What's the reason for early ovulation and does it sway girl or boy?

[belledandy]

So this is my second cycle that I was planning to do a cut off but I've been tricked yet again by my body. For my first cycle, I ovulated 4 days earlier (CD 16) than I usually do, which was CD 20, and so this month, I had planned to DTD even earlier for at least a 2 day cutoff, but when I checked with my clear blue fertility monitor (and the stick that goes with it), it had almost a double line (meaning O was impending) and it is only CD14! Planning to test with the LH strips in the evening before thinking of DTD which might mean it's right before or on O day... My ovulation is again making a surprise early appearance and I'm not sure what to do now.

Why would swaying pink make me ovulate earlier and earlier? Is it the supplements? I'm taking baby aspirin 2-3 times a week, folic acid, saw palmetto and drinking peppermint tea and following the LE diet modestly now, watching my salt and potassium and skipping breakfast.

My final question is, would an early ovulation be good for swaying pink (or just swaying either way in general?)

TIA!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

First of all, you're not ovulating early, you were ovulating late before.

I believe that WHENEVER your cycle changes from what it was when you conceived your boys, that's all good for your sway.

Late ovulation past CD 16 is caused by high testosterone, and so my suspicion is that your T levels are dropping and you are now ovulating normally. diet and supps lower testosterone.

Please don't do both pep tea and saw palmetto, they can interfere with each other. one or the other.

[belledandy]

Ah, thanks again for your response Atomic. I always suspected I had high testosterone levels. My mother always said I was a very muscular and active baby and I have always had good muscle mass (and fast metabolism).

So it is then a good sign that I'm ovulating earlier than I used to, that the supplements and diet are working. Would it be ok to alternate the tea and saw palmetto one day and drinking peppermint tea the other day?? I didn't want to go full on with saw palmetto.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, I think it's a good sign. Very.

I think you need to do either/or pep tea or saw palmetto, not both. they mess with the way the other works, so doing one one day and one the other, isn't going to work, they'll still be in your system. It would be better to do SP alone every other day or just pep tea.

[sbowman]

Hope you don't mind me butting in, I'm curious now. So having really long, irregular cycles is a sign of high T levels? :(

[belledandy]

You are like a fountain of knowledge Atomic! I learn so much from your thoughtful and helpful responses.

[Dreamofpink]

Hope you don't mind me butting in, I'm curious now. So having really long, irregular cycles is a sign of high T levels? :(

I've always had late-ish irregular cycles & ov'd between cd15-19. However, after being on the le diet for a few months ov started to get later & later each month. I lost a lot of weight and Atomic explained that it was this plus a lower than ideal intake of fat that caused it not T levels. I don't know though if eating a pre-le diet, not swaying & having an irregular cycle means high T levels. Perhaps. BUT you can do something about those levels with the le diet. :D

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[Lown]

Hi, just another thought and I have no evidence to support this but maybe having sperm in the reproductive tract is 'sensed' by the body and helps speed up ovulation.

[Dreamofpink]

Hi, just another thought and I have no evidence to support this but maybe having sperm in the reproductive tract is 'sensed' by the body and helps speed up ovulation.

I have read that an orgasm can induce ov but can't remember where I read it or how accurate that is. I guess you'd have to be close to ov anyway.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Hope you don't mind me butting in, I'm curious now. So having really long, irregular cycles is a sign of high T levels? :(

There are TWO causes of long, irregular cycles. One is higher than normal T (tendency towards PCOS), your body makes testosterone and that interferes with the estrogen needed to produce a surge. This cause of long cycles can sway blue, and so when people start swaying, they can sometimes see long cycles normalize and this is just fine and a good sign.

The second cause of long, irregular cycles is when you are not getting enough resources (particularly cals, fat, and fat soluble vitamins) to make estrogen with and so your body doesn't "want" to surge and so ovulation is delayed. This sways pink, and when people who had a normal cycle, start swaying, and see their cycle lenghten, this is what's going on and it is ALSO a good sign when it happens (albeit very frustrating)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi, just another thought and I have no evidence to support this but maybe having sperm in the reproductive tract is 'sensed' by the body and helps speed up ovulation.

