Low Everything Diet - Nutshell Version

[atomic sagebrush]

UPDATED 12-14-17

The full Low-Everything Diet for Pink(LE Diet) is found in the Dream Members section http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl/3316-introducing-low-everything-diet-ttc-pink.html along with a lot of other good stuff!!

If you want to understand the scientific reasoning underlying the LE Diet, read this:
Understanding the Trivers Willard Hypothesis (http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion-ttc-boy-girl-home-swaying-info/12340-understanding-trivers-willard-hypothesis.html)

Before you do the LE Diet, take a sec to revise your thinking when it comes to sway diets. The LE Diet does not involve mineral balancing, pH of foods you eat, and there ARE NO forbidden foods on this diet (there are a few foods that you may want to avoid which I’ll talk about below, but even those are not make-or-break) It’s the overall totals of the day that count, not any magical food http://genderdreaming.com/forum/science-behind-gender-swaying/466-myth-magic-foods.html (this essay is in the Dream Members section as well)

If you can’t let go of those ideas, please follow the link for a thread that will describe how to tweak the existing sway diets to be more in line with LE principles. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/761-diet-suggestions-ttc-pink.html

In short, the LE Diet is a low calorie, low protein, low fat diet, with nutrient intake kept on the low side and eating in patterns that are more likely to help keep blood sugar low (so you eat 2-3 meals a day - both are equally allowed - push breakfast back so you are fasting 12-16 hours overnight, and avoiding snacks between meals)

Basic guidelines:

:flowerz: 1500-1800 calories a day

This is the level of caloric intake recommended by reproductive endocrinologists for safe weight loss while going HT. It is a safe level of weight loss while TTC.

If you’re very tall, are breastfeeding, want to stop weight loss or are losing massive quantities of weight too quickly, bump up to 1800-2000 cals (keeping protein and fat intake within limits and making up the difference with carbs.)

If you are very petite, typically only eat 1500-1800 cals, or have plateaued on weight loss at 1500-1800 and still have more to lose, you can bump down to 1200-1500 cals. DO NOT go any lower than that. Starvation is not an option and is not allowed on LE Diet (in fact, it may actually temporarily raise your testosterone - or whatever personality factor is swaying, since it may not be testosterone) and can undermine your pink sway.

If you have a lot of weight to lose, please try to resist the temptation to start off at 1200-1500 cals. It’s best to start on 1500-1800 and then see how you go. Cutting back more than you need will wreck your metabolism and make it harder to lose weight in the long run. You can always cut back more later on, but you can’t reset your metabolism right in the middle of your sway.

Again, the ONLY people who should be on 1200-1500 calories a day are very petite people who only eat 1500-1800 cals a day and have gotten boys doing that, and people who have plateaued at 1500-1800 and still have a lot of weight to lose. This is possibly 3-5% of swayers max. Far more people need to start off at higher calorie intake (1800-2000 cal range) instead of the lower range. So if you're asking yourself "do I need to be at 1200-1500 cals a day" the answer is almost certainly "no you do not, please eat more!"

:flowerz: Calories should come primarily from carbs

If you are very thin to start with or have already lost a lot of weight and are needing to hold steady, it’s good to include lots of empty carbs. (refined, white grains and sugar.)

If you have insulin resistance, PCOS, or are heavy to start out with, you should focus more on fruits, vegetables, and limit grains to 2-3 servings of whole grains a day. The fiber will slow down the rise in your blood sugar and make it easier for your body to digest the carbs. You will also need to boost protein and fat to 50-60 grams while keeping calories the same. Please read the following link about adjusting your diet if you have blood sugar issues http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1865-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-1-blood-sugar-issues.html

:flowerz: 40-50 g protein

DO NOT go below this. This is the lower limit of healthy protein intake for an adult woman in her childbearing years. You need this much protein prior to conception.

If you have insulin resistance or PCOS, you should increase protein (and fat!) to 50-60 g. You may also want to increase protein (and fat) to 50-60 g if you are breastfeeding, very tall, or exercising a lot.

:flowerz: 20-30% of your day’s calories from fat

This is the amount of fat intake advised from virtually all medical sources as ideal for good health. It’s much lower than most people eat, however.

Depending on how many cals you are eating, this typically works out to be between 30-60 g. (Update - while we originally had 25 g as our minimum intake, we found that virtually everyone's ovulation was delayed at that level) The more cals you are eating, the more fat you will be taking in.

DO NOT eat NO fat. You need fat to manufacture progesterone and estrogen that will help you get and stay pregnant. If you’ve gone on a long time without getting pregnant for no apparent reason, please start to eat the highest percent fat. If you are breastfeeding, eat the highest percent fat.

Anyone with PCOS, Insulin resistance, or other blood sugar issues needs to be getting 50-60 g of fat. Women who are very tall, breastfeeding, and/or exercising a lot should also be eating 50-60 g fat daily. Do NOT skimp on the fat. Fat is what keeps you ovulating and gives you a 14 day luteal phase. Fat helps you get and stay pregnant. Everyone, please eat fat as a part of your sway diet. No fat and very low fat diets are not allowed.

:flowerz: 2500-3500 mg potassium MINIMUM

DO NOT go under this amount. It can be FATAL. You can get more if you would like to.

It is quite likely potassium does not even sway anyway, please don’t risk your health for a sway tactic that is utterly unproven and doesn’t even make any sense. BTW, this is the same level of potassium that is recommended on InGender and in the French Gender Diet, but neither of them are very vocal about stressing how important it is that you get that amount of potassium. YOU CAN DIE if you do not get enough potassium, and this is a real risk that can actually occur.

If you are exercising, are tall, or drinking a lot of liquid, aim for the higher range. If at any point you feel like your heart is skipping beats or otherwise weird in any way, increase potassium.

:flowerz: Low Nutrient, not NO nutrient

Vitamin supplements and highly fortified foods should be avoided. The exception is folic acid – you should be taking 1200-1600 mcg a day spaced out over the course of the day. Also, if you legitimately need certain supplements for your health, please take them regardless of how they sway.

Fruits and vegetables are 100% allowed on the LE Diet. If you have a choice between higher nutrient vegetables and lower nutrient vegetables, then pick the lower nutrient ones, but that does not mean you cannot eat higher-nutrient vegetables. YOU CAN!! You would have to eat a mountain of broccoli to reach the level of nutrition in one Big Mac, fries, and a chocolate shake. Even high nutrient vegetables are really low nutrient foods overall.

If you have insulin resistance or PCOS, you should focus on getting your carb needs from whole grains, fruits and vegetables.http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1865-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-1-blood-sugar-issues.html

Low carb vegetables are free foods meaning you can eat as much as you like, no need to count them.

High carb (sweet or starchy) veg and fruits, count calories but not protein or fat.

High protein vegetables (legumes), count calories and protein.

High fat vegetables (avocado and olives) should be limited but if you have some, count cals and fat.

:flowerz: 700-1000 mg sodium

This is by far the least important. I do not believe sodium even sways (and high sodium intake may even sway PINK by harming overall health) but I keep it in the mix because it’s good for overall health and is relatively easy for people to include. If you have to cheat, make it on sodium.

:flowerz: Foods that are probably best avoided

While there are no magic foods, there are some foods that are probably best eaten sparingly or avoided all together, either because they’re somewhat blue-friendly or they make it too hard to stick within your day’s limits, or both.

:nails:Any highly fortified food like breakfast cereal.

:nails:Garlic, onions, oatmeal, and celery have compounds in them that may raise testosterone.

:nails:Fruit and vegetables juices – highly concentrated sources of nutrients

:nails:Meat and eggs, especially whole eggs, are highly concentrated sources of protein for very few calories. So after only a small serving, you exceed your protein allotment for the day and have eaten barely any calories whatsoever. Also, they are very nutrient dense foods so even just a tiny serving can give you a big burst of nutrition. They may also have fats in them that your body can use to make testosterone. You can still have these things within limits, they are not forbidden, just that you have to keep an eye on the amount you are eating.

:nails:Nuts and seeds – healthy fats and lots of nutrients and protein. A small amount is ok.

:nails:Beans and peas – high protein. A small amount is ok.

:nails:Fish and shellfish – Avoid oily fishes like tuna and salmon all together due to their healthy fat. Whitefish/shellfish are very high in protein and low cal and should be avoided, but are better than the oily fishes.

:nails:Full fat dairy – Most swayers will want to use skim products instead. However, if you need fat intake, switching to full fat dairy can be helpful for getting more fat and cals without adding protein - if you were eating skim yogurt, switch to full fat...same amount of protein, but extra fat and a few more cals. Also, those with PCOS or insulin resistance, you should - in fact you MUST use full fat dairy, particularly yogurt and cheese, because this gives you a much better insulin response than skim does. Full fat dairy ONLY for anyone with blood sugar issues or poor egg quality. Skim milk is terrible for blood sugar and may even harm your fertility if it is borderline.

