Need Clear Answer's to my questions Please!!!!

[wannagirl21]

So I am getting a couple different opinions and advise on Vitex. I am planning my first attempt in April and want to know when I should start Vitex and SP? Also I want to know about sudafed if I can give it to the hubby the day of out attempt and when? and he will be on cranberry if it is even okay to give him the sudafed on cranberry? A little confused so need help asap.:worry:

[atomic sagebrush]

That's because no one knows what is the right thing to do.

I generally recommend starting V and SP 6 weeks before your first attempt, so take it AF-day before expected O 2 months in a row and TTC that second month.

Sudafed for hubby 1-2 hours before. It's ok to give him, men seem to tolerate it better and it is just ONE dose, don't give it to him to days on end.

[wannagirl21]

That's because no one knows what is the right thing to do.

I generally recommend starting V and SP 6 weeks before your first attempt, so take it AF-day before expected O 2 months in a row and TTC that second month.

Sudafed for hubby 1-2 hours before. It's ok to give him, men seem to tolerate it better and it is just ONE dose, don't give it to him to days on end.

Okay so let me get this straight; I take it ONLY six weeks priar to my very first attempt. But if I don't conceive then get back on it before my second attempt?? still a little confused. also I would really like to get prego in April so do you think I should make my very first attempt in March or stick with April and if I don't conceive in April then would May be better to try and conceive a girl or is March and April or April and May? (make sense?) Are you saying I probably wont get prego my first attempt on V? sorry so much I just don't want to miss my boat with the good girl months thats all..

[BeadinMom]

She is saying you should START it 6 weeks before your first attempt. Meaning take it from right after AF ends until 2 days before you ovulate or expect to get a positive opk. (You take SP and Vitex this way)
If you're taking the Vitex to sway, you're fine to make your attempt whenever...if you're taking it to regulate ovulation or move it up (to lengthen your luteal phase) then it usually takes at least 3 months to see a change.
If you're worried about "girl months" vs. "boy months" - a LOT of people have conceived opposites during these months, Atomic included.
Here's the essay on the seasons and swaying...
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion-ttc-boy-girl-home-swaying-info/1693-seasons-swaying.html

Hope this helps...
I will say, you might also want to consider that higher levels of testosterone tend to sway boy, so it's best to try to relax when swaying. ( http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/9932-tips-avoid-swaysession.html )

Good luck!!

[Boymomsrock]

Exactly what beadin said.

[wannagirl21]

She is saying you should START it 6 weeks before your first attempt. Meaning take it from right after AF ends until 2 days before you ovulate or expect to get a positive opk. (You take SP and Vitex this way)
If you're taking the Vitex to sway, you're fine to make your attempt whenever...if you're taking it to regulate ovulation or move it up (to lengthen your luteal phase) then it usually takes at least 3 months to see a change.
If you're worried about "girl months" vs. "boy months" - a LOT of people have conceived opposites during these months, Atomic included.
Here's the essay on the seasons and swaying...
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion-ttc-boy-girl-home-swaying-info/1693-seasons-swaying.html

Hope this helps...
I will say, you might also want to consider that higher levels of testosterone tend to sway boy, so it's best to try to relax when swaying. ( http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/9932-tips-avoid-swaysession.html )

Good luck!!

Ya I know I just had some lady tell me to start it 3 months ahead but didn't explain why, and that what I wanted to know and I will be taking V to sway. Also I know women have conceived in oposite girl or boy months but I did read some where where Atomic said if you have the liberty to pick when you want to conceive she suggested doing it in the girl months so yuou have more on your side. And I'm not too worried I originally planned to try and conceive in April that was my plan. Also I think one time Atomic told me to start it first day of AF which is cd1 she didn't say at the end of my AF. thats why I am confused on what everyone is telling me. And when I get a solid sway plan down I'm just gonna go with it and not stress about it thats why I'm getting all my info and my plan down so I'm prepared.:happy:

[BeadinMom]

I included the essay on seasons and swaying for you - so you can decide if it's important to you. A lot of ladies do believe in it. Personally, I do not. The Chinese who value boys over girls would have a disproportionate amount of boys over girls - they don't. It also doesn't explain fraternal twins. Boys and girls are born every single day of the year - in fact, my mother and her male nephew share the same birthday.