There are some animals in which this happens, but it's not believed to occur in humans (still, ya never know.)

[atomic sagebrush]

I have read that an orgasm can induce ov but can't remember where I read it or how accurate that is. I guess you'd have to be close to ov anyway.

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That one is probably an OWT. :)

[oxox2013]

Oh man. Now I am freaked out! The month I conceived I Oed later than usual. On CD 17.... Possibly 16. Got my pos. OPK on the morning on CD 16. Dang!! I dont feel like I was overly stressed or anything. Still a good chance that this is a girl? I know you guys cant tell me for sure, but any reassurance would be awesome!!

[ICB3]

I wouldn't worry one way or the other. I always ov'd late--between days 17-22-and the month I conceived this baby was the earliest ever-- at day 14--and it's a boy.

[oxox2013]

Thanks! That makes me feel a little better :)

[Cinss]

We got our son on an early O, infact 10 days early, No idea why.

[atomic sagebrush]

oxox for some reason I can't quote right now but answering your post:

Did you read the part about there being more than one reason for late ovulation??

If your cycle is regularly normal and gets longer on LE Diet, that indicates you are more pink friendly.

[atomic sagebrush]

I wouldn't worry one way or the other. I always ov'd late--between days 17-22-and the month I conceived this baby was the earliest ever-- at day 14--and it's a boy.

If you usually O late because of low estrogen and then your estrogen goes up, you can O sooner and still have swayed blue.

[oxox2013]

Atomic,

I did see that, but I must have read it wrong!! Thank you so much for answering my question!

[atomic sagebrush]

LOL that sounded a little bit snippy, I'm sorry!! I just meant to redirect your attention there, not to go all "read the faq" on ya! ;)

[oxox2013]

No worries! I can only imagine how busy you must be responding to peoples questions all the time... I didnt take it the least bit snippy :)

[Lown]

This is getting complicated but out of curiosity what if you had a normal follicular phase and then it shortened from 14 days to 9 days, I had read it was a sign Of high FSH, being an elderly mother I freaked out!! Could it have been the SP or LE diet. Your knowledge of these hormones interaction is amazing and I am always learning new things

[atomic sagebrush]

I personally believe that whenever your cycle gets different, it's a ~possible~ sign that you ~may~ be more likely to conceive a baby of the opposite gender from what you have before.

Nobody really knows why early ovulation happens. It does get more common as you get older because the delicate feedback process between hormones and eggs gets screwed up; you have fewer eggs to send a signal to your body about when to trigger ovulation, and your body gets a little "deafer" to the signal. so it's like trying to talk to a person with a hearing aid who is simultaneously turning the hearing aid up as you are raising your voice - it can happen that you inadvertently shout right after they've turned up the volume and it hurts their ear!! So with your egg, nothing, nothing, nothing, and then AAAA TOO MUCH and this can make an egg pop a little sooner than it might otherwise. But you CAN get pg even with high FSH.

The month I conceived my daughter I was 41 1/2 years old and I did indeed ov. a few days before I expected to. It doesn't mean that even if this is happening due to higher than average FSH, that you can't get pg.

[The Anchor]

LOL that sounded a little bit snippy, I'm sorry!! I just meant to redirect your attention there, not to go all "read the faq" on ya! ;)

:rofl: Oh I remember those words so well! I had myself convinced that T had just reprogrammed her keyboard so that rather than characters every key stroke would spit out "read the FAQ".

AND wanted to add that I O'd 8 days early when I conceived my son...right out of the blue, had never O'd that early before in my life (although I was on some weird IG supps).

