Interesting result after looking at due dates data

[Serendipity]

I have been meaning to look at the data for the recent due date clubs to see if it would help me to decide what supplements to take- here's what I found, it turned out to be really interesting-

I just had some time to look at the results of the due date groups in regards to supps, here's what I found-

March/apr/May sways

25 people swayed girl, 15 failed sways, 10 successful sways

Out of the opposites-


5 took Saw Palmetto

1 took calcium & magnesium

3 took aspirin

7 took anti Hists

Out of the Successful Sways-


0 took Saw Palmetto

0 took calcium & mag

3 took aspirin

5 took ant Hists


For the June/July/Aug

21 people swayed girl, 8 sways failed, 13 succeeded. 3 people didn't sway but got a girl.


Out of the opposites-


1 took Saw Palmetto

1 took calcium & magnesium

1 took aspirin

1 took anti Hists


Of the successes-


4 took Saw Palmetto

1 took calcium & magnesium

3 took aspirin

6 took anti Hists


So in total for these two groups-

46 swayed girl

23 failed

23 succeeded

That seems like a completely random 50% split to me. I really wasn't expecting that when I totaled them up at the end. If anyone wants the details to check, I have written down all the names and those who posted their sways results that I could find. Most of the people who posted sways were doing the LE diet.

[BoysMamaTTC4aGirl]

Just curious, do you know how many of these purchased a personalized plan?

[atomic sagebrush]

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/25157-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet.html Hmm well according to this the pink sways are doing better than 60% and these numbers haven't been updated for awhile, we've had several successes recently that aren't reflected in the numbers as of yet. LE diet overall was 67% and went between 60%-80% success rate depending on how long people did it for.

We've had the blue sways running between 70-80% and most of the boy-moms have a boy-friendly diet/lifestyle, so what you have to understand is, for those of us who already have boys, we may have been coming into swaying with quite high chances of a boy to begin with due to our diet/lifestyle. To go from 70-80% of a boy to 50-50 is STILL a good sway. When I was swaying, I felt like I had virtually no chance at a girl, and I felt that if I could get to 50-50, I'd take the flip of a coin at that point.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just curious, do you know how many of these purchased a personalized plan?

The personalized sway plan numbers are going to be exactly the same as the overall stats because the custom sway plan people don't get any special secret info, they just have me do the planning for them. :) I try to keep all sway info available to everyone.

[nuthinbutpink]

There are many more people that purchase plans that never post in the open forum. We do follow up with them to find out how things turned out.

Only a subset of people post in the due date forums so it's not totally accurate. Even 50-50 is fine with me though because those that end up on tha happy side of the 50 were at 0% before trying our swaying recommendations.

[Serendipity]

Don't mean to offend anyone by posting these results, as I said I was looking for supplement information and the results took me by surprise, so I thought I should share them. This is data posted from the due date clubs results, which can be seen in the sticky posts there. Am I right in saying the data in the spreadsheet is added to by the individual? Some people might not have added their sways if so. Again I would like to say I don't mean to annoy people by posting this, I personally would love it if swaying tipped the odds, but must admit this has thrown me by how random the results were, it seems to reflect the almost 50-50 split you'd expect to see in the general population. Sorry to bring it up, but thought it was important to share.

[atomic sagebrush]

There are many more people that purchase plans that never post in the open forum. We do follow up with them to find out how things turned out.

Only a subset of people post in the due date forums so it's not totally accurate. Even 50-50 is fine with me though because those that end up on tha happy side of the 50 were at 0% before trying our swaying recommendations.

:agree: and a lot of the custom sway people haven't added their sway info. I don't really feel kosher about saying, well this person and that person got a girl when they've a)not chosen to share that publicly and b)have everyone expect to take me at my word - because I could be making those numbers up.

My whole deal on sway stats has been to try and make them as fair and transparent as I can - so we include everyone's stats even people who didn't really do "good" sways and we want all the stats to be from sways where anyone can doublecheck the numbers. We don 't want to cherrypick the data to make swaying look more effective and we don't want you guys to have to just take us at our word on the numbers, we want you to be able to see for yourselves.

The one due date forum had bad luck unfortunately. At the same time we had some custom sway plan successes and some others who weren't active in the due date forum. (I even posted about that at the time somewhere in that forum)

At the end of the day stats are just a tool and we need to take from them what we will.

