Complete pink swaying statistics spreadsheet

[rainbowflower]

This thread is no longer being updated but still contains helpful info. This is NOT current results but still interesting data to look at.

The results are here THIS IS THE OLD SPREADSHEET ONLY no longer being updated:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuwCV-IDm3wodFRQSHVqWmk3djdqZThSSDBiQWM4bFE


The first sheet lists all the sways added. At the top are the results for those who tried each basic aspect of swaying (the yes/no answers). This includes:

exercise
supplements
douches
jump and dump
old wives tales
etc.


The second sheet has the more complex statistics for:

diet
number of attempts
timing
frequency
length of time on diet


Obviously because we are all doing so many factors for a sway it's hard to know whether it's the individual one that is swaying or because it's a mixture of things, but it's an interesting guide.

I have already added all the sways with results I found in the "Add your sway" section, the "swaying trends" thread, and the other swaying spreadsheet. So if you have already swayed and had results you will need to check that you aren't already in there. Thank you to Mariposa and Peanut41 for compiling the results I used too. xx

Note: The statistics do not automatically update when new sways are added so I need to manually do this. It's a limitation of the tool unfortunately.

















Current results (accurate as of 24th Sept 2015, newer data found here in this thread http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/51473-new-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet-info-links.html):
Nb. Inverses are the success of those who said they DIDN'T try it (those who didn't answer the question are not in either statistics)


Total sways: 361
Total pink: 235
Success %: 65.1% success

TTC CYCLES
Success, cycles= 3.0592
Opposites, cycles= 2.7761

MULTIPLES
Total multiples= 11

PERSONALISED PLAN
Total sways: 95
Total success: 64
Success %: 67.37
Inverse success %: 67.44

VITEX
Total sways: 118
Total success: 68
Success %: 57.63
Inverse success %: 68.64

SAW PALMETTO
Total sways: 83
Total success: 50
Success %: 60.24
Inverse success %: 66.42

ANTIHISTAMINES
Total sways: 173
Total success: 104
Success %: 60.12
Inverse success %: 69.78

CRANBERRY OR ASPIRIN
Total sways: 196
Total success: 129
Success %: 65.82
Inverse success %: 64.15

CRANBERRY (specifically)
Total sways: 42
Total success: 26
Success %: 61.9

ASPIRIN (specifically)
Total sways: 118
Total success: 78
Success %: 66.1

REPLENS/REPHRESH
Total sways: 124
Total success: 79
Success %: 63.71
Inverse success %: 66.38

LIME/DOUCHE
Total sways: 20
Total success: 15
Success %: 75
Inverse success %: 64.48

JUMP & DUMP
Total sways: 134
Total success: 83
Success %: 61.94
Inverse success %: 67.26

CAL+MAG
Total sways: 78
Total success: 55
Success %: 70.51
Inverse success %: 63.41

PREGNITUDE
Total sways: 7
Total success: 6
Success %: 85.71% success
Inverse success %: 63.21

LIQ. ROOT for DH
Total sways: 89
Total success: 61
Success %: 68.54
Inverse success %: 64.04

CLOMID
Total sways: 46
Total success: 35
Success %: 76.09
Inverse success %: 63.58

SOY ISOFLAVONES
Total sways: 17
Total success: 10
Success %: 58.82
Inverse success %: 64.95

CRANBERRY/ASPIRIN for DH
Total sways: 108
Total success: 72
Success %: 66.67
Inverse success %: 64.37

CAFFEINE (needs separating out)
Total sways (Some and Lots): 59
Total success: 88
Success %: 67.05% success
Inverse success %: 0

SUGAR
Total sways (Some and Lots): 62
Total success: 88
Success %: 70.45% success
Inverse success %:

SUGAR - none 39
Success % 51.28
SUGAR - some 72
Success % 70.83
SUGAR - lots 16
Success % 68.75

IONS
Total sways: 175
Total success: 121
Success %: 69.14
Inverse success %: 61.75

NEW MOON
Total sways: 77
Total success: 55
Success %: 71.43
Inverse success %: 63.54

CHINESE GENDER CALENDAR
Total sways: 66
Total success: 48
Success %: 72.73
Inverse success %: 63.54

OLD WIVES TALES
Total sways: 132
Total success: 86
Success %: 65.15
Inverse success %: 65.2

ACIDPHIOUS
Total sways: 39
Total success: 17
Success %: 43.59
Inverse success %: 67.62

FERTILITY CHARM/SPELL
Total sways: 13
Total success: 6
Success %: 46.15
Inverse success %: 65.6

FIBRE
Total sways: 112
Total success: 76
Success %: 67.86
Inverse success %: 64.08

ACIGEL/SYLK
Total sways: 81
Total success: 53
Success %: 65.43
Inverse success %: 64.96

SKIPPING BREAKFAST
Total sways: 254
Total success: 168
Success %: 66.14
Inverse success %: 63.64

EXERCISE
Total sways: 84
Total success: 63
Success %: 75
Inverse success %: 62.32

FIRST CYCLE AFTER MC
Total sways: 20
Total success: 15
Success %: 75
Inverse success %: 64.58

BREASTFEEDING
Total sways: 40
Total success: 27
Success %: 67.5
Inverse success %: 64.89

BIRTH CONTROL PILL
Total sways: 12
Total success: 9
Success %: 75
Inverse success %: 68.5

LEFT-SLEEPER
Total sways: 75
Total success: 54
Success %: 72
Inverse success %: 70.91

RASPBERRY/PEPPERMINT TEA
Total sways: 53
Total success: 40
Success %: 75.47
Inverse success %: 64.46

OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT for DH
Total sways: 42
Total success: 30
Success %: 71.43
Inverse success %: 67.41

CINNAMON
Total sways: 25
Total success: 20
Success %: 80
Inverse success %: 65.54

SWAYERS WITH PCOS
Total sways: 19
Total success: 15
Success %: 78.95
Inverse success %: N/A

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DIET
IG
- Total sways 27
- Total success 11
- Success % 40.74
LE
- Total sways 232
- Total success 151
- Success % 65.09
FGD
- Total sways 4
- Total success 4
- Success % 100
IG/LE MIX
- Total sways 18
- Total success 12
- Success % 66.67
VEGETARIAN (non-sway)
- Total sways 17
- Total success 14
- Success % 82.35
GENERIC DIET (non-sway)
- Total sways 5
- Total success 4
- Success % 80
OTHER DIET
- Total sways 32
- Total success 25
- Success % 78.13
NO DIET
- Total sways 20
- Total success 12
- Success % 60

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TIMING
Attempted O+12
- Total sways 19
- Total success 13
- Success % 68.42
Through OV/pos OPK (all)
- Total sways 240
- Total success 156
- Success % 65
OV (confirmed)
- Total sways 120
- Total success 82
- Success % 68.33
Pos OPK
- Total sways 90
- Total success 54
- Success % 60
2-3 day cut off
- Total sways 58
- Total success 36
- Success % 62.07
4+ day cut off
- Total sways 13
- Total success 11
- Success % 84.62

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FREQUENCY
FR
- Total sways 68
- Total success 43
- Success % 63.24
FBD
- Total sways 66
- Total success 42
- Success % 63.64
CFR
- Total sways 20
- Total success 15
- Success % 75
ABSTAIN
- Total sways 74
- Total success 47
- Success % 63.51
EVERY 4 DAYS
- Total sways 28
- Total success 21
- Success % 75
OTHER
- Total sways 79
- Total success 51
- Success % 64.56

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NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS
1 PLUS J&D
- Total sways 68
- Total success 50
- Success % 73.53
1
- Total sways 152
- Total success 106
- Success % 69.74
2
- Total sways 70
- Total success 46
- Success % 65.71
3
- Total sways 46
- Total success 26
- Success % 56.52
4+
- Total sways 71
- Total success 46
- Success % 64.79

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DIET WEEKS
1-4 weeks
- Total sways 37
- Total success 20
- Success % 54.05
5-8 weeks
- Total sways 73
- Total success 44
- Success % 60.27
9-12 weeks
- Total sways 61
- Total success 44
- Success % 72.13
13-16 weeks
- Total sways 35
- Total success 25
- Success % 71.43
17-20 weeks
- Total sways 18
- Total success 14
- Success % 77.78
21-24 weeks
- Total sways 18
- Total success 13
- Success % 72.22
25+ weeks
- Total sways 71
- Total success 51
- Success % 71.83

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ALCOHOL
None
- Total sways 86
- Total success 56
- Success % 65.12
Wine
- Total sways 53
- Total success 43
- Success % 81.13
Spirits
- Total sways 17
- Total success 15
- Success % 88.24
Beer
- Total sways 4
- Total success 3
- Success % 75
Other
- Total sways 16
- Total success 9
- Success % 56.25
All alcohol
- Total sways 90
- Total success 70
- Success % 77.78

[jgoodall08]

Thankyou So much for all the time u put into this.
So appreciated!!!!

[Longingforgirl]

Wow! Thank you!!!

[rainbowflower]

stats moved to first post

[mommymachine]

Thank you very much!

[atomic sagebrush]

First of all thank you so much Rainbow for an awesome and much appreciated effort.

I think maybe we need to think about dropping probiotics. Wow not good at all.

Also my standard disclaimer - some things can be made to appear more successful than they actually are because people who want to do a very strict sway do EVERYTHING and they are actually stricter in other ways too.

Example - it's unlikely (I hope obviously) that putting a girl outfit under the bed does anything for gender, but it makes it look very effective jsut because people who are doing a strict sway in other ways do it. The same may very well be true of many other tactics such as strict timing - the people running the strictest sways are doing everything and so some tactics that seem supereffective may just be along for the ride so to speak.

Reverse is also true - when people don't get pg they often loosen up on everything - so to look at the stats and say, "OMG I'm on diet for 17 weeks and my success rate is going to drop from 85 to 60%" is not the case. Over time people get sick of swaying and start to drop stuff, that's all. People who have been on diet 5 months are sick of it and ready to get pg and so often they loosen up on their sway - this changes the stats.

[HopingWishingPraying]

Thanks so much for doing this Rainbowflower, it must have taken you a lot of time. It looks very valuable. I am possibly just being a techno gumby but I cant figure out how to get onto the second page? Scrolling down doesn't seem to help me find it. Is there a tab or something that I am not seeing? Thank you again.

[cvd]

This is awesome! So much work put into it!
I should let you know that in my sway I did use rephresh! (I noticed it says no to rephresh on the chart)

[rainbowflower]

agree Atomic, I was thinking that too (about diet length). It could be that people need to do their best to get a BFP sooner before willpower starts to waver

I have hope for the fibre supplement one showing good results too as we get more results in

[rainbowflower]

Thanks so much for doing this Rainbowflower, it must have taken you a lot of time. It looks very valuable. I am possibly just being a techno gumby but I cant figure out how to get onto the second page? Scrolling down doesn't seem to help me find it. Is there a tab or something that I am not seeing? Thank you again.

there's a tab at the bottom saying "diet/frequency/timing stats"

[rainbowflower]

This is awesome! So much work put into it!
I should let you know that in my sway I did use rephresh! (I noticed it says no to rephresh on the chart)
thanks for the update :)

[The Anchor]

Wow! This is AWESOME rainbow...

[GeCon]

Thanks, rainbow. Great work. :agree: Much appreciated.

So looking at these I am thinking if I should drop the Acidophilus. If so, should OH come off it too or continue to take them to lower pH?

Also, does Benefiber Powder count as a Fibre Supplement? I am taking two teaspoons a day as instructed on the box or is that not as effective as capsules etc.?

[Dreamofpink]

Reverse is also true - when people don't get pg they often loosen up on everything - so to look at the stats and say, "OMG I'm on diet for 17 weeks and my success rate is going to drop from 85 to 60%" is not the case. Over time people get sick of swaying and start to drop stuff, that's all. People who have been on diet 5 months are sick of it and ready to get pg and so often they loosen up on their sway - this changes the stats.
Eek! Catch22 for me then. I've been strict on the diet for 5&half months and have enjoyed it so far. However I'll be starting clomid within the next fortnight and believe I have to ease up on the diet a bit just to get pg whilst taking it. I hope that the clomid will simply replace the slightly loosened up diet and still give me a strict sway. After doing the ig diet for 9 months in 2011-2012 this diet is a complete pleasure! Thank you Rainbow for your hard work, it's very much appreciated and thank you Atimic for interpreting the results! What a fab team! :D



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[Rosie85]

Wow thank you so so so much! I need me some clomid! Haha

[coocoobananas]

Oh man! I hope not taking fibre wasnt the doom of my sway! Sheesh! That would be depressing!! I could never remover to take it but didn't think it was a big deal! Dang!;)

[Peppermint]

Wow, impressive work and great info here, thanks so much for taking the time to do it and share it with us.

[harleyquinn]

Not to get nitpicky but I am curious why acijel is included with Sylk? As far as I know, acijel is used in an applicator for vaginal infections/pH for a healthy vagina and is used as Rephresh or Replens is for swaying purposes. Sylk is used as a lubricant for intercourse. Totally different consistencies, ingredients, purpose.

I have anecdotally seen many opposites that used Sylk and Acijel together. Maybe not many people are using Acijel anymore.

I suppose I could create my own analysis but I don't which is why my hat is totally off to you for doing this. Its very interesting and will be helpful to many:cheer:

I was really surprised at douching, tbh. I wonder how these people did it..before or after....lol...you could really make a career out of analyzing every aspect.

Well done rainbow :)

[meeks32]

Eek! Catch22 for me then. I've been strict on the diet for 5&half months and have enjoyed it so far. However I'll be starting clomid within the next fortnight and believe I have to ease up on the diet a bit just to get pg whilst taking it. I hope that the clomid will simply replace the slightly loosened up diet and still give me a strict sway. After doing the ig diet for 9 months in 2011-2012 this diet is a complete pleasure! Thank you Rainbow for your hard work, it's very much appreciated and thank you Atimic for interpreting the results! What a fab team! :D



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I agree, clomid should replace you loosening up the diet a bit, as long as you keep the key things like 2-3 meals, no snacking, no b/fast and lower meat/protein.

The clomid stats are amazing!

[meeks32]

Rainbow you are amazing! I love love love this. It can only get more accurate in time too, as we add more people in.