[myrainbowgirl]

Atomic...so I've always O'd late due to PCOS. But, when my T levels have been checked, they were always normal. HOWEVER, due to symptoms such as acne and SOME (although not much) unwanted hair (big toe, one on my chin), I'm pretty sure my T levels are on the high side. (Not to mention I have 3 boys.) So, since starting the LE diet, I've been doing pep tea...although not necessarily 3 cups/day. I would say 5 days a week I do that much. I'm close to being done BF DS3...do you think SP would work better at lowering T? Or is the pep tea (done daily) just as effective? Any other things I can do (besides LE diet) that will lower T?

[atomic sagebrush]

Actually I'm not crazy about you drinking pep tea while BF either.

I think the saw palmetto is better for lowering testosterone than pep tea is. Now the question is, does that mean it's better for swaying?? And we simply do not have enough info to know.

The scary thing is that we don't even KNOW that T is swaying (well, it's not scary like spiders or vampires LOL). We guess that, but it may be something else entirely. So try not to get too locked into the T thing - I'd hate to see you give up BF to take SP if you and DS are enjoying it - they're little for such a short time.

Hair on toes is 100% due to genetics. The acne and chin hair can be T related but again, we just know so little about this.

Diet and fiber are good noninvasive ways to lower T levels. Overexercise is another way.

Is there any way you can get Clomid?? Sometimes people with PCOS can get it more easily.

[myrainbowgirl]

Hmm...what to do, what to do. :) Yeah, I know plenty of people who have chin hair and have girls. Lol! The fact that I've always tested normal doesn't make me worry too much about T, but I just thought any little thing may help. Yeah, I don't think I will force DS3 to stop BF, but I feel like my supply is dropping and it might be getting close to time...just thought I'd see if I should switch over to SP when that happens.

I obviously can't overexercise, so I guess diet and fiber will have to be the major way I reduce T. The frustrating thing is that I am STILL losing. I don't know what's up. I had stalled out at 117.8, but over the past week, it's dropped to 116.4 (I'm 5'7".) I am not watching fat all that much, mainly protein and sugar. I'm slightly concerned that my thyroid could be acting up...but when I got it checked about 6 weeks ago, it was perfect. I don't really have any other symptoms other than weight loss, which obviously can also be attributed to diet. Sooo...guessing I need more cals. Should I up protein a little? For the most part I stay between 40-60 g/day. Sorry to hijack this thread with a personal, different question!

All I can say is that you are awesome!! Such a wealth of knowledge, and just so incredibly helpful. So, THANK YOU!!

[atomic sagebrush]

If you're between 40-60 g I think that's ideal and I would not have you increase beyond that. Protein is not the greatest for adding weight anyway. I think you need to up cals and while I do know you have PCOS and are watching sugar becasue of that, you may simply have lost enough weight and improved your insulin response to such an extent that you can increase carb intake. I would have you do more fruits and higher carb veg like corn or potatoes or yams.

[belledandy]

Wow, this turned out to be a pretty long thread. Very glad because I am learning a lot. Thanks Atomic and other ladies for asking very good q's!

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree and I'm going to add it to the Complete Index.

[myrainbowgirl]

Just reread this and realized you asked if I could get Clomid. Yes, I'm pretty sure I could. BUT, I am nervous about Clomid & twins. I think it carries a 10% chance of twins? But wouldn't the risk be higher for someone my age (36)?

Thought I was gonna O last week, but it didn't happen. I got lots of EWCM (although not quite the same quality as before LE diet. TMI...instead of clear, it is more streaked and opaque, not quite as stretchy). Seems like I might be gearing up to O again...starting to get EWCM again (again not the same quality). This makes me nervous, because I know EWCM sways blue. You know my issues with diet...can't really go any stricter. Will taking Zyrtec really work well to dry up EWCM? Only planning on one attempt, at pos OPK, so is taking a Zyrtec 6 hrs before attempt the best I can do?

As far as Clomid goes, I conceived DS1 on Clomid, and I never had EWCM that cycle. BUT, I used pre-seed & robitussin.