[Atsaukina1]

No, not my eggs! lol. funny people say they use egg whites because I looked at those at the store and the protein was higher. maybe fat was lower? but I never have problem keeping fat down, it's protein. I haven't been having my eggs daily anymore, but I sure felt better eating them since EVERYTHING else I am eating is just simple low nutrient foods.

question
low sodium 700-1000
I was looking up low sodium and they(non-swayer) had it around 2000mgs as low. Why soo low since our fat and everything else isn't really that low? I haven't been able to get that low but am concentrating on everything else so am not stressing it at all, just curious and then maybe i will change if need be:)

[atomic sagebrush]

yes, their protein is higher but there is hardly any cals in them. some people have trouble getting too many cals and not enough protein so egg white is a good option for htem.

Egg yolks are chock full of nutrients and cholesterol that sway blue. It's ok to have them on occasion or to use as an ingredient, but eating them all the time is not a good idea at all and not LE.

the only reason I have sodium low is because that's the recommendation of the FGD. (basically, can't hurt, may help) I do not believe it's necessary, I think the FGD is nonsensical, and I didn't do it when I got my girl.

[Atsaukina1]

ok no eggs:) this is going to leave me a lot of room for more food since my 2 eggs were 12g. protein and 10g. fat. more candy for me:)

I haven't had any other foods on the no no list except a lil garlic/onion that's in my salsa:)

[fish2012]

this is a fab summary atomic thank you

[black&gold]

Can you tell us how to get more potassium? I'm at 677 calories for the day - planning on a snack tonight but am only at 98mg of potassium. I'm not aiming for low at all, just checked myfitnesspal and realized I was WAY low. Not sure what to eat to raise it and stay within the LE Diet

[black&gold]

and I will be up in calories by the end of the night for sure. I'm aiming for 1100 as I'm small to begin with so for any weightloss I need really low - only doing diet for 3 weeks too. I know that's not recommended but..

[meeks32]

Coconut water! Pulp free kind. Compare brands because some have heaps of cals and not much potassium but I found one that was super low cal and 700mg potassium per drink box size. It's in the Asian section of the normal supermarket or Asian grocers.

[atomic sagebrush]

Can you tell us how to get more potassium? I'm at 677 calories for the day - planning on a snack tonight but am only at 98mg of potassium. I'm not aiming for low at all, just checked myfitnesspal and realized I was WAY low. Not sure what to eat to raise it and stay within the LE Diet

My fitness pal is TERRIBLE for tracking potassium levels. Virtually all foods have SOME potassium in them, but it doesn't have to be legally listed on food labels and so no one ever enters it into the nutrient tracking sites, making it look like you're getting less than you actually are.

That having been said, it's just hard to get adequate potassium when eating that few calories. I don't want anyone going under 1200.

a baked potato, banana, coconut water are all good sources of potassium for not a lot of calories.

[mariposa]

is it ok to take wheat bran mixed on a yoghurt instead of fiber pills (like chitosan)? I find wheat bran more "capable" of drag the nutrients and fats in intestine than the chitosan pills.... Overmore, in a spoon you can have several gr. of fibre, while youy need take many pills to have 1 gr.... :think:
Overmore, a thing that my friends (girls mum) have in common is that they go regulary to the toilet, you know... :oops: and I´m afraid because of the LE diet, as I have to skip my all bran cereals at breakfast I lose my "regularity" too (which now I have and didn´t have before to my DS previous by the way...)

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, it's fine.

[Tree]

I was just wondering what the %fat should be if breast feeding?

[Dreamofpink]

Your cals should be up around 1800 so 20-30% of that total is about 60g. It's important to get enough fat and cals when you're bf'ing. :)

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[atomic sagebrush]

I was just wondering what the %fat should be if breast feeding?

if your baby is over 6 months then start off at the 60 g with 1800 calories and see how your supply is. you can increase either fat or calories or both if need be.

if you are doing the fiber you may want to give baby a vitamin drop with dha

if baby is under 6 months or not gaining weight I would just hold off or go vegetarian

[Tree]

Baby is 4 months old... Should I wait until 6 months to do the diet then? Are there anyways I can sway without impacting my lo in the meantime? Thank you for advice and help!

[atomic sagebrush]

Go vegetarian. I would not start dieting strictly until the 6 month mark.

[Tree]

Will this lessen my chances of getting a girl then if I were to get pregnant before 6months?

[Tree]

Go vegetarian. I would not start dieting strictly until the 6 month mark.

Should DH do LE diet too?

[meeks32]

Should DH do LE diet too?

Bump for atomic

I have read atomic's thoughts on DH's diet before, the consensus seems to be if DH does LE, it can't hurt, but its not necessary either. If he can go vegetarian, it may help lower his testosterone and sway pink. But LE and all the research points to it being most important for DW not DH.

Since you are brestfeeding, atomic has said go vegetarian don't do full LE because full LE could be too much for your body while feeding, and may negatively effect milk production and your health. True, it's not going to sway as hard as doing full LE but since breastfeeding sways pink by lowering fertility and taking many of the nutrients in your diet to make the milk, leaving you with very little anyway, you are more than making up for not doing full LE. Does that make sense?

You could have DH take hot bath or shower before bd, to sway a bit more, and you can do frequency tactics like abstain or fr too if you really want to make up some extra ground. There is plenty of info on those if you hunt around here.

Good luck!

[Tree]

Bump for atomic

I have read atomic's thoughts on DH's diet before, the consensus seems to be if DH does LE, it can't hurt, but its not necessary either. If he can go vegetarian, it may help lower his testosterone and sway pink. But LE and all the research points to it being most important for DW not DH.

Since you are brestfeeding, atomic has said go vegetarian don't do full LE because full LE could be too much for your body while feeding, and may negatively effect milk production and your health. True, it's not going to sway as hard as doing full LE but since breastfeeding sways pink by lowering fertility and taking many of the nutrients in your diet to make the milk, leaving you with very little anyway, you are more than making up for not doing full LE. Does that make sense?

You could have DH take hot bath or shower before bd, to sway a bit more, and you can do frequency tactics like abstain or fr too if you really want to make up some extra ground. There is plenty of info on those if you hunt around here.

Good luck!

Thank you! DH will be very pleased!! I've gone veggie and am trying to adopt the LE diet principles but not counting calories so my milk isn't effected. And if I eat something naughty I don't feel too guilty. The only thing that has really changed is not as much salt - I was addicted to crisps!! But I was never much of a meat eater. I am skipping breakfast... But as I said doesn't seem to be effecting my supply.

Also what are your thoughts on milk and calcium generally - opinions seem to be mixed and its rather confusing!

[meeks32]

Thank you! DH will be very pleased!! I've gone veggie and am trying to adopt the LE diet principles but not counting calories so my milk isn't effected. And if I eat something naughty I don't feel too guilty. The only thing that has really changed is not as much salt - I was addicted to crisps!! But I was never much of a meat eater. I am skipping breakfast... But as I said doesn't seem to be effecting my supply.

Also what are your thoughts on milk and calcium generally - opinions seem to be mixed and its rather confusing!

The milk calcium thing is a IG diet thing, here they don't believe it sways. LE is about low everything. You should be on skim milk (you may need to use full fat milk while feeding though, that's ok, you need the extra calories and protein) and skim everything (yoghurt, butter etc). Don't have much milk or cheese or your diet limits will be out the window in a flash. Many failed sways seem to have IG in common, that's not to say it can't work but I think loading with milk and cheese and yoghurt is kind of doing the opposite of what we are going for on LE. I still have as much as I can in my sway while sticking to the limits though, because you do need some calcium and protein.

Atomic did a big essay on calcium, and its sway or lack thereof. I will hunt it up.

Some of the info in the stickies is old and conflicting from the previous site manager and atomic is desperately trying to find time to clean it up, but she is often understandably in demand by our questions and providing support so it's taking time.

I'll hunt up some links.


Pleeeese keep in mind some of this can't work for you while feeding and I agree with atomic, sticking to calorie or fat or protein limits isn't healthy for you right now, and may stop you from ovulating entirely, as breast feeding often does anyway. Even skipping breakfast isn't good right now for you. Stick to 3 meals and don't snack. That would be healthier.

[meeks32]

Calcium: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/610-calcium-conundrum-controversial.html

[Tree]

Thank you Meeks! It's hard to think about giving up breakfast as I've got used to it so maybe I'll have it at 11 instead so just an hour earlier and not snack as you suggested.