Agree with atomic in that the obvious stuff is clearly part of very strict sways and not always a sway factor in itself (ie girl clothes) and that the diet has eb and flow, people get strict and loosen up at certain points. Ultimately we have no control over how fast we get pg, that part is down to luck (since I've had plenty of months where I 'should' have caught the egg timing wise) but we can take from it that you shouldn't drop everything at once, and at the end of the day we can all only do what we can handle.

Thanks so so much! I'll spread the link for this thread around a bit so more people add in. Did you post a link in any of the pregnancy or due date threads? May as well catch the people that have the results now! I can post if not.

[mariposa]

It´s awesome rainbow! thank you very much for your time and effort! :flowerz:

[meeks32]

Not to get nitpicky but I am curious why acijel is included with Sylk? As far as I know, acijel is used in an applicator for vaginal infections/pH for a healthy vagina and is used as Rephresh or Replens is for swaying purposes. Sylk is used as a lubricant for intercourse. Totally different consistencies, ingredients, purpose.

I have anecdotally seen many opposites that used Sylk and Acijel together. Maybe not many people are using Acijel anymore.

I suppose I could create my own analysis but I don't which is why my hat is totally off to you for doing this. Its very interesting and will be helpful to many:cheer:

I was really surprised at douching, tbh. I wonder how these people did it..before or after....lol...you could really make a career out of analyzing every aspect.

Well done rainbow :)


I used acijel but not sylk. I used it as a fingertip morning and night the week leading up to my first attempt, then stopped. You don't use it between attempts or it kills everything. That was how to do it as advised by atomic.

I didn't use sylk or rephresh so no idea what people do there.

Back when I was on IG I was douching, same principals as acijel, week leading up to o, not after first attempt, although some people do 5ml prior to attempt then 1ml after, but its not a great chance of getting pg if you do it after. I used a neurophen syringe thing as the applicator, if you are wondering!!

I just read something before about egg whites (and how to get them up there) for ttc boy and laughed so hard, it seems mad to me, but then I never had to ttc boy, it just happened!!

[rainbowflower]

Not to get nitpicky but I am curious why acijel is included with Sylk? As far as I know, acijel is used in an applicator for vaginal infections/pH for a healthy vagina and is used as Rephresh or Replens is for swaying purposes. Sylk is used as a lubricant for intercourse. Totally different consistencies, ingredients, purpose.

I have anecdotally seen many opposites that used Sylk and Acijel together. Maybe not many people are using Acijel anymore.

I suppose I could create my own analysis but I don't which is why my hat is totally off to you for doing this. Its very interesting and will be helpful to many:cheer:

I was really surprised at douching, tbh. I wonder how these people did it..before or after....lol...you could really make a career out of analyzing every aspect.

Well done rainbow :)
lol I thought they both were just very low pH gels/lubes that are used as a one off, but I guess by that measure Replens ought to go in that category too! The category is not about using them together, it's using sylk OR acijel.I could separate them out but don't have the time now to go through all of them and check which said which.

[rainbowflower]

Rainbow you are amazing! I love love love this. It can only get more accurate in time too, as we add more people in.

Agree with atomic in that the obvious stuff is clearly part of very strict sways and not always a sway factor in itself (ie girl clothes) and that the diet has eb and flow, people get strict and loosen up at certain points. Ultimately we have no control over how fast we get pg, that part is down to luck (since I've had plenty of months where I 'should' have caught the egg timing wise) but we can take from it that you shouldn't drop everything at once, and at the end of the day we can all only do what we can handle.

Thanks so so much! I'll spread the link for this thread around a bit so more people add in. Did you post a link in any of the pregnancy or due date threads? May as well catch the people that have the results now! I can post if not.

no I haven't done this, if you could that would be great! thank you!

[meeks32]

no I haven't done this, if you could that would be great! thank you!

Done!

Well done again, it is so amazing! Whenever you update a big batch of sways can you post to let us know? I'll keep spreading the word.

[rainbowflower]

Done!

Well done again, it is so amazing! Whenever you update a big batch of sways can you post to let us know? I'll keep spreading the word.

thanks again, I'll let you know. Noone else has added sways yet but I think there are still 35+ ladies waiting to find out results of their sway so we should have lots more in a month or two

[Rainbow baby]

Awesome I love it thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

Eek! Catch22 for me then. I've been strict on the diet for 5&half months and have enjoyed it so far. However I'll be starting clomid within the next fortnight and believe I have to ease up on the diet a bit just to get pg whilst taking it. I hope that the clomid will simply replace the slightly loosened up diet and still give me a strict sway. After doing the ig diet for 9 months in 2011-2012 this diet is a complete pleasure! Thank you Rainbow for your hard work, it's very much appreciated and thank you Atimic for interpreting the results! What a fab team! :D



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Well, if memory serves you were doing more strict a diet than I'd have liked anyway and Clomid is such a good sway (now demonstrated clearly thanks again Rainbow) that I think no one should feel at all bad about dropping tactics that are clearly inferior (such as jellies, antihistamine) in favor of Clomid.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks, rainbow. Great work. :agree: Much appreciated.

So looking at these I am thinking if I should drop the Acidophilus. If so, should OH come off it too or continue to take them to lower pH?

Also, does Benefiber Powder count as a Fibre Supplement? I am taking two teaspoons a day as instructed on the box or is that not as effective as capsules etc.?

I would stop the acidophilus. Unlike a lot of these things, the probiotics were something I was having everyone do just as a blanket preventative measure against YI (so less likely that it's coincidence due to strictness/laxness of sways) and yet the stats are not so hot. We may need to revisit this if we start having the dire situations with YI like they did back on IG - thus far we've been spared the yeast plague due in part to the probiotics.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh man! I hope not taking fibre wasnt the doom of my sway! Sheesh! That would be depressing!! I could never remover to take it but didn't think it was a big deal! Dang!;)

There was no way you could have known coocoo. Even I couldn't have predicted that.

[mommymachine]

Crap, no doctor would ever give me clomid...I get pregnant just by washing my clothes with my DHs.

[atomic sagebrush]

Not to get nitpicky but I am curious why acijel is included with Sylk? As far as I know, acijel is used in an applicator for vaginal infections/pH for a healthy vagina and is used as Rephresh or Replens is for swaying purposes. Sylk is used as a lubricant for intercourse. Totally different consistencies, ingredients, purpose.

I have anecdotally seen many opposites that used Sylk and Acijel together. Maybe not many people are using Acijel anymore.

I suppose I could create my own analysis but I don't which is why my hat is totally off to you for doing this. Its very interesting and will be helpful to many:cheer:

I was really surprised at douching, tbh. I wonder how these people did it..before or after....lol...you could really make a career out of analyzing every aspect.

Well done rainbow :)

I agree about the douching - we don't know if this was before or after, how much was used, etc. and that is the primo example of the kind of statistical coincidence that ~may~ be going on. People just aren't doing a lot of douche-related sways on this site and those who are, I suspect are pretty dang strict in other ways. I saw tons of douchers get opposites back on IG and the stats on EGS for pink were a straight up 50-50 (or at least they were the last time I looked at them) and they're the douche queens LOL.

[atomic sagebrush]

Crap, no doctor would ever give me clomid...I get pregnant just by washing my clothes with my DHs.

Haha!

Look at it this way tho - we have learned a couple things that will only make your sway better even without the Clomid.

[Dreamofpink]

Well, if memory serves you were doing more strict a diet than I'd have liked anyway and Clomid is such a good sway (now demonstrated clearly thanks again Rainbow) that I think no one should feel at all bad about dropping tactics that are clearly inferior (such as jellies, antihistamine) in favor of Clomid.

Thanks Atomic, you always know how to put my mind at rest. Am now aiming for 1700cal 35-40g fat and 45g protein. I have no idea what's going on with my body just now. Cd25/26 seems far too late for ov but just had my first clear stretchy cm tinged brown for my whole cycle. I feel bloated and a lot more like afs on her way! I hope so, can't wait to get my clomid. Don't want to get pg just now if I am about to ov!

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[Dreamofpink]

When does the body just give up on ov for the month and get on with af? I've never ov'd later than cd22.

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[rainbowflower]

I would stop the acidophilus. Unlike a lot of these things, the probiotics were something I was having everyone do just as a blanket preventative measure against YI (so less likely that it's coincidence due to strictness/laxness of sways) and yet the stats are not so hot. We may need to revisit this if we start having the dire situations with YI like they did back on IG - thus far we've been spared the yeast plague due in part to the probiotics.

I wonder if all that lemon/lime/vinegar douching contributed to all the YI they had!

[mariposa]

Wow rainbow it's soooo amazing! I'm trying to make differents combinations and there's a lot of conclussions we can get! For example, I'm really impressed with the combo: LR+1 attempt (with independence of the frequency pattern and with the woman sway tactics) ..... It's 100% success in the 12 people who did..... Very interesting, it looks like if there would be "something" that LR makes in sperm, that favours x spermies (or "sleep" the y) in some way, specially with one attempt! (One attempt alone, without LR is not 100%... interesting) Thanks again!!

[rainbowflower]

that's fascinating, thanks Mariposa! I'd be interested to see what other combos you can derive from it :)

[suregena]

WOW. This is so comprehensive and must have taken forever to put together! Amazing. I went and checked through mine, which was already on there, and everything is correct. Although, I noticed later on that vegetarian diet you only have 1 person on there and a 0% success rate? My husband and I are both vegetarian and I do think that helped. Wasn't sure if it's something you wanted to add or not since that's my normal and his normal diet, anyway, but I still feel as though it was a factor for us. So I was like doing a hardcore veg LE diet in the beginning but then a more relaxed veg LE diet by conception. But it was still all vegetarian, obviously.


That is really amazing, though... kudos for all of that hard work! Wowza.

[Butterfly Spirit]

All mine is correct except # of attempts. There were 2. :)

Just for fun though I wish month of conception could be added.

[mariposa]

that's fascinating, thanks Mariposa! I'd be interested to see what other combos you can derive from it :)

the other conclussions that I have seen are probably more foreseeable, around the frequence, the clomid, the quantity of sperm inside...but specially the combination "LR+1" attempt draw my attention because there were a reasonable number of swayers (12) using it, using (very) different kind of sway tactics, so the common element were the LR and something envolved with it and the that makes along with a little sample (one attempt)... :think:
We know that LR reduces sperm count, X and Y, but 12 success from 12 (different tactics) sways, makes me think about the idea of the "primitive comunication" which atomic said, or something like this, maybe altering some element of the sperm liquid, maybe glucose level, and making more capable of survive to the x ones. We know a XX embryo is stronger than an XY embryo, so if the egg is always X, we could asume that X is "stronger" and Y "weaker" with independence of they survive the same amount of time, or speed the same fast which I totally believe, but maybe the Y needs more energy (like the XY embryo), to reach the egg and LR in some way makes a poor nutrient sperm...well of course I don´t know, just things that I think to explain the high success in 12 different sways between them, anyway it´s very interesting.... for sure, it´s not a magic bullet or a 100% but can help to decide if include or not to women who are thinking about it... :think:

[Dollydot]

Wow Thanks rainbowflower fab info .....

[atomic sagebrush]

When does the body just give up on ov for the month and get on with af? I've never ov'd later than cd22.

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It is totally unique by individual and even from month to month unfortunately.

If it goes on too long your doc should give you a shot to bring on AF.

[atomic sagebrush]

I wonder if all that lemon/lime/vinegar douching contributed to all the YI they had!

I totally believe this to be the case (the IG Blue swayers were also plagued with them becos of baking soda douches and fingers) and so by virtue of forgoing douches and doing jelly + antihistamine instead, maybe people won't even need to use probiotics.

[atomic sagebrush]

WOW. This is so comprehensive and must have taken forever to put together! Amazing. I went and checked through mine, which was already on there, and everything is correct. Although, I noticed later on that vegetarian diet you only have 1 person on there and a 0% success rate? My husband and I are both vegetarian and I do think that helped. Wasn't sure if it's something you wanted to add or not since that's my normal and his normal diet, anyway, but I still feel as though it was a factor for us. So I was like doing a hardcore veg LE diet in the beginning but then a more relaxed veg LE diet by conception. But it was still all vegetarian, obviously.


That is really amazing, though... kudos for all of that hard work! Wowza.

Y'know there may be something of statistical interest in husbands who have gone veg vs. those who ate meat.

BTW Rainbow I just want to point out that you should NOT feel pressure to do or add anything more onto this than you yourself wish to. What you have done is great and if anyone wants to tease it out any more than that then I hope they feel free to do it (rather than asking YOU to.) I know you're not going to sway for awhile but I'm still fretting over your T levels. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

All mine is correct except # of attempts. There were 2. :)

Just for fun though I wish month of conception could be added.

it can be if you'd like to go add them up and report back. I don't want Rainbow to feel like she has to do all this herself, KWIM??

[rainbowflower]

Butterfly - updated!
suregena - for the diet I just went with what people were doing during the conception cycle, even if they had done a different swaying diet or other before it!

[Mrs_P]

Crap, no doctor would ever give me clomid...I get pregnant just by washing my clothes with my DHs.

Me to i had to tell a few fibs to get clomid off my doctor but he gave me without any tests or monitoring! We've caught first month with all three of the boys Although from the looks of it you have your little girl anyway so i presume you are no longer swaying - moot point, congratulations!!

Just out of interest to rainbow the clomid stats look good and i really think it works but just wondering how you dealt with the boy part of the boy girl twins we've been seeing. Although there mamas are very happy (and rightly so too) there sways technically failed as well as succeed so counting the twins and the opposites (there were 2 i know of on here for definite, possibly more?) i've seen 4 boys born on clomid which compared to the 9 girls is still a good stat but less than 90% success over all the babies?

My thoughts on diet to, whilst it does work it is hard to compare between girls as my 'weak' diet when i'd been on it for a while and started to break (which yes it is hard living on nothing but dairylea sandwiches and plain pasta for months!) was still stronger than a lot of girls 'strict' diets and was still well within the limits. People have different ideas of a strict diet and do struggle when time elapses if they are really strict to begin with (only my 2 cents worth though)

Not sure if it matters for your chart but i did vitex and sp cycles before the clomid (which AS did recommend and the vitex did really effect my cycle and temperament and was probably still in my system) and my dh took calcium and magnesium supplement. I also took a fiber supplement and the gender calendar thing said girl for us (not that i think it has much if any weight at all as they are all different anyway!). Sorry if that sounds picky as i know how hard something like that is to put together and you can completely ignore this if you like as i think the main points of the sway are well covered regardless

[GeCon]

Y'know there may be something of statistical interest in husbands who have gone veg vs. those who ate meat.

