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nuthinbutpink
March 30th, 2011, 09:15 PM
A SHORT HISTORY OF THIS METHOD

In 1935, a german biologist called Herbst was the first to prove the effects of potassium, and then subsequently of magnesium, on the mechanism of sex-selection.

As is the case with many discoveries, Herbst was in fact looking for something completely different when he made this discovery. He was actually studying the role of potassium in living organisms and for this he used a small worm called Bonellia virdis. Takiing aquariums filled with artificial sea water, he had the concentration of potassium altered in order to show how his Bonellia virdis absorbed potassium from the outside environment. He soon noticed that when he increased the potassium content of the water in the aquariums the proportion of male worms increased too. Then he very quickly made a second discovery: when he decreased the concentration of potassiu and at the same time increased that of magnesium, he obtained the opposite, i.e. an increase in the number of females.

In 1938 a second German biologist, Hartman, this time using another worm called Ophryotroca puerilis, reached the same conclusions. Meanwhile a third biologist, Tzonis, carried out the same research on Dinophilus apatris. The same result: an excess of potassium favors the birth of males, a decrease in potassium associated with an increase in magnesium increases the number of female births.

After the War, this phenomenon was noticed by a French physiologist, Professor Stolkowski of the Faculty of Sciences in Paris, who extended his investigations to other anomal species and explained how the phenomenon worked. In 1958 he confirmed that an amphibian, Discogllossus pictus, when bred in an environment rish in potassium produced a majority of males, but that the same creatures, bred in an environment enriched in calcium and magnesium, produced a majority of females.

Later he substantiated the discovery of the German biologists by establishing that it is not so much the quantity of potassium that is decisive but the relation between potassium, on one hand, and the calcium and magnesium on the other. So Professor Stolkowski is really the father of this theory since he did all the initial work on the method of sex-selection by diet.

The next stage was obviously to find out whether the same phenomenon would be repeated with other animal species and in particular with mammals, for the essential difference between the semi-aquatic species(such as amphibians, for example) and terrestrial species (such as mammals) in the environment in which they live. In fact, semi-aquatic species live part of their lives in a liquid environment through which they absorb external substances.

But it is the opposite for the animals and humans who live on the land: here, it is the cells themselves which float in an internal liquid environment. It is rather as though one were carrying about ones' own little internal sea, one's own inner lake. Any exchange of substances occurs via this liquid in the body.

It is, then, easy to alter the potassium content or calcium and magnesium content of an aquarium in a laboratory, but how can an internal environment be altered? By the intake of food. For all the substances the body receives are brought to it from outside, either through the digestive tract or the respiratory passages. Thus the alimentary canal becomes a means by which the mineral composition of this environment can be transformed.

In 1967 Professor Stolkowski published the results of a retrospective survey carried out on 134 farms, concerning the births of 25,653 claves.


He discovered:

On farms where the proportions of potassim, magnesium and calcium were properly balanced in the feed, as many male calves as female were born.
On farms where the feed included an excess of potassium, an increase in male calves was observed.
On farms where the diet underwent a decrease in potassium while the calcium and magnesium content was increased, more female calves were born.


In 1969 Stolkowski and his colleagues pushed their research a little further. They undertook, this time, an investigatory study on 82 farms where they analyzed the mineral composition of the feed given to the cows. These results were also conclusive:

On the 30 farms offering balanced feed (the proportions of potassium on the one hand and calcium and magnesium on the other being more or less equal), 148 males and 149 females were born.
On the 52 farms using a diet rich in calcium and magnesium, 340 females were born compared to 280 males.


After this second study, their investigation became even more specific: they now took sodium into account, as this plays an important role in the functioning of the adrenal glands, which in their turn maintain the proper level of potassium in the body.

They then undertook an experimental study, in which they laid great emphasis on dietary restrictions. The cow is the ideal subject for this type of experiment, as it has an ovarian cycle very similar to that of a woman. Unfortunately, just like a woman, the cow is not very prolific. And since it was necessary to wait for the births to take place, the studies took some time. It is moreover rather difficult to find farmers who are willing to cooperate and alter the feed of an entire breed.

A study was carried out on 23 farms in the Doubs region: vitamin D (which controls the calcium content of the body) was injected into cows. In all, 961 births were obtained. Of these 961 calves, 77 came from mothers that had been treated with vitamin D.