Great info re mixing of diets, thank you.

In a way do you think overall it is slightly pointless to be trying to sway via diet whilst bf-ing? At 6months we will start weaning so I had thought it would be good to be well into the diet. I guess there is no way of knowing what my fertility will be doing at that stage... Perhaps I'm getting a bit ahead of myself. For some reason I expect it to take a while to conceive so am eager to get on with it. I'm also worried about miscarriage!

Presumably given the effects of the diet etc ttc a girl does take longer...?

[meeks32]

Thank you Meeks! It's hard to think about giving up breakfast as I've got used to it so maybe I'll have it at 11 instead so just an hour earlier and not snack as you suggested.

Great info re mixing of diets, thank you.

In a way do you think overall it is slightly pointless to be trying to sway via diet whilst bf-ing? At 6months we will start weaning so I had thought it would be good to be well into the diet. I guess there is no way of knowing what my fertility will be doing at that stage... Perhaps I'm getting a bit ahead of myself. For some reason I expect it to take a while to conceive so am eager to get on with it. I'm also worried about miscarriage!

Presumably given the effects of the diet etc ttc a girl does take longer...?

Why don't you approach it like a training run? Maybe keep breaky, or have it at 11 like you said, but give up snacks, just eat 3 larger (because you are breast feeding and need the nutrients) vegetarian meals a day, and focus on feeding your beautiful bub. While you do that keep researching the diet and swaying. I learnt things every month and often wished I'd known more sooner. Use this time for planning. If you aren't using contraception between now and when you make your attempts, start temping. Temps tell you when and if you ovulate, and can confirm when you start to again. Unfortunately they tell you after the fact, so it's only helpful once you have temped for a few months you can learn your cycle. Then you time your attempt (if you plan to do abstain or fr).

I'd chill for a few months and do all your planning, then once weaning has begin, ramp up on the diet (slowly). Listen to your body though. Don't do too much too soon. Feeding is hard work.

Yes it can take longer TTC girl, but not always.

[Tree]

Why don't you approach it like a training run? Maybe keep breaky, or have it at 11 like you said, but give up snacks, just eat 3 larger (because you are breast feeding and need the nutrients) vegetarian meals a day, and focus on feeding your beautiful bub. While you do that keep researching the diet and swaying. I learnt things every month and often wished I'd known more sooner. Use this time for planning. If you aren't using contraception between now and when you make your attempts, start temping. Temps tell you when and if you ovulate, and can confirm when you start to again. Unfortunately they tell you after the fact, so it's only helpful once you have temped for a few months you can learn your cycle. Then you time your attempt (if you plan to do abstain or fr).

I'd chill for a few months and do all your planning, then once weaning has begin, ramp up on the diet (slowly). Listen to your body though. Don't do too much too soon. Feeding is hard work.

Yes it can take longer TTC girl, but not always.

Unfortunately temping wont work for me as my sleep is so broken. I've been doing opk's so I can gauge how long my luteal phase is (last was just 6 days) and won't actively start ttc until its normal, so after having had a regular cycle. I was hoping that would be before the 6 month mark but that is seeming increasingly unlikely.
I'm not in a particular rush really, though I don't want a huge age gap. But thank you I will keep reading and learning as you suggest.

[1adorablebabyboymom]

Been reading all this. . . Would it be good to take a calcium supplement to ensure calcium, but not get the fat protein and calories that dairy products will give you? Also, if you do take one, is it bad if it has vit d, magnesium, etc. The balance of these helps you to absorb the calcium itself better, but can maybe give you too much nutrition (vitamins you don't want..) Thoughts, thanks!!

[meeks32]

Been reading all this. . . Would it be good to take a calcium supplement to ensure calcium, but not get the fat protein and calories that dairy products will give you? Also, if you do take one, is it bad if it has vit d, magnesium, etc. The balance of these helps you to absorb the calcium itself better, but can maybe give you too much nutrition (vitamins you don't want..) Thoughts, thanks!!

It's entirely up to you, but atomic's philosophy is 'low nutrient' sways girl, which means taking any kind of vitamins is a danger for pink swayers regardless of the lower calories fat and protein taking supps, you still get a massive boost in vitamins (nutrients) far higher than if you ate calcium, by taking it as a supplement. So in part you are on the right track, yes it's preferable to take it as a supplement rather than eating vast amounts of calcium laden foods which add fat and protein to your diet, but on the flip side the supplement version adds very high doses of calc/mag and could trick your body into thinking times are good, therefore sway boy.

Atomic's essay on calcium was what got me on her side with this, she went into detail about it and I really got it then.

I am doing a kind of half baked way to cover my bases by having dh take calc mag, but I take nothing. I do have enough dairy in my diet to survive and on days where I find I need extra fat/protein/cals I use dairy to top up.

[Shenanigans]

Because I have PCOS, I don't have a regular cycle at all (maybe once a year) and dont ovulate. I was able to get a cycle back by taking supplements and got pregnant with DS3 that first cycle. (I got pregnant with my first two boys on clomid)I take femaprin (vitex), magnesium, inositol, dim plus, Vit D3, Maca, Folic acid, and NAC to actually have a cycle and ovulate. I am attempting to to the LE diet but also don't want to affect ovulation either. Any advice? Is LE the best "girl" diet for someone with PCOS?

[meeks32]

Because I have PCOS, I don't have a regular cycle at all (maybe once a year) and dont ovulate. I was able to get a cycle back by taking supplements and got pregnant with DS3 that first cycle. (I got pregnant with my first two boys on clomid)I take femaprin (vitex), magnesium, inositol, dim plus, Vit D3, Maca, Folic acid, and NAC to actually have a cycle and ovulate. I am attempting to to the LE diet but also don't want to affect ovulation either. Any advice? Is LE the best "girl" diet for someone with PCOS?

Pm atomic about this. There are tweaks that are really important for pcos for LE diet. Good luck!

[atomic sagebrush]

Will this lessen my chances of getting a girl then if I were to get pregnant before 6months?

I don't know and unfortunately this is one of those things that will be different for every individual anyway. Sorry.

[atomic sagebrush]

Should DH do LE diet too?

No, he does not need to do LE diet but if he were to give up or reduce intake of red meat, all meat, eggs, oily fish, fat esp. healthy and saturated fat (transfat may sway pink to some extent) and eat more soy foods, this may help.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you! DH will be very pleased!! I've gone veggie and am trying to adopt the LE diet principles but not counting calories so my milk isn't effected. And if I eat something naughty I don't feel too guilty. The only thing that has really changed is not as much salt - I was addicted to crisps!! But I was never much of a meat eater. I am skipping breakfast... But as I said doesn't seem to be effecting my supply.

Also what are your thoughts on milk and calcium generally - opinions seem to be mixed and its rather confusing!

I do not believe calcium sways pink, nor do I think science generally supports the idea. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/610-calcium-conundrum-controversial.html (this is 3 parts, read all three, the links to the others are in this first one)

[atomic sagebrush]

Been reading all this. . . Would it be good to take a calcium supplement to ensure calcium, but not get the fat protein and calories that dairy products will give you? Also, if you do take one, is it bad if it has vit d, magnesium, etc. The balance of these helps you to absorb the calcium itself better, but can maybe give you too much nutrition (vitamins you don't want..) Thoughts, thanks!!

Well, even if (BIG IF) the calcium even sways pink, we have no way to know if we want it absorbed or if taking big doses and then forcing our bodies to get rid of the stuff may be swaying in some way.

I would avoid Vit. D like the PLAGUE. I think Vit D sways strongly blue and I have the blue swayers taking 1000IU of it and they are getting boys doing so.

[atomic sagebrush]

Because I have PCOS, I don't have a regular cycle at all (maybe once a year) and dont ovulate. I was able to get a cycle back by taking supplements and got pregnant with DS3 that first cycle. (I got pregnant with my first two boys on clomid)I take femaprin (vitex), magnesium, inositol, dim plus, Vit D3, Maca, Folic acid, and NAC to actually have a cycle and ovulate. I am attempting to to the LE diet but also don't want to affect ovulation either. Any advice? Is LE the best "girl" diet for someone with PCOS?

Bekerella I believe you've already found these but here are the two germane essays on swaying with PCOS for you or anyone else

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1865-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-1-blood-sugar-issues.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html

And I recommend Clomid if you can get it for a pink sway - even tho you got boys while taking it before, I think it's a great pink sway tactic particularly for anyone with PCOS

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7997-swaying-clomid-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-2-a.html

[Shenanigans]

Thanks for that! The most important ones I think for me to take are the Inositol (to balance blood sugar. both times I have started to take it I started a cycle within days and hadn't had one for over a year while breastfeeding DS2 and DS3) and Femaprin. I am going to try to cut back to those and folic acid and maybe the DIM Plus. I have very high estrogen so also high testosterone (I am guessing this because of always having ewcm and dark facial hairs, etc) I just started the DIM only 4-5 days ago or so and already notice that the hairs on my chin are not growing back like they used to. I'm just curious about being able to take it along with clomid because they both do something with estrogen. The DIM helps to metabolize and flush out the excess estrogen.