Do you think on or the other may sway then?

[suregena]

I would think vegetarian men would be already naturally lower in testosterone then maybe a man who eats a meaty meat meat diet... which is what I was crossing my fingers for. Maybe my son was my real bit of magic and not my daughter to be! We now wonder if maybe we were always more likely to have girls. Who knows!

[Mrs_P]

it is recommended as part of a sway that your dh goes veggie if possible, mine ate way less meat than normal

[esoteric]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFO.


Before I discoverd this whole gender swaying thing I ended up with 2 boys, & I know now why, where can I put my info that is not through sway though, I don't want to wreck your data sheet? But I feel it is useful what I have to say through experience.

For both boys I ate cereal with bananas, berries and yogurt every single day. I just found out a Dutch study proves the cereal/healthy breakfast thing is about 80%, so I am living proof of it. I have always had healthy breakfasts. But I must correct myself, in all honesty, I did suffer a miscarriage between the two I was trying to reduce salt and going on a Girl Diet, but once I misscarried due to the blue period I ate lots of salty things & unintentionally/unplanned fell pregnant with BOY 2. However contrary to typical blue sway I rarely eat meat yet I have boys!

I will tell you I noticed friends & my sister in law that were eating an abundance of eggs prior to pregnancy ended up with girls. My sister in law had also gone on a drastic diet of low/no salt and she loves eggs (not to do with conceiving a girl but just for health reasons), it got her a girl when she wanted a boy). Organic eggs have less cholestrol (60% less than regular as the chickens are not stressed releasing hormones, causing higher levels of cholestrol & possible).

I thought I should share what I figured.

[Lilpumpkin06]

Hey! I just wanted to correct some information on my statistic. I did use Antihistamine while BD and we BD through or at OV because I never received a +OPK. We BD for 2 weeks I think every day and a couple times twice a day. Thanks for doing this!


Firstly, can anyone who gets their sway results from now on please add your sway to the spreadsheet using the following link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFRQSHVqWmk3djdqZThSSDBiQWM4bFE6M Q#gid=1
even if you get an opposite, it can help those planning future sways by making the statistics more accurate.

The results are here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuwCV-IDm3wodFRQSHVqWmk3djdqZThSSDBiQWM4bFE

The first sheet lists all the sways added. At the top are the results for those who tried each basic aspect of swaying (the yes/no answers). This includes:

exercise
supplements
douches
jump and dump
old wives tales
etc.


The second sheet has the more complex statistics for:

diet
number of attempts
timing
frequency
length of time on diet


Obviously because we are all doing so many factors for a sway it's hard to know whether it's the individual one that is swaying or because it's a mixture of things, but it's an interesting guide.

I have already added all the sways with results I found in the "Add your sway" section, the "swaying trends" thread, and the other swaying spreadsheet. So if you have already swayed and had results you will need to check that you aren't already in there. Thank you to Mariposa and Peanut41 for compiling the results I used too. xx

Note: The statistics do not automatically update when new sways are added so I need to manually do this. It's a limitation of the tool unfortunately.

[GeCon]

OH really only eats chicken and fish (tuna, cod, mussels). Would he need to drop both or just the chicken?

[Lilpumpkin06]

OH really only eats chicken and fish (tuna, cod, mussels). Would he need to drop both or just the chicken?

My husband continued his normal diet while I swayed. He ate red meat everyday as well as chicken and eggs. Anything that has protein he eats! Lol! We have 2 boys and now are expecting a girl! I really think maternal condition is what sways.

[rainbowflower]

updated the antihistamines for you lilpumpkin - thank you :)

[lobella2]

I think I am on here twice. One says Lobella and one says Lobella2. On my sway under name I guess I put Lobella and didn't add the 2 so maybe that is why there was confusion. The one that says Lobella is more accurate, (mainly because it has more info on it) but I did an LE diet with a few IG things included and I only used rephresh the first month I tried, but not the month I conceived. Sorry for the confusion, I just want to make sure the info is as accurate as possible:happy: Thank you for taking the time to do this it looks great!

[BabyGirl4Me]

lol I thought they both were just very low pH gels/lubes that are used as a one off, but I guess by that measure Replens ought to go in that category too! The category is not about using them together, it's using sylk OR acijel.I could separate them out but don't have the time now to go through all of them and check which said which.

I used to sit in a **** all day and look at spreadsheets and look for trends in data so I finally sat down with Excel and played with this spreadsheet.

I'm not done yet but had to post this right away. I looked at the boy/girl column and the aci-jel/sylk column. I can't find if KnockYourBallsOff used AciJel or sylk but all of the ladies who got boys and had YES in the acijel/sylk column used *sylk* and not Aci-Jel. I'm still going through the ones who got girls but that was rather surprising that every one I looked at used Sylk and got boys.

Let me also say a big thank you to rainbowflower for making this spreadsheet!

Also, take everything in this spreadsheet with a grain of salt. When looking at data it's super helpful to have massive qtys of data so you can determine outliers. While this is great, sadly we just don't have enough data on people who swayed yet to draw any blanket conclusions at all. All of us who are swaying are actually on the cutting edge of new research and this is all super exciting to think that maybe in 5-10 years we'll have enough data to draw more concrete conclusions about what does and doesn't work for swaying. Thanks ladies. <3

[meeks32]

the other conclussions that I have seen are probably more foreseeable, around the frequence, the clomid, the quantity of sperm inside...but specially the combination "LR+1" attempt draw my attention because there were a reasonable number of swayers (12) using it, using (very) different kind of sway tactics, so the common element were the LR and something envolved with it and the that makes along with a little sample (one attempt)... :think:
We know that LR reduces sperm count, X and Y, but 12 success from 12 (different tactics) sways, makes me think about the idea of the "primitive comunication" which atomic said, or something like this, maybe altering some element of the sperm liquid, maybe glucose level, and making more capable of survive to the x ones. We know a XX embryo is stronger than an XY embryo, so if the egg is always X, we could asume that X is "stronger" and Y "weaker" with independence of they survive the same amount of time, or speed the same fast which I totally believe, but maybe the Y needs more energy (like the XY embryo), to reach the egg and LR in some way makes a poor nutrient sperm...well of course I don´t know, just things that I think to explain the high success in 12 different sways between them, anyway it´s very interesting.... for sure, it´s not a magic bullet or a 100% but can help to decide if include or not to women who are thinking about it... :think:

What's LR?

[GeCon]

What's LR?

Liquorice Root?

[QOTD]

WOW! Thanks for putting in the time and effort to get this info together.

[rainbowflower]

I think I am on here twice. One says Lobella and one says Lobella2. On my sway under name I guess I put Lobella and didn't add the 2 so maybe that is why there was confusion. The one that says Lobella is more accurate, (mainly because it has more info on it) but I did an LE diet with a few IG things included and I only used rephresh the first month I tried, but not the month I conceived. Sorry for the confusion, I just want to make sure the info is as accurate as possible:happy: Thank you for taking the time to do this it looks great!
updated - thank you!

[black&gold]

Thanks so much for doing this, that's awesome! It also has grounded me again which my DH keeps trying to make me remember - regardless of all the extra things it's only 60% successful... which if I'm like most and have a 50/50 shot it's not bumping my odds THAT much. I was going SO sway obsessed thinking it was the be all end all.. but it's so true that a large portion is luck and luck could have a large part to play in most of these stats.. who knows!

So it's great to be reminded that these things can help.. but not to let them control your life (as it was doing mine). Thanks again for the effort - amazing!

[rainbowflower]

Thanks so much for doing this, that's awesome! It also has grounded me again which my DH keeps trying to make me remember - regardless of all the extra things it's only 60% successful... which if I'm like most and have a 50/50 shot it's not bumping my odds THAT much. I was going SO sway obsessed thinking it was the be all end all.. but it's so true that a large portion is luck and luck could have a large part to play in most of these stats.. who knows!

So it's great to be reminded that these things can help.. but not to let them control your life (as it was doing mine). Thanks again for the effort - amazing!

we don't know that the majority of women on here could have been 80-20 in favour of blue before swaying at all, so it could still be upping your chances by more than 10%

[black&gold]

we don't know that the majority of women on here could have been 80-20 in favour of blue before swaying at all, so it could still be upping your chances by more than 10%

I agree with this for sure! I just keep hearing people say everyone is 50/50 - even though I totally believe people can be 90-10% like myself HA ;)

I just meant more if you're trying to make a less accurate statement.. everyones 50/50 roughly so maybe 10% it helps. BUT, at the same time.. lots of people that got girls could have had so many others unknown factors that we can't even begin to imagine that added to that *rough* 10% to make it more 25% for them.. who knows! The bottom line is it's so unknown and you can do everything to perfection and still get a boy.. it's not 100% and I just have to remind myself of that often. But there are so many things on here that have results that show it works.. so I'm not doubting that at all.. just saying I've convinced myself it's almost a guarantee that if I eat 1 small piece of meat that I'm having a boy. Or vice versa that I'm doing such a strict diet that it's a guarantee I'll have a girl... Definitely not doubting anyones research!

[mommymachine]

What's compressed frequent release??

[mountainviews]

Thank you for this spreadsheet. It is awesome. I'm going to study it for my upcoming girl sway. Thanks again for all the work that went into it.

[mrs magoo]

Thanks so much rainbow!

So what are we all thinking for cal/mag now? This seems to indicate it sways pink?!

Does anyone know the stats they got for cal/mag on IG since its more promoted there?

[rainbowflower]

What's compressed frequent release??
it's a short-term frequent release. When the time comes to make your attempt(s) you get OH to release and discard once, or maybe twice in close succession. This empties out his supplies. Then you DTD within 8 hours, and can keep DTDing every 8 hours or so if you want more attempts. It's useful for timing it at pos OPK, or if you can't for some reason manage abstaining or daily FR for a long period; i.e. irregular cycles, time apart, DH with less stamina, etc. Also useful if you were planning to FR and miss a day, or abstain and something goes wrong.
a study has shown it significantly lowers sperm count, IMO possibly more than regular FR because it's so drastic at emptying them to begin with

[lollylegs]

Thank you Rainbow Flower - this is superb!

May I please check that spreadsheet two is a continuation (page break) from page 1 - so the rows should match up to forum names? I am interested in having a look a little deeper at some of the data, and knowing the names for page two will make that easier!

Also, echo-ing Mrs Magoo - can anyone pop in a link here to the background of mag component of the ca/mag supplementation?
Here is the calcium stuff I think Mrs Magoo ... :http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/609-calcium-conundrum-controversial.html and http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/642-calcium-conundrum-part-2-a.html

[rainbowflower]

Thank you Rainbow Flower - this is superb!

May I please check that spreadsheet two is a continuation (page break) from page 1 - so the rows should match up to forum names? I am interested in having a look a little deeper at some of the data, and knowing the names for page two will make that easier!

Also, echo-ing Mrs Magoo - can anyone pop in a link here to the background of mag component of the ca/mag supplementation?
Here is the calcium stuff I think Mrs Magoo ... :http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/609-calcium-conundrum-controversial.html and http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/642-calcium-conundrum-part-2-a.html
yes the rows should line up... but there isn't any info on there individual-sway-wise that isn't on the first page

[mommymachine]

I don't think I can convince DH to abstain. And FR is against our religion. So really my only option is Frequent BD. DH is only 25 so if we BD twice a day from AF to three days after O we should be good right??

[rainbowflower]

I don't think I can convince DH to abstain. And FR is against our religion. So really my only option is Frequent BD. DH is only 25 so if we BD twice a day from AF to three days after O we should be good right??
could you BD using a condom on alternate days so you can choose how many attempts you have, or have you help him to release so he's not doing that on his own and without BDing..?

[mommymachine]

Thanks for trying to help! But every sexual act has to be open to new life. So everything is allowed in foreplay but he always has to finish in me. So no condoms. And no him doing it himself. Hmmm. I could try talking him into abstaining. But would BD everyday still sway girl if I used aci-jel to keep pH down??

[rainbowflower]

Thanks for trying to help! But every sexual act has to be open to new life. So everything is allowed in foreplay but he always has to finish in me. So no condoms. And no him doing it himself. Hmmm. I could try talking him into abstaining. But would BD everyday still sway girl if I used aci-jel to keep pH down??

oh that's fascinating, what religion is that if you don't mind me asking? I was thinking it was just the DIY that was forbidden ;)

yes BD every day would still sway pink with a lowering lube/gel such as that or RepHresh.
Abstain might be easier to do if you want fewer attempts or worry about CM pH or hormones, but I guess really shallow finish plus immediate J&D would work too. Also, if he got close without BD and then finished shallow so minimal BDing... that would affect your hormones and CM less too.

[mommymachine]

oh that's fascinating, what religion is that if you don't mind me asking? I was thinking it was just the DIY that was forbidden ;)

yes BD every day would still sway pink with a lowering lube/gel such as that or RepHresh.
Abstain might be easier to do if you want fewer attempts or worry about CM pH or hormones, but I guess really shallow finish plus immediate J&D would work too. Also, if he got close without BD and then finished shallow so minimal BDing... that would affect your hormones and CM less too.

Thank you! We are Roman Catholic. The only birth control that is allowed is Natural Family Planning. So that's why I'm desperate for help on this. That's all very good info/advice thanks again!

[atomic sagebrush]

OH really only eats chicken and fish (tuna, cod, mussels). Would he need to drop both or just the chicken?

No. My DH ate red meat all the time when we were swaying. He also ate eggs several times a week (and he eats a LOT of eggs at one sitting, 4-6)

It's jsut something that may help a little bit and can't hurt.

[atomic sagebrush]

I used to sit in a **** all day and look at spreadsheets and look for trends in data so I finally sat down with Excel and played with this spreadsheet.

I'm not done yet but had to post this right away. I looked at the boy/girl column and the aci-jel/sylk column. I can't find if KnockYourBallsOff used AciJel or sylk but all of the ladies who got boys and had YES in the acijel/sylk column used *sylk* and not Aci-Jel. I'm still going through the ones who got girls but that was rather surprising that every one I looked at used Sylk and got boys.

Let me also say a big thank you to rainbowflower for making this spreadsheet!