CD1 is the first day of AF. I didn't take it during AF as it made it much lighter for me...some ladies have said it made it much heavier for them. If you want to take it during AF, it won't hurt anything.

[hopingforsaskia]

The reason I mentioned taking vitex for 3 months (and I did explain this in your other thread) ... is because it can take up to 3 months to really do its thing to your system. Vitex and Saw Palmetto will CHANGE your cycle somewhat, so the fact that vitex won't harm anything makes it ok to start sooner rather than later and give it a real chance to work well. :) Saw Palmetto is not ideal to take for months and months on end. It needs 6 weeks minimum to do what it is going to do, so if you take it for 2 weeks of AF-O (or day before O as Atomic suggested) and then have a 2 week break, and then once AF resumes again take it for the other 2 weeks (ish) you will have done what is required to make it effective for swaying. Does that make sense? :) sorry if you felt my answer was a little ambiguous .. I'm a girl swayer too and have been reading up atomic's essays since early this year. I sometimes even now find myself confused and bewildered by certain aspects of swaying.. So I get that it's a bit to take in. ;)

[wannagirl21]

I included the essay on seasons and swaying for you - so you can decide if it's important to you. A lot of ladies do believe in it. Personally, I do not. The Chinese who value boys over girls would have a disproportionate amount of boys over girls - they don't. It also doesn't explain fraternal twins. Boys and girls are born every single day of the year - in fact, my mother and her male nephew share the same birthday.

CD1 is the first day of AF. I didn't take it during AF as it made it much lighter for me...some ladies have said it made it much heavier for them. If you want to take it during AF, it won't hurt anything.

Ya Ive already read the essay, my husband and I this summer just decided to try in April and I read the essay and it so happened to be a girl month. So typically I'm not too hung up on girl or boy months I just wanted to see what was best .:wink:

[wannagirl21]

The reason I mentioned taking vitex for 3 months (and I did explain this in your other thread) ... is because it can take up to 3 months to really do its thing to your system. Vitex and Saw Palmetto will CHANGE your cycle somewhat, so the fact that vitex won't harm anything makes it ok to start sooner rather than later and give it a real chance to work well. :) Saw Palmetto is not ideal to take for months and months on end. It needs 6 weeks minimum to do what it is going to do, so if you take it for 2 weeks of AF-O (or day before O as Atomic suggested) and then have a 2 week break, and then once AF resumes again take it for the other 2 weeks (ish) you will have done what is required to make it effective for swaying. Does that make sense? :) sorry if you felt my answer was a little ambiguous .. I'm a girl swayer too and have been reading up atomic's essays since early this year. I sometimes even now find myself confused and bewildered by certain aspects of swaying.. So I get that it's a bit to take in. ;)



Y I was confused cuz you told me to start it 3 months priar but Atomic only told me 6 weeks priar so to me thats still two different opinions and I was confused, also when atomic told me to start it AF she didn't say at the end of the cycle so to me I assumed she meant the first day of my cycle so it wasn't very clear to me and this swaying stuff and all the terms are new to me so there for I was confused but now I understand what you ladies are saying.

So I plan on my first attempt in April so I can start Vitex in February and take it the whole two months and that would be fine? Also then I can start takeing SP only 6 weeks priar to my first attempt? Is that correct? Thx for your help I'm just trying to understand this stuff correctly.:bigsmile:

[LacePrincess]

I'm not familiar with SP or Sudafed so I won't comment on it, you've gotten great answers from the ladies above already.

Vitex *can* take up to 3 months to show results. However it can also take effect immediately. I saw results this current month after only taking Vitex starting this cycle for AF-O, so for me I saw results in 14 days. However everyone is different and it may take a few cycles to have results for someone else.

