, but is worried that it might be unhealthy. She just had a miscarriage :sad: and I don't want to push her too much, she's already very supportive, maybe if I do it as well :)

Maybe you lovely ladies can help with another question or two... So dw had a positive OPK this morning and we may give it a shot tomorrow. We haven't been doing a real sway plan, but thought she could use Represh / replens for a small sway. So, how close to the BD time should she use it? I'm getting the impression that diet is the real key here, but trying is just so much fun :) Also is the mans diet just as important? I'm happy to do my part as well (minus labor pains, I don't know how much they hurt, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to :bowdown:

[Navywife620]

You want to use RepHresh at least 8-12 hours before your attempt. If you use it too close to your attempt it will probably kill all the sperm.

[hopingforsaskia]

Haha no you don't want labour pains... ;)

Woman's diet is much more important, but the suggestion is that if you could go vegetarian and drink a little soy milk each day it would only help.

The diet doesn't have to be unhealthy. DW can just have a vegetarian diet with low fat and keeping an eye on calories, and skipping breakfast to keep blood sugar levels lowish, lose just a few kgs/pounds and that in itself is a really good sway IMO. :) Then if you wanted to do rephresh, like Navy said, 8-12 hours is close enough to bd! :)

I'm so sorry for your loss too.. That's heartbreaking. :(

[pebmcpd7]

It is believed that a miscarriage sways pink!! If you try right away

[confusedman]

Thank you ladies!

Truth be told, I really, really (really) want to have a girl (really), but I feel it's a bit selfish given, that we don't have any children yet and my dw's main concern is for a healthy baby. Anyway, I don't know if this helps, but I've always been lean, and I mean like 3-5% body fat. Does that sway pink? My beautiful wife is more middle of the road, she eats very little salt, has a cup of coffee every day, and believes fat is actually quite healthy. She's also one of the happiest people I've ever met, and I don't want to change that :)

Me on the other hand, I have no problem going vegetarian for a while, although I imagine this will have to be a long term strategy as (if I remember correctly) it takes something like 72 days for new sperm to regenerate. I think Atomic also pointed to an article about runners (which I'm not, but maybe I'll give a try). I think she also mentioned something about licorice (and I'm guessing she's not referring to the awesome Aussi style red stuff) :tissue:

I guess I rambled a bit off topic, anyway my point; thanks again ladies!! DW used the RePHresh as you suggested and hopefully that will give us a bit of a sway, and if not, I'll start a vegi diet :)

[confusedman]

It is believed that a miscarriage sways pink!! If you try right away

Oh, this is the first cycle after :fx:

[confusedman]

I think I have my answer in this post from Atomic:
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1293-o-12-part-3-advantages-disadvantages-o-12-a.html

If I understand it correctly, the reason for O+12 is just that it's easier to keep DW acidic for the small O+12 window.

So I'm thinking:
1) Abstain ~7 days before 3 day window to O.
2) BD at 3 days to O (to increase chance of pregnancy, but maybe only once to keep the sperm count down).
3) Use RePHresh to keep DW acidic until O.
4) Diet as suggested by hopingforsaskia :)

Of course if DW is pg in 2wks, then maybe next time :oops:

[hopingforsaskia]

Well that all sounds great! I think it's a great sway. :)

I hope DW is pregnant this time round though! Good luck - and pink dust! :)

[Rosie85]

I agree, it all sounds good. Hope DW gets pregnant!

Ps. you sound like a fantastic husband! I am glad to hear how supportive you are of your wife!

[confusedman]

Now that I can see your signatures, I feel even more selfish :oops:

Well, I hope we all have girls, especially you ladies!!! :Flower:

And Thank You for your kind words and advice :bigsmile: this place is great!

[hopingforsaskia]

Desire is desire. It's not dependent on the disappointment that precedes it. :) let us know how you guys go! We're all about hearing the results!! :D

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome again, and I am SOO sorry it took so long to get to this thread!