Also, take everything in this spreadsheet with a grain of salt. When looking at data it's super helpful to have massive qtys of data so you can determine outliers. While this is great, sadly we just don't have enough data on people who swayed yet to draw any blanket conclusions at all. All of us who are swaying are actually on the cutting edge of new research and this is all super exciting to think that maybe in 5-10 years we'll have enough data to draw more concrete conclusions about what does and doesn't work for swaying. Thanks ladies. <3


^^^^This

I know of several people both here and on IG who used Acijel and got boys, and several people who got girls using Sylk (babydust). I'm not sure if they posted their sways or not (Pink Carol comes to mind)

Sylk is a better lube so if you need a lube desperately, I think the Sylk is a better bet. On paper I have a hard time believing that Sylk is swaying strongly blue for people - it harms sperm and is low in pH. I wonder if it may be something like, if your or DH's fertility is high enough to withstand the Sylk and still get you pg, you may be more blue-friendly to begin with (higher sperm numbers and/or more CM to dilute the Sylk) are already more likely to have boys. People who are able to get pg while using Sylk are a preselected group to begin with, if you see what I'm saying.

That's why stats can be so tricksy. ;)

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't think I can convince DH to abstain. And FR is against our religion. So really my only option is Frequent BD. DH is only 25 so if we BD twice a day from AF to three days after O we should be good right??

Why 3 days after O? you can stop sooner if you want to - odds of pg are between slim and none as soon as the next day after O. You may even want to try for a cutoff - I don't think cutoffs sway of course, but it is a way to ensure you'd have less sperm in your repro tract.

I think this is a good solution for you (and it's also how Nuthinbutpink got her girls) but try to keep in mind, frequency as a part of an overall sway probably doesn't sway by too awfully much.

[Kiara]

Cool! It exist something like this for boy swayers too?

[atomic sagebrush]

Cool! It exist something like this for boy swayers too?

Not to my knowledge. Anyone who wants to, please feel free to make one.

[rainbowflower]

Cool! It exist something like this for boy swayers too?

I'm happy to set up the form, spreadsheet, and rules if someone else wanted to populate it with all the sway data

[BabyGirl4Me]

^^^^This

I know of several people both here and on IG who used Acijel and got boys, and several people who got girls using Sylk (babydust). I'm not sure if they posted their sways or not (Pink Carol comes to mind)

Sylk is a better lube so if you need a lube desperately, I think the Sylk is a better bet. On paper I have a hard time believing that Sylk is swaying strongly blue for people - it harms sperm and is low in pH. I wonder if it may be something like, if your or DH's fertility is high enough to withstand the Sylk and still get you pg, you may be more blue-friendly to begin with (higher sperm numbers and/or more CM to dilute the Sylk) are already more likely to have boys. People who are able to get pg while using Sylk are a preselected group to begin with, if you see what I'm saying.

That's why stats can be so tricksy. ;)

Definitely, which is why I added the caveat about taking everything on the spreadsheet with a grain of salt. If we had these sway stats by the thousands, then I could do a lot more with this data. As it is, there's just not enough here to make any major determinations. I was just very surprised that out of those marked yes in the Aci-Jel/Sylk column the boys all had sylk in common and wanted to share my findings. That was the only surprising trend that wasn't already mentioned that I was able to pull out of *this* set of data. Again,the quantity of data is very small when looking at stats. I wish we had thousands more sways included here but hopefully in 5-10 years we'll have much more sway data and maybe then we'll be able to draw some more concrete conclusions. :HH:

[mommymachine]

Why 3 days after O? you can stop sooner if you want to - odds of pg are between slim and none as soon as the next day after O. You may even want to try for a cutoff - I don't think cutoffs sway of course, but it is a way to ensure you'd have less sperm in your repro tract.

I think this is a good solution for you (and it's also how Nuthinbutpink got her girls) but try to keep in mind, frequency as a part of an overall sway probably doesn't sway by too awfully much.

Thanks again! My DD was actually a 4-5 day cut off, but we didn't do abstain nor FBD with her...just whatever. But I know that's a bit longer. So maybe a 3 day cut off?

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks again! My DD was actually a 4-5 day cut off, but we didn't do abstain nor FBD with her...just whatever. But I know that's a bit longer. So maybe a 3 day cut off?

3 at absolute max.

[atomic sagebrush]

if someone is really bored they could check to see if there are stats for sylk on the other sites

[BabyGirl4Me]

After my sway is over and I get my BFP I would love to spend more time looking at sways and going over data. I'll need a new side project to occupy my free time while I wait to hear girl. :D

[sbowman]

I did not see any stats on IG for sylk (I'm not a member so I can't access their private forums), but did find many sways and people who claimed to use sylk and got girls. One lady took a poll, and out of 12 people that used sylk, 7 got a girl and 5 got a boy. I think it would be really difficult to tell one way or the other, because a lot of ladies are using sylk+other methods (lime douching or sylk & aci-jel together, some use only a fingertip and some use tons, etc). I'm leaning toward leaving it out of my sway when we do attempt.

[atomic sagebrush]

I totally agree - there's really no way to know how much people used.

I'd still use it as a lube - the vaginal dryness that pink swayers can get is a really big problem.

[Maple]

Hi Rainbowflower!

I filled in the pink questionnaire with my sway.

Glad to help! I really appreciate the knowledge and support on this site.

XX

[rainbowflower]

Hi Rainbowflower!

I filled in the pink questionnaire with my sway.

Glad to help! I really appreciate the knowledge and support on this site.

XX
thank you!

we've had quite a few new sways added this week so I've updated the statistics

[rainbowflower]

stats updated in first post

[meeks32]

So, so so appreciated, thank you!

[retrolove1]

Thanks for the great information.

Is this based on every sway or personalised ones? Only asking because I think if I try going alone then I will miss something. Im already quite confused with what I should and shouldn't be doing.

Thanks x

[meeks32]

Thanks for the great information.

Is this based on every sway or personalised ones? Only asking because I think if I try going alone then I will miss something. Im already quite confused with what I should and shouldn't be doing.

Thanks x

This is based on both, according to a detailed survey that many women complete when they get pg, and update when they find out the sex.

I went for a personalised plan after about 5 months going it alone, it was 100% worth it. I thought I knew a lot but even I had been doing a few things wrong, and it just takes out the confusion.

Plus you get a private forum to talk to atomic about any questions you have along the way each month. It's so good!

[inshaallahxx]

Haha!

Look at it this way tho - we have learned a couple things that will only make your sway better even without the Clomid.

What would you say these things are?
I really don't want to use the clomid since I don't NEED it at all. But then when I keep going back to these statistics I feel GUILTY. Then I think about using it and it makes me nervous too.

[Ciansmummy]

Really helpful post, thanks!!

[inshaallahxx]

Not that this matter for me but I was wondering if there was one like this for those swaying blue.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks so much rainbow!

So what are we all thinking for cal/mag now? This seems to indicate it sways pink?!

Does anyone know the stats they got for cal/mag on IG since its more promoted there?

I believe it to be totally a coincidence - lots of people just toss it in there.

The blue swayers are getting 70-80% including dairy, and several of us got girls without calmag after failed sways where we were taking a lot, so it CANNOT be swaying in any kind of "magic bullet" fashion.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you Rainbow Flower - this is superb!

May I please check that spreadsheet two is a continuation (page break) from page 1 - so the rows should match up to forum names? I am interested in having a look a little deeper at some of the data, and knowing the names for page two will make that easier!

Also, echo-ing Mrs Magoo - can anyone pop in a link here to the background of mag component of the ca/mag supplementation?
Here is the calcium stuff I think Mrs Magoo ... :http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/609-calcium-conundrum-controversial.html and http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/642-calcium-conundrum-part-2-a.html

The only reason the mag is included is because it's supposed to help with calcium absorption. We don't even know, even if calcium sways to begin with, if we want that calcium to even BE absorbed or floating around unabsorbed and getting excreted.

[atomic sagebrush]

What would you say these things are?
I really don't want to use the clomid since I don't NEED it at all. But then when I keep going back to these statistics I feel GUILTY. Then I think about using it and it makes me nervous too.

Exercise, fiber

[atomic sagebrush]

Not that this matter for me but I was wondering if there was one like this for those swaying blue.
No but I wish there was.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for the great information.

Is this based on every sway or personalised ones? Only asking because I think if I try going alone then I will miss something. Im already quite confused with what I should and shouldn't be doing.

Thanks x

Just wanted to let everyone know that the custom sway people DO NOT get any secret insider info, I am committed to providing sway info for everyone. The only thing you're really paying for is my time (which I appreciate because it keeps me able to do this as a job rather than having to go to work.)

[meeks32]

Just wanted to let everyone know that the custom sway people DO NOT get any secret insider info, I am committed to providing sway info for everyone. The only thing you're really paying for is my time (which I appreciate because it keeps me able to do this as a job rather than having to go to work.)

Agree. I am so impressed with how the vast majority of information on this site is available for free, or the $12 dream membership. It's so well researched and reasoned and I found it easy to sway for 6 months without a custom plan.

The custom plan does give you a private forum with atomic and for anyone that feels confused by all the info it is a quick simple way to basically get a set of clear simple instructions for TTC girl that are tailored to you and dh and your specific situation (age/medical history/preferences for swaying etc). Even after 6 months swaying without it I found value in the plan.

[2lovelyboys]

I bought the custom plan in an aim to minimise the stress of planning a sway. I can become very obsessive and stressed about planning things like this, having a plan written specifically for me has reduced the stress and continual self questioning and hopefully kept T levels in check!

[meeks32]

I bought the custom plan in an aim to minimise the stress of planning a sway. I can become very obsessive and stressed about planning things like this, having a plan written specifically for me has reduced the stress and continual self questioning and hopefully kept T levels in check!

Exactly how I felt! It makes it all a no-brainier, and so much less stressful.

[BabyGirl4Me]

Is there a correlation between how many months TTC vs conceiving pink or blue? Are there any plans to add the # of months it took to conceive on this spreadsheet? I got pg my first month TTC and am worried about that. Do women who are one hit wonders and sway pink tend to have boys??

:nails:

[Mrs.tinkerbell]

If I pay for the personalised gender swaying service would that's ice include being a dream member too?

[atomic sagebrush]

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/have-question-about-plans-service/22322-custom-sway-plan-faq.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Is there a correlation between how many months TTC vs conceiving pink or blue? Are there any plans to add the # of months it took to conceive on this spreadsheet? I got pg my first month TTC and am worried about that. Do women who are one hit wonders and sway pink tend to have boys??

:nails:

On average blue swayers tend to get pg sooner than pink swayers.

There are plenty of OHW who got girls - check out Zanacal's sway for one of them.

[atomic sagebrush]

If I pay for the personalised gender swaying service would that's ice include being a dream member too?

Here's the Custom Sway Plan FAQ http://genderdreaming.com/forum/have-question-about-plans-service/22322-custom-sway-plan-faq.html

[Mrs.tinkerbell]

Lovely all paid for. So how will I know when I need to fill questionnaires out,

[atomic sagebrush]

I see you figured it out, I have gotten your questionnaires and will get right to work on your plan. Thank you!

[meeks32]

wow check out the soy iso stats update! Hope some more people add their sways soon! Particularly Clomid ones!!

[2lovelyboys]

wow check out the soy iso stats update! Hope some more people add their sways soon! Particularly Clomid ones!!

Me too! Clomid stats are impressive so far!

[Spiiffy]

Thank you so much for this spreadsheet. I am a numbers kinda person and I really appreciate all your work on this!

[rainbowflower]

I have just added some new sections:

* multiples conceived
* used personalised plan
* cycles TTC

I haven't yet set up the statistics maths for these yet and will do that later today after the boys are in bed

I don't have time to go over all the old sways and update them with this new info (staying off swaying forums at present), does anyone want to volunteer to do this? if so, let me know in here and I'll give you edit access to the spreadsheet

[rainbowflower]

those stats are updated (and still needs someone to revisit currently added sways and add the info for them)

BUT while I was at it I've added a load of extra stats on a new sheet called "Inverse".
The stats on the main page (for the yes/no questions) show the success rate of those who tried each swaying factor. On the Inverse page they show the success rate for those who didn't try that swaying factor.

For example, of those who TRIED to conceive using the old wives tales such as girls clothes under the bed 61.7% had a girl which makes it look like this sways pink, but of those who DIDN'T TRY the old wives tales 60.4% had girls so there isn't really much difference between those who included it and those who didn't.

It might not be interesting or useful, but I thought I'd add it just to see what the results were.

[atomic sagebrush]

Brilliant idea, thank you!!!!! Fantastic.

:bowdown:

[meeks32]

You are amazing! I wish I had the skills or time to help add the old sway data you need, I hope someone else helps you out because this spreadsheet helps us all!

Love the inverse idea and I would suggest if TTC girl sways overall are around 60-65% success then perhaps that's why even the inverse of old wives tales type sways are a similar percent?

[rainbowflower]

You are amazing! I wish I had the skills or time to help add the old sway data you need, I hope someone else helps you out because this spreadsheet helps us all!

Love the inverse idea and I would suggest if TTC girl sways overall are around 60-65% success then perhaps that's why even the inverse of old wives tales type sways are a similar percent?

I think the majority of stats are around 60-65% actually, not just the OWT ones?

[meeks32]

I think the majority of stats are around 60-65% actually, not just the OWT ones?

Sorry yes that's kind of what I meant, but didn't explain right. I think the OWT ones are linked to the 'real' methods in that most pimple that put a pink outfit under their bed, also do LE or take aspirin or time frequency KWIM?

If I can get 60-65% chance of a girl I'll be so happy. Without swaying I would have had 95% chance of a boy, with all the things I did naturally. So that's a big sway in the other direction. As we get more stats it will become clearer what things are working better and worse too.

Thanks again for all your amazing work!

[Becca.lms]

Whaaaaaaaat, I thought the Soy Iso swayed boy? Also does anyone have a link to Zanacals sway? I couldn't find it. Thanks!!

[BabyGirl4Me]

Becca - it seems the jury is still out on whether soy sways blue or pink. Personally I believe it varies a bit from person to person. I think soy was a big reason why I conceived DS back in 2011 when I ate primarily vegan so I completely nixed soy from my diet for a good 4 months before my attempt. For other people soy seems to sway pink. Personally I'd stay away from soy if you're swaying pink as it's a good protein source and you need to watch out for that while swaying pink. Good luck!

