Short luteal phase

[Tree]

I'm bf-ing and am about to have my second AF since having my LO. My first cycle I had a LP of just 6 days, and judging by the cramps I have today my LP will be similar to the last or perhaps even less and I don't know when I actually ovulated.

I want to keep bf-ing for more LO, but also because I heard it sways pink. We are weaning and not night feeding anymore so I'd thought that the reduced feeding would help my cycles...

I did some reading about how to lengthen it and wondered if anyone could add too, or indeed advice;

B6: I read this us safe to use whist bf-ing but can reduce supply. Does it sway blue/pink/not at all? What dosage is recommended and for how long?

Vitex: What is this exactly? Is it safe whist bf-ing? What dosage is recommended and for how long?

Progesterone cream: I've read mixed things about whether this works? Do you need a prescription to get it? One of my concerns is becoming pregnant and lacking in progesterone due to bf-ing so this could be a good solution for that and increasing LP...? But is there such thing as too much progesterone in early pregnancy? And do you then need to wean off it?

Sorry for the essay! And advice would be greatly appreciated.

[Tree]

I was also wondering if its possible I'm just not ovulating at all? I get positive opk's but the ov pains go on for days (previously I'd just get one day) and my periods (all two of them) have been very light!

[GeCon]

Have you read these essays yet? They should cover a few of your questions:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-help-infertility-support/2194-getting-pregnant-while-breastfeeding.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/2200-swaying-while-breastfeeding.html

Vitex (Agnus Castus) is a herb, which can help restore cycles and is safe when breastfeeding. There is more information on it here:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/1094-vitex-faq-share-your-experiences-here.html

There is no definite answer if you are ovulating unless you have a blood test done at your doctors to establish if you ovulate or not. You might, however, want to think about temping/charting for your own understanding of your cycle as it will give you a good indication if you do ovulate or not.

[Shenanigans]

As far as vitex goes, I just take one "femaprin" a day and there is no wondering how much to take, etc. It is about $13 for a bottle of 60 on Amazon.

[The Anchor]

Vitamin b6 may sway blue, but it's true that it might help with your LP. Vitex is a great product for regulating your cycles, and sways pink. I would def talk to your doctor before administering any progesterone cream on your own, but I think it's pretty safe while b/f'ing.

[atomic sagebrush]

The OTC prog creams do nothing, they are made for women in menopause and cannot help people who are TTC.

Even the prescription strenght prog support has not been shown to help preserve a pregnancy anyway.

The best thing you can do for your LP is a big dose of Vitamin P = patience. I know it's hard but even waiting 1-2 more months may be a big change in your cycle. You don't need to do or take anything, you just need to let your body get a little further along and it will start to fix things all on its own.

[LacePrincess]

Agreed with Atomic, no shock! LOL

Give it some time to regulate. If after quite a few cycles your LP is still too short (consistently less than 10 days) then you can try a few things. Vitex will bring up your ovulation if you tend to O late. What's helped immensely for my LP is B6. It can possibly sway blue, but my LP was really crap without B6 and had no hope at all.

My 'usual' cycle without supps is O on CD19-21, and LP of 8-10 days. Blech. But now I take Vitex CD1-14, and also B6 (50mg) and B50-Complex throughout the cycle. With that combination I O on CD14-15 and get an LP of 11-12 days which is excellent for me.

The B-complex is because you need to take ALL the B vits in combination to help absorbancy. You don't need to worry about toxicity either since B's are water soluble so excess just gets pee'ed out.

[Tree]

Thanks ladies for the advice!!

Atomic, I was wondering given as I don't know what my LP will be this month if its worth an attempt?

Is LP something that builds back up gradually, or suddenly resumes?

[LacePrincess]

It'll vary from woman to woman, but for myself and many others I've seen, it will come back gradually, a day at a time.

I only weaned DS3 in December because my LP was shot when he was still nursing even just once at night (he turned 3yo in Dec). My LP was only 5-7 days long! Yikes! Within 2 months after I weaned it went back to 9-10 days, and with the B6 I've gotten it back up to 11-12 days. Ymmv.

[black&gold]

LacePrincess - My cycle sounds exactly how your no supps cycles sounds. O on day 20-21 and 9-10 day LP. I've only charted for 2 months but my period took a few months to come back after I stopped BF'ing (last may - didn't get my period back until Aug.) so I feel like maybe things got a little messed up and haven't bounced back to my regular 14FP/14LP. I started B6 and B complex this past month and I'm on 7 or 8DPO so I'm not sure how it's working so far but I've been debating between Soy Isoflavones or Vitex to move up O.. happy you hear about your good experience with Vitex!

[black&gold]

And AF just come this morning.. making my LP 7days (if I go by fertility friend, but I think I may have O'd the day before with a slow temp rise). How is it that the cycle I take B6 my LP gets worse? Ughhh

[deaks66]

B6 and vitex did nothing to lengthen my lp... it was always less than 9 days and sometimes as little as 6. Think you should give your cycles a chance to lengthen before you attempt as chemical pregnancies due to short lp are very upsetting. I had to go on progesterone crinone after i had 2 chemicals and it worked a treat..... just saying. GL!

[Tree]

B6 and vitex did nothing to lengthen my lp... it was always less than 9 days and sometimes as little as 6. Think you should give your cycles a chance to lengthen before you attempt as chemical pregnancies due to short lp are very upsetting. I had to go on progesterone crinone after i had 2 chemicals and it worked a treat..... just saying. GL!

Thank you! Yeah I think I should wait. I was just wondering though, with a LP between 6 and 9 days long how would you ever know you were pregnant?

[black&gold]

I stopped bf'ing 10 months ago... shouldn't my cycles have regulated themselves by now from the wacky hormones from BF'ing? I'm trying to get into a fertility Doc for my LP but I haven't heard back and since we haven't been trying a year it might not happen. Which is stupid, because with that short of an LP I might as well not be ovulating so it's basically impossible to get pregnant. GAH, so frustrating!!!

[deaks66]

Thank you! Yeah I think I should wait. I was just wondering though, with a LP between 6 and 9 days long how would you ever know you were pregnant?

The times i got pregnant my lp was 9 days and i got 1-2 weeks pregnant on a clearblue digi and then the bleeding started :(

[deaks66]

I stopped bf'ing 10 months ago... shouldn't my cycles have regulated themselves by now from the wacky hormones from BF'ing? I'm trying to get into a fertility Doc for my LP but I haven't heard back and since we haven't been trying a year it might not happen. Which is stupid, because with that short of an LP I might as well not be ovulating so it's basically impossible to get pregnant. GAH, so frustrating!!!

i always told my doc i had been trying for a year even though it was more like 7-8 months. i just knew there was something wrong with my lp and i may as well not be trying as id never keep hold of a pregnancy anyway.

[Tree]

The times i got pregnant my lp was 9 days and i got 1-2 weeks pregnant on a clearblue digi and then the bleeding started :(

I'm so sorry!!

I've been there, only I had a missed miscarriage. It was when I was still breastfeeding too, which does make me nervous. I don't think I had a short LP at that time though.

Sometimes I think I should just stop bf-ing all together before ttc again. I just don't know!

[black&gold]

The times i got pregnant my lp was 9 days and i got 1-2 weeks pregnant on a clearblue digi and then the bleeding started :(

I know.. I wish I had of lied.. but my youngests dr. is the same as mine so she would have known I was lying when I basically said we started trying when he was 3-4 months old! She said she wasn't going to specify the length of time I was trying for on the referral in hopes they'd accept it because of the LP but no call so far (it's only been a week since I was in to see my dr. when she said she'd refer)

[harleyquinn]

mrs Blakelely....this sounds to me like some progesterone support may be in order. Has your dr broached this with you?

If not, I would call and ask if you could start the suppositories after confirmed O, just to see if it lengthens your LP or helps things along. Since you are waiting anyway, this can't hurt and won't affect any future blood work.

When I took b6, it screwed up my cycle royally. I am not a fan of the b6 AT ALL.

[black&gold]

mrs Blakelely....this sounds to me like some progesterone support may be in order. Has your dr broached this with you?

If not, I would call and ask if you could start the suppositories after confirmed O, just to see if it lengthens your LP or helps things along. Since you are waiting anyway, this can't hurt and won't affect any future blood work.

When I took b6, it screwed up my cycle royally. I am not a fan of the b6 AT ALL.

Yah, I haven't yet had progesterone tests done on 7DPO so I could have low progesterone for all I know. I don't have any of the symptoms of it though - my temps are always high in the 2ww and I never ever have spotting. But, I know progesterone could still be the culprit. I believe the b6 messed things up for me as well because I got a +OPK on cd18 and FF say I didn't O until CD21 (Which was a day and a bit after I decided to stop with the b6 because I read it can delay O). I don't understand why you'd want to take B6 if it apparently lowers estrogen, because you need your estrogen to rise in order to O.. so maybe it was delaying my estrogen levels from climbing to where they needed to be to O? soooooo frustrating. I just want to get in to see a Dr!

[harleyquinn]

I think a short LP is a classic sign of low progesterone. xx

[xxxx]

When I reduced breastfeeding hours in Nov, my Af returned a month later but I had 6days LP. It gradually increased as the months passed by from 6days to 8days and currently it is at 10days LP this march. LP Might increase further with time, though my Ov shows up at day 16 therefore giving me 26days cycle. I believe AS answered the question, Patience will certainly correct LP with time.

[Tree]

I was wondering if you ladies found any correlation between the first half of your cycle shorting at your luteal phase lengthened?
The first half of mine has been over three weeks long and then one week luteal phase. I used be standard two weeks, two weeks.
I think I might o on time this month... If I do it will be interesting to see if this correlates in anyway with my luteal phase lengthening.
Fingers crossed.

Will let you know.

[Tree]

Bump... 2/3 days before I'm due to ovulate if my body returns to normal...

[meeks32]

No, not for me. As my luteal extended (using soy iso) my cycle lengthened. Generally my o date got moved after as well. So while before I had 28 day cycle and o on cd 18 with 10 day luteal, it changed to 29, 30 and last one was 37 day cycle, with 12, 12, and 13 day luteal, and o on cd18, 20 and 24.

[meeks32]

Ps b6 sways boy heavily.

Vitex has worked to move o earlier in many (quite radically too) but can unpredictably effect your cycle length and muck things up for ages, so do your research.

Prog cream really only worthwhile if your doc first tests you and finds you low. It's One of those things that you age to keep up for the whole first trimester and can cause miscarriage if you stop it wrong. Again, worth researching if you wish to pursue.

Good luck!

[black&gold]

I used to have 2week FP and 2 week LP and now i have an almost 3week FP with a 9day LP. I didn't do anything except have a second baby that could have caused this. I'm scared to ever try vitex for fear it'd mess my cycle up even more as it is always 28-29 days. I also read some negatives about Soy so I'm at a loss. I have an appointment end of April with an RE so I'm not sure what she'll do... Any ideas what a fertility doc usually does for a short LP?

[harleyquinn]

For a short LP, they will most likely prescribe progesterone or Clomid.

[meeks32]

I got clomid for my short LP. Doc Didn't even test progesterone.

[Tree]

I used to have 2week FP and 2 week LP and now i have an almost 3week FP with a 9day LP. I didn't do anything except have a second baby that could have caused this. I'm scared to ever try vitex for fear it'd mess my cycle up even more as it is always 28-29 days. I also read some negatives about Soy so I'm at a loss. I have an appointment end of April with an RE so I'm not sure what she'll do... Any ideas what a fertility doc usually does for a short LP?

How long ago did you have your second baby? Are you still breastfeeding? If not how long ago did you stop.

If my cycles were normal (2wk FP, 2wk LP) I'll ovulate today or tomorrow... Somehow I doubt that I will as I've only had very mild twinges so far.

[black&gold]

How long ago did you have your second baby? Are you still breastfeeding? If not how long ago did you stop.

If my cycles were normal (2wk FP, 2wk LP) I'll ovulate today or tomorrow... Somehow I doubt that I will as I've only had very mild twinges so far.

I had my second in Oct. 2011. I stopped bf'ing in about may 2012 and got AF back in Aug. 2012 so it's been 7 months after my cycles resumed and I still have a short LP. It's like my body is stuck in a rut and doesn't know to normalize. Since I'm seeing a doctor next month I'm not taking any supps but I'm trying Lunaception just for fun to see what happens. Last month I ovulated exactly on the full moon after we slept with our blinds open all month.. so I'm sleeping in darkness and going to turn on the lights around CD14 to hopefully fool my body into ovulating. I'm really not counting on it.. but it at least makes me feel like I'm doing something since I can't try supps!

Are you still BF'ing? if not when did you stop?

[black&gold]

I got clomid for my short LP. Doc Didn't even test progesterone.

Has the clomid helped at all?

[Tree]

Are you still BF'ing? if not when did you stop?
Yes 7 months does seem like a while. Sounds like a visit to th docs would be a good idea.

I'm still breastfeeding morning and afternoon. Not sure I will ovulate on time this mont after all. :-(

[meeks32]

Has the clomid helped at all?

I will let you know, this is my first month on it, after a year TTC without.

I tried soy iso for 3 cycles to extend my luteal, and it did, but not enough. Only from 9/10-12 days, and finally on the last month to 13 days but that month it delayed o.

Hoping clomid 3-7 will help, as taking soy 3-7 worked best for me personally (different for everyone).

[Niva]

When I first started AF after DS, my cycle was 32 days and LP was only 8 days. Over the 9 months since then, my cycle has shortened to about 29 days and my LP to 13 days. For me, it happened a day at a time, taking one away from FP and adding one to LP, with sometimes a step backwards or two forwards. When I stopped BFing in December, that's when the LP started consistently lengthening.

I have my own LP issue, though: I start to spot around day 10 post O. Could this mean that my effective window for implantation is only 9 days long?