Seasons and swaying is bunk, at least in my experience. I conceived two of my boys in perfect 'girl' months, one of them in April! And, two out of my three boys were also the 'wrong' gender according to the Chinese calendar. So don't put any stock in April being an especially great girl month, I truly believe it makes no difference at all.

The reason why you are finding differing opinions is because herbs/supps affect us all differently and everyone's hormone balances and cycles are different. It takes different amount of time and amounts of supps to have effect for different people, and what works great for one lady can have the total opposite for another. You just never know till you try. The reason Atomic suggests 6 weeks is because that's a good rule-of-thumb starting place so you are on the diet/supps long enough to see results. For some people they'll see results faster and for others longer, there's no one right answer. You just have to guess-and-test like the rest of us.

[wannagirl21]

I'm not familiar with SP or Sudafed so I won't comment on it, you've gotten great answers from the ladies above already.

Vitex *can* take up to 3 months to show results. However it can also take effect immediately. I saw results this current month after only taking Vitex starting this cycle for AF-O, so for me I saw results in 14 days. However everyone is different and it may take a few cycles to have results for someone else.

Seasons and swaying is bunk, at least in my experience. I conceived two of my boys in perfect 'girl' months, one of them in April! And, two out of my three boys were also the 'wrong' gender according to the Chinese calendar. So don't put any stock in April being an especially great girl month, I truly believe it makes no difference at all.

The reason why you are finding differing opinions is because herbs/supps affect us all differently and everyone's hormone balances and cycles are different. It takes different amount of time and amounts of supps to have effect for different people, and what works great for one lady can have the total opposite for another. You just never know till you try. The reason Atomic suggests 6 weeks is because that's a good rule-of-thumb starting place so you are on the diet/supps long enough to see results. For some people they'll see results faster and for others longer, there's no one right answer. You just have to guess-and-test like the rest of us.



Thanks it's just hard to get a plan down when you get different advise from everyone and it doesn't help me out so thats why I wanted to know what is the best way to take V. Like I said before I'm not too big on girl boy months my husband and I just decided April this last summer and thats our plan and Atomic said it's a great month, it's not like I had a different month to try and conceive and then changed it we had April planned out already. And what results am I looking for when I start Vitex to know it's working?

[LacePrincess]

Well it depends, why are you taking vitex in the first place? If you don't have cycle issues (irregular ov, anov cycles, short LP, repeatedly delayed o) then don't take it. Vitex tends to mess up cycles that are already normal.

It sounds like you're looking for clearcut black/white answers and unfortunately when it comes to TTC there often aren't any. Most of the time the answer is 'it depends' and 'results can vary'.

For me I started Vitex because my cycles were very irregular after DS3 was born, and often anovulatory. My last cycle was 41 days long with ov on CD36. I started vitex this cycle from days 1-14 and my ov happened on CD15. So it was a huge change. However for someone who isn't experiencing real problems with their cycle I wouldn't recommend vitex at all as it's very potent, and if you're already normal you risk messing things up in a bad way.

Again though, and I know you're sick of hearing this, is that what you experience may be very different. There are no one-size-fits-all solutions to TTC issues.

[hopingforsaskia]

You might see your ovulation day change - it might be sooner or it may delay ovulation (more the reason I personally would take it early) and then again, maybe it won't do much at all. You'll have to play it by ear and take records so that you know (if) what it's doing. :)

[Mrs_P]

For me the first month i took vitex it moved my o day from cd15 to cd12, the months i took vitex and sp i also had spotting a good few days before my af started, one month it was 8 days first. I got my bfp the first month of vitex on clomid. As the other girls have said, it affects everyone differently i have also heard it acting as birth control for people who take it for to long of period.

[hopingforsaskia]

As the other girls have said, it affects everyone differently i have also heard it acting as birth control for people who take it for to long of period.

