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atomic sagebrush
February 22nd, 2011, 11:44 AM
Updated 12-24-17

You may have noticed that the advice given on this site is not always the same as on other sites. True. But why is this exactly?

Most traditional swaying advice is based on four sources. Shettles (timing, abstinence, and pH), Ericcson (pH), O+12 (timing, abstinence), and the French Gender Diet people. (calcium and pH). Please read these differences in more detail here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/7507-ig-vs-gd-swaying-whats-difference-who-atomic-sagebrush-anyway.html

We'll take a closer look at these over the course of time, but for now, there is some pretty compelling evidence against ALL of them. Most of the studies that supports them (if any) are done by the promoters of the theories themselves or by people selling products based on this "evidence" and some of them are done in very very small groups of people and are essentially worthless from a scientific viewpoint. Some of them are decades old and others were not double-blind studies (meaning, the researchers and the subjects knew in advance the result that was "supposed" to happen - that is a major no-no for studies). Yet others rely 100% on self-reported information which is inherently unreliable - one person may know exactly when they ovulated, but then again, they may have Oed early that month and therefore claiming that they conceived 2 days prior to O is completely wrong. Please read more about issues with swaying studies here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-and-scientific-research/11319-understanding-scientific-studies-swayers-updated-12-8-17-a.html

Only the favorable studies seem to find their way onto most gender swaying sites. On one of the most prominent swaying websites, it is clearly stated that NONE of the studies that disprove any of these things are posted. All that is presented, is the case FOR swaying using these methods, while the cases against them is never discussed.

Consequently, everything that follows is based on the unquestioned validity of these four notions and if they are all true, hey, that's great. We will end up with a great sway and it really IS our fault when sways fail. (On some sites, when people get opposites, they are all too often chastised for "not doing everything" to sway and their sways are picked apart and criticized mercilessly.) But if they're not true, then swaying is like trying to build a house on shifting sand - everything placed on top of them will be unreliable and unpredictable and swayers are setting themselves up for a huge disappointment.

So in this site, one of the goals is to provide a safe place to be able to question these sacred swaying cows because if they aren't true, then all swaying is crap and a complete waste of time. NO ONE will yell at you if you don't want to douche or drink massive amounts of Crystal Light, or try to scare you into swaying a certain way here. Please read more about that here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/252-no-fault-swaying.html?252-No-Fault-Swaying= and here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/25293-three-essays-swaying.html

The downside of all this is, it can be confusing to people trying to plan a sway, to hear the arguments against the traditional swaying methods. It would certainly be easier if we just went with the crowd and ignored the evidence against traditional swaying. It might feel better in the short term because we would feel in control of our sway and that we were guaranteed success. But people's sways fail http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/18466-when-sways-attack-updated-12-8-17-a.html and the main reason they fail is because of bad information, because we keep repeating the same stale things and blaming ourselves when it doesn't work out. Unless we are willing to question again and again and assume nothing, swaying will never be any more reliable than it is now.

So please, any time you come across something that doesn't seem to mesh with what others have claimed, please ASK! There is always an explanation for everything and atomic (ME) is always happy to explain the reasoning behind why we give different advice from other sites.

Welcome and I am ready and waiting to help you have the sway you have always wanted.

nuthinbutpink
February 22nd, 2011, 12:36 PM
Great post. No assigning blame. We all try our best and if it doesn't work out, we certainly won't be telling you that you didn't have the perfect sway. Perfection is a silly concept when we are simply trying to sway our odds as best we can!

lindi
February 23rd, 2011, 12:52 AM
So well said yet again Atomic! I am so glad I found you and this site.

ELP
February 23rd, 2011, 04:13 AM
:agree: Looking forward to following the sites results.

Another princess
February 23rd, 2011, 07:31 AM
Agree, great post! Great site! Thankyou monkeys!!!

rainbowflower
April 26th, 2011, 03:29 PM
I can't see on here where you discuss the evidence for the different approaches - such as the studies that prove/disprove Shettles, various official statistics, etc. Have I missed it somewhere?