[atomic sagebrush]

We're not annoyed, just trying to provide accurate info and explanation. :)

The data in that spreadsheet was compiled by rainbowflower on the basis of the "add your sway" stats. So anyone who added their sway, is in the spreadsheet. This includes the peopel in the due date forums because most people who like to hang out on the site have added their sway info.

[Serendipity]

From what I can see, there are 18 people from the public forums who haven't added their sways to the spreadsheet, that being said, most of these (11) are successes. So I'd be interested to ask anyone who is still around after swaying to add their data to the spreadsheet to make it as accurate as we can. I know rainbowflower did ask the due date boards to do just that. The thing that worries me is that failed sways might lose heart and not post again and it skews the data. *sigh* Sorry to be a naysayer, but I'm trying to base a decision on all the data available. Believe me, I'd be over the moon if the data showed a significant tip over the 50% average.

[nuthinbutpink]

There are lots of factors to consider besides supplements though when looking at results.

People's age, number of children, weight, lifestyle. They all make up a sway. I don't agree that 50/50 is random either. If it was, a lot of us wouldn't have to be here. We have many people that have had several of the same gender that finally get an opposite.

Our number of away plans is in the few 100s though so 11 isn't going to mean much as far as stats go from a big picture standpoint.

50/50 doesn't mean swaying doesn't work. Nobody on this forum fits the 50/50 "what you would expect odds." That's the only point I'm trying to make.

[Serendipity]

There are lots of factors to consider besides supplements though when looking at results.

People's age, number of children, weight, lifestyle. They all make up a sway. I don't agree that 50/50 is random either. If it was, a lot of us wouldn't have to be here. We have many people that have had several of the same gender that finally get an opposite.

Our number of away plans is in the few 100s
though so 11 isn't going to mean much as far as stats go from a big picture standpoint.

50/50 doesn't mean swaying doesn't work. Nobody on this forum fits the 50/50 "what you would expect odds." That's the only point I'm trying to make.

No totally agree, I was doing a tally specifically in regards to supps for my own personal interest as I'm trying to decide which ones to take. I couldn't see any correlation to success for any particular one. It was only when I got to the end I wondered about the total overall success rate (not taking any particular aspect into account) and did a quick tally. It has bummed me out to see that result if I'm honest, as I don't see how its different to any normal birth board split between genders.

[atomic sagebrush]

I do ask people to post their sways but some people don't. That is out of my control. I have also done everything in my power to create a welcoming atmosphere where people feel safe posting failed sways. As a result I include sways where people didn't exactly do things the way I would personally have had them. I really feel like I try to always err on the side of fairness and accuracy, and at the same time I feel like we don't always get the benefit of the doubt where the numbers are concerned and hey, maybe that's just part of the gig. We get compared to sites that are skewing their data deceptively at worst and manipulating it at best.

It's fine to question and be a naysayer. I'm just not quite sure I see the fairness in singling out two groups of swayers who posted in the Due Date groups, rather than looking at the numbers as a whole (and that includes blue swayers) Especially if the seasons are swaying as may possibly be the case, people due at certain times of year may be more likely to conceive a certain gender.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/762-statistics-question-anybody-know.html Re 50-50 odds, as you can see in this thread, for those of us with several boys our odds aren't 50-50 anyway so even 50-50 is a successful sway (our numbers ARE significantly better than 50-50 anyway)

[atomic sagebrush]

No totally agree, I was doing a tally specifically in regards to supps for my own personal interest as I'm trying to decide which ones to take. I couldn't see any correlation to success for any particular one. It was only when I got to the end I wondered about the total overall success rate (not taking any particular aspect into account) and did a quick tally. It has bummed me out to see that result if I'm honest, as I don't see how its different to any normal birth board split between genders.

I don't think the supps for ladies are that great. I got a boy taking vitex and a girl taking vitex. I do think it sways pink to some extent or I wouldn't include it. The numbers on the diet, exercise, Clomid, licorice root, one attempt, fiber ARE great and I just don't want people to be put off swaying after reading one post that I don't feel is an accurate representation of the facts.

[Serendipity]

Agreed, you can't draw any conclusions at all from a sample of 40 odd people, I wouldn't be convinced unless there was a controlled sample of a few thousand. But I don't see that happening any time soon. If I can see any proof that swaying can affect resultant gender that's not based on conjecture I'll be a happy swayer. I am watching the spreadsheet with interest as I pray it shows we can have some aspect of control over these difficult feelings. I'm very grateful to everyone involved. I was just really surprised by how even the split was on the other data available to me and wanted to share it with others in the same boat as me, I don't mean to try and p*$$ in anyone's cornflakes. I'll shut up now I've made myself unpopular by totalling up the public sways :)

[nuthinbutpink]

Well, if you no longer believe in swaying, I guess it makes it a lot easier to just go for it and accept what's given to you.