Here are some links that should answer all your questions:

(X do NOT live any longer than Y) http://genderdreaming.com/forum/science-behind-gender-swaying/1562-what-real-differences-between-x-sperm-y-sperm.html

(timing does NOT sway) http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion-ttc-boy-girl-home-swaying-info/7691-trouble-timing.html

(the spurious history and downsides of O+12) http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1291-o-12-part-1-history-o-12-a.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1293-o-12-part-3-advantages-disadvantages-o-12-a.html

The reason why the other site advises O+12 is because they think you have to keep pH super low after ovulation and it's easier to keep pH low for a few hours rather than days. But the problem is that pH very likely does not even sway in the way that they claim and it's not even possible to lower the pH up where sperm meets egg by putting things into the vagina and there is a full explanation of that here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion-ttc-boy-girl-home-swaying-info/11684-ph-pickle.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks, I thought it might be more complicated. The misses is considering the LE diet, but is worried that it might be unhealthy. She just had a miscarriage :sad: and I don't want to push her too much, she's already very supportive, maybe if I do it as well :)

Maybe you lovely ladies can help with another question or two... So dw had a positive OPK this morning and we may give it a shot tomorrow. We haven't been doing a real sway plan, but thought she could use Represh / replens for a small sway. So, how close to the BD time should she use it? I'm getting the impression that diet is the real key here, but trying is just so much fun :) Also is the mans diet just as important? I'm happy to do my part as well (minus labor pains, I don't know how much they hurt, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to :bowdown:

diet is key, that's for sure. To put your minds at ease, I designed the LE Diet to be fully in line with the recommendations of reproductive endocrinologists for safe weight loss while TTC. The fat and protein intake is recommended by the World Health Organization as normal healthy intake for women of childbearing age. We take additional folic acid to help prevent birth defects and I urge everyone to get 2500-3500 mg potassium and use iodized salt for their sodium needs. All the nutrients save iodine, potassium, and zinc are either stored in ample supply by the human body OR are present in adequate quantities on the LE Diet. I talked about iodine and potassium above but regarding the zinc, if a woman has gone on swaying more than 3 months I advise an 8-15 mg zinc supp 3x a week and if a woman has just had a miscarriage I also advise an 18 mg iron supp (I like Bifera brand) either daily or every other day depending on how much iron she's getting via diet.

[atomic sagebrush]

On RepHresh, most of us use it every three days starting at the end of AF to allow our bodies time to get used to it, and then an applicator anywhere between 8 hours - 24 hours before attempt.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think it's lovely that you want a daughter so badly! :heart:

your leanness will help your sway to begin with. Any length of time you spend as a vegetarian will only help.

Licorice root can help and you take that the first 14 days of your wife's cycle and then stop. 450 mg 3x a day (and it tastes HORRIBLE, just to warn you.)

[6bluewant1pink]

Atomic what does zinc do?

[confusedman]

@hopingforsaskia - Thanks for the beautiful sentiment :happy: And I'll post results!

@atomic - Thank you for taking the time and effort to provide thorough and thoughtful replies. You are a great asset to this community!

lol, I just ate the last bite of my pork chop when I read the part "Any length of time you spend as a vegetarian will only help"

I will take your advice to heart and share it with my wife, and I should clarify, it's not that she thinks the diet itself is unhealthy, but thought "less" would mean less nutrients for the baby (... and it probably didn't help that I said she needed to start smoking and drinking diet coke :oops: she, ... at least, now ..., knows that's not part of the diet).

"I think it's lovely that you want a daughter so badly!"
Thank you, it's been kind of hard to admit that I want a daughter so badly. And now, it seems everywhere I look, I see Dad's with their little girls. I almost think I'm a bit jealous, worried that, somehow, there aren't any daughters left :sad:

Of course, my wife just smiles and reminds me that's not how it works :bigsmile:

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic what does zinc do?

Boosts sperm production for men and may help with egg quality for women. I think it can sway quite strongly blue so I don't want anyone ***guys especially*** to take it unless they've been swaying on a strict diet for 3 months.

[atomic sagebrush]

CM - Don't worry about the pork chop, my husband ate them by the pig's worth! ;)

It's not less nutrients for baby, I want everyone to immediately start prenatals, DHA supp after BFP, and take that higher dose folic acid throughout the first trimester!

Feeling that the girls have been "used up" is a very common manifestation of gender disappointment!!