READ ME FIRST - Planning Your Pink Sway

[atomic sagebrush]

There is a lot of info here and more coming every day, so daisynyc suggested that I make a kind of "menu" for getting started with planning a sway. (THANK YOU!!) Any and all suggestions are very welcome...it is hard for me to keep track of what I've covered adequately and what needs a little more attention, please let me know about anything that you would like to see more of or that I maybe forgot to go back to.

Also, after a post has been on the main page for awhile, I have been moving it to TTC Girl Best Practices, so be sure to go into that forum too and see what else is there!

EVERYONE planning a sway needs to stop to think what their swaying strategy should be so please start by reading:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1382-The-Kitchen-Sink-the-Mellow-Yellow-the-Do-Nothing-and-the-80-20-rule-of-swaying!

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?3147-Beyond-the-cookie-cutter-Personalizing-your-sway

:ttcgirl:DIET

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?466-The-myth-of-the-magic-foods

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?761-diet-suggestions-for-TTC-Pink

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1396-Recipes-and-meal-suggestions-for-TTC-pink!

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1159-When-and-how-to-eat-meals-to-TTC-Pink

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/10922-weight-loss-pink-weight-gain-blue-%96-how.html

:ttcgirl:DOUCHE/LUBE

(checking pH)http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?2065-How-to-check-pH-for-DH-and-DW

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1134-The-lure-of-Lubes!!

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1066-complete-guide-replens-rephresh.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?866-Guide-to-Douching-TTC-Pink

:ttcgirl:HORMONES

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1541-Hormones-for-TTC-Pink

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?554-Lowering-testosterone-levels

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1411-The-Exercise-Enigma-both-genders

:ttcgirl:TIMING

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1359-Shettles-method-of-timing-for-boy-and-girl-Part-1

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1291-O-12-Part-1-The-History-of-O-12 (this essay contains links to part 2 and 3 in this series)

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?5636-frequency-of-BD-for-pink-and-blue

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/9736-how-many-attempts-should-i-do-when-pink-blue.html

:ttcgirl:SUPPLEMENTS

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1094-Vitex!-FAQ-and-share-your-experiences-here!!!

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?518-USING-ANTIHISTAMINES-TO-HELP-TTC-A-GIRL

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?522-HELPFUL-HERBS

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?521-GUIDE-TO-SUPPLEMENTS-FOR-TTC-PINK

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?523-SUPPLEMENTS-FOR-DH

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/7108-saw-palmetto-peppermint-tea-licorice-root-depth-how.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/7086-how-lower-ph-via-supps-cran-baby-aspirin-aspartame-other-techniques.html

:ttcgirl:LOWERING SPERM COUNT

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?552-GUESS-WHAT-MEN-MAKE-50-50-X-AND-Y-SPERM!!!&p=3001#post3001

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1137-Jump-and-Dump-and-the-Semen-Emitting-Technique

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1177-The-Hole-in-the-Condom-method

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1143-Best-sex-positions-for-babies-of-a-particular-gender-or-just-getting-pregnant!

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?5636-frequency-of-BD-for-pink-and-blue

[Daisynyc]

Wow Atomic - you work fast! What a great mega-list. This really makes it easy for anyone hitting this board for the first time. And look - my first post!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yay! Thanks so much for the idea, it was very much appreciated.

[Daisynyc]

Thank YOU. You've been so helpful and reassuring. Just paid for my Dream Membership - a small price for all the help here.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so very much!!

[babydust]

WOW, this is wonderful and very well organized. Way to go Atomic! :)

[mamato3lilmen]

Thank you so much for all the wonderful information. I do have a question. Is trying to sway when your DH will not participate in any of it, like taking supps, diet, and stuff like that...is it even worth the try? Or I should say even worth trying to put myself on the diet, and wasting $ on supps for me etc etc?

[atomic sagebrush]

YES it is totally worth it. REsearch shows that since the mother cares for the offspring, what the mother does in terms of swaying is much more important than anything the father brings to the table.

My DH would not sway either.