[Becca.lms]

Becca - it seems the jury is still out on whether soy sways blue or pink. Personally I believe it varies a bit from person to person. I think soy was a big reason why I conceived DS back in 2011 when I ate primarily vegan so I completely nixed soy from my diet for a good 4 months before my attempt. For other people soy seems to sway pink. Personally I'd stay away from soy if you're swaying pink as it's a good protein source and you need to watch out for that while swaying pink. Good luck!

What about the Soy Iso pills?

[BabyGirl4Me]

What about the Soy Iso pills?

This essay may help you: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/1881-super-soy-girl-boy.html

[Becca.lms]

This essay may help you: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/1881-super-soy-girl-boy.html

Trust me, I've read it. Results are just conflicting! My son just sat on me to fart...I need a girl. Haha thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

Whaaaaaaaat, I thought the Soy Iso swayed boy? Also does anyone have a link to Zanacals sway? I couldn't find it. Thanks!!

I think it sways pink, but I suspect it may be the type of thing where if you do it with an HE Diet, it may help sway blue, and if you do it with an LE Diet, it may help sway pink, for reasons that are too involved for me to get into now.

[meeks32]

Becca - it seems the jury is still out on whether soy sways blue or pink. Personally I believe it varies a bit from person to person. I think soy was a big reason why I conceived DS back in 2011 when I ate primarily vegan so I completely nixed soy from my diet for a good 4 months before my attempt. For other people soy seems to sway pink. Personally I'd stay away from soy if you're swaying pink as it's a good protein source and you need to watch out for that while swaying pink. Good luck!

Ladies soy iso and soy in soy milk or dietary products like soy yoghurt are NOT the same thing.

Soy iso stats aren't great anyway now but it has previously been believed to sway girl. Soy milk and yoghurt etc would sway boy due to the high level of nutrients in soy milk, and fat and protein. Unless taken carefully within le diet limits.

I had two boys drinking TONS of soy milk by the way. But took soy iso for 3 months while TTC this time before starting clomid.

[rainbowflower]

stats updated in first post

[QOTD]

Thank you Rainbow flower!
My sway is over and the waiting game is on to see if it worked. Seeing the stats in plain writing like you have done gives me reassurance that I did many things to help swings things in favour of a girl for me.

[meeks32]

I still love your ongoing dedication to this rainbow, thanks so much for updating when there is new data.

[rainbowflower]

aww thanks, I get an email whenever someone adds a record so I'm happy to go and update it now and again when we've had a few new ones arriving

[Soar]

Thanks so much for doing these stats! These numbers make me happy when when looking at all I used in my girl sway!!! Thanks again for putting in the time and effort! Blessings!

[Perfect3]

I'm new to the board and to this but the New Moon statistics are making me sad. I ovulate almost exactly on the full moon every month. It looks like one of the strongest sways on here. :(

[atomic sagebrush]

stats updated in first post

thank you!!!!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm new to the board and to this but the New Moon statistics are making me sad. I ovulate almost exactly on the full moon every month. It looks like one of the strongest sways on here. :(

PLEASE don't read much into that. Once you start to sway, your O starts to do weird stuff and you may end up Oing on a totally different day anyway.

Does it really make a ton of sense that the moon is swaying gender that strongly??

[porcelina]

This spreadsheet is so awesome. I also went through and did a check for timing (cutoff) +just ONE attempt, and found the following:

OV/pos OPK => 16/25 = 64%
2-3 days =>7/10 = 70%
O+12 => 6/7 = 85%
4-5 days => 1/1 ==>we all know what that percentage is, but with just one of these, this is not really worth calculating!

[atomic sagebrush]

Again, I just want to point out that having spent lo these many years on the boards by now, there is no way of knowing when people actually ovulated. Even people with a high level of expertise are having trouble calculating O (me! I totally missed O with DS 4 and with DD I thought I had Oed 2 or 3 days later than I really did and both times I was shocked at my ultrasound).

So maybe it was a cutoff, maybe it wasn't, maybe it was O+12, maybe it wasn't.

I really think that the stats reflect the following "truth" of swaying - the people who do the strictest sways, IF they can get pg doing that, are the ones who are the most likely to do timing. Strict sways succeed more often than relaxed ones - except for the people who start off TOO strict, can't get pg, and then end up dropping everything all at once. :) That skews the stats too.

The stats are great but please ladies, don't read too much into them. The best data we have at our disposal shows 50-50 boys and girls conceived every day of the cycle.

[rainbowflower]

Again, I just want to point out that having spent lo these many years on the boards by now, there is no way of knowing when people actually ovulated. Even people with a high level of expertise are having trouble calculating O (me! I totally missed O with DS 4 and with DD I thought I had Oed 2 or 3 days later than I really did and both times I was shocked at my ultrasound).

So maybe it was a cutoff, maybe it wasn't, maybe it was O+12, maybe it wasn't.

I really think that the stats reflect the following "truth" of swaying - the people who do the strictest sways, IF they can get pg doing that, are the ones who are the most likely to do timing. Strict sways succeed more often than relaxed ones - except for the people who start off TOO strict, can't get pg, and then end up dropping everything all at once. :) That skews the stats too.

The stats are great but please ladies, don't read too much into them. The best data we have at our disposal shows 50-50 boys and girls conceived every day of the cycle.

completely agree, although have to point out that ultrasound dates can be wrong by up to a week too. With DS2 it told me that we had conceived him before we'd even DTD that cycle (and we know our DTD dates for definite) so obviously not possible ;)

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, I would never secondguess your experience but my understanding is that it depends on when the ultrasound was done. If it's early on in pregnancy then it's considered extremely accurate because babies are on a strict timeline of development, and they're not going off size per se but off of the presence or absence of certain markers that are only around for a particular stage of development.

I certainly believe there could be exceptions to this but for most people, it's more likely that they just oed at a different time than when they thought they did, KWIM??

Later in pregnancy then the differences start to creep in because it's no longer about development, it's about size and weight and so genetic variation begins to matter more and more.

[rainbowflower]

nope actually the early ones are LESS likely to be accurate because the baby is so small and there's more room for error - even mismeasuring by a mm could result in a very different date being given (seeing as this is done by a human being clicking where the body starts/ends), including if baby isn't completely side on which is hard to judge before they have arms. The dating scans are done when it's considered to be *most* accurate - baby is still growing at a steady and fairly consistent rate yet is big enough for user error on the measurements to matter less, but even that can be up to a week out and by that point you do also get a small bit of variation in baby size for gestation too. All of this assumes that the technology is also perfectly accurate. They say a good tech can get the date right to within a couple of days if done around the 12 week mark.

and after the 13 week mark genetics and baby health comes more into play and baby growth rates vary so that's why they don't change your dates after that point if you have a scan

the only way to know for sure when you ovulate(d) is to have daily ultrasounds of the follicle around the time of ovulation to see when it releases. Everything else isn't actually very accurate

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, well, sorry that I was in a hurry, I am not referring to the VERY early ultrasounds where the baby is, like, invisible.

Studies at 12-13 weeks gestation (meaning, the "early" ultrasounds, because most women have one at 12-13 weeks and then the "late" ultrasound a 20 weeks) are considered extremely accurate. 97-100% accurate in studies. So I stand by what I said previously, the majority of cases the early ultrasounds are far more accurate than someone who just thinks they know when they ovulated, because even people with a high level of expertise can be wrong on that. Again, I'm not saying that was YOUR experience, because there are certainly techs out there who make mistakes and have bad days sometimes. But it was MY experience twice over where I was pretty darn sure I knew when I had gotten pg, and then surprised at the ultrasound and thought back and was like, oh yeah, we did BD then. And sure enough, both babies came in the time frame that was predicted by the ultrasound and not my dates.

[Becca.lms]

I got an early ultrasound done and it was correct down to the day when I got my +opk. Scan wasat 10 weeks.

[HopingWishingPraying]

Hi Rainbow Flower. Just updating as I know people were waiting for more clomid sway results to come in. I had a baby girl last week after clomid + LE and other stuff. My sway is in my sig - hope it helps. Thanks again for compiling these wonderful spread sheets - they really helped me in my "season of waiting" and am sure they will help many people.

[meeks32]

Congrats Hoping! I think there have been a few clomid opposites lately too, I hope there are enough soon so spreadsheet can be updated again. Thanks for posting!

[Soar]

I'm interested in the new stats too! I'll keep stalking this thread for updates when you get time to do it. I am sure it's a big task to get it all in with little ones at home.

[rainbowflower]

if you open the spreadsheet the stats at the top (and on the diets tab) are up to date at the moment

[Soar]

Rainbow flower- you are a saint! Thank you so much for updating this!

[carameline]

The soy has good results! Is that when given to dh or taken by dw?

[meeks32]

Rainbow you are amazing! Thankyou

[rainbowflower]

The soy has good results! Is that when given to dh or taken by dw?
those were all taken by DW at the start of the cycle in a similar way to clomid, it's soy isoflavones not dietary soy


Rainbow you are amazing! Thankyou
aww thanks!

[o18e]

I am so glad I stumbled on this thread. It shows me what options are out there and what seems to work better than others. Thank you so much for all of the work that was put into collaborating the stats.

[Raining]

This is great! Appreciate whoever did this. How often is it updated?

[rainbowflower]

This is great! Appreciate whoever did this. How often is it updated?

I get an email when new sways are added to it, so update it periodically when a few new ones come in

[BeadinMom]

RainbowFlower, YOU ROCK!!! :)

So reading this, it sounds like getting pregnant 3 weeks after my chemical could work in my favor for pink!!! Can't wait to let you guys know!!!

[Raining]

I get an email when new sways are added to it, so update it periodically when a few new ones come in

Oh great. Thanks for doing this!

[rainbowflower]

just updated the stats on the main page because I hadn't done it in nearly 3 months

NOTE new statistics for "1 attempt + J&D", BCP, Plan, average TTC cycles, TTC >3 cycles, and TTC <= 3 cycles

[coralsky]

just wanted to say thank you so much for this, it is sooooo helpful!...and I agree you are amazing!!!

:bowdown:

xxx

[Soar]

Awesome work!!! Thanks again! Sure make a 17 week pregnant lady feel good to read these stats! There is hope it might be a girl! Will find out in 3 weeks!

[illinoismom]

THANK YOU so much for all your hard work!! It is so appreciated ;)

[atomic sagebrush]

thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

just wanted to thank you again, much appreciated

[rainbowflower]

I'm going to be about less, so I've just updated the stats in the first post possibly for the last time in a while (I'll keep updating the spreadsheet stats themselves as more sways are added, but won't update the results on here)

I've added the one that was my own theory, left sleeping. Also added alcohol.... and about to add inverses too

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much for having done all this rainbow. It's so very much appreciated.

[rainbowflower]

there we go, inverses added. I think it can be quite interesting to compare some of those things with those who said they didn't use each swaying technique and those who did.

[sbowman]

I loooove the inverse feature. I especially like the inverse stats for new moon/Chinese gender calendar. Still over 60% success with people who didn't use them...I think a lot of people get hung up on this stupid Chinese gender chart (including me, even though there are like five different ones and none of them get it right).


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[Soar]

Thanks so much for updating this! You have put a lot of work into this and it's really appreciated!

[atomic sagebrush]

I loooove the inverse feature. I especially like the inverse stats for new moon/Chinese gender calendar. Still over 60% success with people who didn't use them...I think a lot of people get hung up on this stupid Chinese gender chart (including me, even though there are like five different ones and none of them get it right).


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Good point! thanks for noticing that - I will use that next time someone posts a Chinese Gender Predictor thread!! :) (I would not even HAVE GD if not for that fecking thing! :))

[Alicewonder]

Yeah, I checked the Chinese predictor when I found out I was preg with DS lol
It clearly wasn't right for me it said GIRL, DS is proof it wasn't right. I'm ignoring it this time. I doubt ill even check when preg cause it wasn't right the first time.

[rainbowflower]

true, most of the "weird" ones like that (including old wives tales) seem pretty close to the inverse

the ions one still surprises me, though, that's much higher than the inverse although of course could just be coincidence. But you'd think if it were only down to people trying everything resulting in stronger sways the OWT ones would be showing similar results

[atomic sagebrush]

The prob. with the ions is that people have a wide level of compliance. One person may do EVERYTHING for ions and someone else may do one tiny thing but both people report it as being ions. Whereas you either have a wooden spoon under the bed, or you don't. Plus ions take some effort while anyone can stick a pink outfit under the bed or whatever. So I do think there could easily be something where people swaying more strictly were more likely to do ions (even if just in the form of a bracelet or lavender lotion).

There were plenty of ions opposites on IG with people doing far far more than anyone does on here. I mean they had magnets in their underwear, $500 ionizers, and all kinds of stuff. The blue swayers were burning incense and sleeping under electric blankets and still getting opposites. So that is one where I personally believe it's correlation and not causation. It seems very unlikely to me that if ions sway, that a person who uses a little lavender lotion or wore one single bracelet is gonna get the same results as someone who did everything under the sun, yet I would bet that's what most of the people who included ions (at least on this site) did. So when i see opposites with the "everything under the sun" people, successes with lavender lotion, and then people like Zanacal and I and the many IG blue sway opposites who actually were exposed to positive ions and got girls - it doesn't add up.

Of course doing a few little cheap things to include ions probably does not hurt anything but I don't want anyone to do like they did on IG and "up the ions" to make up for shortcomings in diets. :)

[Mrs_Incredible]

I did the magnet thing ... The shame ;-) xx
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[atomic sagebrush]

AAA I'm sorry not meaning to call anyone out on it, whatever works! - but we gotta know what does work and if people are doing undie magnets and getting opposites, then there's just no way that using a little lavender lotion is getting high % successful sway numbers and it is likely a coincidence! :heart:

[rainbowflower]

I wonder if the lavender is swaying not by ions but by hormones (of course no way of knowing this for sure), but I do think the results are much higher than we'd expect especially as it's easier to keep these things than drop them if swaying for several months. You'd think other things would be much lower too in that case (like lubes, etc) so it does seem to defy the change of people making sway-cuts. Ultimately I think they're fairly easy to do and easy to keep up so no harm in including them especially with results like that



Zanacal and I and the many IG blue sway opposites who actually were exposed to positive ions and got girls
sorry I can't remember the details of your sway, but I know Zana had a super-strong sway even without the ions!

[atomic sagebrush]

And I'd never tell anyone otherwise, and in fact I include things like lavender lotion in the Custom Sway Plans for anyone who wants them.