Do I have legitimate reason to be nervous about Clomid (not just the twin issue, but also autism, cancer risk, etc.)? Or is Zyrtec just as effective? I'd much rather do that if so.

Advice/thoughts?

[myurkanin817]

I have a question about ovulating.. Was wondering since I seem to be ovulating fairly regular (I think lol) cd 13 or 14... Would that mean my testosterone levels are fairly normal or what? Cause I saw atomic said late ovulation is caused by high testosterone.. Thanks Atomic. And anyone else who can help. :hug2:

[rainbowflower]

there was actually a study that showed that LATE ovulation sways pink

[rainbowflower]

I don't think it's all to do with T levels causing late OV, it can be caused by hormone imbalance in general (or stress, or poor nutrition/weight loss)

the hormones are all interlinked

[Dana-Alicia]

I wonder if the opposite, short cycles, would sway pink? I have cycles between 22 and 28 days, with an average of 25. 28 is rare, but happens twice a year. 22 happens more often, but mostly is 24-25 days. But 22 is short, right? I ovulate on day 8 sometimes, just out of my period.

[atomic sagebrush]

I have a question about ovulating.. Was wondering since I seem to be ovulating fairly regular (I think lol) cd 13 or 14... Would that mean my testosterone levels are fairly normal or what? Cause I saw atomic said late ovulation is caused by high testosterone.. Thanks Atomic. And anyone else who can help. :hug2:

I believe that normal ovulation may be more blue-friendly because it indicates you ahve a good level of hormones functioning as they should be.

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't think it's all to do with T levels causing late OV, it can be caused by hormone imbalance in general (or stress, or poor nutrition/weight loss)

the hormones are all interlinked

There are two reasons why people have longer than normal cycles.

1)PCOS related where they have higher than normal T levels (would sway blue)

2)Hypothalamic amenorrhea where you have lost weight, been under stress, exercising too much and your body lengthens cycles as a type of primitive birth control method and this sways pink. In fact I believe this is WHAT sways pink.

[rainbowflower]

There are two reasons why people have longer than normal cycles.

1)PCOS related where they have higher than normal T levels (would sway blue)

2)Hypothalamic amenorrhea where you have lost weight, been under stress, exercising too much and your body lengthens cycles as a type of primitive birth control method and this sways pink. In fact I believe this is WHAT sways pink.
I don't disagree with PCOS = high T levels, but the T levels are the side effect of the PCOS not the cause of the struggle to ovulate (thus delaying it). I've actually been researching this lately as my doctor is thinking about testing me for PCOS (she thinks I have it). This one's worth a read: Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-part-two.aspx)

[atomic sagebrush]

I wonder if the opposite, short cycles, would sway pink? I have cycles between 22 and 28 days, with an average of 25. 28 is rare, but happens twice a year. 22 happens more often, but mostly is 24-25 days. But 22 is short, right? I ovulate on day 8 sometimes, just out of my period.

That is considered within normal range, but on the shorter side of normal. How sure are you that you are ovulating those months?? Could they be anovulatory?

Conventional swaying wisdom claims that short cycles may sway blue because your body has so much estrogen that it makes you to surge sooner. I'm not convinced of this and am not aware of any data to support it. I believe that both short and long cycles (when they are unusual for you) may indicate you're more pink friendly by indicating your fertility is not quite "right".