[meeks32]

When I first started AF after DS, my cycle was 32 days and LP was only 8 days. Over the 9 months since then, my cycle has shortened to about 29 days and my LP to 13 days. For me, it happened a day at a time, taking one away from FP and adding one to LP, with sometimes a step backwards or two forwards. When I stopped BFing in December, that's when the LP started consistently lengthening.

I have my own LP issue, though: I start to spot around day 10 post O. Could this mean that my effective window for implantation is only 9 days long?

It depends if your temp drops... Yes potentially it could. I was spotting at 10 as well and my temp always dropped that morning and stayed down. Mind you by the end of cd10 I always had full af. So I'm not sure in your case. If you don't temp it might be worth doing it for just one cycle to check?

Unless its a progesterone thing?

I haven't breastfed for almost 2 years so not bf-ing for me, but perhaps for you it's still influencing?

Have you seen the doctor about it?

[Niva]

Thanks for the answer, Meeks. You must be a night owl like me!
I haven't temped all the way through a cycle, but I am going to do it this month (I'm on day 5 of my 2ww). I don't actually know if my LP is a problem or not -- I figured I would give ttc a try before seeing a doctor. If I have a chemical, or just can't conceive, then I will definitely ask my OB about it. Right now I'm just reading about what's normal and what's possible. (e.g. obsessing, lol!)

[black&gold]

[QUOTE=meeks32;372837]I will let you know, this is my first month on it, after a year TTC without.

I tried soy iso for 3 cycles to extend my luteal, and it did, but not enough. Only from 9/10-12 days, and finally on the last month to 13 days but that month it delayed o.

That's interesting to hear about Soy iso!! I was totally debating whether to use it and I actually bought it to use this cycle, took my first 2 on CD3 and then didn't feel right about it so I didn't take it again. A day or two later I got my appointment with a RE in April, so it was good I didn't take it incase it really changed things as I want the Dr. to see my 'normal'.

I hope it works well for you, I'm interested to hear since it seems like we have a similar situation. Both my two DS's were also born in 2009, 2011

[meeks32]

So for me I was happy I tried soy iso and would not take it back, it was just interesting.

I took 200mg a day on these days and this was the results:

Cd3-7: 12 day luteal (up from 10) and ov as usual cd19
Cd4-8: 12 day luteal (up from 10) and ov as usual cd18
Cd5-9: 13 day luteal (up from 10) and ov cd24!!!


3-7 was one of the cycles I had a pos then got my period anyway so I have a good feeling about trying clomid 3-7.

I did 4-7 first so I believe o was on cd 18 that cycle because that's when I usually o anyway and it didn't effect me much yet.

[Tree]

Finally got positive opk!! 3 and half weeks into cycle! Will see what my luteal phase does now. Really hoping it will be back to 14 days but with a luteal phase of just 6/7 days since Af returned that might be a little optimistic...

[meeks32]

Well done! Good luck hon.

I'm on cd17 and still waiting for a +. Really hoping to o before Easter when the family is here, hoping like mad I don't o cd24 like last month. I can't do another 37 day cycle!!

[Tree]

Well done! Good luck hon.

I'm on cd17 and still waiting for a +. Really hoping to o before Easter when the family is here, hoping like mad I don't o cd24 like last month. I can't do another 37 day cycle!!

Thank you!! Bit worried though (just wrote other post). Hubby and I got a bit carried away... DTD. I did the big O, which made him unable to control himself! I don't know what to do!! I used a lot of RepHresh after. Ahh! This is so not ideal with short luteal phase. :-/

[meeks32]

Thank you!! Bit worried though (just wrote other post). Hubby and I got a bit carried away... DTD. I did the big O, which made him unable to control himself! I don't know what to do!! I used a lot of RepHresh after. Ahh! This is so not ideal with short luteal phase. :-/

I don't understand, I get that big o isn't recommended for us girls (but I do every time anyway, lol) but why is it bad he didn't control himself? Don't go overboard with rephresh, you don't want to kill everything!

[Tree]

I don't understand, I get that big o isn't recommended for us girls (but I do every time anyway, lol) but why is it bad he didn't control himself? Don't go overboard with rephresh, you don't want to kill everything!

Bad he didn't control himself as I feel it's important we wait until we know my body is ready. So basically we weren't meant to be ttc this month. Hence going overboard with the RepHresh... In theory I'd be very happy to get pregnant this month but I just worry that if I do and my body isn't ready that I'll loose the baby, and that would brake my heart!

[meeks32]

Bad he didn't control himself as I feel it's important we wait until we know my body is ready. So basically we weren't meant to be ttc this month. Hence going overboard with the RepHresh... In theory I'd be very happy to get pregnant this month but I just worry that if I do and my body isn't ready that I'll loose the baby, and that would brake my heart!

Aha, understand. Good luck, I think if you do get pg it will be a strong one!!

[Tree]

Ok two days of opk's (might be three - will test in a few hours), and no temp rise... Do you think I'm not ovulating at all?

[Niva]

It might just take a little longer to get out the gate. This happens to me too, then my temps rise the day OPK is back to negative.

[Tree]

It might just take a little longer to get out the gate. This happens to me too, then my temps rise the day OPK is back to negative.

Thank you!! I'm bf-ing too (although just a couple of times a day) so I'm aware that my body might be a bit all over the place.

[Tree]

I've also had the odd bit of cramping, feels very period like. Strange!

[Tree]

Ok, opk's gone negative. This is progress. :-)

[Niva]

The cramping is O pains. They aren't reliable to tell you exactly when you O because they can be there before, during, and/or after O.

[black&gold]

Well done! Good luck hon.

I'm on cd17 and still waiting for a +. Really hoping to o before Easter when the family is here, hoping like mad I don't o cd24 like last month. I can't do another 37 day cycle!!

How's Clomid treating you!? Has your cycle seemed relatively normal or has it majorly effected O? I'm hoping all goes well this cycle for you and that you see that BFP. It'll give me some hope that Clomid might help me!

How exactly did your RE say Clomid would help the short LP? I always assumed that Clomid would make you O right on CD14, but the more I read the less I see thats the case so i'm not sure how it ends up helping? I'm so anxious for my appt which is the end of April so I'm fully living vicariously through you :)

[meeks32]

How's Clomid treating you!? Has your cycle seemed relatively normal or has it majorly effected O? I'm hoping all goes well this cycle for you and that you see that BFP. It'll give me some hope that Clomid might help me!

How exactly did your RE say Clomid would help the short LP? I always assumed that Clomid would make you O right on CD14, but the more I read the less I see thats the case so i'm not sure how it ends up helping? I'm so anxious for my appt which is the end of April so I'm fully living vicariously through you :)

Know the feeling, I was doing that too through other people!!

My fertility specialist said clomid should help move o earlier from the cd 18-24 it was to cd 14ish and also extend my luteal from the 10-12 it was to 14+.

I just o'd on cd 20 which is pretty normal for me, so it didn't move earlier yet. Will let you know if my luteal improves.

[black&gold]

Know the feeling, I was doing that too through other people!!

My fertility specialist said clomid should help move o earlier from the cd 18-24 it was to cd 14ish and also extend my luteal from the 10-12 it was to 14+.

I just o'd on cd 20 which is pretty normal for me, so it didn't move earlier yet. Will let you know if my luteal improves.

I seem to be in the same situation as you - I O between 18-22 and AF comes CD28 OR 29 so my LP has varied from 7-10 days. It's so frustrating. I feel like it should be so easy to fix, but then I get worried it's not. I'm really hoping you see some great results with your LP this month! Fingers crossed for you!!

[meeks32]

I seem to be in the same situation as you - I O between 18-22 and AF comes CD28 OR 29 so my LP has varied from 7-10 days. It's so frustrating. I feel like it should be so easy to fix, but then I get worried it's not. I'm really hoping you see some great results with your LP this month! Fingers crossed for you!!

Very similar! my cycle can be 28-32 days depending when I o and how long my luteal is. One cycle I had was 37 days which was hell!!!

My plan is also to ask the dr to test progesterone if 3 cycles on clomid don't work. The specialist didn't suggest that and he saw my chart and spotting so I'm sure it's fine but worth checking if it goes on too long.

[Tree]

Very similar! my cycle can be 28-32 days depending when I o and how long my luteal is. One cycle I had was 37 days which was hell!!!

My plan is also to ask the dr to test progesterone if 3 cycles on clomid don't work. The specialist didn't suggest that and he saw my chart and spotting so I'm sure it's fine but worth checking if it goes on too long.

Don't know if I've asked this before, but are you guys still bf-ing?

[meeks32]

Don't know if I've asked this before, but are you guys still bf-ing?

Not me, I stopped over 18 months ago.

[Tree]

And how long is your LP? Cycle length all sounds normal. And isn't a LP longer than 10 days also considered normal...?

This is the first month I've temped and I'm 3dpo at the moment. Really hope my LP isn't silly short again but from what I've read getting it longer is a long winded process. :-( We will see.

I am still bf-ing morning and night though, and have done a few extras this last week as my LO has had a cold... I guess in light of this my LP might be even shorter!!!

[Tree]

I posted a reply but its not there...

Will wait to see if it appears!

Also do you count the LP as dpo or include O day in the calculation?

[black&gold]

Don't know if I've asked this before, but are you guys still bf-ing?

Me either, stopped about 10 months ago. I never have spotting in my LP either so I don't feel like prog. is the issues but I'm going to make sure they test it as well!

[black&gold]

I posted a reply but its not there...

Will wait to see if it appears!

Also do you count the LP as dpo or include O day in the calculation?

I never include O day when I calculate. I'm using Fertility Friend to track my temps and everything so it actually shows how many DPO which helps. Right now I'm 6DPO and no signs except some cramping, which I've had before in past cycles so not assuming it's anything. Before my LP issues, cramping in my 2WW was a sure sign of pregnancy.. apparently not anymore!

I'm so at a loss of what to do because its for sure not BF'ing for me. I used to have a 14 day FP and 14 day LP - pregnant on first cycle with both my DS's. It's like my body never recovered after BF'ing and this is my new 'normal'. I only realized this when I started TTC and actually temping. Grrr.. so frustrating! I'm already losing hope!

[Tree]

I never include O day when I calculate. I'm using Fertility Friend to track my temps and everything so it actually shows how many DPO which helps. Right now I'm 6DPO and no signs except some cramping, which I've had before in past cycles so not assuming it's anything. Before my LP issues, cramping in my 2WW was a sure sign of pregnancy.. apparently not anymore!

I'm so at a loss of what to do because its for sure not BF'ing for me. I used to have a 14 day FP and 14 day LP - pregnant on first cycle with both my DS's. It's like my body never recovered after BF'ing and this is my new 'normal'. I only realized this when I started TTC and actually temping. Grrr.. so frustrating! I'm already losing hope!

Perhaps the cramping is a good sign!!? Don't loose hope.
What length is your LP now?
I'm using fertility friend too and am 3dpo.... Not holding out any hope of BFP though, and actually hope I won't as I've been terrible with the diet in the last week. As in really terrible!!!

[meeks32]

And how long is your LP? Cycle length all sounds normal. And isn't a LP longer than 10 days also considered normal...?

This is the first month I've temped and I'm 3dpo at the moment. Really hope my LP isn't silly short again but from what I've read getting it longer is a long winded process. :-( We will see.

I am still bf-ing morning and night though, and have done a few extras this last week as my LO has had a cold... I guess in light of this my LP might be even shorter!!!

It's all in my chart (in my signature) if you click on it it should show you everything from when I started temping last September.

I had a luteal phase of 10 days which yes, is the short side of normal, but many doctors will tell you 10 days isn't great. Fertility friend calculates this for me so not sure re your other post question.

My fertility specialist said he prefers 12-14 day luteals though as 10 can be too short for implantation to be adequate before the lining begins to degrade.

I know this is true for me as I've been pregnant 3 times and lost it super early.

Then I tried soy iso and it extended my luteal to 12 days for 2 cycles then 13 days, but that cycle I o'd really late on cd24 and the cycle ended up being 37 days.

I spot from af to o, not usually between o and af. Apparently this is unusual.

This is all only a problem because I've been TTC over a year. So obviously the luteal and spotting could be culprits. This is my first cycle on clomid so hopefully it will extend my luteal. It hasn't stopped the spotting but I'm not sure if the fertility specialist wanted it to or not. He was more concerned with my luteal.

[Tree]

It's all in my chart (in my signature) if you click on it it should show you everything from when I started temping last September.

I had a luteal phase of 10 days which yes, is the short side of normal, but many doctors will tell you 10 days isn't great. Fertility friend calculates this for me so not sure re your other post question.

My fertility specialist said he prefers 12-14 day luteals though as 10 can be too short for implantation to be adequate before the lining begins to degrade.

I know this is true for me as I've been pregnant 3 times and lost it super early.

Then I tried soy iso and it extended my luteal to 12 days for 2 cycles then 13 days, but that cycle I o'd really late on cd24 and the cycle ended up being 37 days.

I spot from af to o, not usually between o and af. Apparently this is unusual.

This is all only a problem because I've been TTC over a year. So obviously the luteal and spotting could be culprits. This is my first cycle on clomid so hopefully it will extend my luteal. It hasn't stopped the spotting but I'm not sure if the fertility specialist wanted it to or not. He was more concerned with my luteal.

I'm on my phone so can't see signature but will look on my computer later.

The spotting does make it sound like progesterone issues doesn't it? I'm so sorry about your losses. Really hope the clomid works!!

At 4dpo my temp has dropped to the red line :-( This surely means AF is just around the corner, probably will show tomorrow. Giving me the shortest LP so far!! It's annoying isn't it when you just want your body to return to normal!!

[Tree]

7dpo and my legs are really achey... So looks like AF is on her way. :-( Still, an improvement from 6days!!

It's still frustrating though.

[black&gold]

The fact that your still BF'ing is already hope because it will very likely go back to normal once you're finished. I would never get my period until I was fully done. Even when I was down to one feeding, I still never had my period so I think everything will work itself out in time - but trust me.. it's SO frustrating!