But the problem is that it's not broken down in terms of lavender lotion vs. rose quartz vs. ionizers, so when people see in some statistics that "ions are swaying X amount" and I do not offer any explanation, then they begin to believe that ions in and of themselves are doing something. But based on the stuff I saw on IG where people doing way more ion stuff and were still getting opposites, that they are not. It's my job to point that out because I do not want to see people shelling out $500 for these things that I do not believe sway whatsoever. Lotion, bracelet, whatever, that's a tiny expense and does no harm. But some of the people were buying a ton of stuff (some people spent thousands) and using "ions" to justify doing lesser sways in other ways, and a lot of them got opposites.

ANYONE can smear some lotion on themselves or wear a bracelet, and then report that "I used ions". We have NO WAY to know on the basis of the stats, who did what and how strict they were. Lavender lotion, unlike jellies, etc do not inhibit conception and so people keep them in the mix even as they drop other things (i.e. peopel who have a long time on diet will drop everything but will still do ions). I think people who tend to be strict, put the ions in there and keep them in because they don't inhibit conception. And those are the same people who are stricter on diet and all the rest of it. There are a lot of people who don't really think swaying is going to work, and they are more relaxed overall and they don't tend to include ions. (and that is FINE, it is fine to leave them in, it is fine to keep them out, it is each individual's call to make). my point is that the people who are self-selected to include/exclude ions are not random groups to start with.

I sat on my computer all day long and in the car in heavy traffic 500 miles every weekend, and bathed in pos ions. Zana and her husband both put laptops in their laps which are supposed to be terrible for ions. Strict sway, no strict sway, there are gobs people out there who do the "wrong" things for ions, even blue IG swayers who were bathing in pos ions, and still get girls. One lady on IG who was a big ion person and actually went into business selling ion-related stuff for pink sways and did such a strict sway she didn't conceive for two years, got a boy opposite. It's just not my experience or opinion that ions sway, others have different opinions and that's why we have this site, so everyone can have the sways that they want. :)

[2bnaday]

Thank you again VERY much for your work on this, rainbowflower! It's such an incredible reference and tool...you're very much appreciated!!

[sbowman]

I thought of something that might be nice to see, and if this is too much I totally understand...but I think it would be interesting to see sways by year...to see if we are getting more successful, you know? Or sways by month or by quarter...might also show if there's a trend for more success in some months/seasons versus others.


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[atomic sagebrush]

We've def. seen a huge improvement in the numbers recently. :agree:

[rainbowflower]

I'd hope it will improve, especially as now some things are seeming to sway more significantly than others

although I hope it doesn't improve just because those who get an opposite don't feel strong enough to post their sways on here... whereas the first 100 I added based on the results in the "Add your sway" section

[atomic sagebrush]

At the same time though, even if it doesn't improve, we have consistently gotten in the 65% range and blue swayers have gotten 80% ish - so going from some of us who may hve been 80% likely to have boys to 65% likely to have girls, is HUGE. Swaying cannot and will not ever be 100 so I hope that people are not disappointed with 65 - I think an honest 65% where we are including everyone in the stats without cherry picking the numbers is fantastic. if we can consistently alter the gender ratio from 50-50, or in the case of those of us with 3-4-5 boys where our chances may be more like 60-40 or even worse, that's a really, really big deal.

While of course i will always strive to improve the sway, I don't want anyone to have false hope that swaying is just a breakthrough away from a sure thing, I just do not believe that to be the case and no magic bullets are forthcoming.

[atomic sagebrush]

At the same time though, even if it doesn't improve, we have consistently gotten in the 65% range and blue swayers have gotten 80% ish - so going from some of us who may hve been 80% likely to have boys to 65% likely to have girls, is HUGE. Swaying cannot and will not ever be 100 so I hope that people are not disappointed with 65 - I think an honest 65% where we are including everyone in the stats without cherry picking the numbers is fantastic. if we can consistently alter the gender ratio from 50-50, or in the case of those of us with 3-4-5 boys where our chances may be more like 60-40 or even worse, that's a really, really big deal.

While of course i will always strive to improve the sway, I don't want anyone to have false hope that swaying is just a breakthrough away from a sure thing, I just do not believe that to be the case and no magic bullets are forthcoming.

[rainbowflower]

I agree, I think 65% for women who are naturally blue swayers is a good result. I think the other forum was quoting 80% success or something like that (although I could never find the spreadsheet with this on it) but I find it hard to believe given the results we're seeing here and the poor success of the IG diet in our stats- perhaps people feel so criticised for getting an opposite that they don't post if they're having an opposite. Who knows.

BTW no blue swayers seem to be posting results on the spreadsheet and I haven't had to update it in ages as a result. Perhaps there have been no results to post... I don't check into there to see.

[rainbowflower]

a few new fields... and the stats they're currently at

PCOS - (5 sways, 80% got girls) - I was surprised there weren't more actually, only 5 who mentioned PCOS in their "add your sway" section
RLT/peppermint tea (5 sways, 80%)
Olive leaf extract (5 sways, 100%)
cinnamon (2 sways, 100%)


also worth noting that the clomid stats have dropped quite a bit lately down to 75% following a little flurry of opposites... now 28 clomid sways in the spreadsheet.

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree, I think 65% for women who are naturally blue swayers is a good result. I think the other forum was quoting 80% success or something like that (although I could never find the spreadsheet with this on it) but I find it hard to believe given the results we're seeing here and the poor success of the IG diet in our stats- perhaps people feel so criticised for getting an opposite that they don't post if they're having an opposite. Who knows.

BTW no blue swayers seem to be posting results on the spreadsheet and I haven't had to update it in ages as a result. Perhaps there have been no results to post... I don't check into there to see.

Re the results on IG, they do not include anyone who doesn't include 5 of 7 sway "factors" so that immediately rules out everyone who isn't willing to be super duper strict. But at the same time I know they have included people who didn't do all the sway factors, when they had a successful sway. It's kinda like, anyone who hears pink is included no matter what, and if peopel didn't hear pink, they are not included in the numbers because that sway is so hard to enact that there is practically always some reason to leave them out. Plus, I am simply not buying that they can possibly be doing these kitchen sink sways when so many people on here are unable to get pg doing only a fraction of that stuff. I do know of at least three people who had successful sways and then tried to do it again and got opposites, but didn't post those results, not sure why.

I also have never been able to find the spreadsheet tallied up anwhere on IG. The only thing I've ever found was the odds for at home high tech and those were 50-50 for pink.

I'm sorry to hear that the blue swayers aren't posting, we actually have many fewer blue swayers so we may just not have had enough results yet. We have had 14 of 19 successes, 5 opposites posted publicly and then 2 more successful blue Custom plans who did not want to post for privacy reasons so we are getting good results with blue.

[atomic sagebrush]

a few new fields... and the stats they're currently at

PCOS - (5 sways, 80% got girls) - I was surprised there weren't more actually, only 5 who mentioned PCOS in their "add your sway" section
RLT/peppermint tea (5 sways, 80%)
Olive leaf extract (5 sways, 100%)
cinnamon (2 sways, 100%)


also worth noting that the clomid stats have dropped quite a bit lately down to 75% following a little flurry of opposites... now 28 clomid sways in the spreadsheet.


Thank you!!!

[Trishy74]

Okay ladies, so maybe I'm reading the chart wrong and maybe this was already mentioned...but I have to be honest, I haven't gone through the 19 pages of this thread. I've gone through the last 2, sorry, at work. My question is on the inverse sheet, if I'm reading it correctly, it saying that cranberry/aspirin, rephresh and calcium/magnesium supps are doing better when included in the girl sway, than not? I thought the calcium magnesium supplements weren't doing well? I had taken them for a day and stopped them immediately in August b/c I was told that there wasn't any confidence in using them to get a girl. I apologize if I'm reading the sheet wrong. Can someone clarify for me so I know if I should start taking calcium/magnesium supplements?

Also, for the Rephresh, I assume it's getting great stats. If so, is it the Rephresh Gel that the ladies are using? I'm about to finish my period (on last day or so) and I wanted to start using it but not sure which to buy. I'm also awaiting to hear back about hubby's sperm count in the meantime. Would you advise me not to use Rephresh if they find a reduced sperm count? I probably won't have test results until next week and I probably am going to get a positive OPK around Christmas Eve. Thanks for everyone's help.

[atomic sagebrush]

I have data from an actual scientific study done on women who were not swaying in any way, that show higher intake cal and mag = more boys conceived. That is worth much more than our stats which are tainted and muddled because people are all doing 7000 other things to sway. It is my opinion that calcium and magnesium sway blue, particularly when used with Vit. D, and I got my boy taking gobs of the stuff and my girl without it, as have tons of other people. Biologically the theory the cal-mag is based on is nonsensical and doesn't fit with the workings of the human body or even the history of the human race. It's ALWAYS your call to make on that but all I can do is give you my opinion and experience, never have I told anyone to take what I say as gospel without doing the research on their own and I have a plethora of essays on the topic, so sorry if you feel misled somehow.

Cranberry is not safe when you are TTC, it's not safe to start and stop it suddenly, and it also adds nutrients that may help sway blue. Aspirin is better because it can be taken till BFP then gradually weaned off. I ~personally~ don't think aspirin works by lowering CM pH, I think there's something else going on but I have tons of people taking it so not sure where the confusion lies there. Aspirin is not always compatible for various health conditions so not everyone can use it - but cranberry is actually worse than aspirin in that department.

I don't think RepHresh is getting good enough numbers to justify its existence and all the trouble it causes and I would NEVER EVER recommend that someone whose husband has low sperm count, use RepHresh anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

I have data from an actual scientific study done on women who were not swaying in any way, that show higher intake cal and mag = more boys conceived. That is worth much more than our stats which are tainted and muddled because people are all doing 7000 other things to sway. It is my opinion that calcium and magnesium sway blue, particularly when used with Vit. D, and I got my boy taking gobs of the stuff and my girl without it, as have tons of other people. Biologically the theory the cal-mag is based on is nonsensical and doesn't fit with the workings of the human body or even the history of the human race. It's ALWAYS your call to make on that but all I can do is give you my opinion and experience, never have I told anyone to take what I say as gospel without doing the research on their own and I have a plethora of essays on the topic, so sorry if you feel misled somehow.

Cranberry is not safe when you are TTC, it's not safe to start and stop it suddenly, and it also adds nutrients that may help sway blue. Aspirin is better because it can be taken till BFP then gradually weaned off. I ~personally~ don't think aspirin works by lowering CM pH, I think there's something else going on but I have tons of people taking it so not sure where the confusion lies there. Aspirin is not always compatible for various health conditions so not everyone can use it - but cranberry is actually worse than aspirin in that department.

I don't think RepHresh is getting good enough numbers to justify its existence and all the trouble it causes and I would NEVER EVER recommend that someone whose husband has low sperm count, use RepHresh anyway.

[Trishy74]

Thanks atomic for clarifying everything. I'm going to stick with not taking the calcium magnesium supplements especially bc I take vitamin d per dr request. I also won't bother with the rephresh. Appreciate you taking the time to go over the items with me.



I have data from an actual scientific study done on women who were not swaying in any way, that show higher intake cal and mag = more boys conceived. That is worth much more than our stats which are tainted and muddled because people are all doing 7000 other things to sway. It is my opinion that calcium and magnesium sway blue, particularly when used with Vit. D, and I got my boy taking gobs of the stuff and my girl without it, as have tons of other people. Biologically the theory the cal-mag is based on is nonsensical and doesn't fit with the workings of the human body or even the history of the human race. It's ALWAYS your call to make on that but all I can do is give you my opinion and experience, never have I told anyone to take what I say as gospel without doing the research on their own and I have a plethora of essays on the topic, so sorry if you feel misled somehow.

Cranberry is not safe when you are TTC, it's not safe to start and stop it suddenly, and it also adds nutrients that may help sway blue. Aspirin is better because it can be taken till BFP then gradually weaned off. I ~personally~ don't think aspirin works by lowering CM pH, I think there's something else going on but I have tons of people taking it so not sure where the confusion lies there. Aspirin is not always compatible for various health conditions so not everyone can use it - but cranberry is actually worse than aspirin in that department.

I don't think RepHresh is getting good enough numbers to justify its existence and all the trouble it causes and I would NEVER EVER recommend that someone whose husband has low sperm count, use RepHresh anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry I was right in the middle of cooking an elaborate dinner last night and didn't have time to post these:

Numbers on RepHresh (please note, the sample size is smaller than a lot of the other tactics illustrating part of the trouble with RepHresh - it does lower odds of conception considerably)

RepHresh/Replens
total sways including it: 79
total success: 51
total success %: 64.56%
Inverse success: 62.63%

(the inverse being very close to the success rate couples with how many people had to drop in order to become pregnant makes me believe that RepHresh is not getting the results to justify the trouble it causes)

And my Calcium Conundrum essays:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/610-calcium-conundrum-controversial.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/642-calcium-conundrum-part-2-a.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-scientific-research/4666-calcium-conundrum-part-3-deconstructing-fgd.html

[Mrsandmama]

I'm so excited to see how successful OLE has been for DH's! I have my DH taking 2 tablespoons a day (he hates it!!!). Atomic- what are your thoughts on cinnamon? Should we consider taking it as part of our sway?

[atomic sagebrush]

I think that people who have PCOS/IR may want to consider it but I don't think the average person needs to (and it may lower blood sugar TOO far and so if a person were on Crash and Burn style of LE, they may get lightheaded and have trouble sticking to the diet). I don't have results for gender ratio (I don't like having people use things that I haven't seen people getting their DG's on) and plus I do not have any confidence in safety when using it for TTC. Thus it is not something I currently recommend very often.

If you do want to give it a try, no more than 1/4 tsp. It is probably safe in that level of intake and it works to lower blood sugar even at that small an amount.

[nuthinbutpink]

I thought people take cinnamon to raise ph and to increase overall health?

[atomic sagebrush]

That may have been at one time (I know Tamara claimed it sways blue) but it lowers blood sugar substantially, and since lower blood sugar levels does have some good science behind it, I've been occasionally using it for pink swayers with PCOS/IR. Not much because I just don't have the evidence at the level I like to have before recommending something come into widespread use, but for peopel who really are having a hard time controlling their blood sugar.