PolishPrincess
April 26th, 2011, 08:25 PM
I love that I read this just before I started a new thread of, "should I even try swaying if I am not comfortable with douching?" I guess I got my answer. Thanks so much great post!

BabyCakes
April 27th, 2011, 07:09 AM
great great point!

Flava
April 28th, 2011, 02:25 PM
I can't see on here where you discuss the evidence for the different approaches - such as the studies that prove/disprove Shettles, various official statistics, etc. Have I missed it somewhere?

I would like to read it too!

atomic sagebrush
April 29th, 2011, 12:34 PM
I can't see on here where you discuss the evidence for the different approaches - such as the studies that prove/disprove Shettles, various official statistics, etc. Have I missed it somewhere?

I am doing my best to get this all organized and in one place, but I'm only one person and I can't clone myself LOL!

There are links peppered through various threads and also in the "science of gender swaying" section but I will try to get them all under one roof. Here are a few to start out with.

There are a lot of links in this one particularly and this one talks about WHY Shettles is wrong.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1562-What-are-the-REAL-differences-between-X-sperm-and-Y-sperm

Here is the link to my original Trivers-Willard Hypothesis blog from IG which talks about several different studies that were done.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?253-Trivers-Willard-hypothesis

Vegetarians have more girls - http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?439-Vegetables-for-more-girls

Maternal Dominance Hypothesis - http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1683-Maternal-Dominance-Hypothesis

The seasons and swaying (debunks some of the ion info) http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1693-the-seasons-and-swaying

atomic sagebrush
April 29th, 2011, 12:35 PM
I love that I read this just before I started a new thread of, "should I even try swaying if I am not comfortable with douching?" I guess I got my answer. Thanks so much great post!

YES you can absolutely sway without douching! Never forget, most of the girls who have ever been conceived on the face of the planet were conceived without using douches!!! Good luck to you!!

pastelpicnic
May 3rd, 2011, 05:56 PM
Ok, Sorry if I'm posting this question in the wrong place?!? But I have a friend who is struggling with fertility. I thought I read somewhere on here about a Fertility book the Atomic recommends?! I would love to know the name so that I can have my friend get it. Thanks for the help! ;)

iluvmyman
May 3rd, 2011, 06:42 PM
wow, you are writing all of these up by yourself? When do you sleep? Thanks for doing this.

atomic sagebrush
May 5th, 2011, 11:39 AM
Ok, Sorry if I'm posting this question in the wrong place?!? But I have a friend who is struggling with fertility. I thought I read somewhere on here about a Fertility book the Atomic recommends?! I would love to know the name so that I can have my friend get it. Thanks for the help! ;)

Fertility Foods By Dr. Jeremy Groll...available on Amazon!

atomic sagebrush
May 5th, 2011, 11:39 AM
wow, you are writing all of these up by yourself? When do you sleep? Thanks for doing this.

I love doing it but it is taking longer than I had hoped! :/

pastelpicnic
May 5th, 2011, 06:59 PM
Fertility Foods By Dr. Jeremy Groll...available on Amazon!


Thanks AS!!! Now I hope my friend will relax! ;)

Ella BB
May 6th, 2011, 05:36 AM
Thanks, great info :)

XXdreaming
August 12th, 2011, 01:20 AM
Just wanted to say I absolutely love this site! And so glad I don't get my head bit off when I question some theory :) and also I have learned so much just being on here a short time than I have on other gender swaying website that I have been on for yrs, thanks for all your hard work atomic

atomic sagebrush
August 12th, 2011, 10:13 AM
Thank you Melinda! My thinking is, we MUST question everything in order to solve the riddle of gender swaying. Every question makes the overall quality of information better!

It's so nice to have you here asking q's!!

atomic sagebrush
December 24th, 2017, 02:22 PM
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WelcomeBaby
March 30th, 2019, 06:42 AM
My thinking is, we MUST question everything in order to solve the riddle of gender swaying.
Spoken like a true Sherlock Holmes :highfive: :D