I'm slightly inspired because today is 10DPO for me (longest LP in like 7 months). My major win this month was doing Lunaception. I thought it was completely ridiculous, but figured I'd try it since it didn't involve taking any supplements. We made our room pitch black from CD1-13 then we slept with a night light on from CD13-17 and from CD18 on we were in darkness again. I O'd super early morning on CD18 and here I am on CD28 with no AF yet.. so I am definitely going to try again next month and move my nightlight sleeps from CD12-15 in hopes it'll bring O sooner. You could always give it a try.. I felt so dumb for doing it, but it actually worked! My last cycle was a 7day LP so quite an improvement.

[Tree]

The fact that your still BF'ing is already hope because it will very likely go back to normal once you're finished. I would never get my period until I was fully done. Even when I was down to one feeding, I still never had my period so I think everything will work itself out in time - but trust me.. it's SO frustrating!

I'm slightly inspired because today is 10DPO for me (longest LP in like 7 months). My major win this month was doing Lunaception. I thought it was completely ridiculous, but figured I'd try it since it didn't involve taking any supplements. We made our room pitch black from CD1-13 then we slept with a night light on from CD13-17 and from CD18 on we were in darkness again. I O'd super early morning on CD18 and here I am on CD28 with no AF yet.. so I am definitely going to try again next month and move my nightlight sleeps from CD12-15 in hopes it'll bring O sooner. You could always give it a try.. I felt so dumb for doing it, but it actually worked! My last cycle was a 7day LP so quite an improvement.

Fascinating!! I will def look into that, thanks. And 10 days, that conception friendly - congratulations.

Was really hoping I could keep bf-ing but if AF comes early again I may stop. I'm barely bf-ing now he is weaning anyway. How long did they take to return to normal once you stopped?

[black&gold]

Fascinating!! I will def look into that, thanks. And 10 days, that conception friendly - congratulations.

Was really hoping I could keep bf-ing but if AF comes early again I may stop. I'm barely bf-ing now he is weaning anyway. How long did they take to return to normal once you stopped?

With my first I BF'd for 11months and literally I think maybe a week or less after my milk dried up I had AF back. I'm assuming everything went back to normal fairly quickly because I got pregnant with DS2 when DS1 was 14months so I only had 2-3 AF's. This time I stopped BF'ing around 7months and it took about 2.5 months for AF to return and my cycles were all over the place (25days, 32days, 28days) and then it regulated but my LP didn't. I'm assuming it was all just a fluke thing because after DS1 everything was fine. I'm sure you'll be okay once you fully wean because the fact you already have AF is a good sign your hormones are somewhat working. Even that one feeding can still make things a little wonky which is crazy. Obviously I'm not expert with any of this.. just going off my own experience :)

[black&gold]

Shocker.. I got a BFP today... I don't even know what to think! I'm worried about a chemical/MC due to the history of short LP. I'm on 10DPO (CD28) which is the longest I've had since AF returned a year ago. Here's hoping for a sticky bean!

[Tree]

Shocker.. I got a BFP today... I don't even know what to think! I'm worried about a chemical/MC due to the history of short LP. I'm on 10DPO (CD28) which is the longest I've had since AF returned a year ago. Here's hoping for a sticky bean!

Yay!!!! Congratulations!! I'm sure you'll be fine and bubs will stick. Ah, well done! X

[meeks32]

Shocker.. I got a BFP today... I don't even know what to think! I'm worried about a chemical/MC due to the history of short LP. I'm on 10DPO (CD28) which is the longest I've had since AF returned a year ago. Here's hoping for a sticky bean!

OMG congrats! This month has been super successful for a few long termers too, Charlee and Dreamofpink both got BFP's in the last few days too!!

So happy for you! Post a pic!

Ps if this is your longest luteal, I would count that as a great sign, and a sign of being pg with a sticky one!

[Tree]

Shocker.. I got a BFP today... I don't even know what to think! I'm worried about a chemical/MC due to the history of short LP. I'm on 10DPO (CD28) which is the longest I've had since AF returned a year ago. Here's hoping for a sticky bean!

Was just thinking, is it worth taking progesterone cream as a precaution/for peace of mind..?

[black&gold]

yah, those were kind of my thoughts. The thing is I've never spotted in the 2ww and my temps are also always high all 2ww as well - not that those are a sure sign. This morning my temp jumped to 98.7 which is the highest I've ever had... not sure if thats a good sign for progesterone levels?! I was trying to get into my doctor to get bloodwork for that reason but she doesn't have anything until Monday so that's getting a little late. I don't want to take it either if I don't need it.

Today is 11dpo, my longest luteal phase in the last 7 months has been 9days so maybe it was more just an issue that I O'd too late and my LP never adjusted so I never had time to implant. My O was cd17 (or really really early CD18) and I've never O'd before CD20 so maybe those extra two days helped... I'm hoping there's a cancellation and I can get into my doc today to talk about it!

[black&gold]

10195

Here's my BFP from this morning at 11DPO. I still don't believe it.. trying to not get too excited just yet!

[Tree]

10195

Here's my BFP from this morning at 11DPO. I still don't believe it.. trying to not get too excited just yet!

Oh it's very there!! How exciting. Bit of an odd one here... Just thought I'd test for the hell of it. I'm 8dpo. Anyway sure I see something, though I have had evaps before...! And I do feel crampy. 10196
What do you think?

[Dreamofpink]

Oh it's very there!! How exciting. Bit of an odd one here... Just thought I'd test for the hell of it. I'm 8dpo. Anyway sure I see something, though I have had evaps before...! And I do feel crampy. 10196
What do you think?

A line is a line! :) GL!!!

Sent from my LG-E400 using Tapatalk 2

[Tree]

Gulp!! Thinking there is a good chance it's an evap. Hubby doesn't see any pink. Scared to even imagine it, my last LP was just 6 days! And our one attempt (if I can call it that, was a total oopsie). Guess only time will tell. If it is a BFP then how long would I need to worry about the LP issue...?

Atomic I think we need some of your help and wisdom over here! :-)

[black&gold]

I see something for sure! Hard to tell on my comp if I see pink or not, but I definitely see a line. I've had an evap before so I'm always hesitant to trust until I see a few BFP's. At 8DPO you'd think it would be light so I'd test again tomorrow and see!

I'm with you on not knowing when the worry of short LP causing problems ends?! I keep worrying that the fact I O'd later than cd14 is going to cause problems, and then my short LP.. I just feel doomed. Welcome to me in the first trimester. I forgot how I over analyse every detail!!!

Fingers crossed for you!!!!

[Tree]

I see something for sure! Hard to tell on my comp if I see pink or not, but I definitely see a line. I've had an evap before so I'm always hesitant to trust until I see a few BFP's. At 8DPO you'd think it would be light so I'd test again tomorrow and see!

I'm with you on not knowing when the worry of short LP causing problems ends?! I keep worrying that the fact I O'd later than cd14 is going to cause problems, and then my short LP.. I just feel doomed. Welcome to me in the first trimester. I forgot how I over analyse every detail!!!

Fingers crossed for you!!!!

Yeah I will test again tomorrow. Pretty chilled about it as we weren't trying this month but obviously the only situation I don't want is to loose a pregnancy!

This LP pregnancy thing is actually really confusing. 1. There is no real way of knowing if your LP was/is longer the month you conceive. 2. I'm slightly confused by how pregnancy is even at achieved if the lining is inadequate in supporting a pregnancy. 3. Surely if you do end up pregnant your body produces yet more progesterone to support it? 4. By 10-14 dpo you could surely consider yourself in the safe zone as far as LP is concerned as a LP of this length is considered fine. 5. None of this takes any account of reasoning behind LPD and therefore why is may or may not be an issue.

I hope everything is alright with you, getting to 10dpo I'd imagine so!? And if it turns out I am pregnant too I also hope everything is alright!

Finally with all my short LP I've not had any spotting. Is it possible that given as I am bf-ing I had a few wonky cycles and now they are getting back to/ have gone back to normal? I really hope so!!!

Fingers crossed for us both. And please pass on And info you find out. I'll do the same, regardless of whether I'm pregnant or not!!

[Tree]

I messaged Atomic, here is our correspondence

(Tree's message)

'Hi Atomic,

I know you are crazy in demand but wondered if you knew much about how LPD works with pregnancy? I may... have got an BFP, though I'm only 8dpo and there is a reasonably good chance it's an evap. But if in fact I am pregnant what would you suggest I do? My last LP was just 6 days!! Should I therefore take progesterone as a precaution? Also if I am pregnant, given my LP history, how many dpo would I need to be to be in the clear as far as that's concerned? There is another lady wondering the same thing and she is 100% pregnant. We have been writing in a thread I started called Short Luteal Phase. Any feedback here or there (I will pass on if you reply here) would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!!'

(atomic sagebrush reply)

'I keep seeing that thread but it's impossible for me to reply on longer threads from my Kindle, it takes too much for me to go back and read every page if that makes any sense

First of all, CONGRATS!! Secondly, the pregnancy ~should~ make it so you do not get AF regardless of how long your LP was last month. A healthy pregnancy stimulates your body to make its own progesterone. There is no way to predict from month to month, what your LP would have been - you may have been about to have a totally normal LP this month anyway.

As to whether you should start prog. or not, you shoudl ONLY get prog supps from a doctor - not the OTC creams. They are not enough to sustain a pregnancy anyway and are meant for women in menopause. Your doctor will do a test that can tell you if you need prog. support or not.

It has actually been shown fairly conclusively that prog. support does nothing to help pregnancy outcome anyway (for people who get pos preg tests, that is). So please don't worry that you are endangering your baby's life from not getting it - if the baby is viable and you have a pos pg test, you probably don't even need the progesterone anyway.'

[Tree]

To which I responded and then so did she...

(Tree's message)

'Thank you so much! I will copy and paste your message!

Well then, fingers crossed I am pregnant then!! :-)

Just one last question though. I understand how a short LP could prevent pregnancy but what is the association with mc if your bodies hormones take over anyway?'

(atomic sagebrush reply)

'They used to think that low prog could cause the lining to slough off and this would cause a loss of a normal pregnancy that otherwise would have made it. But subsequent study has seemed to indicate that healthy babies, once they stick enough to register on a preg test, increase prog all on their own by signalling your body to start cranking out the prog. And pregnancies that weren't going to work out, don't work out anyway despite the progesterone, and all prog support does is drag out a pregnancy that was doomed from the very beginning. If hte baby was developing right, it would have signalled the body to make extra progesterone. If that doesn't happen, it means that something was not right.

So basically, once you've have a pos preg test, all the prog can do is maintain a pregnancy that wasn't meant to work out - betas won't go up, the baby will stop growing, and eventually it will be a MMC (missed miscarriage) and the progesterone will need to be discontinued at that point to allow nature to take its course, or a D and C will be done.'

[black&gold]

Wow, that's awesome. Thanks for all this info! You seem to be having the same thoughts I am so it's helpful to hear others opinions. For me, I'm 11DPO and CD29 (I'm almost always a CD28,29 person.. I've had the odd 31 day but that's been with a CD22 ovulation). I'm going to assume that for me, the fact that I'm now at 11DPO and have never had that long in months that the LP problems might not be an issue. This is all just me assuming things but I'm guessing that people who have chemicals find out at around 8-10DPO and then end up getting AF around 13-14DPO like usual. I'm not sure how it works with a short LP though.. maybe if you got a + at 8DPO and your LP is max 10 days you might get AF on 10DPO. With short LP I feel like the only chance of pregnancy is if you were going to have a longer LP anyways, or if you had a early implantation. I think I had a 7DPO implantation.. so even if I was going to get AF on 10DPO.. enough hormones may have been produced between then to hold of AF. If implantation had of taken longer I would have just assumed AF came and was never pregnant.

I like you also wonder though about the uterine lining. I've read that LPD can cause implantation problems because lining is too think. I wonder though if that applies more to people with longer cycles? I've also heard the same for late ovulation.

I don't even know what to think and I'm honestly trying to not even get excited because I just don't know. I have some symptoms, but nothing crazy. I'm all congested, but only in one nostril?!? I'm wondering if it's a cold as my youngest also has a runny nose. I'm exhausted.. but that could just be from my body fighting a cold if it is one. I'm crampy which is very common for me during early pregnancy and I've had the odd wave of nausea but no sore boobs or anything like that. With DS1 I didn't have sore boobs either though so who knows. It's still early, i'm not even 4 weeks!

I really hope it's a BFP for you. Either way it's great your having a longer LP this cycle!!!

[Tree]

9 dpo...
10221
Kinda the same as yesterday.
Is it a BFP?
And if it is should I be worried its not darker than yesterday's?
Have had quite a bit of cramping in the last 24hours, not sure what to make of that. I'm a little bit confused. Obviously if it is my BFP then I want to start eating properly!

[deaks66]

I was wondering if you ladies found any correlation between the first half of your cycle shorting at your luteal phase lengthened?
The first half of mine has been over three weeks long and then one week luteal phase. I used be standard two weeks, two weeks.
I think I might o on time this month... If I do it will be interesting to see if this correlates in anyway with my luteal phase lengthening.
Fingers crossed.

Will let you know.

Tree, yes i think the first half of my cycle was longer as my LP shortened. in fact i could tell my bpdy geared up to ov then it stopped and restarted a week later. Not sure what could cause this though X

[deaks66]

9 dpo...
10221
Kinda the same as yesterday.
Is it a BFP?
And if it is should I be worried its not darker than yesterday's?
Have had quite a bit of cramping in the last 24hours, not sure what to make of that. I'm a little bit confused. Obviously if it is my BFP then I want to start eating properly!

Does look like a bfp! was this pic taken immediately. Would be a good darkness for 9dpo. Mine didnt get lots darker overnight at all X

[black&gold]

definitely has some pink to it for sure! Mine got slightly darker from 10DPO to 11DP but not by a huge amount. I don't think at this stage(especially 8DPO and 9dpo) your going to get a super dark one unless your hormones jump like crazy. Just keep testing in the coming days, but it looks promising!!!! The one thing I hate about testing early is the longer wait for safety. I can't believe I'm not even 4 weeks yet, AH!