Short cycles may even be associated with LOWER estrogen, if you have the semiregular anovulatory, supershort cycle where you do not ovulate, and then in other months where yoru cycle is more normal length you do ovulate. (sorry this is a bit hard to explain, let me know if you need me to explain further)

[Dana-Alicia]

I never considered I might not be ovulating on those short cycles hmmm. I assumed I always, as I do get loads of EWCM and the urge to DTD a LOT ;) I never used tests to see if or when I'm ovulating, my body kind of always let me know. But I can not be sure I really did ovulate last month... How can I find out if I have too much or too little estrogen? I find this very interesting and would like to learn more about this so if you can redirect me somewhere to read that would be great! :D

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't disagree with PCOS = high T levels, but the T levels are the side effect of the PCOS not the cause of the struggle to ovulate (thus delaying it). I've actually been researching this lately as my doctor is thinking about testing me for PCOS (she thinks I have it). This one's worth a read: Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/polycystic-ovary-syndrome-part-two.aspx)

I'm not sure that anyone really knows why or how PCOS works. Sorry if my response was confusing, I try to keep things somewhat on the brief side both for people's understanding level and also to save time.

[atomic sagebrush]

I never considered I might not be ovulating on those short cycles hmmm. I assumed I always, as I do get loads of EWCM and the urge to DTD a LOT ;) I never used tests to see if or when I'm ovulating, my body kind of always let me know. But I can not be sure I really did ovulate last month... How can I find out if I have too much or too little estrogen? I find this very interesting and would like to learn more about this so if you can redirect me somewhere to read that would be great! :D

You can have a false ovulation in an anovulatory cycle, so it seems like you ovulated but your body decided not to, and then at some point your estrogen drops and your lining comes off. It's not a real AF and is called "breakthrough bleeding", but it looks like AF and acts like one too, because your cycle begins anew after that.

You can't know if you have "too much or too little" estrogen. No one knows what that even means really and certianly not for gender ratio. The numbers are meaningless because they would vary drastically by individual anyway, it's what your body does as a result of that estrogen that matters.

When you go for your pretesting for HT I would be sure to mention that some months you have very short cycles because they need to know that type of stuff. Even if they kinda blow it off, it's good to mention it

[Dana-Alicia]

Thanks for explaining, it's very interesting. I will mention it when I go for my pre-testing and decided to try and track my cycles and maybe do some opk-tests do learn more about it.

[yogi&booboo]

Hello atomic sagebrush,

I just recently joined and I have been trying to read as much as I can before doing my first sway attempt. However, I don't know if my nerves are kicking in but I have been doing the the boy diet hardcore :superhero:. However these past two months I pinpointed my "o" day to be on the 16th day. Today is CD# 15 for me and I have only tacky and watery cm. I believe on CD#13 i took a clearblue advanced digital test and got a smiley in the evening, of course I did not read the instructions carefully so I was not able to re-test until 48 hours have elapsed. My CM at that time was still tacky, not even close to watery and this is why I cannot comprehend why my bbt, cm is not matching up. I am a opk fanatic so I have a few different types of opks. I also have pregnancytests.com opk's and those have been negative. My biggest purchase is the clearblue fertility monitor and this has not detected my surge, nor has my CM been close to EWCM and my BBT is still in the lows.
My questions to you are, is it possible that my ovulation went out of whack now that I am on this extreme boy diet?

Can my excitement and nervousness throw my "o" out of whack and cause me to "o" late or not at all?

Is it possible that I do not get a positive opk now that my eating habits have changed?

If I do get a positive OPK, do you suggest I bd on my second peak or first peak day of opk. From my last bbt, cm and opk chartings, my cm has changed back to creamy late in the evening on peak day two and my bbt has risen the following day after the 2nd peak day?

sorry, my hubby and I havent dtd or bd until my suspected ovulation, because of health issues, but he is extremely concerned that I will miss my "o"day and does not want to make room for error. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!:nails::bowdown:

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi again Mayra,

it's def. possible and not even particularly unusual that O may get a bit kooky while on HE Diet. I am not a huge fan of CBFM for exactly that reason and actually prefer the cheapies. My recommendation would be to DTD every 2-3 days to cover bases and then in addition, continue testing and be prepared to have another couple attempts at or just after pos OPK.

excitement and nervousness can def. delay O and as I mentioned in your other thread, I would not be concerned at all being on CD 16 and not surging yet. That is not even out range of normal.