Going through and reading again I realized that alot of this is already spoken about.So sorry to waste your time! (Should I really quit DIM though before TTC when I have way too much estrogen and constant ewcm?) Although the aspartame has helped clear it up some too along with diet before starting the dim.

[32mummyof2]

Hi, I've heard things about not eating potato's? and also caffeine is that allowed? Thanks

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for that! The most important ones I think for me to take are the Inositol (to balance blood sugar. both times I have started to take it I started a cycle within days and hadn't had one for over a year while breastfeeding DS2 and DS3) and Femaprin. I am going to try to cut back to those and folic acid and maybe the DIM Plus. I have very high estrogen so also high testosterone (I am guessing this because of always having ewcm and dark facial hairs, etc) I just started the DIM only 4-5 days ago or so and already notice that the hairs on my chin are not growing back like they used to. I'm just curious about being able to take it along with clomid because they both do something with estrogen. The DIM helps to metabolize and flush out the excess estrogen.

Going through and reading again I realized that alot of this is already spoken about.So sorry to waste your time! (Should I really quit DIM though before TTC when I have way too much estrogen and constant ewcm?) Although the aspartame has helped clear it up some too along with diet before starting the dim.

Oh sorry somehow I missed this. I agree about the inositol, I think that can really help with PCOS.

taking something for 4 days simply can't affect your hair that fast. I wish that it would though!!

I think you should ask your doctor about Clomid and DIM. I wouldn't have people take them together, but s/he may have a different opinion.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi, I've heard things about not eating potato's? and also caffeine is that allowed? Thanks

Potatoes are totally allowed on LE Diet.

Caffeine is also allowed on LE Diet.

There are other diets that don't allow potatoes and caffeine but they are not LE Diet.

[lovemy2blessings]

Oh no!!! Not my oatmeal :(...is Arrowhead mills no sodium cereal ok"?

[atomic sagebrush]

is it fortified??? if it has a lot of vitamins in it, it's a no-no.

The sodium is about the least of your worries!!

[Alicewonder]

ok no eggs:) this is going to leave me a lot of room for more food since my 2 eggs were 12g. protein and 10g. fat. more candy for me:)

I haven't had any other foods on the no no list except a lil garlic/onion that's in my salsa:)


Candy? What candy? Lol

[atomic sagebrush]

candy is fine on LE Diet for anyone without PCOS/insulin resistance. Eat it with a meal rather than nibbling on it all day long

[Alicewonder]

crud im a nibbler lol

[Jmo0604]

Hello, I was trying to click on the link on page 1 to view the full LE Diet but it doesn't seem to allow me to view that page? Is there another place I can get more details on the diet?

[myurkanin817]

Are veggie burgers okay? I never had them & my mom & brother both said they taste AWFUL..... but I bought a pack and want to try them.. Even though I'll prolly end up throwing it out LOL.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hello, I was trying to click on the link on page 1 to view the full LE Diet but it doesn't seem to allow me to view that page? Is there another place I can get more details on the diet?

Full LE Diet is in the Dream Members section, for Dream Members only. :)

There is really tons of info on the diet, check out my signature below, go to the Index, and there are many threads that will help.

[atomic sagebrush]

Are veggie burgers okay? I never had them & my mom & brother both said they taste AWFUL..... but I bought a pack and want to try them.. Even though I'll prolly end up throwing it out LOL.

They're ok for diet, just fit in overall totals for the day.

I personally like them, but just don't expect a hamburger.

[stephk]

I personally love veggie burgers!! There is a range by dragonfly stocked at Waitrose and Ocado. I have the mushroom and garlic one - yum! I also love a slice of grilled halloumi and portobello mushroom in a burger bun.

[atomic sagebrush]

There is an asian flavored one that is really good with sweet and sour sauce https://www.morningstarfarms.com/products/burgers/asian-veggie-patties

[Princess Mom]

No oatmeal :( how about Special K bars? Are those okay?

[maidentomother]

As long as no oats or added vitamins. They are probably fortified unfortunately.

[atomic sagebrush]

No oatmeal :( how about Special K bars? Are those okay?

THey're probably pretty heavily fortified but on a day you're rushing around hither and yon and need something on the go, it won't kill ya. :)

Re oats - I woudln't sweat something like a bar that has a few individual oats floating around in the mix. I do want people to avoid or limit the oat breads and oatmeal every day.

[atomic sagebrush]

bump for new members

[beverlyjune]

Maybe I posted on an old thread so I'll repost here! How long should the LE diet be done before ttc? What is the maximum length of time on the diet? And what has typically gotten the best results.


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[Comptokl]

I am interested to know that as well, beverlyjune!


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[mandyp85]

Maybe I posted on an old thread so I'll repost here! How long should the LE diet be done before ttc? What is the maximum length of time on the diet? And what has typically gotten the best results.


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12 weeks or longer sees best results. As far as I am aware there is no maximum, it's a safe and healthy diet that you can stay on indefinitely :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Maybe I posted on an old thread so I'll repost here! How long should the LE diet be done before ttc? What is the maximum length of time on the diet? And what has typically gotten the best results.


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Minimum of 6 weeks, 12 weeks or more getting best results but take care if you're very thin to start with!!

Please also check out the LE Diet Faq which answers a lot of the questions people have. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/24628-le-diet-faq.html

[atomic sagebrush]

You can be on it as long as you want (and in fact that is partially why I made this diet to begin with, to have something safe in the long term) with a few changes that I mention in the FAQ thread.

[Comptokl]

Does anyone have the list of supplements for DH and DW that have had a marked impact on swaying for girl? I have vitex, cranberry, and antihistamines for myself plus folic acid. I discontinued everything else like calc and mag plus my prental vitamins. For DH I have licorice root and cranberry plus olive leaf??? Is there anything else?


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[Comptokl]

Ok, so atomic is working on my sway plan (thank you!! [emoji8]), and in the meantime I am trying to kick things into gear based on what I've been reading for awhile now from all of you!

Here's what I need input on so far...

I usually have a bit of dark chocolate at night but is this not recommended on the LE diet? If I need to cut it or should cut it, I will.

I have cut out meat for the most part and I'm watching calories and fat first, then low nutrients, sugar and sodium. I'm keeping caffeine.

I'm also postponing my breakfast until 10-11am, which is much later than I'm used to.... When I eat, I've been eating a low calorie turkey sausage and egg white sandwich around 11 on a white English muffin and then 2 cups of coffee, a small lunch with no meat and low fat/calories/nutrients, and then nothing until dinner which is also low calorie/low fat and no or very little meat. I've been drinking water and water with crystal light in between as well.

I'm using "my fitness pal" to track it all and doing an intense bootcamp for 60 mins 5 days a week in the early morning and I always do something on my own exercise wise on the weekend.

I stopped taking calcium and magnesium plus my prental and continued taking vitex and cranberry plus an antihistamine. I purchased licorice root, olive leaf, and cranberry for my husband to take but he has not started it yet. When should I ask him to start?

I purchased replens to try (if it's still recommended) but I will not use that until we first make our attempt at whatever time atomic recommends waiting while being on the LE diet awhile first.

Anything I should change or add or remove? Thank you all so much!! [emoji173]️


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[Comptokl]

BUMP... Anyone have any input on any of the above?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Did I answer everything in your sway plan and PM, Comp??

[Comptokl]

Yes!! Thank you so much atomic!! [emoji173]️[emoji5]️


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[Mums]

What is the best method to track all these levels? Fitness pal annoys me lately lol

Any other iOS option? Thanks

[atomic sagebrush]

I just used a pen and a pad of paper. Worked like a charm

[Mommy3boyz]

Atomic, just to confirm, you now recommend full fat dairy instead of skim milk correct? Just trying to figure out what to put in my coffee :) My kids and husband drink whole milk, and I usually buy skim for myself.

[atomic sagebrush]

It depends on the person. Some do skim, some do whole milk. It depends on your dietary needs. Whole milk is WAY better tasting in coffee though, that's for sure.