[Tree]

Does look like a bfp! was this pic taken immediately. Would be a good darkness for 9dpo. Mine didnt get lots darker overnight at all X

Deaks are you pregnant then? If so how far?
Also the first part of this cycles was 3 1/2 weeks to ovulation, though I was sure it was going to happen on time... It just didn't.

[Tree]

Oh and I took the pic about 10mins after I did the test so just over allowed time but the line you can see there was visible a few mins in.

[Tree]

definitely has some pink to it for sure! Mine got slightly darker from 10DPO to 11DP but not by a huge amount. I don't think at this stage(especially 8DPO and 9dpo) your going to get a super dark one unless your hormones jump like crazy. Just keep testing in the coming days, but it looks promising!!!! The one thing I hate about testing early is the longer wait for safety. I can't believe I'm not even 4 weeks yet, AH!

Well if I'm pregnant I'm only just over 3 weeks which is mad. Every twinge, cramp or (sorry tmi) wetness I feel I run to the loo and check. If I'm not pregnant I still want my period to hold off as long as poss (to 14 days) meaning my LP has sorted itself out.
Will keep testing... All a bit bizarre. Can't really take my head there yet. Just seems too unlikely. Would be wonderful though. :-)

[black&gold]

Well if I'm pregnant I'm only just over 3 weeks which is mad. Every twinge, cramp or (sorry tmi) wetness I feel I run to the loo and check. If I'm not pregnant I still want my period to hold off as long as poss (to 14 days) meaning my LP has sorted itself out.
Will keep testing... All a bit bizarre. Can't really take my head there yet. Just seems too unlikely. Would be wonderful though. :-)

I hear ya, doing the same thing too (always running to the washroom to check!) It definitely looks like a good sign because the line is definitely pink which I don't think counts as an evap! Fingers crossed for you that it becomes more obvious in the coming days!

[Tree]

Think AF might be coming... CM looks a bit tinted. :-( Not so much that I'd notice if I wasn't looking but... Oh I don't know, my as much as I say I have no expectations, my heart sank a little. Really hope AF is a no show!!

[Tree]

10234

Just took that... Now I'm really scared..!!

[deaks66]

Tree, that line looks very promising!
MSB - congrats thats a wonderful line and i dont reckon you will have any progesterone problems (short lp or not) with a line like that!

I reckon atomic has given great advice as always! Although i had chemicals with a short lp before i was on progesterone, i was always aware that these pregnancies probably just werent viable and that if they had been the progesterone would have kicked in.

Tree... i have had my baby.. a third wonderful boy 'Guy' who is now 5 months old :)

[Tree]

Tree, that line looks very promising!
MSB - congrats thats a wonderful line and i dont reckon you will have any progesterone problems (short lp or not) with a line like that!

I reckon atomic has given great advice as always! Although i had chemicals with a short lp before i was on progesterone, i was always aware that these pregnancies probably just werent viable and that if they had been the progesterone would have kicked in.

Tree... i have had my baby.. a third wonderful boy 'Guy' who is now 5 months old :)

Congratulations!!

And thank you for advice. It's so hard not knowing for sure what to do. I've miscarried before and would find it devastating to have to go through that again.

Hopefully everything will be alright!!

[deaks66]

It would be such a devastating thing to go through a miscarriage a second time... even going through the two chemicals was bad enough, i will be checking in and thinking of you and hoping everything goes ok. Remind me, were you swaying? i hated swaying, i did it for a year and it was probably the hardest thing ive ever done :( GL!


Congratulations!!

And thank you for advice. It's so hard not knowing for sure what to do. I've miscarried before and would find it devastating to have to go through that again.

Hopefully everything will be alright!!

[black&gold]

Tree, that line looks very promising!
MSB - congrats thats a wonderful line and i dont reckon you will have any progesterone problems (short lp or not) with a line like that!

I reckon atomic has given great advice as always! Although i had chemicals with a short lp before i was on progesterone, i was always aware that these pregnancies probably just werent viable and that if they had been the progesterone would have kicked in.

Tree... i have had my baby.. a third wonderful boy 'Guy' who is now 5 months old :)

Thanks Deaks! That's encouraging to hear. I'm not really sure how a short LP effects a pregnancy (if at all) once you've got a BFP. With your chemicals, when did you get your BFP and when did AF show? I'm trying not to think about it, but it is hard not to worry!

Congrats on your third little boy! I started swaying and then had to stop due to low BMI so I'm sure if this one is also another boy.. BUT, I'd be thrilled with another little man so to me all that matters is a healthy babe!

[black&gold]

10234

Just took that... Now I'm really scared..!!

That still looks pink to me! I would try not to worry until you saw full on red, because as you said you would have never normally noticed. It could be left over from implantation. Keep us posted!

[Tree]

It would be such a devastating thing to go through a miscarriage a second time... even going through the two chemicals was bad enough, i will be checking in and thinking of you and hoping everything goes ok. Remind me, were you swaying? i hated swaying, i did it for a year and it was probably the hardest thing ive ever done :( GL!

Yes I swayed, did the diet and DH abstained. It didn't go entirely to plan though as we weren't going to ttc until LP was normal... We had a one off oopsie!! So didn't do everything we wanted too. I was quite shocked at DH being naughty so ran to the loo jumped and dumped and inserted loads of RepHresh!!

[Tree]

Ok, just spoken to two docs and both have reiterated what Atomic said. Assuming there are no underlying progesterone issues a short LP shouldn't be an issue once pregnant!!

So looks like we fall into the normal 25% risk category. Lets hope we are in the 75% everything is alright!!!

Starting to believe how I might actually be pregnant. Eeeeek!

[Tree]

Now not how... Nervous fingers!

[Tree]

Thanks Deaks! That's encouraging to hear. I'm not really sure how a short LP effects a pregnancy (if at all) once you've got a BFP. With your chemicals, when did you get your BFP and when did AF show? I'm trying not to think about it, but it is hard not to worry!

Congrats on your third little boy! I started swaying and then had to stop due to low BMI so I'm sure if this one is also another boy.. BUT, I'd be thrilled with another little man so to me all that matters is a healthy babe!

Agreed! A healthy baby is all that really matters. And it's got to be said, these little boys are totally amazing! :-)

[black&gold]

Ok, just spoken to two docs and both have reiterated what Atomic said. Assuming there are no underlying progesterone issues a short LP shouldn't be an issue once pregnant!!

So looks like we fall into the normal 25% risk category. Lets hope we are in the 75% everything is alright!!!

Starting to believe how I might actually be pregnant. Eeeeek!

Wow, that's reassuring, thanks! Now to figure out if I've had progesterone issues! But I'm glad to hear that if not we fall in the regular 25% statistic - although that doesn't sound very appealing either.. 1 in 4! Gah, I hate this stage. Now to go over-analyse my symptoms - or lack there of I should say!

[Tree]

Wow, that's reassuring, thanks! Now to figure out if I've had progesterone issues! But I'm glad to hear that if not we fall in the regular 25% statistic - although that doesn't sound very appealing either.. 1 in 4! Gah, I hate this stage. Now to go over-analyse my symptoms - or lack there of I should say!

I'm sure if you had a progesterone issue you would have not got this far already!! Are you still bf-ing? Did you get AF whilst bf-ing, or soon after?

[black&gold]

I'm sure if you had a progesterone issue you would have not got this far already!! Are you still bf-ing? Did you get AF whilst bf-ing, or soon after?

No, I stopped BF'ing last may. I think I finally got AF back in July or August. I personally just feel like my O started happening a little later and my LP never got the message to extend a few days longer. If I O earlier, my LP is longer. I've never had spotting in the 2ww either and temps are always high (not that temps are a sure thing) so hopefully those are good signs for progesterone.

Hoping you see a big bright bfp tomorrow morning!

[Tree]

High temps and no spotting, really doesn't sound like a progesterone problem. Another really good thing is that you ovulated earlier because you didn't have a lack of progesterone holding it back!

[black&gold]

High temps and no spotting, really doesn't sound like a progesterone problem. Another really good thing is that you ovulated earlier because you didn't have a lack of progesterone holding it back!

haha, thanks for being here to listen to my crazy worrying! I need to just relax!!!

[Tree]

Think we can crazy worry together... 10dpo
10275
Pray it's a healthy sticky one!

[black&gold]

YAY! Congrats!!!!!!!!!

That's what my 10DPO Cheapie BFP looked like! So happy for you and yes.. now I have a worry partner!! ;)

[Tree]

Brown discharge!!? Big worry!!

[Niva]

Brown is old so shouldn't worry you too much... I had the same with ds1 and my ob said it was left over from the implantation. Congrats and good luck to you both!

[Tree]

Brown is old so shouldn't worry you too much... I had the same with ds1 and my ob said it was left over from the implantation. Congrats and good luck to you both!

Thank you! I did have it with ds2 but I still worry, worry worry worry. Will see what happens overnight. Fingers crossed its stopped!!

[meeks32]

Thank you! I did have it with ds2 but I still worry, worry worry worry. Will see what happens overnight. Fingers crossed its stopped!!

I agree at 10dpo that would be leftover from implantation.

CONTRATS!! To both MRS BLAKE AND TREE!!

Ps this is my 9dpo pic... Could it be??? I had a short luteal too so waiting to trust it.

10314

[black&gold]

Meeks!! I definitely see a line, and a pink one at that! Fingers crossed for you it keeps getting darker! How funny would it be for us all the get a BFP this month! Looks like the Clomid might have worked!!!! GL

[meeks32]

Meeks!! I definitely see a line, and a pink one at that! Fingers crossed for you it keeps getting darker! How funny would it be for us all the get a BFP this month! Looks like the Clomid might have worked!!!! GL

Thanks hon, it certainly darkened from the 7 and 8 dpo ones I had so fx it keeps up that way. Doing a frer tomorrow.

Have you seen the long termers thread? Dream and Charlee got BFP's this month too!!

I must have missed the updates on this one because I just read it all and your pics were so fun to see progressing!!

How are you both feeling?

[Niva]

I agree at 10dpo that would be leftover from implantation.

CONTRATS!! To both MRS BLAKE AND TREE!!

Ps this is my 9dpo pic... Could it be??? I had a short luteal too so waiting to trust it.

10314

Meeks, that is TOO exciting!!! I have been hoping for your bfp since I got on the 2ww threads in February... Fx it sticks this time!!! This is so awesome that it is finally working for all you long-termers (and short LP'ers) all in the same month. :) It's a very pink month, too, April is, so things are looking good all around!

I'm half a cycle behind you so let's hope I can join the ranks soon and we'll all be in the same due date thread. :)

[Tree]

I agree at 10dpo that would be leftover from implantation.

CONTRATS!! To both MRS BLAKE AND TREE!!

Ps this is my 9dpo pic... Could it be??? I had a short luteal too so waiting to trust it.

10314

Congratulations!! Yes yes yes!

[Tree]

[QUOTE=meeks32;384929
How are you both feeling?[/QUOTE]

I've been feeling crampy all week and a bit nauseous the last two days. If this one sticks, I'm so not looking forward to morning sickness! Apart from that its hard to tell because I've got a cold which is generally making me feel a but blurgh. I woke in the night very sweaty so I don't know what that's about.

Just did another test, and its getting darker... And there was no more brown stuff. Hopefully it was just implantation old blood and everything is ok. Assuming everything seems alright I will try and get a 6week reassurance scan. Just to check there is someone in there and a heartbeat. Not that it will by any means put me in the clear, but hopefully appease my fears a little.

Meeks how are you feeling?

[Tree]

Oh Niva, gooood luck!!! X

[meeks32]

I've been feeling crampy all week and a bit nauseous the last two days. If this one sticks, I'm so not looking forward to morning sickness! Apart from that its hard to tell because I've got a cold which is generally making me feel a but blurgh. I woke in the night very sweaty so I don't know what that's about.

Just did another test, and its getting darker... And there was no more brown stuff. Hopefully it was just implantation old blood and everything is ok. Assuming everything seems alright I will try and get a 6week reassurance scan. Just to check there is someone in there and a heartbeat. Not that it will by any means put me in the clear, but hopefully appease my fears a little.

Meeks how are you feeling?

That's my plan too, I will pretend to the gp that I don't know my cycle and ask for a dating scan (this happens at 6 weeks). I'm irrationally scared of ectopic. A lot (but not all) of my cramping has been on the right, almost like o pain. Different to af.

I'm feeling like hell which is what alerted me to the fact this cycle may be it. Fatigue, cramps, very hot, thirsty as anything (averaging 1L of water per hour and still have a dry mouth), very hungry but just today I started feeling off some foods. Headaches, even had nausea a few times at night. Also VERY crabby!

If this wasn't a bfp it's a cold that causes every pregnancy symptom known to woman! Haha.

[meeks32]

Meeks, that is TOO exciting!!! I have been hoping for your bfp since I got on the 2ww threads in February... Fx it sticks this time!!! This is so awesome that it is finally working for all you long-termers (and short LP'ers) all in the same month. :) It's a very pink month, too, April is, so things are looking good all around!

I'm half a cycle behind you so let's hope I can join the ranks soon and we'll all be in the same due date thread. :)

Thanks Nivia that's lovely. Hope you follow too!

[Tree]

That's my plan too, I will pretend to the gp that I don't know my cycle and ask for a dating scan (this happens at 6 weeks). I'm irrationally scared of ectopic. A lot (but not all) of my cramping has been on the right, almost like o pain. Different to af.

I'm feeling like hell which is what alerted me to the fact this cycle may be it. Fatigue, cramps, very hot, thirsty as anything (averaging 1L of water per hour and still have a dry mouth), very hungry but just today I started feeling off some foods. Headaches, even had nausea a few times at night. Also VERY crabby!

If this wasn't a bfp it's a cold that causes every pregnancy symptom known to woman! Haha.