I don't think the results are random at all. I think we can influence things and it's certainly not close to 100% but I think it's easy to say it doesn't work and not try so you can't fail.

I'm not upset at all by you posting the public sways. I don't feel bad at all about the 50% stat you quoted because like I've said, of you look at where most people are coming in with, like you, you're at zero percent do far. I'll take 50.

We're trying. We can't do everything and we can't keep up with everyone that posts about their sway. I love the stats and hope anyone that we've helped will let us know how they got on. It can help by trying to figure out what worked and what didn't but that's not reality. You'll never be able to do that because we are all different and we all lead different lives. There is no manic potion. I think we are very upfront about that.

Swaying is about trying to change something, anything that may yield a different result. We've based our approach using as much science as is available. You certainly can't expect a different result by repeating the same thing all over again. That doesn't work but that is what most people do that don't know about swaying.

Nobody's upset. I just want people to understand that it isn't as simple as saying 10 people got girls and 10 people got boys. The plans atomic does are around 16 pages long. You can't compare all that goes into a sway like the way you presented it. I'm sorry you're bummed about 50%. Swaying isn't for everyone. If you need a guarantee, I'd go HT! We can help you through that too!

[Princess of Pink]

I would be bloody happy if atomics swaying would give me a 50/50 chance of having a boy because at this point I feel like I have a 96% chance of having another girl. My OB toldme I had a 96% chance of having another girl, as did the u/s tech on wednesday when I went to get my girlie junk checked out to make sure everything is still all good to conceive in there.

And you know I feel like I don't have any chance to have a boy, what the odds honestly of having 5 girls in a row?? 2.7% chance! Somehow I don't think my body and lifestyle ever gave me a 50% chance of having a boy!

[Butterfly Spirit]

If you have never taken Vitex I really think you should try it.
The point in swaying is to do something different than the norm. If you crank out boys it's a good idea to change things up IMO. Vitex usually changes things up for everyone who takes it. One thing it does is change the time you O to earlier or later than your normal cycle. I went from Oing on day 23 for months to Oing around day 14!
I believe in Vitex.. it is fabulous, and I'd recommend it to anyone! :)
That's my DD in my avatar pic!

PS for PH change.. or change of my vag environment I used RepHresh the week surrounding O and SYLK with each BD which was 2 times surrounding O.

Other things I threw in for good measure were - ions. And I did take Calc and Mag and B50 complex.

I swayed in April and May. I did conceive in April with Vitex but lost my baby most likely due to thyroid issues.

Who knows what made my sway successful, all I knew was I had to change things to have a shot at my DD.

[Mrs_P]

I must admit i went through a lot of stats when i was ttc'ing and for women in my position i found those with a long run of boys it was pretty much about 60% who got a girl. The way i looked at it was until that point we had nothing but boys between us even if it only worked just over half of the time thats a heck of a shot up from the 90% chance i thought i had of another boy. I was also shocked to realise that a lot of things i did naturally swayed boy. I knew nothing i was doing this time would sway blue so for me the rest to 50/50 (even if that was all i got - although from the hours i spent researching i felt it was lot a higher) was a great chance any way better than anything i would have had on my own.

I think the other thing to bare in mind is that sometimes looking at the stats it can be a bit misleading. I swayed with both due date groups mentioned as it took us a while to catch. Personally i think all the girls did themselves proud and this is not mean't in a negative way at all but not all were as strict as others in their sways, sometimes life takes over and you do the best you can. Things like the diet do slacken when your on it for a while and things do slip if your not getting pregnant. This is probably true of any due date group but if you do read some of the threads from the time they would give a little background to some of the difficulties people experienced. Not pointing any fingers as i said everyone did themselves proud but some things are not seen in context when you just look at the stats.

In my personal opinion to i do think looking at the individual stats doesn't help to much (as in like 0% taking SP) because no-one thing is key to making a good sway, its the combination of things that sway. I conceived on clomid and i think that made a huge difference to my sway but i did take SP and Vitex the months before and i noticed a real change in my personality (i was a lot more laid back and less stressy than normal) and this is the only thing i think caused it. I know a few of the girls did SP and vitex but dropped it when they weren't catching so although its not necessarily listed taking it the month before may have helped.