[Tink]

Hi, sorry im new to this and just having a look around the site and trying to figure everything out.
Has anyone with a spare few minutes got an example of what theyd normally eat in a day doing this diet?
Im struggling to picture how id fit that many calories in while keeping everything low? Is it just lots of small meals? Ah this swaying stuff is so confusing!
I normally skip breakfast, drink more coffee than i should through out the day, i eat a sandwhich or fast food for lunch, snack on chocolate or crisps in the afternoon and evening, and usually have a large dinner of pasta or potato heavy meal for dinner with meat and veggies. I dont really eat a lot of healthy stuff and dont really snack that much just if i get a bit peckish.
Iv generally eaten this way since my teens and iv got 3 sons already which looking back I had been dieting, exercising and feeling great about myself before concieving all of them, so im not sure what i should do this time for a girl...anyone got any advice or can point me towards a relvant thread? Thanks! Xx

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Tink! I see your other thread, haven't gotten to it yet but will within the next couple days.

We have a couple threads that are full of TONS of diet ideas!! Here is the one from 2017 https://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/57611-girl-diet-meal-ideas-2017-a.html and in the second post in that thread I posted a link to our previous diet idea thread which has even more ideas!!

It's really not hard once you add it all up, you'll see that it's actually (sadly) all too easy to make 600-800 cals in one sitting!!! You can have either 2 or 3 meals, whatever works for you, and I'd probably just continue what you're doing in terms of mealtimes but change up the amount of protein and fat to be in line with LE Diet recommendations (40-50 g protein, 30-60 g fat, and the protein and fat in fruit and veg does not count!)

[littlebee3]

Are there prepared plans for what to eat, as I do not have a clue how to calculate those calories...? My style of sway will be trying not to obsess which I am through life lean to, unfortunately, and I would like a plan of diet which would leave me without worrying but still peaceful with following the GD sway....

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, I have a 21 day diet plan available here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/payments.php

[littlebee3]

Yes, I have a 21 day diet plan available here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/payments.phpIs this included in Complete pink sway?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, the diet plan is included in the Complete Package.

[littlebee3]

Yes, the diet plan is included in the Complete Package.So if you REPEAT the diet plan all over again after it is over in 21 days, that is all right? I mean I do not need to buy 4 for 90 days for example....?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes or you can mix and match the various recipes in there however you want. :) Heck no, no need to buy 4! It's yours to keep forever.

BTW have you checked out the recipe threads in the DM section yet? Lots of good stuff in there too.

[Kari]

Hello! Can I have coffee in between meals or does this count as a snack? So say at 10am and then again at 4pm?

[atomic sagebrush]

As long as it's unsweetened or artificially sweetened it's fine between meals (you can have some milk or creamer in it but not the sugar sweetened kind). Anything with more than a few calories needs to be with a meal. :)

[Kari]

Thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

bump

[Mamato8kiddos]

Is there a list of all the guidelines how many calories protein etc you recommend I can’t seem to find anything to go by

[mrshrc]

Is lemon and hot water okay? I know it’s meant to lower PH but it helps curb my appetite.

[atomic sagebrush]

1500-1800 calories for most people. If weight comes off super fast you may need to go up to 1800-2000. A very few people go to 1200-1500 but that's only like 3% of people.

40-50 g of protein for most people (if you have PCOS, more than 30 lbs to spare, or have egg qualitty issues you need to increase to 50-60 g protein)

30-60 g fat for most people. (if you have PCOS, more than 30 lbs to spare, or have egg qualitty issues you need to increase to 50-60 g protein)

You don't count the small amounts of protein and fat in fruits or vegetables and you don't count calories in lower carb vegetables but you do in fruits and high carb vegetables.

[Mamato8kiddos]

Thank you I’m having the hardest time to get calories I’m only getting around 1100 but my fat is at 40 g which I’m guessing is to high for that low I’m also breastfeeding baby boy #7 who’s 9 months I’m not hungry at all I’m actually a lot fuller then I was before. Am I ok? Or what do I do to raise calories with out fat every vegetarian low fat recipe I find has hardly any calories

[atomic sagebrush]

Is lemon and hot water okay? I know it’s meant to lower PH but it helps curb my appetite.

Oh whoops I missed this post in this thread.

I personally doubt lemon water even sways blue. I have people do it for blue sways because it's good for them to drink water (to make more CM) and also to prevent them from doing the options that are much more dangerous for their healht (baking soda) and their sway (apple cider vinegar, which may lower blood sugar) I mostly have pink swayers avoid it just in case but totally fine if you want to use it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you I’m having the hardest time to get calories I’m only getting around 1100 but my fat is at 40 g which I’m guessing is to high for that low I’m also breastfeeding baby boy #7 who’s 9 months I’m not hungry at all I’m actually a lot fuller then I was before. Am I ok? Or what do I do to raise calories with out fat every vegetarian low fat recipe I find has hardly any calories

1100 calories is not allowed for anyone.

I want anyone breastfeeding to up calories to 1800-2000 at least to start with. If you really, really find you are making adequate milk on that, you can try 1500-1800 but I'd not go any lower than that while nursing.

I also recommend swayers who are nursing to eat 50-60 g protein and fat. So right there you will actually have more fat to play with to get those calories.

Can you tell me the types of foods you're eating and I'll tell you what to do differently?

[Mamato8kiddos]

Breakfast coffee
Lunch salad with ranch dressing and a bagel and cream cheese
Dinner rice and veggies I’ve have white chicken chili with salad, potato and salad I have only started this past week.

One other question my cycle has always been 25 to 28 days but these last couple months it dropped to 24 days and then out of no where started today which is 19 days 🤦🏼*♀️ How would I even find out ovulation last month I used a kit and had a positive so I’m assuming I’m ovulating.

[atomic sagebrush]

Try putting some other ingredients on the salad like egg or cheese or beans/nuts or even a bit of meat.

have soda or even juice with the salad and bagel, if you need some protein have it with the rice and veggies, cook them with more fat and have butter/sour cream on the potato. Again, soda pop or wine or even juice with dinner.

What about a dessert?

If you're pushing it with fat already like you say, you aren't going to be able to do all these things in one day but you have a lot of options here. Do keep in mind that the tiny amounts of protein and fat in fruits and veg, even potatoes, do not count. I suspect that if you dont' count the small amounts of fat in the salad and potato you'll find you have more fat to "spend" than you think.

[@boymomx2]

I'm new to this site, but have found the theories interesting. I've been doing a pretty decent LE diet for the past 4-6 weeks. However, today on O day, have had a slice of hearty pizza for lunch. Just one and the only thing I've eaten today. Curious to hear if one bad meal can affect the day of ovulation or is it more of an overall LE diet thats more affective?

Thanks.

[atomic sagebrush]

If doing anything for one day could affect a sway, we'd only do diet for one day! OUr data indicates doing diet 6+ weeks is acceptably effective, 12+ has best results, and 2-4 weeks has not been very effective. Given all that, it's impossible that one day of diet could do anything at all.

Pizza is actually a great LE Diet food (even if hearty) I bet if you found out the cal, protein, fat content you are still well within LE Diet limits!

I have a full guide to cheating here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/62454-guide-cheating-blue-pink.html

[Maureenhdez]

I am feeling a bit overwhelmed. I read on a post somewhere here that you should not eat carbs and protein together to prevent a steady high blood sugar level for ttc pink? Another place I saw not to eat sugar and protein together? But if I’m skipping breakfast and only eating lunch and dinner without snacking, how can I get the minimum amounts of protein, fat and calories for the day without eating these things together? [emoji30] If this is necessary, are there some meal options I should switch to? Even rice by itself has carbs and protein. TIA[emoji177]


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[atomic sagebrush]

Mixing carbs and protein is for blue swayers, not pink. You can eat protein and carbs at any meal.

If you show me where those things were written I can clarify or correct the posts if they were in error.

What you are doing is 100% correct already. Eat 2-3 meals a day, avoid snacks, and you can have whatever you want at each individual meal.

[Maureenhdez]

Hallelujah!! What a relief to hear that! Thank you! I can’t remember exactly where I read that. I was just reading through some posts and saw it somewhere. I will try to look for it and let you know if I see it again. Thank you!!


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[Dreamer560]

Hiya iv looked everywhere for the le diet plan And can’t find it thanks xx

[atomic sagebrush]

It's the first post in this thread. Here's a link to make it easier. https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/16780-low-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html

[sarakmo]

Hi All! New here, it will be a while until we TTC again, had a beautiful healthy DS Jan 2017 and it’s pretty funny how boy-friendly (healthy fats, frequent eating/snacking on high nutrient foods, lots of avocados!) my habits were at that time although very limited dairy. We also conceived right at Ovulation I believe but I have very long / irregular / unpredictable cycles that can only be regulated through attention to diet. I also have a gluten-intolerance and do take probiotics daily (just to help with bloating) which looks like I’ll need to give up. Also if my weight drops too low my periods just don’t come, I have smaller frame and lower BMI.