[rainbowflower]

I'm so excited to see how successful OLE has been for DH's! I have my DH taking 2 tablespoons a day (he hates it!!!). Atomic- what are your thoughts on cinnamon? Should we consider taking it as part of our sway?
I think the recommended dosage of OLE was 2 TEAspoons a day? that's what babydoctor recommended anyway

[atomic sagebrush]

I think the recommended dosage of OLE was 2 TEAspoons a day? that's what babydoctor recommended anyway

different formulations require diff. doses but yes def doulbecheck

[dreamingofwin]

How often do they stats get updated? I know its v hard to keep up ladies so it was just me wondering xx

[Mrsandmama]

My hubby is on Barleans OLE. The normal dosage is 1 tablespoon a day but he increased it to 2 tablespoons a day. Another successful swayer had her hubby on the same stuff with the same dosage. I figured why not!

[atomic sagebrush]

How often do they stats get updated? I know its v hard to keep up ladies so it was just me wondering xx

The current stats I believe were updated in October. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

My hubby is on Barleans OLE. The normal dosage is 1 tablespoon a day but he increased it to 2 tablespoons a day. Another successful swayer had her hubby on the same stuff with the same dosage. I figured why not!

It is a blood thinner though, so I would take some caution - the doses are meant for safety, more is not always better. :)

[dreamingofwin]

Are we still saying that its 6 weeks on the LE needed? Its just the Oct Stats dont show that much of an increase to length of time on the diet x

[atomic sagebrush]

We see the stats go up and the stats go down for a variety of reasons but I am kinda "the eye in the sky" here and have my global set of experiences not just from here, but from on IG as well (which I just realized I started off on IG over 6 years ago now) and that is what I base my recommendations on - my observations as a whole - not the temporary statistical variations that are reflected in this thread.

For awhile there we were seeing a lot of opposites with a very clear demarcation where longer on diet was absolutely positively significantly better. The opposites were almost exclusively in people who had been on diet a very short time, and then those who did a lot of attempts in order to get pg. This has gotten a bit lost in the shuffle of late simply because we've eliminated some things that were inadvertently swaying blue and thus getting better results than we were for a few months, but the observation has been made and I think we need to stick with that. I think it's important to do diet for 6 weeks before TTC and 90 days may be better.

[mariposa]

Hi everyone! it´s been a long time I haven´t been by here! I´m pregnant with a girl!!! :cheer: I would like to give a big thank you to rainbow too, because the stats have helped to me a lot!! Please tell me how can I add my info to your stats, I´ll be pleased to help!!
This is the link of my sway:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway/39526-mariposa-ttc-girl-sway-attempt.html

[nuthinbutpink]

mariposa- read the first post in this thread and the instructions are there to fill out a form to go into our stats. Congrats and thanks!

[mariposa]

I'll do it as soon as possible, thanks!! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Just wanted to say another huge THANK YOU to Rainbow and myurkin for updating the stats for us!!!

[meeks32]

Love the new updates! FYI you can tick olive leaf and calc mag for my dh, and I was on cinnamon. What tea is that new tea column regarding? I was on raspberry leaf tea the month I conceived.

[TTCPink]

I just updated the form to go into the stats. I was on LE diet for a year, on Clomid, and only had one attempt and my 16 week ultrasound showed that I am having a BOY! When I look at the stats for these areas (LE+Clomid+One Attempt), I just can't believe I managed to get pregnant with another boy. I guess this little guy was just determined to beat the odds and become part of our family.

[sweetdream]

Congratulations on your baby boy! I Will prolly beat stats again too. When it hapens. I always seen to do the opposite:think:

[Jacquebear]

I am new to swaying. I have started cutting back on salt. Drinking cranberry juice/peppermint tea. Should I do a spreadsheet? What is recommended? I am trying the IG diet, but I wonder if the LE or mixture is better.

[atomic sagebrush]

you can post a sway once you get pregnant, only sways with known outcomes are included in stats.

[Rmarie]

Hello everyone I'm a newbie & have a question: are these results for girl sways only? And this
atomic's numbers:

54 Custom Sway Success
33 Custom Sway Opposites

Numbers as reported on sway questionnaires:

Total sways: 18
Total success: 16
Success %: 88.89
Inverse success %: 68.89

Is this the results for people that purchased the personalized sway plan??

[nuthinbutpink]

People purchase a custom plan because we have a ten year headstart on researching what the best possible sway is to get a girl or boy. They purchase a plan to get access to a coach that answers all your specific questions and tailors the plan to fit into your lifestyle. As much as everyone is into the "stats", it really isn't about the numbers. We are seeing good results. Clearly, not all the numbers are posted but realistically, we are averaging around 65% success with the girl sways and 75-80 with the boy sways.

Our approach is backed by scientific studies. We don't quote "97 or 94%" success and lie like many other sites out there do. If anyone thinks swaying can be 94% successful, I feel sorry for them. Most sites are actually quoting the results of a small scale study that showed to be 94% successful and are NOT referring to their own stats. They don't keep them!

We know more about Natural Gender Selection than anyone period. We are the only ones that are always actively researching, collecting results, analyzing REAL sways and then adjusting our plans to yield better results.

It's not as simple as eat calcium and magnesium, get a girl; potassium and sodium, get a boy. If it were, we'd all get our Dream Gender.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hello everyone I'm a newbie & have a question: are these results for girl sways only? And this
atomic's numbers:

54 Custom Sway Success
33 Custom Sway Opposites

Numbers as reported on sway questionnaires:

Total sways: 18
Total success: 16
Success %: 88.89
Inverse success %: 68.89

Is this the results for people that purchased the personalized sway plan??

The first batch of numbers are what I kept track of for custom plans, the lower batch of numbers are of those people who filled out sway plans since they started tracking them in the stats. These are pink only.

I prefer you guys just use the overall stats of the site because it's a much larger sample size, and also because a lot of people who have health issues and other considerations (age, breastfeeding, and so forth) get the custom sway plans. The average person can expect the 65-70% success rate for pink, 70-75% for blue.

[atomic sagebrush]

We include EVERYONE who posts a sway in our results, whether they did things "our" way or whatever. Everyone in our numbers you can verify for yourself if they had success or not. That's the reason why we use the publicly posted sways - they are independently verifiable by anyone.

We aren't doing a scientific study and the purpose of the site is to support one another and not be picking apart sways and encouraging dishonesty like some of the other sites where people exaggerate to make their sways look better. These are real world results where not everyone does "perfect" sways.

I WILL NOT cherry pick data to make swaying success rates artificially high - even if that means making the numbers look actually lower than they really are. The average person can expect to go from possibly as much as 75% likely to conceive a boy to possibly as much as 65% likely to conceive a girl. I would rather people decide whether or not to sway with conservative numbers and stay realistic about it.

[rainbowflower]

Results in first post updated. I'll be doing this on the 1st of every month from now on.

[Rmarie]

You ladies are awesome I'm so glad I found this website:)

[CherryBlossom]

Raspberry tea ? Is that raspberry leaf tea?


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[atomic sagebrush]

yes. I do not typically recommend it for pink as I htink it sways blue, and the majority of people who have used it have been going on TTC for many months, even years in a couple cases. I do not recommend RRLT for any pink swayer with the exception of a few people who have really been swaying quite some time

[Mumto3boys]

Hi my girl sway was a success! :) I followed your personalised plan with LE diet and tons of extra stuff I did myself at home :)

[Mumto3boys]

With the stats how are they being calculated? because I would say unless someone has purchased and followed a personalised plan should those successes be taken into account. Too many sways I see are full of things they didn't do or didn't end up swaying hardly at all.

[atomic sagebrush]

These numbers aren't scientific, we're all on the honor system here in terms of what we say we are doing/have done vs. reality. EVen the people who had personalized plans, I can't ever be sure as to whether they actually followed thru with it all or not. So, I just think that we take the numbers for what they're worth, as a tool to assist us in picking out any larger trends (such as exercise and one attempt, which we never would have known are as effective as they are without the stats).

I have urged in the past and will continue to do so, that no one ought to read too much into the numbers specifically and should instead look at the larger overarching trends. things that go up a few % points from one update to the next, are NOT things that people should suddenly insist upon including.

[Jmrad]

Hello everyone! I'm a newbie here, my husband and I will be TTC on this cycle..... Swaying for a girl as there hasn't been one in his family for over 40yrs!! I've been taking calcium citrate (I first started with the other kind but switched) I'm also taking magnesium and folic acid. I'm not 100% sure when the best time to DTD is..... I've heard a few different ways..... Some say every day after AF up until 3 days before O I've also heard O+12. I want to get it right can anyone tell me what worked best for them? I've also been drinking natural cranberry juice (which I heard to stop after O because it can cause MC) I've been trying to stay away from salt I pretty much eat the same thing every day. Oatmeal for breakie
Apple nuts yoghurt and veggies at work and salad. Fish and veg for dinner .... Been exercising and doing all this for about a monh..... Should we continue a while longer before TTC? Any tips are appreciated

[kitkat18]

Hi jmrad maybe start a new thread you will get more responses that way:) if you have time to spare and really want a girl I would take at least 6 weeks to prepare read all threads absorb everything even better get a custom plan from atomic they are brilliant and you have her for six months as a coach she's brilliant!

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[kitkat18]

P.s it sounds like your current diet would sway a little blue so please get all the info before you ttc :) good luck its a lot to take in but we are a friendly chatty bunch

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[atomic sagebrush]

question, I know that FR and abstain have gotten very similar results lo these many months but this latest update they are identical, is that an error or is it just coincidence?

[atomic sagebrush]

Hello everyone! I'm a newbie here, my husband and I will be TTC on this cycle..... Swaying for a girl as there hasn't been one in his family for over 40yrs!! I've been taking calcium citrate (I first started with the other kind but switched) I'm also taking magnesium and folic acid. I'm not 100% sure when the best time to DTD is..... I've heard a few different ways..... Some say every day after AF up until 3 days before O I've also heard O+12. I want to get it right can anyone tell me what worked best for them? I've also been drinking natural cranberry juice (which I heard to stop after O because it can cause MC) I've been trying to stay away from salt I pretty much eat the same thing every day. Oatmeal for breakie
Apple nuts yoghurt and veggies at work and salad. Fish and veg for dinner .... Been exercising and doing all this for about a monh..... Should we continue a while longer before TTC? Any tips are appreciated

In my signature below there is a link to "the Complete Index" and you can copy/paste it into your browser bar and it will take you to an index alphabetized by topic and it will answer most of your questions. Then anything else you are wondering about, you can start a new thread and ask! :) Hi and welcome BTW!

[rainbowflower]

question, I know that FR and abstain have gotten very similar results lo these many months but this latest update they are identical, is that an error or is it just coincidence?
that is correct, they just happen to have matched at the start of this month! (there has since been 1 more attempt using abstain which was an opposite so they will vary in the next one)

[Mumto3boys]

I strongly suggest before trying to purchase a personalised plan and follow it to a 'T' - also your partner needs to be completely on board with supps and eating. We conceived as soon as I got a positive on ovulation predictor so would've ovulated within 48 hrs.
Hello everyone! I'm a newbie here, my husband and I will be TTC on this cycle..... Swaying for a girl as there hasn't been one in his family for over 40yrs!! I've been taking calcium citrate (I first started with the other kind but switched) I'm also taking magnesium and folic acid. I'm not 100% sure when the best time to DTD is..... I've heard a few different ways..... Some say every day after AF up until 3 days before O I've also heard O+12. I want to get it right can anyone tell me what worked best for them? I've also been drinking natural cranberry juice (which I heard to stop after O because it can cause MC) I've been trying to stay away from salt I pretty much eat the same thing every day. Oatmeal for breakie
Apple nuts yoghurt and veggies at work and salad. Fish and veg for dinner .... Been exercising and doing all this for about a monh..... Should we continue a while longer before TTC? Any tips are appreciated

[atomic sagebrush]

that is correct, they just happen to have matched at the start of this month! (there has since been 1 more attempt using abstain which was an opposite so they will vary in the next one)

thank you so very much!

[rainbowflower]

updated girl stats

[bluebonnet22]

Thank you so much for doing this! How many got added since March 1- I could have sworn the total number was 222 last I checked and now it's 223?

[Mulberry Smurf]

Fantastic work :) will you be still doing this when you do your own girl sway? Xx

[rainbowflower]

no I think we've had 3 girl sways added this month

Mulberry - my husband and I are likely separating so not sure if I will get the chance to sway again, but who knows what the future holds

[bluebonnet22]

no I think we've had 3 girl sways added this month

Mulberry - my husband and I are likely separating so not sure if I will get the chance to sway again, but who knows what the future holds

Thanks rainbow and big hug sent your way. Hope things work out for the best for you.

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[dreamingofwin]

Few questions.

Cal/mag is showing really good results. Why is this? Is it something to add? I thought le was against it? x

[atomic sagebrush]

Few questions.

Cal/mag is showing really good results. Why is this? Is it something to add? I thought le was against it? x

I am working on an essay about this right now but have not had the time to finish, I will post the germane portion for you below. I do not and will not recommend cal-mag for swaying pink, but at the same time it is not my purpose to try and argue everyone out of it. All I can say is that I've been watching swayers sway for over 6 years and I do not believe that cal-mag works for TTC a girl and I won't recommend it till I see a reliable study that shows that it sways. If it does work, it's because it's harming health in some way and I don't recommend anythign that seems risky when there are safer alternatives out there.

[atomic sagebrush]

For a link to the first LE Diet FAQ it’s here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/24628-le-diet-faq.html

What kind of results is the LE Diet getting?
The LE Diet has gotten about 65% success rate. This has stayed consistent over time with only minor statistical variations in either direction. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/25157-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet.html

Is that ALL?
A few people have seemed disappointed by the 65% number. Not me! We are talking about being able to alter the gender ratio by a few easy to make changes in diet. Henry the 8th would have killed for this information! And as those of us with 3-4-5 or more boys already know, not all of us are starting off from 50-50 chance of either gender. We have numbers that show odds of a second, third, and even 4th boy are higher than they “should” be http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/762-statistics-question-anybody-know.html

Additionally, our blue swayers on HE Diet have also been getting a steady 75% and this has gone as high as 80% for months at a time. Since most of us boy moms tend to follow a more HE-type diet naturally http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-boy/1890-how-we-got-our-boys.html that indicates that those of us with many boys already are going from as much as 80% likely to conceive another boy to a minimum of 65% likely to have a girl. This is a huge variation and your odds are MUCH better on LE Diet than just eating your normal diet.