Non-treated animals: 380 females, 504 males- 43% females/57 % male


Treated animals: 49 females, 28 males- 63.6 % females/36.4 % males


These results therefore confirmed what the experiments had so far demonstrated: that an environment rish in calcium favors female births.

Now to humans. It was in 1975 that Doctors Lorrain and Gagnon, of the Sacre-Couer Maternity Clinic in Montreal, published the results of a retrospective survey concerning the eating habits of a hundred women who had children of the same sex only.

Of the fifty who had only boys, forty had a diet with a high salt-content (in the form of both salt as such and salty foods) and poor in calcium and magnesium. Outo fo the fifty who had only girls, forty naturally had a diet poor in dosium and rish in calcium and magnesium.

At the same time they tried to predict the sex of the unborn children of fifty women who had very specific eating habits. Thiry of these women had a "boy-type" diet and twenty a "girl-type" diet. The first thirty (boy-type) gave birth to 24 boys and 6 girls and the last twenty (girl diet) brought into the world 16 girls and 4 boys. The hypothesis was beginning to become more convincing.

Two years later, a French doctor, Michele Duc, chose as her doctoral thesis to do a detailed investigation of the eating habits of ninety-nine women who had at least two children of the same sex.

Fifty-three had only boys and forty-six had only girls.

Painstakingly she studies the mineral composition of each item of their diet until she was finally able to determine the type of diet (girl-type or boy-type) followed spontaneously by each of these women by working out the ratio of potassium and sodium to calcium and magnesium, and this is what she discovered:

84.4 percent of the women who had boys, in general only ate food corresponding to the boy diet. The ratio of potassium and sodium to calcium and magnesium was higher than 4.
84 percent of the women who had only girls, spontaneously followed a girl diet. The same ratio was under 2.


Michele Duc's study now proved, in 84 percent of the women, that there is a correclation between eating habits and the sex of a child. It was a momentous discovery - a small revolution. Here at last was the proof that this phenomenon existed. It was yet to be discovered, of course whether it could be artifically created. That is to say - offer a "girl" or "boy" diet to women who wanted to choose the sec of their child, and await the result!

nuthinbutpink
March 30th, 2011, 09:15 PM
Continued- Part 2

On January 14, 1977 Port-Royal Maternity Clinic in Paris set up and experiment and the only criteria to join was that you had to be healthy. They had the women keep notebooks of detailed accounts of everything- both liquid and solid- they consumed. They had to follow it for 2.5 months before the intended date of conception. They had the women use common household scales to weigh how much food they were consuming too.

As you might expect, not all kept up with the notebooks. So, to classify the results, the patients were therefore divided into five groups, and this was of course done before knowing the outcome of the pregnancy.
Group 1 The diet was scrupulously followed. Control by means of the notebooks.
Group 2 The pateitns said they followed the diet totally, but not all notebooks were produced.
Group 3 and 4 The women who did not follow the diet properly - either because their notebooks revealed errors in applying it, or because they admitted (before knowing the sex of the babu, of course) that they had deviated from the diet.
Group 5 The patients didn't use the method - for example, those women who started the diet when they were already pregnant but didn't know it, or those - the most numerous - who gave it up before becomming pregnant.

Here are the results obtained at the end of the first two years.

In the first two groups, ie.e those women who did follow the diet, the success rate was 77.6 percent.

In groups 3 and 4, those women who did not keep to the diet, the success rate was no more than 52 percent.

After two years of the study, the doctors of the Port-Royal Maternity Clinic were able to obtain more information from their work.

First, they discovered that the demand for boys and for girls was more or less equal, for out of 215 patients, 100 wanted a girl, and 115 a boy.
They also realized that the diet was apparently quite difficult to follow, wince many women were not following it correctly. Two thirds actually gave up along the way. Since all the women wanting to take part in the experiment had been accepted at the outset without any selection test, it may be assumed that some of them were not motivated strongly enough and athat they perhaps wne there more our of curiosity- "just to see".
The girl diet was neith any more or any less effective than the boy diet.
Finally, there was no difference between the children of those mothers who had followed the diet and those who hadn't: alll the infants were of normal weight and in good health at birth.


Two other teams who undertook similar work obtained identical results. They confirmed one another's findings. Brilliant!

Dr lorrain and his colleagues in Montreal achieved a success rate of 80 percent: 181 children of the sex desired out of a totoal of 224 pregnancies. Professor Stolkowski and his colleagues at the Faculty of Sciences in Paris achieved an 88 percent success rate, with 53 births of the sex required out of a total of 60.