I have had one sided pain too but had it with other pregnancies too. I like to think its the corpus thingy doing a really good job. :-)

Your symptoms sound similar to mine, apart from I have more just feeling dizzy than headaches. I expect cold symptoms are exaggerated due to suppressed immunity!? I don't feel great that's for sure... Hopefully it's all good signs that heathy little people are being made and our bodies are focusing on that!!

[meeks32]

I have had one sided pain too but had it with other pregnancies too. I like to think its the corpus thingy doing a really good job. :-)

Your symptoms sound similar to mine, apart from I have more just feeling dizzy than headaches. I expect cold symptoms are exaggerated due to suppressed immunity!? I don't feel great that's for sure... Hopefully it's all good signs that heathy little people are being made and our bodies are focusing on that!!

Oh I forgot to say super super increased cm all 2ww. Usually completely dry thanks to LE.

I felt shakey and dizzy when I skipped breaky the other day, which never happens now since I'm used to it. So I started eating breakfast after that too.

Hope it's sticky or my 2ww is SO bad for diet!!

So good to know about the one sided pain. I was quite worried. But also glad it wasn't af like pain!!

[black&gold]

I'm feeling very similar to both of you! I also have a cold which has been a little annoying because it's hard to tell symptoms. I've been quite tired though even after the initial wave of cold tiredness stopped. I've been having lots of hot flashes (having one right now haha!). I think i'm going to the washroom more.. that ones hard because when your so focused on symptoms I feel thats an easy one to make up! I was super nauseous in the afternoon for about an hour yesterday and have had some light headed/dizzy spells. I'm also having cramping, and some is also on one side - I remember this with both my others and freaking out about ectopic. I'm still so worried I'm not pregnant - weird as I've had 4 bfps BUT I just can't believe it happened so I'm just in disbelief. I also don't have sore boobs which is scaring me.. even though I never had them with DS1. I'm also only just 4 weeks today so it's still early for crazy symptoms I guess..


Anyways, so excited for both of you and really hoping and praying to see all of us together in December!!!!

[meeks32]

I'm feeling very similar to both of you! I also have a cold which has been a little annoying because it's hard to tell symptoms. I've been quite tired though even after the initial wave of cold tiredness stopped. I've been having lots of hot flashes (having one right now haha!). I think i'm going to the washroom more.. that ones hard because when your so focused on symptoms I feel thats an easy one to make up! I was super nauseous in the afternoon for about an hour yesterday and have had some light headed/dizzy spells. I'm also having cramping, and some is also on one side - I remember this with both my others and freaking out about ectopic. I'm still so worried I'm not pregnant - weird as I've had 4 bfps BUT I just can't believe it happened so I'm just in disbelief. I also don't have sore boobs which is scaring me.. even though I never had them with DS1. I'm also only just 4 weeks today so it's still early for crazy symptoms I guess..


Anyways, so excited for both of you and really hoping and praying to see all of us together in December!!!!

i am finding I am exhausted by the afternoon, but start off ok. had very vivid dreams. I didn't have sore boobs with ds 1 or2, but do now. not that sore, different to af. they aren't bigger, but i expect that comes later. I know what you mean about thinking its all in your head I keep checking my second line is still there, like it'll disappear or something!

I thought I had a cold but don't think i do/did now... I had a sore throat for 2 days but those were the two days I worked, at my casual job which is one that requires me to talk pretty much all day. I didn't get time to drink much those days either. I am basically attached to my water bottle now, and dry just seconds after I put it down. It wasn't this bad with my chemicals which I hope means something good for this one.

Oh and I always had symptoms this early with both ds 1 and 2, both times they were what prompted me to test!

[black&gold]

I've noticed I'm thirsty often too! I do remember this with DS2 now that I think about it... I am usually never thirsty so it's definitely noticeable. I get extremely sick with all day sickness so I always assume the second I see a BFP I should be throwing up instantly.. but I always forget about the 2 week period where I'm actually feeling okay. I'm just so used to feeling absolutely horrible that all these other symptoms seem like nothing to be compared to the sickness I get. I think my chest is more sensitive, it's just I noticed with ds2 that they were actually growing before a BFP. However, I had only quite BF'ing two months before getting pregnant that time so maybe that had a part to play. It's been about a year since I stopped this time. I've also noticed some back pain and crazy round ligament pain. The other day I sneezed and thought I literally ripped my uterus out! haha. Oh the joys :)

[meeks32]

I've noticed I'm thirsty often too! I do remember this with DS2 now that I think about it... I am usually never thirsty so it's definitely noticeable. I get extremely sick with all day sickness so I always assume the second I see a BFP I should be throwing up instantly.. but I always forget about the 2 week period where I'm actually feeling okay. I'm just so used to feeling absolutely horrible that all these other symptoms seem like nothing to be compared to the sickness I get. I think my chest is more sensitive, it's just I noticed with ds2 that they were actually growing before a BFP. However, I had only quite BF'ing two months before getting pregnant that time so maybe that had a part to play. It's been about a year since I stopped this time. I've also noticed some back pain and crazy round ligament pain. The other day I sneezed and thought I literally ripped my uterus out! haha. Oh the joys :)

How many dpo are you? I totally remember the round ligament pain both pregnancies straight away too! I used to have to grip my belly down low at the sides and sneeze or if I was laughing sometimes too. Waiting for that somewhat unenthusiastically!

Lol laughed so hard at the comment about expecting to start projectile vomiting at the first sight of a bfp. Me too. With ds1 I was sick (all day and night) but only for 12 weeks, with ds2 it was the whole pregnancy on and off all day and night, I felt permanently car sick or really hungover. I've had a few moments already and had some food aversions, I'm really hoping this one doesn't land me even sicker!! Mind you sick to me shows a healthy sticky bean.

I don't know why 'they' say onset is at 6 weeks, I always felt Ill before that.

My boobs weren't sore this arvo so I was freaking out a bit since they have been, but now I feel nausea so I'm counting that as a win, haha. What a prize! ;-)

At this point I'm so desperate for this to be sticky that I'd take any symptom x 100 and be happy. I had what I feel was my last good sway this past month, and the 2ww has been full of cheats so I reeeeely hope this is it.

[Tree]

Oh my goodness I feel terrible!! The nausea is creeping in and the exhaustion. I feel internally shaking and just unwell. And the hot flashes are ridiculous! I don't reveal having them before. I suffered with both ds's with horrible all day sickness from 6-12 weeks so the fact I'm already feeling unwell is not ideal. I'm dreading when it properly kicks in. I just can't function or be a Mummy and it gets me really down. Hope this little trouble maker is a healthy happy sticky one. :-)

[black&gold]

I'm 14dpo today so officially 4 weeks.. finally! I'm finding if I'm busy out doing something I don't always notice the symptoms, but at home I definitely notice just feeling 'off'. I have no idea when to expect the full on nausea because it's been different for both pregnancies, but I'd assume sometime around 6 weeks.. although I have the odd spurt of it here and there already. As I said before, I'm so used to feeling like complete trash when pregnant and constantly sick that I'm worried I'm feeling 'too good', even though I do feel off. For me, usually around 6-7 weeks I'm so sick and every symptom is full on that I literally feel like i'm dying.. so I just need to remember that because that's how I associate feeling pregnant and I'm not feeling THAT bad yet! Oh the joys of the constant worry. I hate this 12 week wait!!!

Do either of you think if I was having issues with progesterone due to LP that I would have had an issue already? Since I'm on CD32 right now (I'm never longer than 29 days max, usually 28) I'm hoping that means there's some good prog. hormones pumping!! I want to take another test but am scared it won't be darker and then I'll freak out!

[Tree]

I'm 14dpo today so officially 4 weeks.. finally! I'm finding if I'm busy out doing something I don't always notice the symptoms, but at home I definitely notice just feeling 'off'. I have no idea when to expect the full on nausea because it's been different for both pregnancies, but I'd assume sometime around 6 weeks.. although I have the odd spurt of it here and there already. As I said before, I'm so used to feeling like complete trash when pregnant and constantly sick that I'm worried I'm feeling 'too good', even though I do feel off. For me, usually around 6-7 weeks I'm so sick and every symptom is full on that I literally feel like i'm dying.. so I just need to remember that because that's how I associate feeling pregnant and I'm not feeling THAT bad yet! Oh the joys of the constant worry. I hate this 12 week wait!!!

Do either of you think if I was having issues with progesterone due to LP that I would have had an issue already? Since I'm on CD32 right now (I'm never longer than 29 days max, usually 28) I'm hoping that means there's some good prog. hormones pumping!! I want to take another test but am scared it won't be darker and then I'll freak out!

I'd say from that respect you're def in the clear. And that was what two docs said to me!! Enjoy not feeling sick while it lasts. Get an early scan if you're worried. I had a friend who had terrible morning sickness with first two boys and nothing with third, all beautiful and healthy!!

P.s. My head is pounding and my hormones are already playing havoc with my emotions. Oh the roller-coster!

[Tree]

Temp is 37.92!! Is that too high?

[black&gold]

Temp is 37.92!! Is that too high?

maybe it's the cold? part of the reason you might be feeling extra horrible?

[Tree]

Yeah maybe... But I'm a bit worried about it being so high. Don't want to damage the little bubs to be.

[black&gold]

I'm sure it's okay. You could always take an acetaminophen if you start to really worry since it's okay during pregnancy!

[meeks32]

And just like that its ripped out from under me again.

I felt cold all night. Temp drop today and tests more negative than yesterday. I would think it was late implantation but I am also have af cramps and i had that pos yesterday which would be impossible before implantation. Although I did read that test after the 10 min window. But then I had other faint ones at 7 and 8 dpo. Unless its a wierd batch. Frer were both pretty negative, one had a faint line but it may have been evap as it had no colour.

Annoyingly I woke up early with really bad nausea so I don't know what's going on there. I am 10 dpo so I assume this is my short luteal coming back now I'm not on soy iso. I guess clomid isn't going to extend it if that's the case. The pg cramps were kind of to the sides, my af cramps are in the middle so unless by some miracle this is implantation, I expect af today. Cramps so bad I woke up from them.

[Tree]

And just like that its ripped out from under me again.

I felt cold all night. Temp drop today and tests more negative than yesterday. I would think it was late implantation but I am also have af cramps and i had that pos yesterday which would be impossible before implantation. Although I did read that test after the 10 min window. But then I had other faint ones at 7 and 8 dpo. Unless its a wierd batch. Frer were both pretty negative, one had a faint line but it may have been evap as it had no colour.

Annoyingly I woke up early with really bad nausea so I don't know what's going on there. I am 10 dpo so I assume this is my short luteal coming back now I'm not on soy iso. I guess clomid isn't going to extend it if that's the case. The pg cramps were kind of to the sides, my af cramps are in the middle so unless by some miracle this is implantation, I expect af today. Cramps so bad I woke up from them.

Noooo!! I hope this is your BFP and its a sticky one. Temp wise lots of odd things happen in and around implantation. Did you take the preg tests at the same time with first morning urine? Also do you still have a faint line? Some tests have less dye than others. I remain hopeful for you!! As for cramps, I've had loads - always do. That's pretty normal I think in early pregnancy.

My temp sky rocketed into the 38's so went to doc. They said its a low grade fever and I just need to wait it out. So I guess that explains why I've been feeling so rough. It's not getting dangerously high or anything and actually I am already feeling much better post meds. Think I need to rest up, lots!

Meeks really hope your temps are back up tomorrow and Af stays away!!!

[black&gold]

Oh no! Like Tree said, I think there is still a chance it could be implantation if AF still hasn't showed! I had many days between 8-12DPO that I for sure thought AF was coming by cramps and just a feeling 'down there'. I'm thinking of you and hoping your temps go back up and AF stays away!!! I'm so sorry for you to even have to go through this right now.. as if there isn't enough to stress about the first bit anyways!

[Tree]

Red blood!! :-(

[Tree]

Red blood!! :-(

[meeks32]

Red blood!! :-(

Oh no! Lots or just a little? Spotting *can* be normal in pregnancy... Oh hon I'm so sorry!

[Niva]

Oh no, Tree! Did you call your OB? Hoping hoping hoping it's not what you fear. :(

And Meeks, that doesn't sound good, a low temp and a lighter test, but it could also be part of a normal pg; there are other explanations -- the next few days will tell. If you get AF, will that be your fourth chemical? That's something to talk to your RE about, I guess, especially if it happens even while you are on clomid. I just read this on the POAS site:
"Because true false positives are very rare, it is best to assume that a positive result is genuine. If you receive a positive result but begin to menstruate, you should assume you experienced an early miscarriage. If it happens again, you should consult your doctor. Many women have discovered (often-treatable) medical conditions (such as Factor V Leiden or antiphospholipid antibodies) as a result of repeat pregnancy loss."

I'm still holding out for you this month and will be stalking your chart for tomorrow's temp. The fact that you FEEL pregnant is a good sign!

:nails:for both of you!

[Tree]

I've got a nasty cough and I'd just coughed and it came out. Perhaps a teaspoons worth? Dark red... If it wasn't for the short LP I'd put it down to implantation bleeding and not worry (too much). I'm lying down now and hoping I don't have anymore, I guess only time will tell. Did another test and the line is strong (for 12dpo) but of course it wouldn't necessarily disappear right away. Annoyingly I can't gauge anything from temps either as they are still the higher range of normal due to being a bit ill.
So far there hasn't been anymore but as I said I'm laying down. I don't feel crampy or anything.
From my research bleeding in early pregnancy is pretty common and about 50% of cases are fine. Lets hope I fall into the fine category!! I will update later.

Meeks how are your temps and tests today?

[meeks32]

I've got a nasty cough and I'd just coughed and it came out. Perhaps a teaspoons worth? Dark red... If it wasn't for the short LP I'd put it down to implantation bleeding and not worry (too much). I'm lying down now and hoping I don't have anymore, I guess only time will tell. Did another test and the line is strong (for 12dpo) but of course it wouldn't necessarily disappear right away. Annoyingly I can't gauge anything from temps either as they are still the higher range of normal due to being a bit ill.
So far there hasn't been anymore but as I said I'm laying down. I don't feel crampy or anything.
From my research bleeding in early pregnancy is pretty common and about 50% of cases are fine. Lets hope I fall into the fine category!! I will update later.