[mamato3lilmen]

Thats whats I wanted to hear, thanks again :-)

[luvmyluvbug]

Lots of great info so glad ongoing this site. Much more user friendly then other sites I have come across. Thanks for putting this all together

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks and welcome to all new members! More info will be coming in the weeks ahead. My goal is to have this be the most thorough and user-friendly swaying site on the internet! ♥

[ButterflyMama]

Thanks so much Atomic... you're a pink sway angel :) <3

[atomic sagebrush]

Aw, thanks!! ♥♥♥

[wishing on a star]

So glad i found this thread, my dh wont sway either and its been really stressing me out ( i opened up another thread about this) im not going to worry so much anymore, as long as im doing it 110% ill know ive done the best i can
xx

[purplepoet20]

I showed my hubby that the calcium and magnesium were good for his blood pressure and that saw palmetto was good for the prostate.... A week after he started taking them I mentioned they were also good for swaying pink :) Of course some of you moms can not mention that part, just say the prostate part and magnesium for the heart because you are looking out for hubbies health. Calcium Citrate can be bought with Mag, may have vita D in it but just give him a pill in the morning and at night for that little boost.

Just recently I saw that saw palmetto will balance the hormones in men and may help promote hair growth. I love my baldy but he wishes he had more hair. So hair growth may be another way to get a man to take it.

So find a way to trick your men... they don't have to know the girl part!!!

[queen-of-harts]

I asked dh if he would take licorice root because it would lower his testosterone when we sway and he said "im not taking anything that will make me grow boobs":sigh: such a guy lol

[fivebabies]

Ah, thank you for putting this thread together! So convienent!

[purplepoet20]

A few other things about Licorice Root...

Indicated for: Addison's disease, allergic rhinitis, arthritis, athlete's foot, baldness, bronchitis, bursitis, canker sores, catarrh of the upper respiratory tract, chronic fatigue, colds, colitis and intestinal infections, conjunctivitis, constipation, coughs, dandruff, depression, duodenal-ulcers, emphysema, exhaustion, fibromyalgia, flu, fungal infections, gastritis, gingivitis and tooth decay, gout, hayfever, heartburn, hepatitis, inflamed gallbladder, liver disease, Lyme disease, menopause, prostate enlargement, psoriasis, shingles, sore throat, spleen disorders, tendinitis, throat problems, tuberculosis, ulcers, viral infections, yeast infections. Reducing stomach acid and relieving heartburn and indigestion. Increasing bile flow and lowering cholesterol. Improving resistance to physical and emotional stress.

[purplepoet20]

Saw Palmetto...

Indicated for: Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia (BPH). Increasing breast size, improving sexual vigor and as an aphrodisiac. Stimulating hair growth, colds, coughs, irritated mucous membranes, sore throat, asthma, chronic bronchitis, migraines and cancer. Prostate cancer. Nutritive tonic, relieving the symptoms of menstruation, improving muscle tone and muscle building.

[3boys]

I asked dh if he would take licorice root because it would lower his testosterone when we sway and he said "im not taking anything that will make me grow boobs":sigh: such a guy lol

Sorry just found this and had to add. My DH has taken his Licorice root for 2 weeks today (stopping 2mo for 2w) and he asked me if it looked like he was growing MOOBS (MAN BOOBS) it did make me laugh!

[dannikins]

thanks so much, this is very helpful...:)

[melissalynay]

Thanks, this is great for a first time swayer like me but wow so much information is can get overwhelming.

[atomic sagebrush]

I understand! Please ask about anything you do not understand.

[indigoviolet]

Thanks Atomic, I keep reading and re-reading bits of this and gradually it is all sinking in! Learnt so much!

[nikbaby3]

Thanks so much for the info atomic sagebrush!! So breastfeeding should increase chances for a GiRl then, hopefully!?!? : )

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, we believe that it does but there are still lots of boys conceived when BF (inc. one of mine!) Not a magic bullet, but nothing is!

[Lassie1982]

Originally Posted by queen-of-harts
I asked dh if he would take licorice root because it would lower his testosterone when we sway and he said "im not taking anything that will make me grow boobs" such a guy lol

Sorry just found this and had to add. My DH has taken his Licorice root for 2 weeks today (stopping 2mo for 2w) and he asked me if it looked like he was growing MOOBS (MAN BOOBS) it did make me laugh!