This is if it's taken all through your cycle. It can delay ovulation if you don't stop it once you are expecting to O. :)

[hopingforsaskia]

My replies keep telling my they're sent, then don't show up... Curiouser and curiouser! ;)

[wannagirl21]

Well it depends, why are you taking vitex in the first place? If you don't have cycle issues (irregular ov, anov cycles, short LP, repeatedly delayed o) then don't take it. Vitex tends to mess up cycles that are already normal.

It sounds like you're looking for clearcut black/white answers and unfortunately when it comes to TTC there often aren't any. Most of the time the answer is 'it depends' and 'results can vary'.





For me I started Vitex because my cycles were very irregular after DS3 was born, and often anovulatory. My last cycle was 41 days long with ov on CD36. I started vitex this cycle from days 1-14 and my ov happened on CD15. So it was a huge change. However for someone who isn't experiencing real problems with their cycle I wouldn't recommend vitex at all as it's very potent, and if you're already normal you risk messing things up in a bad way.

Again though, and I know you're sick of hearing this, is that what you experience may be very different. There are no one-size-fits-all solutions to TTC issues.



We'll my cycles are normal and so are alot of women's cycles taking Vitex I'm taking it to sway just like some other ladies other wise I think Atomic would say don't take it at all if you have normal cycles. And I am aware that it can make my cycle different, all I wanted to know was when and how to take vitex and some of the ladies have cleared that up for me. Thx...

[wannagirl21]

You might see your ovulation day change - it might be sooner or it may delay ovulation (more the reason I personally would take it early) and then again, maybe it won't do much at all. You'll have to play it by ear and take records so that you know (if) what it's doing. :)

Okay I will do that and see what happens. thx:happy:

[LacePrincess]

Good luck, sounds like you have a good place to start. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

6 weeks prior to your first attempt, take vitex and saw palmetto for about 2 weeks starting at AF and ending 10-14 days later (stop it a couple days before you expect to ovulate). then stop it for the remainder of your cycle. Then the next cycle, take it AGAIN for another 2 weeks or so starting CD 1.

If you wanted to get pg in April, start the V and SP in Mar. First cycle don't ttc, we're just giving the herbs time to work.

[atomic sagebrush]

The reason I mentioned taking vitex for 3 months (and I did explain this in your other thread) ... is because it can take up to 3 months to really do its thing to your system. Vitex and Saw Palmetto will CHANGE your cycle somewhat, so the fact that vitex won't harm anything makes it ok to start sooner rather than later and give it a real chance to work well. :) Saw Palmetto is not ideal to take for months and months on end. It needs 6 weeks minimum to do what it is going to do, so if you take it for 2 weeks of AF-O (or day before O as Atomic suggested) and then have a 2 week break, and then once AF resumes again take it for the other 2 weeks (ish) you will have done what is required to make it effective for swaying. Does that make sense? :) sorry if you felt my answer was a little ambiguous .. I'm a girl swayer too and have been reading up atomic's essays since early this year. I sometimes even now find myself confused and bewildered by certain aspects of swaying.. So I get that it's a bit to take in. ;)

That's my shortcoming entirely, we've learned new things as we go along and I've figured out new ways to explain things, so desperately need to go thru and reedit everything for max. clarity.

I SO appreciate everyone's help to muddle thru this mess that is gender swaying! :heart:

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks it's just hard to get a plan down when you get different advise from everyone and it doesn't help me out so thats why I wanted to know what is the best way to take V. Like I said before I'm not too big on girl boy months my husband and I just decided April this last summer and thats our plan and Atomic said it's a great month, it's not like I had a different month to try and conceive and then changed it we had April planned out already. And what results am I looking for when I start Vitex to know it's working?

That's because we don't know what is best. You ahve to make the decision on what feels right in your gut because we just do not know.

Vitex can affect your moods either positive or negative, moves your O date, makes you have worse O pain, and can make AF lighter, but we have no idea whether those things indicate it's working or if it starts working for you right away.

[Crystal13]

You do such a great job and are constantly helping everyone Atomic, having to repeat stuff over and over again and always so patient. I don't know how you do it all. If people still feel confused they can always buy a personalised sway plan!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you! :)