Meeks how are your temps and tests today?

Today is still the same day for me, so I'll tell you in 12hrs! ;-)

I agree I know lots of women who bled during pregnancy and atomic even said she had what was identical to full af with her ds3. I really hope it's just normal bleeding, strong tests are good, my chemicals were all after light tests and they never got stronger, each day would be the same then I'd have a temp drop, get af and they would fade overnight.

Did you call or see your doc? I think it's a great sign you still have dark tests and high temp despite the possible fever covering it up (how typical, of all the times you need a reliable temp).

I mentioned them to my fertility specialist and that's why he gave me clomid. I'm on it for two more cycles after this one before we start investigating other issues. I can only assume this possibly happened in the past but as I never temped, and always had erratic cycles perhaps I never knew.

No af, and still feel pg, major nausea today. Time will tell. I have ulcers in my mouth today. Ouch! My temp this morning I took an hour early so it *may* be off, but I also had a restless night. I woke and took it 2hrs early too and it was the same so I don't think another hour would have changed things...

[Tree]

Today is still the same day for me, so I'll tell you in 12hrs! ;-)


12 hours, where are you? Fingers crossed it goes up!!

I just took another test 10338
I'd say its darker than the one this morning.

How many dpo are you now then? No Af is surely a very good sign? You have the symptoms. And if you took it after a restless night and early that could totally mess up the temps. I think when I have restless nights I sleep with my mouth open and the temps are significantly lower. I just stay still with my mouth closed for 5 mins or so and test again...

I spoke to a doc but as expected they pretty much said wait and see and it could go either way. She said to test after AF is due in a few days. She did say it is quite common. Since this morning I've stayed in bed and I've not had anymore. When I wipe I can get a little brown but not much.

I was wondering if your chances of spotting/implantation bleeding might increase with the number of babies you have due to the cervix always being a little open. It was after a very cough the blood came out...

I so hope everything is alright!!!

[meeks32]

12 hours, where are you? Fingers crossed it goes up!!

I just took another test 10338
I'd say its darker than the one this morning.

How many dpo are you now then? No Af is surely a very good sign? You have the symptoms. And if you took it after a restless night and early that could totally mess up the temps. I think when I have restless nights I sleep with my mouth open and the temps are significantly lower. I just stay still with my mouth closed for 5 mins or so and test again...

I spoke to a doc but as expected they pretty much said wait and see and it could go either way. She said to test after AF is due in a few days. She did say it is quite common. Since this morning I've stayed in bed and I've not had anymore. When I wipe I can get a little brown but not much.

I was wondering if your chances of spotting/implantation bleeding might increase with the number of babies you have due to the cervix always being a little open. It was after a very cough the blood came out...

I so hope everything is alright!!!

That's a lovely dark line. How many dpo now? I think it's a good sign. Aren't you also bf'ing? Would that cause some blood due to hormones (in a safe don't worry about it way)?

I am 10 dpo today (day of temp drop). I do vaginal temps so can't be mucked up as easy, but being restless and early still can change things. I felt cold all night though and usually I feel hot after ov. Worried today as I don't know how much is in my head and how much is real. I think my skin is better not worse (damn!) and I haven't been as thirsty (damn!!). But I was very very nauseous and tired (yay!!). Haha

Af is due 10 dpo when not on meds, 12-13 dpo when I was on soy iso, and this is first cycle on clomid so who knows!

Ps totally going to bed now just so I can wake up quicker and temp/pee on a stick! Haha

[black&gold]

Thinking of both of you! I think things still look promising for both of you so don't loose hope!

Tree - I know bleeding can be so scary, I've never experience it myself in any of my pregnancies but I've heard of others and it's definitely natural to worry. However, there are lots of reasons for bleeding and I think the fact that it hasn't continued is a good sign. That BFP is also nice and strong although like you I don't even know what happens to a BFP if something is in the process of happening. I'm all worried myself too.. not for any particular reason but just because. I took a test again today which was darker than the control line so that's comforting, but again.. not sure if that even means anything. It's so frustrating because my symptoms constantly come and go all day. One second I feel fine, the next I'm exhausted. Or I'll have a random wave of nausea then feel okay. My boobs are a little more sore than the past days so hopefully that means some hormones are pumping!

Meeks - I can't wait to hear how things are when you wake up. So funny that your on the complete opposite schedule being that you're in Australia! I'm really hoping your temp is back up and things are looking good! Fingers crossed for both of you!!!!

[meeks32]

Urgh temp is the same, still a normal post o temp for me but down from the spike I had around my positive test. I think I lost this one. 11dpo and my FMU tests are neg on frer and ic.

My skin has also cleared up. :-(

[Niva]

Aww, Meeks! Hugs to you. :( But there's still a glimmer of hope, at least until AF shows. Better to expect the worst and be surprised with the best, right?

I thought for sure Clomid would make this one a sticky one for you. Are you already thinking about what you'll do for the next cycle? Will you talk to your doc again or just give it another go with the clomid? I'd say if ovulation/conception isn't the problem, and clomid didn't help implantation happen, then maybe another drug would work better (or there's another issue that needs dealt with first... do you know if you have any clotting issues?). But I'm no doctor, just been reading online way more than is good for me. :)

:hugs:

[meeks32]

Aww, Meeks! Hugs to you. :( But there's still a glimmer of hope, at least until AF shows. Better to expect the worst and be surprised with the best, right?

I thought for sure Clomid would make this one a sticky one for you. Are you already thinking about what you'll do for the next cycle? Will you talk to your doc again or just give it another go with the clomid? I'd say if ovulation/conception isn't the problem, and clomid didn't help implantation happen, then maybe another drug would work better (or there's another issue that needs dealt with first... do you know if you have any clotting issues?). But I'm no doctor, just been reading online way more than is good for me. :)

:hugs:


Thanks hon,

I saw a fertility specialist when we'd be trying 10 months (I told the GP it'd been a year because I just knew after 3 chemicals there was something odd, and wanted a referral). The fertility specialist checked my charts etc, and put me on Clomid because I o very late, and he wanted to bring o earlier, and also because my luteal was very short (10 days before I started soy iso, 12 days after). So Clomid wasn't to help implantation, if anything it can weaken the lining. The goal was to bring o earlier and lengthen luteal, therefore strengthening the lining BEFORE implantation could happen. So he put me on Clomid and gave me 3 cycles on it before we assess DH's sperm count, and if that comes back fine I will have a HSG. So this month was my first on clomid, and I have two more. I'll play around with when to take it, I did 3-7 this month, so i'll try 5-9 next month. I was hesitant to do 5-9 first go because when I did soy iso 5-9 I didn't o until cd 24. This month with clomid 3-7 i o'd on cd 20 which used to be normal for me. So in a way it did bring o back, from cd 24 to cd 20, just not sure it came back enough. The specialist said we need to try and get o back to cd14.

He dismissed the idea I could be low progesterone, not sure if it was because he doesn't believe progesterone is a issue at all , or just that he doesn't believe its an issue for me. He saw all my charts and had a good look at them too so I trust him. He's known to be the best fertility specialist in our area so I trust him (for now at least!!).

Since TTC has gone on over a year now I really have to be careful with too long on le. I've had 2 x 37 day cycles and the rest between 22-32 days but o keeps getting later and later so I just don't want to loose it alltogether. Dream encouraged me to ease up on le while on clomid, and this past month I swayed pretty hard, also for every month prior. So this coming month my plan is to loosen up on it. This is going to kill me though because I really believe in le. But maybe I just can't get pg on it. Maybe i'm only built to have boys, who knows! I'm growing tired of TTC and its taking over my life and having a negative effect on my family, so something has to give. I'll stick to 3 meals (bring in a girl friendly breakfast for first time, as skipping that made me moody and i'm over it, plus the stats aren't great anyway), no snacking, small portions but I'm going to not log everything in myfitnesspal this month, I think that aids my obsessive nature. Plus I know le by heart now. I'm going to have to eat meat at dinner at least 3 times a week as my mum is coming back to live with us for a while and no way will I be able to eat a different meal without her noticing and she would NEVER condone LE diet. Way too into nutrition! So i'll eat very small servings of the meat dinners and larger ones of the le friendly ones we have. Since i'm the cook in our house I can tailor it without her knowing, but not as heavily as I have in the past. I'll keep on diet coke too.

I need to wean off aspirin once af arrives. Anyone know the fastest safest way? I want to give it up this month.

[Tree]

Meeks I'm sorry about temps staying the same. But isn't the fact you've still not got AF a good sign? I remember you saying you had pos tests but really faint, could they have have been evaps? I don't understand too much about how clomid works but I hope that if it turns out this isn't the month that next one is!

Mrsblakley glad to hear your tests continue to get darker. I think everything is absolutely fine. Enjoy the days you don't feel ill, you'll wish you had when/if the real morning sickness kicks in. How many dpo are you now?

Haven't had any more blood since yesterday morning, just a little brown discharge this morning... Hoping everything is alright. I have such a terrible cold that I'm sure the constant coughing is pushing stuff out (the blood and discharge). My temps remain silly high with this low grade fever so can't read anything into that. Took another test this morning and the line is even stronger! Really just need to shake this silly silly cold now. It's boring!!

[Tree]

Oh and I'm 13 dpo today
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[meeks32]

Meeks I'm sorry about temps staying the same. But isn't the fact you've still not got AF a good sign? I remember you saying you had pos tests but really faint, could they have have been evaps? I don't understand too much about how clomid works but I hope that if it turns out this isn't the month that next one is!

Mrsblakley glad to hear your tests continue to get darker. I think everything is absolutely fine. Enjoy the days you don't feel ill, you'll wish you had when/if the real morning sickness kicks in. How many dpo are you now?

Haven't had any more blood since yesterday morning, just a little brown discharge this morning... Hoping everything is alright. I have such a terrible cold that I'm sure the constant coughing is pushing stuff out (the blood and discharge). My temps remain silly high with this low grade fever so can't read anything into that. Took another test this morning and the line is even stronger! Really just need to shake this silly silly cold now. It's boring!!


Tree that test is definitely darker than the last, I think you can relax and know its just the cold. Keep up the multivitamins now and get some ginger and lemon with hot water and honey in there to boost your immune system. Now is the time for a nutrient boost!

MRS Blakely I agree with Tree, I think its all fine for you too.

Tree that test is so dark, I am 11dpo today and neg, so I can't imagine waking up in two days time with an instantly dark test like that.

Yes I agree the 9dpo could have been an evap, but I had faint pos's on 7 and 8 too... unless it was a bad batch that have easy evaps... *clutches at straws* ;-)

On the upside the frers have all been neg. So *if* this temp drop was implantation, since af hasn't arrived, I guess I *could* get a plus in a day or two. But oddly I had so many preg symptoms from 7-10 dpo and not so many today. Feel very hot though.

[meeks32]

OMG Brainwave... CD 10 was the morning we woke up to the new time change, because of daylight saving! Could my temps be wrong because of that for CD 10 and 11??? We wound our clocks backwards 1hr at night when we went to bed on my cd9, so the next morning I usually temp at 6.30, but 6.30 was now 5.30. Meaning I temp'd at 6.30 the new time, which was 7.30 on the old time, or an hour later than usual. I certainly had a bad sleep the past two nights and my body clock is totally out.

This is what FF says about it:

The effect of Daylight Saving Time (DST) on your temperature is usually limited to the day of the change because you adjust quite quickly. In addition, the exact effect depends strongly on your own metabolism. Some people will see no effect at all while others will see a slight change (increase or decrease). Because in general having one temperature slightly off will not change your chart interpretation, Fertility Friend's recommendation is to record your temperature as usual without correcting it in any manner. We recommend that you keep taking the temp at the same time. If you took it at 6 in the morning before the change, then take it at 6 in the morning after the change.

None of that would explain the random + test on cd 9 then neg cd 10 and 11 though. Clutching at straws maybe.

[Tree]

Meeks I really think there is still a chance!! The times changing, the fact frer never showed anything, the fact AF has arrived. AF not forgetting just having that feeling.

Will regard to darkness of test don't forget that implantation does not occur at the same time for everyone past ovulation. I got my first positive at 8dpo which is super early, much earlier than I've had before!! And then you constantly hear stories about women who don't get positives on the tests until like 6 weeks and stuff.

Your temps haves plummeted and AF has not arrived. That sounds positive to me!

As for me, I feel so rotten I can't really focus too much on what's going on. I worry about high temps (even though low grade fever is apparently fine) and the pressure of coughing!! Still I think I've managed to get myself a 6pack from the constant coughing - silver lining. :-) Need to get to 6 weeks and book in a scan. Until I see a little heartbeat I won't be able to properly properly believe it.

[black&gold]

Meeks - I agree with Tree. The fact you haven't got AF yet is still a really good sign. And YES, daylight savings can mess stuff up. It totally messed all my temps up for a good maybe 3-4 days when we switched our clocks here a few weeks ago. My FF shows all those temps in white dots because it obviously thinks they aren't accurate. I would still try and think positively because there is a chance. Regardless.. it's good that your having this decent of an LP on Clomid! And just a side note - have you ever considered trying Lunaception? I'm not sure if I already told you this or not but I believe that is seriously what changed my O time as I never O before CD20 and this month it was CD17(or super super early CD18). I had read a few people on here do it and I knew I could use any supps being that I was seeing the RE soon so I just figured I'd try it out. When I looked at the moon calender I noticed that the previous month I had O'd on the full moon (and coincidentally we had kept ouR blinds open all month that cycle). So this past cycle I made our room complete darkness from CD1-13, then slept with a nightlight from CD13-17 and 18-now in darkness. I O'd on the last day the light was on and the second we turned on the lights I could feel my body getting ready. I am the last person on earth to believe in anything moon related so it's funny that of course I'm not suggesting it!!! But what I realized from before is that we were so all over the place with having light in our room. Sometimes we keep our blinds open, other nights our door would stay open which lets in light from a front window, some nights were dark.. so I started wondering if it was really throwing my body off. The full moon was March 27th-28th this month so I honestly think I would have O'd cd22 this month if we hadn't of done it. Anyways, just thought I'd tell you what I think worked for me!