You WILL get a pos OPK, it just may be delayed. If you are taking EPO, green tea, fertile CM, or L-arginine, those need to go now.

We have been getting 75% success for PINK with one attempt. I strongly recommend 3 attempts at or around pos OPK (one day before Ov thru O day) for best odds of blue.

If hubby has not released for your whole cycle, that is a pink sway tactic. I advise having him relelase however often he is able to even if it's less often than every 2-4 days, to keep fresh sperm moving thru and always ensure a nice supply of healthy sperm - this seems to sway blue. Even if he can only manage it every 6-7 days, that will still be much better for blue than a very long abstain.

[yogi&booboo]

I cant thank you enough atomic for all of your detailed responses. Ill make sure to make a note and start some immediate changes. Im hopeful that this will do the trick. 😉💝

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[myurkanin817]

Atomic I thought FR was a pink sway tactic? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you!



Hi again Mayra,

it's def. possible and not even particularly unusual that O may get a bit kooky while on HE Diet. I am not a huge fan of CBFM for exactly that reason and actually prefer the cheapies. My recommendation would be to DTD every 2-3 days to cover bases and then in addition, continue testing and be prepared to have another couple attempts at or just after pos OPK.

excitement and nervousness can def. delay O and as I mentioned in your other thread, I would not be concerned at all being on CD 16 and not surging yet. That is not even out range of normal.

You WILL get a pos OPK, it just may be delayed. If you are taking EPO, green tea, fertile CM, or L-arginine, those need to go now.

We have been getting 75% success for PINK with one attempt. I strongly recommend 3 attempts at or around pos OPK (one day before Ov thru O day) for best odds of blue.

If hubby has not released for your whole cycle, that is a pink sway tactic. I advise having him relelase however often he is able to, to keep fresh sperm moving thru and always ensure a nice supply of healthy sperm - this seems to sway blue.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic I thought FR was a pink sway tactic? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you!

I'm sorry I really have no clue what you're talking about here. :nails: I see a couple possibilities but please let me know if I guessed wrong.

Yes, FR is a pink sway tactic but having 3 attempts in a row in the fertile window, is NOT FR. for FR to sway pink, you have to have 7-10 releases (or attempts if you are doing FBD) before the earliest attempt that could possible get you pregnant.

Or, I am assuming that you read "have him release however often he is able to" but that poster was a BLUE swayer whose husband couldn't release as often as every 2-4 days (my standard recommendation for blue.) because he has some health issues. I certainly don't want her having him do a long long abstain, so my point was that whenever he is physically able to release (which for HIM would be maybe every 5-6 days) then that is what he should do instead of having a long abstain. He wouldn't be able to release more often than that so no possiblity of him accidentally doing FR, if that makes any sense??

[yogi&booboo]

Hello,

Here is a picture of my OPKs. Please excuse my neatness, I grabbed a plain cardboard and double sided sticky tape and just started sticking away. Here is my CBFM that coincides with my cheap opks. Mind you that CBFM showed peak the day following my first positive with Cheap opks. :)

Wish me luck!16297

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck Mayra!!!

[yogi&booboo]

Thank you atomic ;)😂

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[myurkanin817]

Thank you atomic!! :running:


I'm sorry I really have no clue what you're talking about here. :nails: I see a couple possibilities but please let me know if I guessed wrong.

Yes, FR is a pink sway tactic but having 3 attempts in a row in the fertile window, is NOT FR. for FR to sway pink, you have to have 7-10 releases (or attempts if you are doing FBD) before the earliest attempt that could possible get you pregnant.

Or, I am assuming that you read "have him release however often he is able to" but that poster was a BLUE swayer whose husband couldn't release as often as every 2-4 days (my standard recommendation for blue.) because he has some health issues. I certainly don't want her having him do a long long abstain, so my point was that whenever he is physically able to release (which for HIM would be maybe every 5-6 days) then that is what he should do instead of having a long abstain. He wouldn't be able to release more often than that so no possiblity of him accidentally doing FR, if that makes any sense??