All these finding therefore indicate that this method is almost 80 percent reliable. So let us try. It may well open doors for you too.

ELP
March 31st, 2011, 03:18 AM
It will be interesting to see their menu's when you are able to post them, NBP:agree: Do dairy farmers still follow the altered feed's now??

TTC5
March 31st, 2011, 05:12 AM
Thanks so much nbp!!!! Great read!!! xx

pretty in pink
March 31st, 2011, 05:54 AM
thank you nbp! this is very interesting

atomic sagebrush
March 31st, 2011, 08:59 AM
It will be interesting to see their menu's when you are able to post them, NBP:agree: Do dairy farmers still follow the altered feed's now??

I don't know how much of a direct answer this is, but I do know that researchers like Elissa Cameron (the woman who came up with the blood glucose theory) and many others, who do know about this research, are still trying very hard to come up with a reliable way to alter gender in cattle. Microsort for gender is still used a lot by dairy farmers (who want more cows and less bulls).

atomic sagebrush
March 31st, 2011, 08:59 AM
Thank you for posting! I knew about the worms but I couldn't find out what species they were!

nuthinbutpink
April 5th, 2011, 05:22 PM
All the specifics are in the Swaying member private forums. It's a good read.

purplepoet20
April 5th, 2011, 05:37 PM
All the specifics are in the Swaying member private forums. It's a good read.

Now I have to explain to hubby why I have to become a member... he may draw the line. I guess I will have to try to find the book, Anyone know where I can find it?

Flava
April 6th, 2011, 11:48 AM
..plus herking packages of the real good Medjool dates!
Hope you read fast , Im waiting here!:bigsmile:

Flava
April 6th, 2011, 11:49 AM
Now I have to explain to hubby why I have to become a member... he may draw the line. I guess I will have to try to find the book, Anyone know where I can find it?

Same here ...I just can't pay 12$ every month with all the other bills we already have:sad:

purplepoet20
April 6th, 2011, 11:52 AM
Same here ...I just can't pay 12$ every month with all the other bills we already have:sad:

I thought it was $12 for a year????

Flava
April 6th, 2011, 12:01 PM
A study was carried out on 23 farms in the Doubs region: vitamin D (which controls the calcium content of the body) was injected into cows. In all, 961 births were obtained. Of these 961 calves, 77 came from mothers that had been treated with vitamin D.

Non-treated animals: 380 females, 504 males- 43% females/57 % male

Treated animals: 49 females, 28 males- 63.6 % females/36.4 % males
This means we better don't take extra vitamin D or what?
I read it somewhere here to take more vitamin D for ttc boy .

Flava
April 6th, 2011, 12:02 PM
I thought it was $12 for a year????

Oh really? I can do that for sure. now Im confused...

purplepoet20
April 6th, 2011, 01:12 PM
Oh really? I can do that for sure. now Im confused...

Guess we have to wait for that to be cleared up... I can push for $12 a year!!!

Atomic and I both had a lot of vita D in our bodies and got boys.... Just don't take in to many Calcium rich foods because vita D and C help the body to absorb calcium.

atomic sagebrush
April 7th, 2011, 07:15 AM
This means we better don't take extra vitamin D or what?
I read it somewhere here to take more vitamin D for ttc boy .

I think Vitamin D sways blue, not pink, because of the Trivers-Willard hypothesis (more nutrients = more boys) and also because Vit. D is known to raise testosterone. 77 cows is not enough to make any kind of judgement because that can be just a statistical variation.

If Vit. D got this kind of results, people would be using it on dairy farms and would have given up on the very expensive Microsort procedure for cows. They haven't, and are still looking into other ways to sway gender.

atomic sagebrush
April 7th, 2011, 07:16 AM
Guess we have to wait for that to be cleared up... I can push for $12 a year!!!

Atomic and I both had a lot of vita D in our bodies and got boys.... Just don't take in to many Calcium rich foods because vita D and C help the body to absorb calcium.

I conceived 2 boys while outside a lot, one boy while drinking tons of milk, and one boy while swaying pink and taking huge doses of Vit D!!

Flava
April 8th, 2011, 11:30 AM
Guess we have to wait for that to be cleared up... I can push for $12 a year!!!
Did u find it out yet?
Im waiting here:wave:

atomic sagebrush
April 8th, 2011, 03:32 PM
Yes, it's $12 per YEAR, same as IG (only it works LOL)

nuthinbutpink
April 8th, 2011, 03:47 PM
Oh really? I can do that for sure. now Im confused...