I have a few questions around how to prepare for a healthy conception TTC DD. Part of me feels bad in that I want to still have healthy diet for the baby! A big shift for me will be larger, less frequent meals, I think I can do that.
- probiotics must go right?
- what cooking oils should be used? is coconut oil ok or is EVOO preferred? help!
- what about Apple cider vinegar?
- how about dark leafy greens like kale, higher in calcium?
- Can I use a OPK?
- can I still put a little unsweetened vanilla almond milk in coffee ? about 10 cals
- Should DH frequent release up until we try?
- would fast walking for 1 hr a day count as the cardio part? I definitely am considered active but with toddler and the yoga I did I have leaner muscle which apparently sways blue right?

Will probably post more but this is a good start ;)


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[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome.

If you need the probiotics for your health, then continue them, but you're right in that I think they sway blue and don't recommend them for pink swayers.

Avoid coconut oil and EVOO if possible in favor of things like corn oil, canola oil, margarine and the more processed oils. I f you can't stand eating them, EVOO is better than butter or coconut oil

ACV is fine in dietary amounts, I would avoid taking it in supplemental form/doses

All foods are allowed on LE Diet. Dark leafy greens are free and unlimited, have as much as you want, no need to count them or limit them.

Yes please DO use OPK! :agree:

Yes absolutely you can have some type of whitener in your coffee and that almond milk is fine.

I prefer you guys keep FR to 7-10 days before your planned attempt. More than that and hubbies start having a lot of trouble performing and there's too little sperm to seal the deal. 14 days max.

Yes walking is my fave form of exercise - it works and it is much less llikely to cause injury than more challenging forms of exercise.

Ready and waiting to answer any other q's you have!

[ruupau]

Hi thank you sagebrush, what do you propose about spinach and broccoli as they seem to increase testosterone,

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[atomic sagebrush]

They don't. People post a lot of stuff on line but you will not find a weight lifter on planet Earth who eats nothing but spinach and broccoli because they do not raise testosterone. You would waste away to nothing eating those foods and your testosterone would be nil.. To raise testosterone you need fat, protein, and calories.

We have tons of people who have eating lots of those things and gotten girls while doing so.

Plus, testosterone has never been proven to sway anyway. It's just a theory and was never tested using blood tests or anything relliable to even see if it is true!

[Maureenhdez]

I’m looking for foods/drinks that only have calories but no fat or protein. I have been drinking soda and eating marshmallows, but have been getting indigestion from them. I know I should stay away from iced tea, but can I drink lemonade or Gatorade instead? Besides fruit and veggies (it seems you need to eat a lot of these to gain calories), I’m having a hard time finding foods that are high in calories but no fat/protein that won’t upset my stomach.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Fruit, potatoes

yes you can have lemonade, but not gatorade as it has added nutrients.

What are your limits for fat and protein?? We may want to up these.

[Maureenhdez]

I am eating 30-60g of fat and 40-50g of protein each day and 1500-1800 calories each day.


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[atomic sagebrush]

go up to 50-60 g fat consistently, and it becomes very much easier to hit the cal limits.

Increasing protein is less helpful because it has the same amount of calories as carbs does.

[Maureenhdez]

Sooo, about how many cheats per month would be ok? Just wondering, when I have times that I’ve been really good on the LE diet and other times not as great. If you were to guesstimate, about how often can I go over one (or more) of the nutrient amounts per month, but not ruin my sway?


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[atomic sagebrush]

That is not something I can quantify. People need to have the number of cheats they need to have. This is all variable and depends on the nutrient stores people have and the type of diet they're eating and I don't have anything approaching the kind of data I'd need to be able to tell anyone that (even in the most general sense). If you haven't already seen it, I have the guide to cheating on diet here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/62454-guide-cheating-blue-pink.html

[laurelw]

Is there something we can sub in if we don’t drink alcohol?

We had a successful girl sway with it last time. But don’t drink anymore.. or possibly would once a week but that’s not enough?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Whatever you like.

We don't know how much it takes. If you want to have a drink once a week it's fine. At worst it just wouldn't help your sway.

[paul121george]

I only really drink red bush tea or peppermint tea. Not a great lover of coffees. What would the best tea be for me to sway pink ?
Thanks.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Whatever kind of tea you want but please keep any one kind of herb tea (including ingredient blends, so if you're having licorice or peppermint in blends of tea, still keep them limited) to 2-3 times a week. So you could have red bush 2-3 times a week, pep tea 2-3 times a week, hibiscus 2-3 times a week, etc. You just don't want to be drinking medicinal quantities of any type of herb tea.

[Babygirldream]

Somewhat urgent... I have to go out to dinner in an hour. What should I order at an Italian restaurant for the LE diet? [emoji32]

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[Verena]

Somewhat urgent... I have to go out to dinner in an hour. What should I order at an Italian restaurant for the LE diet? [emoji32]

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[Babygirldream]

Pizza with very little cheese or pasta with tomato basil sauce... And a salad with veggies only. Enjoy! [emoji2]

Gesendet von meinem SM-G970F mit TapatalkAhh, just in time! I'll go with that and easy a small portion. Thank you!

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[atomic sagebrush]

Somewhat urgent... I have to go out to dinner in an hour. What should I order at an Italian restaurant for the LE diet? [emoji32]

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Oh shoot I only just saw this. Anything vegetarian is fine, and the hint is to get full quickly and take 1/2 or even 2/3 of your meal home in a doggy bag!

[Babygirldream]

Oh shoot I only just saw this. Anything vegetarian is fine, and the hint is to get full quickly and take 1/2 or even 2/3 of your meal home in a doggy bag!Thank you so much. I ended up going with a garden salad with iceberg lettuce (avoided tomato and no dressing), and pasta with the sauce on the side (which I didn't touch) , and I took home about half. It's quite hard dining with people who don't know what you're doing - I feel like people may be worried I have an eating disorder of some description [emoji28]

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[atomic sagebrush]

You can usually have sauce totally fine. There's likely no reason at all to avoid pasta sauces!!

You can absolutely have salad dressing! In fact it's a great way to get some fat!

[YesIcan2020]

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[atomic sagebrush]

whoops was there a question?? I"m not seeing it.

[Kazzz]

yes, their protein is higher but there is hardly any cals in them. some people have trouble getting too many cals and not enough protein so egg white is a good option for htem.

Egg yolks are chock full of nutrients and cholesterol that sway blue. It's ok to have them on occasion or to use as an ingredient, but eating them all the time is not a good idea at all and not LE.

the only reason I have sodium low is because that's the recommendation of the FGD. (basically, can't hurt, may help) I do not believe it's necessary, I think the FGD is nonsensical, and I didn't do it when I got my girl.



Can I have black coffee with no sweetener as an afternoon snack? Is it 0 everything?

[atomic sagebrush]

YES!

[PINKwish16]

Hi, just wandering what is the pros/extras of paying for a package is. I saw a link for a 21 day meal plan on this thread (I think it was this thread), but wondered if that’s what’s given with the package? �� would I get a bit more advice and personal direction by signing up? Also is it completely private with direct contact with yourself atomic? The thought of starting a sway just makes me feel sick with nerves, in my head I know I’ll have another boy even with the best sway on paper, so sometimes I think surely I’m able to find info I need on the available threads but then I wonder if it’s better to go through a plan properly, as I don’t want to be overthinking all things and possibly obsessing. I’m not particularly worried about including everything like ph and sups but would like to know if what I’m doing is in the right direction with exercise/diet/frequency. I’m finding the food side of things a bit overwhelming, I’m worried I’m going to be obsessing and checking packets to add up the totals �� I eat large portions so I’ll be worried I’ll still be going over all the time. I just don’t want to end up being all control freaky and have to check things all the time.

[Kazzz]

whoops was there a question?? I"m not seeing it.