My DH was mortified when i first told him he'd need to take LR for two weeks, I explained about the lowering testosterone theory and he was no impressed "LESS testosterone, LESS?!?! what if my bollocks fall off"

He's agreed though :) But has added it will be my fault if he can't do a daily release as planned leading up to Ovulation

[melhopes4agirl]

Hi all, new to site....

On a seperate note? Have any of you taken aci jel or sylk lube before? Where can I get it? Want to b prepared for this month?

Thanks alot.....

[atomic sagebrush]

There is info about Acijel and Sylk here :http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/1134-lure-lubes.html and http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1257-ins-outs-aci-jel.html and also here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1066-complete-guide-replens-rephresh.html

you can order them both online if you Google them.

[sweetpea]

Saw Palmetto...

Indicated for: Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia (BPH). Increasing breast size, improving sexual vigor and as an aphrodisiac. Stimulating hair growth, colds, coughs, irritated mucous membranes, sore throat, asthma, chronic bronchitis, migraines and cancer. Prostate cancer. Nutritive tonic, relieving the symptoms of menstruation, improving muscle tone and muscle building.
Uh-oh. Really? Isn't this what we pink swayers DON'T want? :worry:

[atomic sagebrush]

Uh-oh. Really? Isn't this what we pink swayers DON'T want? :worry:

No, because the way it works is by lowering estrogen and in MEN lower estrogen can reduce body fat and expose muscle so makes you look more toned. Also in men, high levels of estrogen can mean low levels of testosterone so SP may help guys with very high estrogen levels. For us gals, we want lower estrogen and lower T and SP seems to do that for us.

Plus, remember, this is just one source of info and we don't really know how much weight to give this claim.

People are having success taking SP and to my way of thinking, real-life success is worth way more than some allegation made by herb salesmen on the Internet!!

[sweetpea]

Ahhh, I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification! :agree:

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for asking a great question!! :)

[HappyMedium]

OMGosh Atomic I made your Melting cookies and I am soooooo addicted!!!! What a treat!!!!!!! LOVE THEM!!! And so easy I can eat tons LOL....well maybe not tons.
And I got off the phone with my girlfiend about her girls and she is so cocky LOL..."I ate whatever I wanted" and she did...beotch....Going to do all I can for my girl!!!!!!
Thanks for recipe!!!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

That's what they all say and then you find out they don't LIKE a lot of foods LOL! So yeah, they ate what they wanted but they just didn't WANT the same stuff we boy moms do!

I'm glad you liked the cookies, we LOVE them here too and I've been planning to make them - maybe today???

[Ribbons]

Melting cookies..? Ooh where is that recipe? Sounds awesome :)

[HappyMedium]

Melting cookies..? Ooh where is that recipe? Sounds awesome :)

1 cup flour
1/2 cup corn starch
1/2 cup powdered sugar
1 1/2 sticks butter unsalted and melted. Mix together. scoop and roll into balls. Flatten on cookie sheet and bake at 325 for 8-10 minutes. They do not brown on top. AWESOME!!! You will hide them. I told DH they were diet cookies. LOL

[BeadinMom]

LOL!! Thanks HappyMedium! For the recipe AND for the idea to call them "Diet cookies" ;)

[Ribbons]

YUM.. those sound positively sinful!

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and you don't totally melt the butter, just soften it so it's easier to mix.

[sweetpea]

Mmmm...those cookies sound so good! What is the serving size, and the nutritional breakdown?

[atomic sagebrush]

They're very buttery so it's best to stick with 1-2 cookies and make them on the smaller side.

The recipe didn't have nutritional data listed and of course, it will vary depending on the size of the cookie.

[sweetpea]

Ok, so definitely an occasional special treat! Got it! ;)

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, so definitely an occasional special treat! Got it! ;)

Also, this sounds bizarre and gross, but we actually like the dough better than the cookies!! They're also safe to eat without cooking because they contain no eggs.

[sweetpea]

Also, this sounds bizarre and gross, but we actually like the dough better than the cookies!! They're also safe to eat without cooking because they contain no eggs.
Mmmmm...that sounds delicious, and not bizarre or gross at all! ;) I love cookie dough!