Per YEAR!

Flava
April 9th, 2011, 11:44 AM
Ok thanks ! LOL NBP I told you in that PM I can't pay 12$ /month and you didn't say nothing ! Im going to do it.

I don't want my hopes to be high here , but Im very disappointed in IG and happy I never buyed gold there...

mandicane
July 12th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Great post! Thanks for the info and for doing all this work!

rainbowflower
July 13th, 2011, 07:10 AM
hmm so perhaps if vit D helps absorption of the calcium small amounts of it will sway pink, but lots of it will sway blue

atomic sagebrush
July 15th, 2011, 08:33 AM
I am not convinced on the calcium either (as I am always yammering on about!!!) :p

rainbowflower
July 15th, 2011, 10:45 AM
I am not convinced on the calcium either (as I am always yammering on about!!!) :p

There was the study that showed that cattle given calcium + magnesium had more cows than bulls? well I guess that we're not bovine, but it seems that when they added that to human diet it has had similar results...

atomic sagebrush
July 15th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Unfortunately, it wasn't some double-blind study where two groups of cattle were fed identical diets only some were given calcium and magnesium and some weren't, it's that the researchers went back through old dairy records and compared diets that had been fed to cows. It was a retrospective study - they analyzed the records after the fact. The cows were fed feeds, whatever the farmer happened to prefer, that after the fact, the researcher concluded had higher calcium and magnesium in it. That feed may have had higher levels of cal-mag in it or lower sod-potassium in it but/and/or it could have had different levels of protein, calories, fat, etc. The farmers who fed that feed might have different feeding patterns, different breeds of cow, different methods of insemination, we don't know. Some of the cows might have been given antibiotics or other hormones. None of those variables are accounted for.

Besides that, cows are not humans. They have 4 stomachs, eat grass, come into heat once a year, and have been bred for maximizing milk production for 20,000 years. Give me a primate someone...give me two groups of animals that are genetically closely related to humans, shut them in a lab with all the variables controlled and feed them the EXACT same diet, only give one calcium supps and one sodium and then see what happens. Until that study is done, I have to go on the fact that 75% of humans cannot drink milk and eat very little dairy, yet still have very close to 50-50 boys and girls, and that the countries that eat the most dairy also have the most boys while countries in which every adult is lactose intolerant are having more girls than they should.

If this idea even worked a little bit I guarantee ya the local farmers wouldn't be paying thousands of dollars for Microsort. ;)

Bigwish
November 2nd, 2012, 04:18 PM
Sorry, i'm only a newbee here but i have to respond on your comment of 10.28 pm about calcium, dairy and sexe ratio. It has only just become clear that in countries with high dairy concumption osteoporosis rates are the highest. This is possibly due to the fact that dairy also contains a lot of phosphor which inhibits the uptake of calcium. In countries where most people are lactose intolerant ( i hope my english is well enough for you to understand) i think people will get their calcium from other sources from which bioavailibility is better.

I'm not saying dairy will not sway pink, as i think humans are ment to consume milk from their own species untill they naturally wean ( for humans between 2 and 7 years of age). So dairy is relatively unhealthy which will sway pink...

Would love to hear some other thoughts!

atomic sagebrush
November 3rd, 2012, 08:29 AM
I agree Big Wish, I think for some people dairy is unhealthy overall and that can sway pink. But I certainly wouldn't want to gamble on being one of those people!!!

Dairy = boys for me and several other people on this site. I got my girl eating very little calcium (from any source.)

Bigwish
November 3rd, 2012, 10:31 AM
Ok! So you're saying that dairy sways blue... Then you've just confirmed my thoughts! I didn't know dairy swayed blue! I am really happy now as i am not eating dairy very much since my youngest ds reacted on the cowsmilk protein via my milk. When i left it out of my diet we both felt great! I am now eating 200 ml yoghourt a day, but i think i leave that out by the time i will start my sway! Thanks a lot!

When i conceived both my boys i was addicted to dairy! (And ill six times a year by the way). What an eyeopener...

atomic sagebrush
November 3rd, 2012, 08:26 PM
Yes, I have believed for some time that dairy sways blue and we have verified that to some extent because several pink swayers got girls with no dairy after failed high calcium sways, and several blue swayers got boys after failed low calcium sways.