There are other sites and salesmen out there who claim an impossible 95% success rate, some using diet, others using other methods (including magic). These people are dishonest. If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Please don’t hold the LE Diet up to the lies of charlatans.

However, there are studies out there that claimed to have an 80% success rate with diet. But we are not doing a scientific study here. We are not omitting the people who didn’t do things “the right way” from our statistics. Gender Dreaming is meant as a support site, a safe place where we can come together as friends to talk about gender swaying, gender desire, and anything else. We include EVERYONE who posts a sway in our numbers, whether they swayed hard or just a little. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/25157-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet.html
By taking this inclusive approach, we are trying to avoid the climate on some of the other sites where people’s sways are picked apart and there’s some big competition to see who can do the strictest sway (leading to more severe gender disappointment, not to mention dishonesty and unreliable results). It actually gets us a better quality of data because if everyone did the exact same thing for their sways, it becomes extremely difficult to pick out the trends of what is actually working vs. what is not.

Furthermore, claims don’t always equal success in the real world. In the most recent “Dutch” study that claimed 80% success rate, 172 couples started the process of joining the study, 22 dropped out right away (probably because the diet was too difficult), and 150 remained. They then did an additional second experiment using a new group of 50 women. Of the 150 women in the first group, plus the 50 women in the second group, only 32 women were even able to fulfill the requirements of the study to be included in the results. That group got 80% success, but a method that only 1/6 of the people who attempt it can even do, is really USELESS in the real world. (It also cost 1450 euros – that’s over $2000!!!) And it does not really truly mean that this diet got 80% for everyone who tried it, does it?

If I were to go through and cherry pick my data to select only the people who did LE Diet “my” way (neither too strict nor too lax), I could make my numbers look like that too, and in fact we have gotten 80% and above with people on LE Diet for more than 12 weeks and also with exercise. But I WILL NOT artificially inflate numbers to make swaying look more effective. We are dealing with life altering decisions – the decision to add another child to the family, the decision between PGD/IVF and swaying – these need to be based on what the average person can reasonably expect and not some number that was manipulated within an inch of its life.

Gender Dreaming is not here to get some tiny fraction of people the highest possible success rate while others sit around in despair. We want the most people to get daughters with the least amount of misery, and so there is a balance to be struck - “perfection” vs. REALITY. Percentages of success can be highly misleading things, because if a technique, no matter how elegantly designed, is undoable for the average person (because remember, with the “mineral balancing” diets, if you go off the diet even just one measly time in 6-12 weeks, according to them you have ruined everything) it’s worthless because of all those people who just can’t stick to a diet without, like, EVER cheating. The all-or-nothing nature of the mineral balancing diets leads people do believe that if they can’t do everything perfectly, they may as well do nothing, and so tons of people who could have successfully swayed with a more relaxed approach, don’t follow ANY diet and end up getting opposites.
If only 32 people out of 200 are able to follow a mineral balancing diet well enough to be included in a study, even if 80% of those 32 people got girls (about 26 people), that is an unacceptable amount of people who can’t do the diet to start out with. If 200 people are able to stick with the LE Diet in some form or another even with occasional or not-so-occasional cheats, and as our stats indicate, about 65% had girls, that's 130 girls - a HECK of a lot more girls overall. And that is IF you accept those numbers from the Dutch Study at face value, but everyone please note that they were NOT doing just diet, they were also doing timing – aka one attempt – which has gotten as high as 75% for us so it is VERY likely that they would not get the same results with just diet alone anyway.

You can rest assured that our numbers are real world, real live people who sometimes have bad days and fall short on diet. I did not go through and pick and choose only the best of the best sways to include in our results. You can read the posted sways and verify what every swayer in our stats did. You can even message them if you want to. Our numbers are different, not because our results are inferior or bad, but because they are BETTER quality of data.

Which diet should I follow then??
I can all but guarantee that after reading the above there are at least SOME people who are thinking “well gee whiz 80% sounds good to me, I’ll just do one of those mineral diets but unlike all the lazybones who couldn’t stick to it, I WILL”. But remember, that study was NOT just diet alone, but also included timing – now as we know, timing doesn’t sway, but one attempt, which is always included in strict timing methods, has gotten about 75% success rates for us with a sample size of over 100 people (when you’re dealing with a sample size of 26 people, getting 80% is well within the statistical variation of 75% range). So it’s very likely that a person doing diet + one attempt can expect higher than 65%, and if you do exercise as well, the exercise has been getting 90% (I expect this number to drop as more people add it in but it is still a strong pink sway tactic). I believe it’s reasonable to assume that swayers who do diet, exercise, and one attempt can expect success rates that are higher than 65% - and without shelling out 2000 bucks for the privilege.

I know there are still some out there who aren’t convinced. If you ARE convinced, skip down to the rest of the essay where I talk about a lot of other (much more interesting) stuff and sorry to belabor a point!

The case against the IG Diet – In our stats http://genderdreaming.com/forum
/trying-conceive-girl/25157-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet.html people following the IG Diet (mostly in the first year of the site) got about 42% success for pink (58% boys). People following the IG Diet for boys (again, mostly in the early days of the site) had 48% success for boys (52% girls). You would have had a better rate of success following the IG BOY Diet than the IG Girl Diet, at least among this group of people. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-boy/8668-who-swayed-ig-who-swayed-gd.html Aside from that, stats go up and stats go down, but the level of misery that people experience when attempting IGD (both for pink and blue) is NOT worth it even if it was getting better results.

The case against the FGD -
The “80%” number that is sometimes attributed to the FGD is misleading. The original studies done by the FGD people were not good studies, they just went back over old food diaries and added up cal-mag-sod-pot levels and ignored all other nutrient data. Then they designed a diet based on mineral content that people supposedly had good results with (just as with the Dutch study, anyone who was not able to stick to the diet 100% was omitted from the results, unlike our numbers where everyone is included), but those diets are different in many ways, not just in mineral levels. It has never been proven to my satisfaction that cal/mag levels are swaying and in fact I think the data points in the opposite direction.

I do think the FGD and the Dutch diet based on the FGD CAN sway, but it’s not because of mineral levels, it’s because of the differences in the diets themselves. A diet with substantially different calcium vs. potassium levels, is also going to have substantially different EVERYTHING levels. Meat, fruit and vegetable intake, and yes even dairy itself is limited on FGD. And while I have not seen this diet firsthand myself (because I lack the $2000 LOL), I have it on good authority that calorie intake, protein, and fat intake in the Dutch study diet is very similar to that in the LE Diet because it’s based on the high fiber, higher carb, lower fat, and very low saturated fat Dutch National Diet found here (this is a PDF): http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nutritionj.com%2Fcontent%2Fpd f%2F1475-2891-11-49.pdf&ei=68UlU9rmIofkoATl6IHoAw&usg=AFQjCNE8Zrkds3BOYV4Z8X0XxI00HQ6hsQ&bvm=bv.62922401,d.cGU

Cal-mag or no cal-mag?

I think I’ve gone on pretty much to the brink of obnoxiousness about this but I do still get questions asking me am I SURE? REALLY, REALLY SURE? And while I am never “sure, really really sure” about ANYTHING when it comes to swaying and question everything constantly, I AM sure that the cal-mag idea cannot work in the way that the boosters of the FGD/IGD/Dutch Diet claim it does, firstly because it’s based on a really dumb idea to start with (that animals that are so far removed from mammals that they don’t even reproduce in remotely the same way, can tell us anything about how to alter gender ratio in human beings) and secondly because it’s biologically and historically impossible http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/610-calcium-conundrum-controversial.html (this is a three part series, read ALL three, and there’s some pretty good discussion after the essays too, particularly the third one). Lastly, we have evidence showing that cal-mag actually can sway blue both in studies and in data compiled from IG. Several of us got girls without cal-mag after getting sway opposites where we were taking gobs of the stuff. Calcium is not a magic bullet for pink, no way, no how.

That having been said, recently our stats have seemed to show an increased rate of success for cal-mag http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/25157-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet.html and people have again been asking me if they should include cal-mag on the basis of these numbers. NO. First of all, I am not even sure where these newer numbers are coming from. I don’t compile the statistics because it is unethical for me to do so and plus I don’t have time anyway (and really appreciate the hard work of the ladies who do them), but I haven’t been having ANYONE use cal-mag for DW. None of the Custom Sway people are using it. I do allow people to include it for DH because the data I have shows no difference in gender ratio with husbands using it and not using it and since some people believe in cal-mag as a magic bullet, I figure it can’t hurt anything. The stats do not say if it’s DH using it, DW using it, or both, how much, when it was taken, etc. So to take a look at that number in light of all the evidence pointing away from the use of cal-mag for DW and reintroduce it for women, I believe is a major step in the wrong direction.

There is also an issue where the strictest of the strict people include EVERYTHING, so it ends up being that things that do not even sway, even sway blue, can look more effective than they really are simply because uberstrict people use them while doing overall more effective sways. This is especially true of things that do not inhibit conception – if a sway tactic doesn’t prevent pregnancy, naturally it is kept in the mix even as other things are dropped. Since calcium does not inhibit odds of conception, it is often kept in a sway after all other sway tactics are dropped. Since a longer time on diet has been shown to be more effective, I believe some of our stats (cal/mag and ions, to be exact) are coincidental and not cause/effect.

Besides that, until recently the success with cal-mag was pretty much the same as the overall stats of the site. I think this is a minor statistical variation and do not recommend taking cal/mag supps for DW and do not foresee doing so in the future, either.

In order for me to begin recommending calcium and magnesium for pink, I would need to see some researchers from a legitimate university do an experiment where they take two groups of several hundred women doing nothing else to sway (including diet, they should just be eating a normal diet), give one cal-mag and then the other not. If cal-mag does anything, then there should be significantly more girls conceived in the cal-mag group.
Then they need to repeat the experiment, preferably by switching the two groups. The second group also should have substantially more daughters on the cal-mag. Or I would also accept the first experiment repeated 3 times by different, equally legitimate researchers and let me reiterate – a sample of 32 people does not suffice, these experiments need to be done in several hundred people. Till then, I think the facts are against calcium and swaying.

Aside from all that, IF calcium even sways, HOW? The theories originally underlying the FGD and how it worked, are biologically impossible. You can’t alter the levels of calcium/sodium in your blood****** without being very ill to the brink of death. The Trivers Willard hypothesis predicts that moms who are in declining condition have more girls – IF (BIG IF) taking a massive dose of cal-mag really truly sways, it’s very likely because it’s harmful to your health or fertility in some way. The same is probably true for DH as well. Unlike diet and exercise which taps into “Nature’s Way” of gently declining fertility as a natural birth control method when times are hard, the mechanism for how high levels of calcium might sway (IF it does) is a mystery. Since calcium supplementation has been recently linked to considerably higher rates of heart disease in both women and men, it is not a sway tactic that I think is worth any level of risk (because remember, I think it’s neutral for DH and sways blue for DW in sane levels). I have moved away from recommending cal-mag to men over 45, I’m borderline on it for men 35-45 and no longer use it for any men who have history of heart disease.

-So then how about if I just take magnesium?
Several people have asked me, well if calcium sways blue, I’ll just take magnesium. NO. For starters, the Oxford Study found higher intake of ALL nutrients, including magnesium, to be associated with more boys conceived. And secondly, the only reason why magnesium was ever included in the FGD to begin with was to improve the absorption of calcium. So if you’re not taking calcium, then it’s POINTLESS to bother with magnesium. You’re taking a risk for your sway (more nutrients) and for your health (because high levels of magnesium are dangerous and one lady on InGender actually ended up in the hospital from too much magnesium) for no benefit (because it was supposedly the calcium doing the work, the magnesium only helped the calcium).

[atomic sagebrush]

no I think we've had 3 girl sways added this month

Mulberry - my husband and I are likely separating so not sure if I will get the chance to sway again, but who knows what the future holds

I am so sorry to hear this rainbow. Thinking of you.

[SeaMaiden86]

Someone had asked if there was a way to filter the results for ease of viewing certain rows/columns. The answer is yes; you would just need to go through "File" and download into Excel (once you've opened it in google docs). This will take it out of Google Docs and open it in Excel format and you can use the filter feature there. That's how I do it so just sharing since I saw the question. :)

[Mulberry Smurf]

So sorry to hear that rainbow :( hope that things all work out for you xx

[Dreamsplanner]

Hi all,

This is a great thread. BTW what is Fiber, what does it mean for swaying pink?

Also, OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT for DH, how does this work? What are the risks and benefits?

Thank you very much for any input

[atomic sagebrush]

yes sorry those are two things I desperately need essays on.

Fiber is just dietary fiber such as chitosan or Metamucil. The point is that it absorbs fat and fat soluble nutrients from your foods and then they're unavailable for your body to use to make sex hormones with. This seems to sway pink and it's been surprisingly effective for us.

OLE, honestly we have no idea how it works. There was a doctor on here that had a theory about it and planned to publish a study for IVF. Then some of the HT girls used it and seemed to have good gender splits at the beginning, so I have then tentatively begun using it in cases where cranberry is contraindicated. So far we've gotten good results with it (with a small sample size and I fully expect that number will come down over time), but at the same time the HT ladies have had more mixed results in terms of gender splits so I am honestly at an impasse as to whether I think it is working or not.

[atomic sagebrush]

Anyway, OLE would be used in lieu of cranberry and he'd take 500-1000 mg of that a day starting right away and continuing thru your whole cycle, till BFP and then gradually wean off.

Risks are similar to cranberry, stomach upset/headache, it's a blood thinner, but on the whole seems safer than cranberry.

Standard disclaimer, the unfortunate thing is that we honeslty don't know all the risks of taking herbal supps yet and OLE is so new that I do not yet have a feel for side effects.

[Dreamsplanner]

Very helpful, thank you atomic, looks like OLE not the best form what I read
Fiber though may be something to consider

[CherryBlossom]

So do can't take cranberry and OLE together?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Very helpful, thank you atomic, looks like OLE not the best form what I read
Fiber though may be something to consider

I don't think we know that yet and it may be the cat's meow, it's just that I don't feel like I can say that just yet.

I strongly recommend fiber, that is one thing that has gotten good results right from the very beginning and while the stats of late have gotten a bit "busy" with lots of results so hard to know what is really swaying, the fiber got great results back when it was possible to see them. People who used the fiber got significantly more girls than those who did not.

[atomic sagebrush]

So do can't take cranberry and OLE together?


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right.

[CherryBlossom]

Oh crap dp has been taking both


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