[thehappypixi]

I have read three so far, need a few days to absorb all this great info :D

[Shenanigans]

Love this thread also!

[Princess_G]

Thank you SO much for providing my bedtime reading for the foreseeable future!

[an_cat]

Hi Atomic! I am new here (hopefully you still are active on this site!) and have spent HOURS of days reading all of your amazing info! The problem I'm now having is I'm super overwhelmed with all of this info and don't even know where to start! I have a 9mo old little boy and am dying for a little girl! I've always been really althletic with a high muscle mass (but still petite) but haven't worked out much since being pregnant and having my little boy. I also eat a lot of meat and salt, so I'm thinking I should start with diet? Just eating less, right? How would you simplify this all? I'm worried I'm now too stressed! Where should I begin? What would you say is the most effective? Help!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome! Yep, still here plugging away at it.

I know it seems overwhelming at first but that's because I just want this site to have a lot of information about various tactics so those who want to use them, can do so safely and sanely. That doesn't always mesh with what I personally, or our results, are indicating are the best ways to sway. But I don't want to take off the info even about the tactics that haven't panned out for us, because those people who want to use them, will then end up getting info that may NOT be safe/sane and so we're going with the all-inclusive approach, even though it seems like a lot at first. :) Just ask, ask, ask anything that seems less than clear and I'll clarify.

Counterintuitively we are finding that a simple approach is ending up getting the best results as well, which is nice. The things that are getting best results are LE Diet + fiber for 12 weeks or more, cardio 60 min. a day 6-7 days a week if possible (or at the least 4 days a week), sticking to one attempt in the fertile window, Clomid if you can get it, and alcohol. Sodium has not been a very effective tactic and most of us have completely dropped it - it doesn't work at all and it makes it way easier to stick to the diet if you let go on that restriction. I got my girl without limiting sodium (and in fact eating a lot of it!) after getting my 4th boy while limiting it. None of the other tactics have really earned their keep, even though many people want to keep some other things in the mix, at least at the start

LE Diet is NOT just eating less. The thing about LE Diet is that it's designed to be a safe prepregnancy diet, just the minimum amounts. So just cutting back on food intake may not ensure you're getting the safe diet you need before pregnancy (some people cut back WAY too far), and at the same time others people end up eating more than they realize and inadvertently swaying blue with that approach.

Diet info here:
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/16780-low-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/24628-le-diet-faq.html

[an_cat]

Thank you so much for your response! Right now I am breastfeeding and not exercising at all - drinking 100% cranberry juice, crystal light ice tea, taking vitex, calcium mag and folic acid. With diet I am just eating less - smaller meals and no snacking. Also much less meat. How am I looking so far! Lol

I was also wondering about timing as my cycles are long and not very regular. Is it okay to abstain for more than a week? And then I would TTC a few days before ovulation, correct?

Thank you again for taking the time to help me! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, I do like you guys to track calories, protein, and fat intake to be sure you're getting enough, like I mentioned. IT's not just a matter of cutting back, it's a matter of only cutting back to a certain point and still getting enough to keep ovulating, and get and stay pregnant.

I would skip the cran juice. It isn't enough to sway (you'd need actual supplements for that, and they are not safe when breastfeeding anyway) and you're simply adding additional nutrients that may even sway blue.

We have not found timing to sway. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html Most of us have 2-3-4 or more timing opposites so it's easy for us to give up on it, if you want to keep it, it's up to you. Just have attempt 2 or 3 days before you expect to ovulate. Don't go any further than 3 days before O, your odds of conception will be too low. Just be sure that you stick with one attempt, one attempt regardless of timing has been super effective for us.