I'm not seeing a question either but divine timing you just pop into my email when I'm going back and forth of gels no gels and compression or no compression release. I'm on a fb page which is having me in two minds but my gut was just telling me to listen to you stick to the plan then this notification popped into my email must be a sign 😍 I mean dh lifestyle is a strong girl sway and I'm swaying very strong in every other way except timing gels and abstaining or fr or compression. Sorry for the random message was just getting side tracked by the girls on the fb page saying if I don't lower ph I'll get another boy but this email has me refocused me. I'm staying off fb till after ovulation which is in 4 days. I'm back on track. 🤞🤰

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi, just wandering what is the pros/extras of paying for a package is. I saw a link for a 21 day meal plan on this thread (I think it was this thread), but wondered if that’s what’s given with the package? �� would I get a bit more advice and personal direction by signing up? Also is it completely private with direct contact with yourself atomic? The thought of starting a sway just makes me feel sick with nerves, in my head I know I’ll have another boy even with the best sway on paper, so sometimes I think surely I’m able to find info I need on the available threads but then I wonder if it’s better to go through a plan properly, as I don’t want to be overthinking all things and possibly obsessing. I’m not particularly worried about including everything like ph and sups but would like to know if what I’m doing is in the right direction with exercise/diet/frequency. I’m finding the food side of things a bit overwhelming, I’m worried I’m going to be obsessing and checking packets to add up the totals �� I eat large portions so I’ll be worried I’ll still be going over all the time. I just don’t want to end up being all control freaky and have to check things all the time.

I make a personalized plan for you that is everything but diet, including frequency (it has personalized diet tips but not a full personalized diet) and then I help you in your coaching forum that comes with the plan to work out all your diet and exercise needs. (plus of course any other questions you have). I don't do personalized diets because firstly, I wuld have to charge a small fortune for them and it would drastically limit the number of people I could work with, and secondly because they suck and are terrible!! Premade diets often are very hard to stick to because you end up with all these meals and foods that you and your family may not even like, plus they tend to be uberexpensive. Working together in the coaching forum allows me to help you using foods that you like, are familiar with, and everyone in your household already enjoys, and it is MUCH easier to stick with a diet that way than something someone a half a world away made up.

I answer the custom coaching forums daily (sometimes it will take me several days to get back to you in the free forums) and with a much greater level of detail, plus it's private so only you and I can see what we talk about there.

The 21 day diet comes with the TTC a Girl Bundle (along with the plan) and it has meal suggestions, recipes, and some additional references you may find helpful.

Most of the time with the tracking food, we only do it for a couple weeks and then you'll have the hang of it. You don't need to track forever, just till you get an image of what you should be eating, and then you can track much more loosely (basically just to be sure you're not cutting back too far.)

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not seeing a question either but divine timing you just pop into my email when I'm going back and forth of gels no gels and compression or no compression release. I'm on a fb page which is having me in two minds but my gut was just telling me to listen to you stick to the plan then this notification popped into my email must be a sign �� I mean dh lifestyle is a strong girl sway and I'm swaying very strong in every other way except timing gels and abstaining or fr or compression. Sorry for the random message was just getting side tracked by the girls on the fb page saying if I don't lower ph I'll get another boy but this email has me refocused me. I'm staying off fb till after ovulation which is in 4 days. I'm back on track. ����

Yes, the FB pages just keep doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result, but we started this site because so many of us (myself included) got opposites doing things that way. I got my 4th boy with pH of 4.5-5 range that never went up till I was already pregnant, I got my boys with cutoffs and my girl right before O, my husband was doing regular release (supposedly blue friendly) when we got our girl.

We have tracked our results with the pH jellies and douching, even had them analyzed by a statistician and they just don't work. It's totally fine to use them at the start but you should def. drop them before adding attempts. (remember the important thing is the one attempt.)

Timing has been debunked by dozens of studies. It's by far the most studied aspect of swaying and if there was anything to it, we would know it beyond a shadow of a doubt now. Most of the people who say timing worked for them have no idea when they actually ovulated and this too has been proven in studies - even highly trained people could not pinpoint their ovulation any better than one in three days. It's fine to try it if you want but drop it before adding attempts.

Whether you do FR or abstain really doesn't matter very much, so please just follow your gut. The more you fret over these things, the more inner debate you do, it starts to get very control freakish and that mindset sways more blue than any difference between FR and abstain ever will. Even if you have to put the options in a hat and pull one out (or even do regular release instead, with the one attempt) Just be sure you drop these before adding attempts.

I did want to touch base with you - memory serves you are on Clomid, right??? Clomid has been proven to sway, but you can't be on it indefinitely, so another thing to consider is that by doing these things that don't work and cut odds of conception hugely you may end up wasting your chances on Clomid because you can't get pregnant!! So it's best to move up your timeline to support conceiving on Clomid vs. pursuing tactics that do not work and prevent conception. :)

[PINKwish16]

I make a personalized plan for you that is everything but diet, including frequency (it has personalized diet tips but not a full personalized diet) and then I help you in your coaching forum that comes with the plan to work out all your diet and exercise needs. (plus of course any other questions you have). I don't do personalized diets because firstly, I wuld have to charge a small fortune for them and it would drastically limit the number of people I could work with, and secondly because they suck and are terrible!! Premade diets often are very hard to stick to because you end up with all these meals and foods that you and your family may not even like, plus they tend to be uberexpensive. Working together in the coaching forum allows me to help you using foods that you like, are familiar with, and everyone in your household already enjoys, and it is MUCH easier to stick with a diet that way than something someone a half a world away made up.

I answer the custom coaching forums daily (sometimes it will take me several days to get back to you in the free forums) and with a much greater level of detail, plus it's private so only you and I can see what we talk about there.

The 21 day diet comes with the TTC a Girl Bundle (along with the plan) and it has meal suggestions, recipes, and some additional references you may find helpful.

Most of the time with the tracking food, we only do it for a couple weeks and then you'll have the hang of it. You don't need to track forever, just till you get an image of what you should be eating, and then you can track much more loosely (basically just to be sure you're not cutting back too far.)


Thank you, that sounds great. Should I go for the TTC girl bundle then? As I don’t think I need the ebooks? I’m looking to start next year I think so I guess with the bundle should I get it 4months or so prior to when we want to start trying and then renew when the 6month pass?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes just get whichever one you prefer just be sure it says "personalized plan" and not the ready made plan. The personalized plan is the one that comes with the coaching.

Yes it makes sense to get it a few months ahead, and then you can renew if you need to. :)

[Kazzz]

Yes, the FB pages just keep doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result, but we started this site because so many of us (myself included) got opposites doing things that way. I got my 4th boy with pH of 4.5-5 range that never went up till I was already pregnant, I got my boys with cutoffs and my girl right before O, my husband was doing regular release (supposedly blue friendly) when we got our girl.

We have tracked our results with the pH jellies and douching, even had them analyzed by a statistician and they just don't work. It's totally fine to use them at the start but you should def. drop them before adding attempts. (remember the important thing is the one attempt.)

Timing has been debunked by dozens of studies. It's by far the most studied aspect of swaying and if there was anything to it, we would know it beyond a shadow of a doubt now. Most of the people who say timing worked for them have no idea when they actually ovulated and this too has been proven in studies - even highly trained people could not pinpoint their ovulation any better than one in three days. It's fine to try it if you want but drop it before adding attempts.

Whether you do FR or abstain really doesn't matter very much, so please just follow your gut. The more you fret over these things, the more inner debate you do, it starts to get very control freakish and that mindset sways more blue than any difference between FR and abstain ever will. Even if you have to put the options in a hat and pull one out (or even do regular release instead, with the one attempt) Just be sure you drop these before adding attempts.

I did want to touch base with you - memory serves you are on Clomid, right??? Clomid has been proven to sway, but you can't be on it indefinitely, so another thing to consider is that by doing these things that don't work and cut odds of conception hugely you may end up wasting your chances on Clomid because you can't get pregnant!! So it's best to move up your timeline to support conceiving on Clomid vs. pursuing tactics that do not work and prevent conception. :)

Exactly what I've been thinking lately I'm on clomid yes and I'm worried that I am wasting my chances on it by using this swaying tactics that don't work.

What is your recommendation for dh release pattern? I think you said it doesn't matter have him release a few days before attempt to clean the pipes lol is that right so him releasing tonight which will be 3 days before ovulation is perfect? The girls also really believe in releasing stuff so eith fr or abstaining or cr are a must so they say and the say a release days before attempt sways strong for a boy

[atomic sagebrush]

It's so funny about people believing in the releasing stuff since I was the one who made FR up in the first place when abstain was proven to be unsafe for men over 35. :/ So I promise - there is not some big body of data proving FR works, I literally made it up personally based on the idea of trying to lower sperm count without abstain. I used studies that showed FR lowered sperm count, and since stuff that lowered sperm count seemed to sway pink, we tried it as a sway tactic. But it hasn't panned out and it's pretty amazing to me that FR has taken on such a life of its own considering there's not any hard evidence in support of it.

Since you're on Clomid I would have your hubby doing regular release every 2-4 days. You don't have to time it a certain number of days before your attempt. Just have your husband clearing the pipes regularly and then when it comes time to have your attempt, have it whenever that OPK comes. At some point soon we'll need to switch you to e4d anyway so you don't waste all that Clomid without having viable attempts, so I'd love to see you give regular release plus one attempt a month before having to go to e4d anyway. :)

[lauradeanna]

FGD? Stands for what?