Tree - that's a great BFP so I wouldn't worry. I also feel so sick and this cold won't go away. I think the lowered immune system certainly isn't helping recovery! I like you am going to try and get an early ultrasound because there's no way I can wait. I just want to make sure when I got that there is a guarenteed heartbeat (unless things aren't okay) because I'd hate to go too early and them say it might be to early to see a heartbeat so then I'm left wondering! I'm already so scared as it is.. can't deal with anything more! But, I need to see this is actually real before I'll believe it!!

[meeks32]

I know the feeling of not trusting it until you see a heartbeat. Have you had any more bleeding? Tests still look good for you i'm so sure it will be fine.

I'm nowhere near as thirsty, my skin is better and the nausea has stopped. Not looking good. I have had very odd cramps today, not af ones like yesterday, and still no blood but I wont class af as late until cd14 as 13 days is the longest I ever had. 12 is normal for my soy iso cycles so if I get to 14 its a win for clomid and my luteal at least. Although that doesn't feel like a win without a BFP.

How are your symptoms going?

[Tree]

I know the feeling of not trusting it until you see a heartbeat. Have you had any more bleeding? Tests still look good for you i'm so sure it will be fine.

I'm nowhere near as thirsty, my skin is better and the nausea has stopped. Not looking good. I have had very odd cramps today, not af ones like yesterday, and still no blood but I wont class af as late until cd14 as 13 days is the longest I ever had. 12 is normal for my soy iso cycles so if I get to 14 its a win for clomid and my luteal at least. Although that doesn't feel like a win without a BFP.

How are your symptoms going?

So what dpo are you now?

Symptons wise I really wouldn't worry this early. The hormone effect can only be so small, particularly if tests aren't showing positive yet. I thought morning sickness had started early for me but it turned out to be this nasty cold. So perhaps you started to get a cold but were able to fight it.

I've not had anymore bleeding as such but did manage to find a little bit of brown discharge.

I'm kinda feeling if it is a mc it will be a missed one. It seems strange to have a little bit of dark blood and then for it to stop so I'm hoping it was either implantation or breakthrough bleeding and everything is fine. I guess when you've mc'd before you look at things a little differently. And being unwell too certainly hasn't helped the nerves, though it has kept me occupied I guess.

All I can do it keep my fingers crossed that I'm growing a healthy little person, and that my body will be healthy too in protecting both of us. :-)

[meeks32]

Today's temp makes me realise its over but after a big calm down last night I have collected myself and you are right, longer LP is the first goal. Easing up on LE will make this next month emotionally easier for me, I felt clomid made me a raging bitch and LE was already doing that so it was much worse.

So now I have more temp data and I checked the bfp I got on the ic on cd9 afternoon, I can see it was definitely a positive, not evap, and all my symptoms started disappearing as my temp began to drop cd10 onwards, so it was just unfortunate I tested early and saw another chemical. This one would have been missed if I waited to cd12 to test.

Thinking 5-9 for clomid this next cycle. Thinking I'll stick on 50mg as prescribed but since I only have two more cycles on it until he checks dh's sperm and does a HCG on me, I want to make the most of it hence easing up on LE. Basically I want to get pg ASAP but without swaying blue too hard. After over a year TTC is getting old.

Like Atomic said to me before, easing off not dropping everything.

I've seen a few women have boys on clomid, and I'm not even sure if it sways as magically as some people think, so I want to keep some form of LE in there (no snacking, no gaining weight, ease off etc).

Expect af today. Tests still neg.

[Tree]

Well you sound very clear about your situation and I'm glad you have a plan. I'm sorry though then if this isn't your month and about having another chemical. I hope you are ok!!?

As for easing up on diet that sounds like a good idea. Only you can know how things effect you and what feels right. Personally I think it's amazing how our perspective on things change, here we are all wanting girls but realising, and rightly so that healthy babies really are all that matter!

As much as we sway and dream lets not forget that! :-)

Mrsblakely how are you getting on? Hoping your nerves decrease as time passes. I definitely don't think you have any need to worry about your LP effecting the pregnancy now!!

Over here my fever, I think, is finally gone. My temperature is back in the 36's as apposed to the 37's and 38's and I feel so much better! I'm 14 dpo and still obsessing over the bleeding. Was it too much to be implantation? Does the fact it happened after BFP mean something? Was it from the strain of coughing so violently? Was it breakthrough bleeding?? And so the questions continue to circulate round my head... It's the middle of the night here but in the morning I will test again and continue my regular pant watch routine..!

[Tree]

14 dpo
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Getting darker...

Not feeling so unwell and think/hope my temperature is stabilising.

Still nervous about bleeding, still getting bits of brown discharge. Very little but even so, I'd rather it wasn't there. I have no idea if its left over from the other day or what's going on.

[Niva]

Today's temp makes me realise its over but after a big calm down last night I have collected myself and you are right, longer LP is the first goal. Easing up on LE will make this next month emotionally easier for me, I felt clomid made me a raging bitch and LE was already doing that so it was much worse.

So now I have more temp data and I checked the bfp I got on the ic on cd9 afternoon, I can see it was definitely a positive, not evap, and all my symptoms started disappearing as my temp began to drop cd10 onwards, so it was just unfortunate I tested early and saw another chemical. This one would have been missed if I waited to cd12 to test.

Thinking 5-9 for clomid this next cycle. Thinking I'll stick on 50mg as prescribed but since I only have two more cycles on it until he checks dh's sperm and does a HCG on me, I want to make the most of it hence easing up on LE. Basically I want to get pg ASAP but without swaying blue too hard. After over a year TTC is getting old.

Like Atomic said to me before, easing off not dropping everything.

I've seen a few women have boys on clomid, and I'm not even sure if it sways as magically as some people think, so I want to keep some form of LE in there (no snacking, no gaining weight, ease off etc).

Expect af today. Tests still neg.

Glad you have plan for next month, and lots of hugs, hon, for this month. You are probably right that easing up on the LE diet will help. I don't think that is actually swaying blue, as long as you aren't improving your condition drastically.

I know just how you feel, Meeks, about not telling your mom about your diet. My mom is also into nutrition big-time and she would lecture me to no end about optimal health. She already tells me to eat more protein and I just say okay and then ignore her advice. But it's not that unhealthy to be a vegetarian; maybe you could tell her you are trying that out? If you want to stay veg, that is... Maybe you do need a break from it. Like tree says, you know your body best. :)

Do you know if DHA is allowed with clomid? That might help you stay even-keeled and get healthier without going the whole way back to a normal diet. It helps with mood and brain, it does a whole bunch of good things that I don't remember now (shouldn't have ignored my mom, haha) and has no possible bad effects at all if you get the purified form (regular fish oil can have contaminants). I know that is the first thing I will take when I get my bfp, and maybe even one of the first I'll add back in if I need to loosen my sway. Your body needs some fat to make everything work, and I'm not convinced that the type of fat even sways at all, so why not use the best...

So glad your LP has lengthened, at least. Go, Clomid! I forget, do you normally get spotting before your AF starts? I normally get 3-5 days of spotting before AF, and I always feel like the start of spotting is the true end of my LP. I can sense a definite hormone shift -- skin clears, cm dries up, etc.

[Niva]

14 dpo
10391
Getting darker...

Not feeling so unwell and think/hope my temperature is stabilising.

Still nervous about bleeding, still getting bits of brown discharge. Very little but even so, I'd rather it wasn't there. I have no idea if its left over from the other day or what's going on.

Yay! Yes, brown is definitely old. Brown just means it didn't all come out at once. If something was still bleeding in there, you'd have pink or red, not brown. So no worries there!

[Tree]

The last four days
10394

[Niva]

I need to wean off aspirin once af arrives. Anyone know the fastest safest way? I want to give it up this month.

I think the fastest safe way is to add an extra day between doses at each dose. I read this on another thread, but haven't checked it out IRL.

[Tree]

Yay! Yes, brown is definitely old. Brown just means it didn't all come out at once. If something was still bleeding in there, you'd have pink or red, not brown. So no worries there!

Thank you! I hope so. It's so hard not to worry. This early stage is a very strange sort of limbo land...

[meeks32]

Glad you have plan for next month, and lots of hugs, hon, for this month. You are probably right that easing up on the LE diet will help. I don't think that is actually swaying blue, as long as you aren't improving your condition drastically.

I know just how you feel, Meeks, about not telling your mom about your diet. My mom is also into nutrition big-time and she would lecture me to no end about optimal health. She already tells me to eat more protein and I just say okay and then ignore her advice. But it's not that unhealthy to be a vegetarian; maybe you could tell her you are trying that out? If you want to stay veg, that is... Maybe you do need a break from it. Like tree says, you know your body best. :)

Do you know if DHA is allowed with clomid? That might help you stay even-keeled and get healthier without going the whole way back to a normal diet. It helps with mood and brain, it does a whole bunch of good things that I don't remember now (shouldn't have ignored my mom, haha) and has no possible bad effects at all if you get the purified form (regular fish oil can have contaminants). I know that is the first thing I will take when I get my bfp, and maybe even one of the first I'll add back in if I need to loosen my sway. Your body needs some fat to make everything work, and I'm not convinced that the type of fat even sways at all, so why not use the best...

So glad your LP has lengthened, at least. Go, Clomid! I forget, do you normally get spotting before your AF starts? I normally get 3-5 days of spotting before AF, and I always feel like the start of spotting is the true end of my LP. I can sense a definite hormone shift -- skin clears, cm dries up, etc.

Thanks hon

I think i'll wait for a BFP before adding in DHA, I know fish oil sways quite heavily blue as it boosts fertility and condition drastically and atomic is always saying how its preferable to loosen diet and add some things back in through eating, rather than adding vast quantities through supplements for TTC girl.

I spot from af to o, never o to af. I have never been able to find any info on what that means, most people spot from o to af, or directly before or after af (say 3 days either side). Mine is like bang in the middle of af to o and also close to o. I o late so that means I spot a fair way into each cycle which I worry is stopping proper implantation. Maybe the lining is weak? I NEVER, EVER spotted with ds 1 or 2. The spotting started before I even came off birth control this time, so its not swaying or le thats causing it, as I wasnt swaying back then... I am concerned but gp and fertility doc arent so I guess I have to finish these 3 cycles on clomid then go do my HSG before exploring that further.

[meeks32]

The last four days
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That just looks perfect hon, try to relax (easier said than done).

The way I think of it, say you relax totally and accept its a sticky one and the pregnancy will be healthy... Wouldn't that help it be? And if something did happen, would you really feel worse for believing it was going to be ok? Or would it hurt the same weather you were worried and protecting yourself or not?

Does that make sense? Basically I think embrace it, think yourself safe and healthy and it can only help bubs.

Brown is def old blood so I think its not a worry that you are still getting that.

[meeks32]

oh and telling mum about the vego thing wouldn't work out, its a running joke in our house how much I love meat, and DH was a butcher when we met (now a carpenter) so that fuelled the teasing even more! She would never believe me.

I might tell her about TTC though. Will wait and see. She wants me to have a 3-4 year gap where i'm going for under 3 years (planned 2 but of course have been trying a year now) so I can't really be bothered telling her if she is going to bring any more pressure or negativity to it, you know?

Hey Tree and Mrs Blake there is a Due in Dec/Jan/Feb thread now for preggie ladies, check it out, lots of familiar names there. http://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28174

[Tree]

Ah Meeks, you are so right!! Thank you! X

[black&gold]

Still here ladies! I'm so sorry meeks to hear about another Chemical for you. I'm really happy to hear about your LP though! At least there was some goodness to the Clomid, but I'm really sorry to hear you've had to go through this again!

Tree - your BFP's look great! I'm not going to tell you not to worry because I'd be a total hypocrite.. but really, we shouldn't worry. I keep trying to tell myself exactly was Meeks said and to just enjoy it while it lasts.. whether that's another week or 37 weeks! The hardest part for me was having this cold because it made me feel so run down. At the time I thought a lot of it was preggo symptoms and one of the reason I actually tested early because of how exhausted I was. Now that the cold has cleared up I feel pretty good compared to how I did - so of course that has me worried! It's still so early though and I usually don't get hit hard with nausea until week 6 so I just keep telling myself that. I think I've probably brushed over my chest a million times in the last 2 days just to make sure things were still a little sensitive!!! I am crazy!

Thanks meeks for the due date club! and please keep us updated on your next cycle! I'm so interested to follow your journey and see how your next cycle on Clomid does.

For what it's worth, I had to completely stop the LE because I lost way to much weight and I almost lost O (still unsure if LE is actually what messed my LP up to begin with) so anyways, definitely don't feel bad if you have to ease up a bit. The fact your on Clomid is a huge win, I feel like that's one of the major sway factors. Even if you did nothing else, clomid is a super good sway!

[Tree]

I've not got any chest sensitivity but I didn't with ds2 either... Don't worry about not feeling horrendously ill, I am really hoping for a healthy pregnancy and no morning sickness, you can hope right!! :-)

Thanks Meeks for due date thread, will prob wait until I'm really sure to join!

[Niva]

Thanks hon

I think i'll wait for a BFP before adding in DHA, I know fish oil sways quite heavily blue as it boosts fertility and condition drastically and atomic is always saying how its preferable to loosen diet and add some things back in through eating, rather than adding vast quantities through supplements for TTC girl.