Don't abstain for longer than 14 days max and I'd recommend 7-10 days. Since you have an irregular cycle we often have hubbies release every 2-4 days (regular release) in that situation, but keep the one attempt (with or without timing). Abstaining has not had very good results and it makes very bad sperm that may cut odds of conception, plus your husband will end up exploding if you have him abstain for a long time in an irregular cycle. I'd go with the regular release instead for odds of conception and marital harmony. :)

[an_cat]

Oh dear, I thought I read crab was safe during breast feeding- I'll cut the cran! I've read so many things conflicting on caffeine - is it okay? I'm drinking crystal ligjt ice tea and wasn't sure if I should look for a different crystal light or not. In addition to this, do you see that the lime tampon has good success? And as far as the rephresh... Do I just use it the one time after sex that I'm TTC? Lastly - I saw that you offer the dream members the full LE diet info for $1 a month - how do I go about signing up for that?!

[atomic sagebrush]

Cranberry juice is fine, but it's not strong enough to do anything for swaying. Cranberry suppplements are not safe when nursing.

Caffeine is fine when swaying. The idea that it swayed blue has been totally debunked and we are getting GREAT results using coffee for swaying 3 cups a day or more. Tea has seemed a little more boy friendly so I'd prob. have a different kind of Crystal Light instead.

We don't use the lime tampon very much. It cuts odds of conception by a lot and we get good results without any of that stuff. I have an essay on how to use them safely if you want to do it, but I don't really recommend them.

Guide to RepHresh is here, we use it BEFORE, not after. If you do lime tampon, you can't use RepHresh because the combination can cause a pH spike. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-a-girl-best-practices/1066-complete-guide-replens-rephresh.html?1066-Complete-guide-to-Replens-and-RepHresh=

Link to buy Dream Membership is here (and thank you! this $$ allows me to do this as a job instead of having to work) http://genderdreaming.com/forum/payments.php

[an_cat]

Thank you so much! I'm in!! I was reading some
Other threads and some talked about NOT taking calcium and magnesium when swaying pink when they already had a boy... Should I stop taking these supplements?

[atomic sagebrush]

It is up to you. I, and many other people on this site, had had 2,3,4 or more boys on dairy and calcium so it was really easy for us to give up on the idea. (and I got my girl with both my husband and I eating hardly any dairy and not taking calcium supps, after getting 4 boys with lots of dairy and 3 and 4 with me taking calcium) But you need to do waht YOU feel is the best thing to do for you.

[an_cat]

Such great info- thank you! I'm so sorry for all the questions .. I MIGHT have one or two more..? :D

I'm stuck on the exercise part. I have always been athletic and was previously super into weightlifting and CrossFit - I put on muscle REALLY easily and have a reaaaally hard time losing muscle. Even when I used to run I didn't have great results shrinking my muscles. Should I try for more cardio? Or not exercise at all? I haven't been exercising. I do have a 9month old boy right now who I am exclusively pumping for.


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[atomic sagebrush]

I answered your exercise question in another thread.

We don't evne know that muscle mass really matters. Exercise getting great results. So I think people should do what works (exercise) and let go of the things that are speculation (muscle mass) because we simply don't even know that muscle really matters.

[an_cat]

Thanks so much, Atomic!! That all totally makes sense and I understand. I have been on the LE diet for a few weeks now -- I have lost about 9 lbs (yay) - I've completely cut out meat, potatoes and excess salt. I eat yogurt and strawberries, grilled cheese, rice, pasta with marinara and definitely chocolate in there! I try to stick to 2 meals but sometimes need 3 but don't ever eat breakfast. The thing is, my CM doesn't seem to be drying up at all (tmi sorry) my diet has had a pretty big shift as I used to be meat and potatoes all the time! Do you have any insight into this? Is there anything else I could be doing , or does that not mean that things aren't on the right track?

[atomic sagebrush]

Both 2 and 3 weeks are equally acceptible and allowed so please do whichever works better for you.

There may be changes in CM happening htat you can't see with the naked eye. Some people also take longer than a few weeks for the CM to change.

Any changes in your menstrual flow?? Honestly I am seeing this sooo often that I am wondering if it's more reliable than changes in CM

[an_cat]

That's true - I'm not testing my CM, just observing if that makes sense. I haven't gotten my period yet (my cycles are long!) but I'll keep an eye on that! Thank you :)


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[atomic sagebrush]

If you have long cycles you may want to look into the alternate diets for PCOS and PCO tendecies here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html

These may be better for you, because sometimes those with long cycles will develop full blown PCOS eating too many carbs like on the Standard LE Diet.