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[atomic sagebrush]

FGD? Stands for what?

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French Gender Diet but this is not appropriate for you to follow because of your high testosterone.

[Yane85]

Hi Atomic, I just wanted to seek your advice. I think I've gone too far with the LE diet and dropped too much weight. Im naturally very skinny and just losing a few pounds affects me greatly. Last time I weighted myself a few weeks ago I was 118, and im 5 feet 6.5 inches tall. Well now I was about to get my LH surge but all of the sudden it stalled.

I already decided to increase fat and caloric intake but my question for you is: is there anything I can do to help my body ovulate THIS CYCLE? Im on CD 13 today, my husband took days off so we can try conceiving (hes a pilot) and now this happens. I'm heart broken since I REALLY wanted to conceive this month. Attached are my LH strips.
Do you think ovulation might still happen and it's just delayed? Yesterday I started getting sticky and stretchy cervical mucus but today I don't see any.43048

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[atomic sagebrush]

You were already below the cutoff of BMI 21 before you started the diet. We would have ideally not wanted you to lose any weight at all.

If you're that low in weight you can't be leaving it weeks without checking. From here on in you need to do whatever it takes to keep weight on.

Add in a serving of full fat dairy daily, 4-6 eggs a week, a serving of salmon if you like it, red meat if you don't every week. Drop fiber if you were taking it.

I can't tell if you're coming up on ovulation or not. But yes, you WILL still ovulate, it just will be later than normal. Not ovulating at all is pretty unusual; it can happen but far more often you'll just O later.

What I would do is be having every 4 day attempts to cover yourself, and then if your hubby has to go back to work, have sex right before he leaves and then right away when he gets back.

[Yane85]

You were already below the cutoff of BMI 21 before you started the diet. We would have ideally not wanted you to lose any weight at all.

If you're that low in weight you can't be leaving it weeks without checking. From here on in you need to do whatever it takes to keep weight on.

Add in a serving of full fat dairy daily, 4-6 eggs a week, a serving of salmon if you like it, red meat if you don't every week. Drop fiber if you were taking it.

I can't tell if you're coming up on ovulation or not. But yes, you WILL still ovulate, it just will be later than normal. Not ovulating at all is pretty unusual; it can happen but far more often you'll just O later.

What I would do is be having every 4 day attempts to cover yourself, and then if your hubby has to go back to work, have sex right before he leaves and then right away when he gets back.Thanks Atomic! I weighted myself yesterday and im 116 lbs. This is a weight I know I can't get because a few years ago I reached 115 and did not get my period for 1 month. I feel so stupid for doing this to myself. My husband is leaving tomorrow but I think he wont be back for 2 weeks.
My opk's are still not getting darker.
I added full fat milk, strawberries, almonds and prunes to my diet to try to increase calories. I stopped taking fiber for now.
If you have any other suggestions on how to increase weight and balance out my hormones let me know.
Thank you!!

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[atomic sagebrush]

Give me a sample of your day.

Strawberries and prunes are fine to eat but they aren't going to be great at keeping weight on. I would do dairy/eggs/salmon combo I mentioned, continue the almonds if you like them, and then we need to add something with calories even if that means sugary stuff to keep cals coming in. But it may be you can exchange some foods for others and I can help with that if you let me know what you were eating before.

[Yane85]

Give me a sample of your day.

Strawberries and prunes are fine to eat but they aren't going to be great at keeping weight on. I would do dairy/eggs/salmon combo I mentioned, continue the almonds if you like them, and then we need to add something with calories even if that means sugary stuff to keep cals coming in. But it may be you can exchange some foods for others and I can help with that if you let me know what you were eating before.

While on the LE Diet I was skipping breakfast, lunch around 1pm was chicken alredo pasta or rice/beans/chicken or sometimes 1 slice of pizza. For dinner a very small sandwich with a little of cheese and 1 slice of ham and a cup of low fat milk. Everything I ate was small portions which I am not used to because I normally eat a lot even though im skinny.
I was doing everything differently than when I conceived my son because I ALWAYS used to eat breakfast and it was usually eggs, also I used to eat salmon and nutrient dense foods, huge portions of food and snacking often.


I don't think I'll ovulate this cycle, my opk's are getting lighter

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[atomic sagebrush]

do you have totals for fat, protein, and calories?

You can have OPK that go darker and lighter and then still ovulate later on.

[Yane85]

do you have totals for fat, protein, and calories?

You can have OPK that go darker and lighter and then still ovulate later on.Hello Atomic,
I did not count calories, fat and proteins, I didn't know how to do it. I just tried to eat a lot less than what I normally do, avoid nutritious foods and avoid snacking and skip breakfast.
Regarding the opk's you were absolutely right as usual!! It seems like my ovulation got delayed.
My opk's started getting darker on CD 16 and I got my peak on CD 17 morning.
Since my husband was leaving on CD 16 in the morning I tried that same morning, BUT I had another attempt on CD 13.
I ran out of opks but I was still able to pinpoint my positive opk and peak. Attached are the pictures. Honestly since the attempt was before my peak I highly doubt that I conceived. Also, I did not have much ewcm during my last attempt.
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[atomic sagebrush]

I can't sign off on people's diets without that information. You can't just eat less. That ends up with people starving themselves and delaying or even stopping their ovulation. EVen if you could just take a random day and add it up I could be of more help.

Actually that's not a terrible time for an attempt. You're in with a chance!

[Yane85]

I can't sign off on people's diets without that information. You can't just eat less. That ends up with people starving themselves and delaying or even stopping their ovulation. EVen if you could just take a random day and add it up I could be of more help.

Actually that's not a terrible time for an attempt. You're in with a chance!How do I measure how much fat, protein and carbohydrates I eat in each meal? Do I weigh the chicken and then calculate the protein and fat? How about rice for example? You probably know of a website that can teach me how to do this?

To be honest, what was making me starve was skipping breakfast, it was killing. Since I'm naturally skinny with fast metabolism I think fasting is not the right strategy for me.

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[atomic sagebrush]

In most cases, the labels have the information. In other cases you can look it up on line. Personally I find that just figuring it out yourself using the serving info on the back of food labels and on Google is actually less confusing than the websites but a lot of people use My Fitness Pal.

You do not need to weigh your food. Just use a basic portion size. There are lots of pictorials online that will show you what a serving looks like. It's honestly easier than it sounds, once you get the general idea which only takes a couple days you'll be able to do it just in your head without even really having to think about it much.

If you need to add in breakfast that's fine. Some people have done that.

[Yane85]

In most cases, the labels have the information. In other cases you can look it up on line. Personally I find that just figuring it out yourself using the serving info on the back of food labels and on Google is actually less confusing than the websites but a lot of people use My Fitness Pal.

You do not need to weigh your food. Just use a basic portion size. There are lots of pictorials online that will show you what a serving looks like. It's honestly easier than it sounds, once you get the general idea which only takes a couple days you'll be able to do it just in your head without even really having to think about it much.

If you need to add in breakfast that's fine. Some people have done that.Ok, thank you!

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[PINKwish16]

Hi atomic, for pink swaying are the high fat & protein, but low carb and calorie intermittent fasting diets good? Where you fast for say 16hrs then eat your daily calories in an 8hr window eg between 11am and 7pm. I am not swaying just yet and plan to purchase a plan. It was just general curiosity of whether it’s a pink friendly diet. X

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, that can be beneficial for swaying pink but you need to make sure you're not only overeating in that time frame but also getting enough. Many people end up unable to get enough cals in that smaller time window.

[Thirdtimelucky01]

How do I measure how much fat, protein and carbohydrates I eat in each meal? Do I weigh the chicken and then calculate the protein and fat? How about rice for example? You probably know of a website that can teach me how to do this?

To be honest, what was making me starve was skipping breakfast, it was killing. Since I'm naturally skinny with fast metabolism I think fasting is not the right strategy for me.

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Hi Yane85,

Just wanted to tell you that as Atomic said you don’t have to skip breakfast. I’m pregnant with my girl now and I had breakfast every day, just not as nutritious as before (say, a toast with cheese or jam instead of eggs and bacon). I also had all my 3 meals in about 8 hour window (10am to 6pm) and then fasted overnight. Eat decent meals, just reduce animal protein and don’t snack in between. I’m also a massive breakfast eater so having breakfast at 10am and then lunch at 12.30pm got me through the day without thinking about food all the time. Also, I think 1hr cardio is one of the best sway tactics Atomic suggests, at least it worked for me (I have two boys and I’m same height and skinny as you are but I never did cardio in my life before). Good luck and pink dust!


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