I spot from af to o, never o to af. I have never been able to find any info on what that means, most people spot from o to af, or directly before or after af (say 3 days either side). Mine is like bang in the middle of af to o and also close to o. I o late so that means I spot a fair way into each cycle which I worry is stopping proper implantation. Maybe the lining is weak? I NEVER, EVER spotted with ds 1 or 2. The spotting started before I even came off birth control this time, so its not swaying or le thats causing it, as I wasnt swaying back then... I am concerned but gp and fertility doc arent so I guess I have to finish these 3 cycles on clomid then go do my HSG before exploring that further.

That's a very good point with the supplement issue. If dha does sway blue at all, better not to take it in such concentration.

Glad to hear you don't spot at all before AF. Maybe that is why your RE wasn't worried about progesterone?

MsB and Tree: I know how hard it is not to worry! Such wise words from Meeks, though... I am pulling for you to both sail through the next few weeks and months and then really enjoy your pregnancies! :)

[Tree]

oh and telling mum about the vego thing wouldn't work out, its a running joke in our house how much I love meat, and DH was a butcher when we met (now a carpenter) so that fuelled the teasing even more! She would never believe me.

I might tell her about TTC though. Will wait and see. She wants me to have a 3-4 year gap where i'm going for under 3 years (planned 2 but of course have been trying a year now) so I can't really be bothered telling her if she is going to bring any more pressure or negativity to it, you know?

Hey Tree and Mrs Blake there is a Due in Dec/Jan/Feb thread now for preggie ladies, check it out, lots of familiar names there. http://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28174

Meeks, just wondering what happened with your cycle in the end? Did AF show or are you still waiting?

[meeks32]

Meeks, just wondering what happened with your cycle in the end? Did AF show or are you still waiting?

Sorry I forgot you don't see signatures on your iPad (like me most of the time). Yes af arrived. 12 day luteal which is up from 10 but down from the soy iso cycle where I had 13. Had the only + on cd9 then af cramps and tests back to neg from cd 10. :-(

[Tree]

Sorry I forgot you don't see signatures on your iPad (like me most of the time). Yes af arrived. 12 day luteal which is up from 10 but down from the soy iso cycle where I had 13. Had the only + on cd9 then af cramps and tests back to neg from cd 10. :-(

Oh rubbish. I'm sorry. LP wise though that's great, 12 days even if you've had 13 is very conception friendly!
Fingers and toes crossed this is your month. You were planning to ease up on diet weren't you? So does that mean you'll eat more, or add more nutrients? I actually had a few nutritious cheats, just small ones... When I saw how bad my nails had got it kinda freaked me out. There is an actual line on all my nails between the grown out healthy shiny nail and the newer dull and very matt looking nail. It is quite an eye opener as to how diet effects our bodies!

[Tree]

Sorry I forgot you don't see signatures on your iPad (like me most of the time). Yes af arrived. 12 day luteal which is up from 10 but down from the soy iso cycle where I had 13. Had the only + on cd9 then af cramps and tests back to neg from cd 10. :-(

Oh rubbish. I'm sorry. LP wise though that's great, 12 days even if you've had 13 is very conception friendly!
Fingers and toes crossed this is your month. You were planning to ease up on diet weren't you? So does that mean you'll eat more, or add more nutrients? I actually had a few nutritious cheats, just small ones... When I saw how bad my nails had got it kinda freaked me out. There is an actual line on all my nails between the grown out healthy shiny nail and the newer dull and very matt looking nail. It is quite an eye opener as to how diet effects our bodies!

[meeks32]

Oh rubbish. I'm sorry. LP wise though that's great, 12 days even if you've had 13 is very conception friendly!
Fingers and toes crossed this is your month. You were planning to ease up on diet weren't you? So does that mean you'll eat more, or add more nutrients? I actually had a few nutritious cheats, just small ones... When I saw how bad my nails had got it kinda freaked me out. There is an actual line on all my nails between the grown out healthy shiny nail and the newer dull and very matt looking nail. It is quite an eye opener as to how diet effects our bodies!

The fact my temps dropped and I had af cramps from cd 10 doesn't make me that confident in the extended luteal. Its like it was extended technically but the cramps and temp drop still happened on cd10. Maybe its all going to help for next month.

I am sticking to the calorie limits, but going to ease up on considering every little thing. No snacks, but adding in a small breakfast to make 3 meals in the day rather than 2. 1 piece of toast with jam and a coffee. It should help me feel like LE is less full on and it shouldn't be too far from the usual LE. Also i'm going to eat meat 3 times a week, but those days i'll make sure I keep other protein low so I can stay close to the limits. Basically i'll still be doing LE just rather than sticking to limits of everything so vigilantly i'll just loosen a bit. I had thought to drop it completely but i'll give it one more month just looser and see if thats enough. I might go over the limits slightly here or there but stick to basic principals. Thats what dreamofpink did last month on clomid and it got her a bfp...

[Tree]

How is everyone doing? I've just woken up from an awful nightmare!! In my dream I had a miscarriage and could see the little person. It was so real and so haunting. I think it's because I've booked a scan for next week... It means that either way the reality is waiting. I'm so frightened. I won't even be 6 weeks so there is a chance it will be inconclusive anyway. Oh the worrying, it's got me really bad.

I've not had anymore spotting in over a week now but it just has made me so nervous. I've miscarried before which I guess plays on my mind. But I suppose also its the fact that this pregnancy does seem a bit against the odds, and maybe a bit too good to be true....

[meeks32]

Oh hon try not to read too much into the dreams, I have vivid dreams during pregnancy and also while on clomid, and usually they are a mash up of different topics, fears or thoughts from the day, they dont really mean anything, but I know how haunting they can be.

Last night I had a strange dream about me giving birth really fast (lol in real life my labour with ds1 was 48hrs active before ending in caesarian so couldn't be less true) then when the baby came out it was REALLY big and was a boy. In my dream I was really disappointed, but in real life i've started feeling i'd be ok with any gender. Then in the dream ds2 went over and cuddled the baby and I realised I was ok.

RANDOM. I don't read too much into it, its a mash up of things I have been thinking reading and feeling lately, and they aren't even all that accurate. But I've been thinking about it all day anyway. I really hate having such real dreams, I feel like I need to sleep again and dream something else just to overwrite it!

[Tree]

It's so strange isn't it. And yeah I feel too like I want a cleansing dream to better the horrible one... Still feeling a bit strange.

Think I'm just quite anxious about everything really. Plus hormones are probably doing strange things. I do tend to have a lot of nightmares and vivid dreams in pregnancy!

[Dreamofpink]

Tree I too had a dream about miscarrying last week. It was horrid whilst I was in the dream but when I woke up I felt like it really didn't connect with me if that makes sense. It must've been as a direct result of my constant worrying. I'm now 6 weeks pg, off for my booking appt with the midwife in 20 mins and have a niggling worry that they'll find out that actually I'm not pg at all, just imagining it! Totally irrational and crazy I know!! :D

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[Tree]

Woke up and went for a wee... More blood! Think a bit went in the loo. What I wiped was pinky brown. Do you think I'm having a mc? :-(

[Niva]

My dr told me to look for fresh blood with ds1, so pinky-brown isn't necessarily a freak-out sign. I had that around 6-7 weeks too, and they said it was probably blood left over from implantation. But call your doctor if you're worried! Let us know... Sending sticky bean thoughts your way.

[Tree]

My dr told me to look for fresh blood with ds1, so pinky-brown isn't necessarily a freak-out sign. I had that around 6-7 weeks too, and they said it was probably blood left over from implantation. But call your doctor if you're worried! Let us know... Sending sticky bean thoughts your way.

Thank you! I hope it's nothing!! I've had nothing since. In fact it seems bizarre that there is no evidence of it even having happened. It's hard not to worry a bit... I will have a scan next week and hopefully then will understand what's going on, or fingers crossed at least have reassurance that everything is alright. I'll let you know either way.

[black&gold]

Thinking of you Tree! I'm sure it's nothing if it hasn't happened since. It seems like if it's continuous it's a problem. I know my SIL had something similar around 5-7 weeks with her first and he's a normal 3 year old boy! I hope it's nothing but I know it's hard not to worry!!! I'll be waiting for an update!

I've been so anxious the last few days that I can't sleep - I'm wondering if it's hormone related. I've stopped worrying about a MC and am now freaking out about something being wrong with the baby, or feeling like I'm betraying my two boys by having another.. it's all weird.. I just feel so down constantly - no excitement at all which is weird because we tried for a while for this baby and thought it might never happen which had me in tears at times! Hormones are weird!

[Tree]

I totally get the betrayal thing. I felt like that when I was pregnant with ds2 and when I found out this time too. It's like you don't want the kids you have to feel like they are not enough, because they are everything! The sleep issues I can also relate to, I've had such vivid and mainly unpleasant dreams as well as a sense of restlessness. Pretty sure the hormones are to blame!!
How far along are you now? Have you got a scan booked yet? The worrying is so difficult to ignore. And actually there has been quite a few sad stories and scares on the board lately which inevitably leads to thinking and more worry.
I'm starting to wonder if I might have a SCH because of the nature of the bleeds. Just little, turning to brown right away and then disappearing. I don't know of miscarriages that start this way, from what I've read the bleeding starts and continues, usually accompanied by pain and heavy red blood. But then my knowledge of miscarriages are pretty limited. I have been concerned about ectopic though as I've read about the unpredictable nature of them... I've had what's felt like ovulation pain but nothing significant. And then there is implantation bleeding... But surely that would happen around 4 weeks. It seems there are many instances of unexplained spotting too. Who knows. I just have to hope and pray everything is ok!!

[Tree]

Just back from my scan... Got to see my little person to be with a tiny flickering heartbeat. :-) She said the spotting must have been implantation!

[meeks32]

Yay tree, so happy for you! Well done! Xx

[Tree]

So I decided to add my sway... http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway/28966-tree-ttc-girl-sway-attempt.html Wanted to wait until 12 weeks or a bit later at least but then realised I would forget things.
Been a bit crampy the last few days, particularly my back but I think it may be hormonal as it only hurts when I move heavy things or am awkward plus it feels more muscular. I still worry though.... Come on first trimester, hurry up!!!

[Niva]

So I decided to add my sway... http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway/28966-tree-ttc-girl-sway-attempt.html Wanted to wait until 12 weeks or a bit later at least but then realised I would forget things.
Been a bit crampy the last few days, particularly my back but I think it may be hormonal as it only hurts when I move heavy things or am awkward plus it feels more muscular. I still worry though.... Come on first trimester, hurry up!!!

Could it be round ligament pain, Tree? I read that started sooner in second pregnancies, and now I know it's true. At 11 dpo I started feeling that unmistakable pulling pain when I moved a certain way. It's not my back (it's just right of center, low down) but maybe that's what you feel?

[Tree]

Could it be round ligament pain, Tree? I read that started sooner in second pregnancies, and now I know it's true. At 11 dpo I started feeling that unmistakable pulling pain when I moved a certain way. It's not my back (it's just right of center, low down) but maybe that's what you feel?

That's exactly where it is!! I had no idea that was round ligament pain.

Thank you!

[meeks32]

Round ligament pain for me felt like someone stabbing me with a hot knife in both sides to the right almost where my ovaries were but down closer to the middle. So in between the middle and top of my hip bones. I had it horribly and early on both times. It was excruciating to laugh or cough when having the pain, like my sides splitting.

I did also have dull cramping in early pregnancy and a girlfriend that is pregnant now said she was sure af was coming and she would miscarry because she had exactly af like cramps the whole first 12 weeks but she is now 30 weeks and going fine. So cramps are normal hon, I'm positive you will be fine!!

Xx

[Tree]

8 weeks today and I had my follow up scan. Everything looks great and I've not had any spotting in weeks now, lets hope there isn't any more!

[fish2012]

tree sorry havn't had tiome to read all answers but i thought i was ovulating from ff and very weak positive opks but i did blood tests with dr and some months i was ovulating some not - may combop b/f and LE diet too much for you to o normally for me i think it was le and stress ;-0

once i took clomid i got a 'proper' positve opk and was like ah i havn't seen one of those for a while - i kept assuming i'd missed the high point for a dark test if you see what i mean i think on refelction i wasn't o-ing. i was taking vitex and saw plamento which didn't help for me but i know vitex has helped others

good luck x

[meeks32]

8 weeks today and I had my follow up scan. Everything looks great and I've not had any spotting in weeks now, lets hope there isn't any more!

Well done, so glad to hear it! The scans feel like forever apart when you are worried don't they?! Xx

[Niva]

This is somewhat off-topic, Meeks, but I remembered something you said about your chemicals not registering on FRERs. I may be experiencing the same strange poas phenomenon with Internet cheapies vs. the FRERs and I'm trying to figure out what's causing it. Before a month ago, every IC bfn was a solid white bfn. But this cycle, I tested with ICs in the middle of the cycle (to make sure the chemical was gone) and they showed a faint but visible shadow. My blood HGC was <2 at that point -- well below the level of even the most sensitive test. Now, at both 7 and 8dpo, I tested and got the same shadow, but the frer was a blank white bfn. I used First Response, supposedly the most sensitive test available, so I doubt the IC is simply showing a true bfp really, really early.

I wonder if ICs are picking up another hormone other than HGC? A hormone that lasts even beyond the time HGC returns to normal after a chemical pg... Is this consistent with your experiences too?

[meeks32]

For me, the ic's have only shown positive at 8-10 dpo, and my temps confirmed those were in fact months I had been pg then had a chemical. Frer has only showed pos for 2 of my 5 chemicals, and only faint even then. I found out frer are 25miu where the ic's I buy are 10. My lines weren't shadows though (some ic batches are horrid for colourless shadows and some are great) my ic's tended to show colour lines, within the time frame, unless I forgot and left them somewhere and went back, which did happen on occasion. When I tested after af once or twice to check af was in fact af, rather than just breakthrough bleeding, the ic's were stark white again. So I don't know, maybe you had a bad batch? When I look back at my positive ic's for my chemicals I can still see colour in the lines, and the lines are solid, not faint on one side and darker on the other like an evap...