I do also think luck plays a huge part in things i have seen some due date groups with amazing stats, the march/april/may one did have a bad run of things but overall swaying can't be 100% because there are too many other factors that come into that affect things to but again in my opinion nothing your told to do on here will sway opposite of what you want and if your going to try anyway for another then you might as well give it a go, even if your not successful you've had a chance than you stood before and at least you know you did all you could (which was the peace of mind that i was looking for)

[Sway&Wish]

I also think that it is fair to question whether swaying works.

I think if you are looking for hope, perhaps going back even further with the public data would provide more data points.

You may also find it reassuring to know that most people post their sway when they get a BFP (not when they find out the sex of the baby), which at least lessens the issue of the sway statistics being unrepresentative.

Perhaps you will find it more compelling to look through actual research. While the effectiveness of swaying has yet to be adequately tested (at least in terms of what people are doing here), that the sex ratio is influenced by various conditions that affect the body has received scientific scrutiny (some conditions more than others).

[atomic sagebrush]

Agreed, you can't draw any conclusions at all from a sample of 40 odd people, I wouldn't be convinced unless there was a controlled sample of a few thousand. But I don't see that happening any time soon. If I can see any proof that swaying can affect resultant gender that's not based on conjecture I'll be a happy swayer. I am watching the spreadsheet with interest as I pray it shows we can have some aspect of control over these difficult feelings. I'm very grateful to everyone involved. I was just really surprised by how even the split was on the other data available to me and wanted to share it with others in the same boat as me, I don't mean to try and p*$$ in anyone's cornflakes. I'll shut up now I've made myself unpopular by totalling up the public sways :)

Hey, my cornflakes are bone dry! ;)

We have almost 150 results in the swaying spreadsheet and at the rate the site is growing I fully expect to see that number be at least approaching 1000 by the end of this year.

I hope you can understand the issue is not that anyone totals up the sways. I understand where you're coming from, which is that if swaying works, then surely you should be able to pick any group at random and have it be better than 50-50 but it doesn't work that way, if the numbers are 65-35 over the whole population of the site, then there could easily be some groups that are 70-30, some groups that are 50-50, it's the nature of randomness and chaos that things work out that way. The due date groups aren't a random sample of people, they're people who were swaying at a particular time when we believed certain things to be true/plausible and some of those things are bound to be wrong (more about this below.)

I COMPLETELY understand the emotions involved, and probably better than most because I got scared by "stats" on the other site into including things that in my gut felt like they would sway blue and ended up with an opposite because of it. I don't fault anyone for adding up and wanting to discuss any trends at all whatsoever. I do ask that people listen to my take on things tho.

Nuthin and I are in a bit of a "darned if you do, darned if you don't" kind of position. Anyone can say what they want (and we WANT and fully intend to keep it that way and avoid censorship) and when we try to respond with our take on the same data, people interpret that as us being mad or defensive when it's really not the case. I"m not mad, I'm explaining.

I know people are disappointed in 60% numbers but not me. When you think about it, we are talking about ALTERING THE 52-48 GENDER RATIO BY 10% (or more) with some easy to make changes in diet. Including everyone, regardless of how good a sway they do, we are still getting in the 60% range. That is CA-RAZY that we can seemingly do that and the blue sways have been even more successful. I wake up every morning in shock over it LOL.

Is it the mystical 95% that some of the sites claim? Um no, because they're liars (in my OPINION ;)) 95% is not an option, going from being 70-80% likely to have a boy to 65% likely to have a girl IS and we may even improve upon that number over the course of time.

[harleyquinn]

^Agreed. ALso if you look at the studies we are basing some of this stuff off of (ie famine studies) the sex ratio really only changes by a few percentage points (Great Leap Forward famine sex ratio went from 107 boys to something like 105 (?? can't remember)) so even in nature the skew is not that great so what we are doing here is combining a whole bunch of stuff (diet, sperm count, vag environment etc etc!) to get the best odds from what we do know.

