Is there and Extreme Gender Swaying forum?

[babydust]

I see the natural swaying one, but couldn't find anything that sounded like the extreme gender swaying...the one where people talk about swim up/swim down, TBM, things like that.

thanks!

[Janed]

Hi there. We do not have any extreme swaying on here. The approach taken is for Dream Members only and is comprised of the actual science behind gender swaying and nothing is inferred by me or anyone else on here. Our swaying talks about pH, nutraceuticals, environmental and ions, timing, and demographic information.

We've taken the time to go through the actual research and provided the best practices sheets for a girl and boy. The extreme swaying assumed a lot about sperm, what one can do to manipulate and select the right sperm and that is just NOT something I am comfortable with telling people you can have any control over.

[babydust]

ah, ok, thanx for explaining :). So natural swaying does not include lime TBM, lime douche, none of that? Just trying to figure out what "natural swaying" entails on here.

[ELP]

Just trying to figure out what "natural swaying" entails on here.Yes, if you could give a little more info on things that we will find available, I don't understand what nutraceuticals are:o I know atomic's one of the mods so I'm pretty sure it will covering the things I am interested in. And I'd better be quick becasue I've just spent the last 3 days eating thick slices of cake with masses of butter icing on, no good for the blue sway I'm sure:p:D

PH - through diet? drinks?
nutraceuticals? - is this supplements?
environmental - does this cover things like lifestyle and stress?
If you could give me a list of things I should be working on then this would be great.

Do I have to be a paid member for the info?

[atomic sagebrush]

8lilpigs - Thick massive slices of cake with butter icing = EXCELLENT for blue. I'm swaying blue this time

Natural swaying is everything up to the point of EGD, so no centrifuges or looking at sperm under the microscope. The site admin is not comfortable with EGD and that's fine by me because I don't know anything about it anyway. Douches, diet, environment (lifestyle, stress, exercise, ions etc) all are open to discussion...I don't think anything is off limits to discuss, just that certain things aren't going to be endorsed by this site (so no official forum for them or info page). If you're interested in a particular topic, start a thread and see what people have to say.

Nutraceuticals are just supps plus diet. Nutrition + pharmaceuticals.

[pinksapphire]

atomic,

Are you TTC'ing???? :)

[Janed]

ABC- I did not know that was you until now!

[babydust]

oh wow, atomic, are you swaying? And for a boy, how wonderful! :)

And thank you atomic for clarifying...what about lime TBM, does that fall under EGS? Can't believe no talk of SU/SD, looking at sperm under the scope...it's different from what I'm used to. Personally I looked at my Dh's sperm under the scope and it helped me a lot for and after my attempt..but everyone has a right to their own.

GL all! :)

[Janed]

oh wow, atomic, are you swaying? And for a boy, how wonderful! :)

And thank you atomic for clarifying...what about lime TBM, does that fall under EGS? Can't believe no talk of SU/SD, looking at sperm under the scope...it's different from what I'm used to. Personally I looked at my Dh's sperm under the scope and it helped me a lot for and after my attempt..but everyone has a right to their own.

GL all! :)

If someone wants to start a post about EGS, they are welcome to do so. I am just not going to push that sort of information on here because I do not believe in it and I would not want someone to do that to themselves.

Here is why:

If you could actually visualize a difference between male and female sperm, I am pretty sure embryologists everywhere would be doing it making things like genetic diseases obsolete. But they cannot and neither can we. There is no research out there to substantiate that claim. In fact, it states quite the opposite that men's sperm are in fact different- some men have sperm that have different shaped heads, different sizes, etc. So no, we will not be doing anything with looking at sperm for fun under a microscope.

I just wanted to add for anyone else's benefit that is considering doing this, if this was true- that you could tell which sperm and XX and XY under an at-home microscope, they would not have a trial running for MicroSort which attempts to seperate sperm with a 2% difference in size because that is the only way that male/female sperm have been found to be different BUT you cannot see a 2% difference under a microscope- they had to invent MicroSort to be able to do so.

Besides all of that, Tamara already owns that and I will not copy her. Good luck with your swaying research for your site though! There is a lot to go through to find the REAL facts!

[babydust]

Janed, it's weird, I couldn't read what you wrote for some reason, half the post was cut off

[babydust]

how about lime tbm and douche? do u consider that to be egs also?

[Janed]

how about lime tbm and douche? do u consider that to be egs also?

Well, douching is part of keeping pH where it needs to be, so yes, that would be something that is recommended and honestly, I used to know the TBM process that Tamara speaks about but 'I' do not think that you can manipulate sperm outside of the body.

I spent a lot of time reading about sperm, how it is activated, what pH embryos are cultured at and when they start to die when that pH is too high or too low and external pH does not even effect the internal pH of the embryo at all. It can kill it but it cannot change it.

In the women's reproductive tract, there are 4 areas of pH and changes that occur based on what stage the egg/embryo is in to keep it healthy and help it survive.

The human body is incerdible. I don't think we are smart enough to trick it but I do think there are things you can try/do that research backs up so the approach we take to swaying is the Science Behind Gender Swaying. The studies that have been done and shown to have an affect on gender are the ones cited and recommendations are made based on that.

Now, if you got your DG this way of course you are going to be more inclined, understandably so, to believe that it works! From a good conscience level though, I cannot recommend something that I cannot find information to support the claims. HTH

[babydust]

i did a natural sway, wit small amouns of lime douche the days after my attemt till i o'ed. next time though was thinking about adding lime tbm ( I tried SU, but it's too hard for me to get the ew's not to mix with the sample). Everyone has their own thoughts about what works/what doesn't work...I actually do think that it has an affect, but it is good to hear your perspective on things as well :)

[Janed]

Believe it or not, I actually tried the EGS for a boy. I did the whole thing with the EW, etc and it seemed like a joke to me. Even the sitting up straight, gettting the cervix to come down to reach the sample is wrong. The new data says that it actually doesn't work like that and that it is thrusting that get the sperm where it needs to be, the cervix does not dip down to reach the sperm like previously thought.

So, that's what I mean about finding the real facts and that is what we have taken the time to do.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just for anyone else who is interested, the douching and TBM also help lower overall sperm count and dilute/wash away EWCM. Personally, I'm not at all convinced that XX and XY sperm are affected differently by pH, but I am convinced that sperm count and CM do make a difference. Sometimes things work for different reasons than we may think they do, but that doesn't mean they don't work.

[babydust]

gotcha, thanks :)