If we compared results here with just the general population who don't sway at all who have both boys and girls, there is usually something that they did unknowingly and it wasn't taking Saw Palmetto. YOu can have a bang-up sway with no supplements at all. I think the tiniest little thing can sway your odds and combined with some luck and natural circumstances, you can concieve an opposite of what you have. I think swaying does work but we don't do FDA type trials so there is NO statistical significance to the stats we have here IMO. (double blind trial anyone? I don't think so) and we are not looking at factors ALONE so there is no way to tell what is actually getting the job done. You just do what fits for you.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think the other thing to bare in mind is that sometimes looking at the stats it can be a bit misleading. I swayed with both due date groups mentioned as it took us a while to catch. Personally i think all the girls did themselves proud and this is not mean't in a negative way at all but not all were as strict as others in their sways, sometimes life takes over and you do the best you can. Things like the diet do slacken when your on it for a while and things do slip if your not getting pregnant. This is probably true of any due date group but if you do read some of the threads from the time they would give a little background to some of the difficulties people experienced. Not pointing any fingers as i said everyone did themselves proud but some things are not seen in context when you just look at the stats.


^^^^This. It's not just about the strictness/laxness of anyone's sway tho, because I believe everyone sways their hearts out and some of us just get lucky. But some people had circumstances that were working against them more than some other people did.

It's also that going into all this we simply did not KNOW what would work. We have def. made some false starts and wrong moves and I feel like that one poor due date group really caught the brunt of that thru no fault of their own - going into that batch of sways we simply did not yet have the level of experience and known outcomes to be able to predict what would sway more; when presented with two options that both seem to make intuitive sense, without the real world experience we can't know if these things are actually going to work for people or not.

We know about .0001% of how swaying works and it would have been miraculous if we'd gotten it perfect the first go.

I have been meaning to make a thread about this but maybe I'll just put it here since it seems to fit. Here is a brief overview of what we apparently were getting wrong. refer back to this http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/25157-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet.html

1)Length of time on diet - at first I wasn't sure if it was better to hit it hard on diet for a short time or do a more gentle approach for longer. Both seemed equally plausible. But I think the numbers indicate that longer on diet is def. better. And for those in really good condition it may be necessary to do diet for the full 90 days before even starting to TTC.

2)Probiotics and fiber - a lot of people were doing probiotics because they're advised on IG and said to lower pH. I kept them in the mix even tho I did know they were said to aid nutrient absorption, I doubted they were that effective, and we needed to prevent yeast infections because those used to be terrible on IG. I thought the fiber would mitigate any possible benefit from nutrients, but not everyone was doing the fiber with the probiotic (which I did not realize till too late). It turns out that the probiotic really appears to be swaying blue, it was the only thing with less than 50-50 success rate and while I don't believe in magic bullets, I can't come to any other conclusion than that probiotic + LE Diet sways fairly strongly blue, esp if you're not taking fiber.

Along the same lines, not a lot of people took fiber. Some people told me they didn't think it seemed very important which again i did not realize till too late. We got pretty great results with the fiber. I think the fiber is much more important than we realized.

3)exercise - 14 of 14 people doing extreme exercise got girls. We didn't know that and I never would have predicted it would be that effective. In fact I sort of discouraged people from doing exercise because I feared they'd lose too much weight.

4)One attempt - going in, while I ~thought~ that sperm numbers seemed to be swaying, that is just my personal theory and so I didn't give number of attempts as much weight. I also thought the jellies and antihistamine would mitigate the sperm numbers to some extent. So if people were in a hurry to get pg I encouraged them to do more than one attempt to get pg sooner (net result also less time on diet). This was obviously a mistake.

5)Starting off too strict and dropping things too fast - people were doing too strict a diet and stopping ovulation, so they had to end up gianing weight in order to ovulate. and/or when they did not get pg in a timely manner, several people gave up numerous sway tactics all at once and inadvertently swayed blue.

6)Clomid and soy also seem to be yielding good results but I think it's 100% totally possible to have a great sway without either.

Those are the reasons I think we had as many opposites as we did. We know these things now and so going forward into the future we can build on what we know.

I think some good sway tactics got kind of "badmouthed" because we were making those mistakes - it doesn't matter if vitex and SP are great for swaying, if a person is also doing stuff that sways blue it can overall make the V and SP look less effective. You can see this clearly illustrated in reverse with the 67/68% success rate of Old Wives Tales and the chinese gender predicting calendar - we KNOW those things don't sway, they're just piggybacking on the backs of things that do sway. The opposite is also true, if some of our tactics made swaying overall less effective, it can make things that DO work look worse for the wear.

[Serendipity]

Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm swaying like a demon here, as I'm willing to put faith in the system if only for peace of mind that I did everything within my power to bring me the chance of my daughter. That's my main aim- no regrets at the end of my childbearing years, and with only one shot left at this, if I take it, I want to make it the best shot I can possibly give, which is why I'm here. I already feel much more in control of my GD due to having a little hope and a plan of action. I know everyone here is a member for the same reasons and I'm grateful we're able to discuss outcomes freely, which ultimately I hope means that results available will be a true reflection.

Thanks again to everyone involved in compiling stats.

[mummypink]

It is so difficult to know what to do to sway properly as obviously nobody really knows, we can just go back what seems to make a slight difference. It would take one massive study to actually find out for definite if swaying works as there are so many different factors coming into play. Whether it is lifestyle, environment, or just literally the odds after having so many of one gender that eventually you will get an opposite.

I think the main thing to remember is there is no guarantee, and even with swaying you can maybe only increase your odds of a particular gender by a few percentage.

For me when I was ttc this time I didn't quite realise how much I had convinced myself I had a good chance of getting a girl. Everything I read suggested that having 3 children gave you far higher odds of mixed gender, so that coupled with the fact I was doing everything I could sway wise had me pretty convinced I had a high chance of having a girl. I suppose as well because I have no family history of one specific gender I found it incredibly hard to get my head around it when I was told I was expecting our third boy.

I'm not sure if we will try again in the future, my hubby has always wanted 4 children so I am lucky in that respect but I'm not sure I could do this again. And even if I did I'm really not sure where I would start! In my due date group we had a high number of failed sways, and a fair number who got their desired gender weren't particularly swaying. So part of me thinks if we do have another maybe I should leave it to fate to decide. You're kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't though as I know I would kick myself either way if I was to have another and it was a 4th boy.

I'm praying that when I have our new little man in a few weeks that my family will feel complete and my longing for a daughter will magically vanish.

Good luck to everyone ttc though, whatever we think about swaying I'm very grateful to Atomic for putting all the information together so we can make an informed decision. xx

[nuthinbutpink]

Great discussion. The more we go through everything, the more we can try to change. We all have the same goal.

[meeks32]

I really think the swaying statistics spreadsheet is more accurate than a random group of 40 from 2 due date groups, especially as those groups were ones that were 'swaying blind' almost, because atomic and this site was still getting things together and trailing what worked coupled with what the research suggested 'should' work. Now we have more to go on, and in a year or two we will have more again. That spreadsheet is a larger more objective sample and I have found the data to be quite accurate and clear.

I do agree that stats only go so far right now because until we can get to 500 or 1000 sways in there, it's hard to decipher the real stats from the 'piggy back stats' (think ions or Chinese gender cal).

I wholeheartedly believe I had 99.99% chance of conceiving a third boy if I had not found this site, I don't know yet what I'll have as we are still trying, but the sheer number of things I was naturally doing that swayed boy was astounding. I read through the 'how we had our boys' thread VERY sceptically as it was my first contact with this site after the general info. Very quickly my mouth dropped open as I read and saw SO many things I did, ate and chose day to day were boy things. Then, still skeptical, I thought no way must be a coincidence and read through the 'how we made girls by girl mums' thread... Silence. I read. I scrolled. I read more. No, nothing in there sounded normal to me. Not. One. Thing. I would never ever have done or taken the things they did and by this time my head was spinning. I couldn't believe I had my answer.

I have combed the stats and swayed my heart out and you know what? I will probably still have a boy, BUT this time I will know I did everything I could. If I bring my stats down from 99.99% chance of a boy (remember my natural boy lifestyle) to 50/50 that's great. But right now the spreadsheet shows just over 66% success for TTC girl, so that's a HUGE difference from where I believe I would have been. It's also much better than other studies as someone else mentioned, and less than the lying sites that promise miracles, but I'll take my chances with a site run almost completely for free (yes you can access almost everything for free, and what you can't will only cost $12, not $500 like many other sites) run by a mum that has a vested interest and actually put her theories into action herself.

There is definitely further we can go with all this, perhaps incorporating more data on dh, perhaps including more trial and error for us, but I truly think doing something is better than nothing. You can't do the same thing again and again and expect a different result.

Also, I realise this probably sounds very defensive but I would like the true data to be represented for anyone that stumbles on this thread in future. I am also happy to question things and for you to, and I think that helps us nut out our swaying in our own head, and surely helps others too. Just wanted to explain my thoughts on it all as well.

Good luck everyone, remember, luck still plays a role, no matter how much we wish it didn't!!