[unwirklich]

Gonna thread steal here, because I have the same question but different circumstances.

I typically O CD 14-15, last cycle I O on CD 9 then had an extra long LP of 21 days (usually I am 10-13 days). This cycle my temp has already hit it's pre-O pattern (yeah I am lucky enough every month I see the same two flat, drop, two flat, up, down, O pattern), I'm seeing watery borderline eggwhite CM, and my OPK is almost positive...CD 8 :worry: I should O within the next day or two giving me two months of rather early ovulation. I considered it is a result of my miscarriage in Nov, This is cycle 3 after my loss. I O'ed late on the first cycle at CD 20, the second was the first early at CD 9.

Anyway long blabber short, what could cause this and how do I fix it? (I've read studies that a short follicular phase decreases viability greatly.) We don't plan to TTC until March since that's my next projected O on a new moon and gives me 8 weeks+ on the LE diet.

I'm already taking vitex because I wanted to lengthen my LP.

ETA: I just turned 28 in Dec., so I doubt it is an egg reserve issue.

[unwirklich]

I feel dumb. I was reading some other threads on early O on here, and lots of ladies seemed to be having issues with vitex and O before CD 10. It dawns on me that I upped my dose of vitex last cycle. I had been taking 400 mg which is half the recommended dose on my bottle, and upped it to a full dose. I'd bet that's why I'm O'ing early now. I'm going to drop back down to a half dose and see what happens. Or should I wait until next month? I'm gathering (correct me if I'm wrong) that having a little imbalance is good for a pink sway? So changing the dosage back closer to when we plan to TTC may be better?

[atomic sagebrush]

If your LP was 21 days long, I doubt you ovulated on CD 9. (unless you were pregnant and had a chemical) Temping can sometimes be a little misleading. That having been said, it's not uncommon to have oddball cycles after a loss, esp. when taking vitex as well.

I just read on the other thread that you got a pos OPK on CD 11 this month, that would put you in with O on CD 12 or even 13, and that is perfectly normal. Please do not worry or stress about decreased viability at all, that's not an issue for you at the age of 28.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes we do think that having the cycle be a little bit "off" may help to sway pink, but this is one of those crystal ball questions where I really don't have the data to be able to say which is better. Sorry, I wish I did!!

[Flowergirl]

Just had a read of this interesting thread and now I'm really not sure where I'm at!!

This is what my cycles have looked like since weaning DS #2 (when he was two years of age. I mention this because my body was pretty depleted).

Cycle one - (not swaying) 28 days
Cycle two - (not swaying) 38 days
Cycle three - (started LE & vitex) 29 days
Cycle four - (LE, vitex, SP) 28 days
Cycle five - (LE, vitex, SP) up to day 39 & still no AF

What do you think is happening there? I had a long cycle before starting my sway and it looks like I've gone full circle and back at square one?

I should mention that when I conceived DS #1 I had a 35 day cycle after coming off BCP then fell preg and with DS #2 I had a 44 day cycle after weaning DS #1 from breastfeeding and fell preg. I did have a burst cyst when DS #2 was 6 months old so maybe I'm a little prone to PCOS?

I'm so confused as to why my cycles normalised for a bit whilst swaying and now this one is never-ending? Any thoughts Atomic?

Thank you! x

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, we all have long cycles sometimes for no real reason so while I suspect that this latest cycle is prob. long due to Vitex, SP, and LE Diet, it may have just been one of those things where stopping breastfeeding and it takes some time for things to get back into regularity again.

A burst cyst when breastfeeding doesn't mean you have PCO-tendencies, that's not abnormal.

[Flowergirl]

Thank you Atomic, that's reassuring to hear re: the burst cyst.

Fingers are crossed the long cycle happening now is a good sign the LE diet and supps have done their thing and my body is girl ready (as soon as I ov! lol) I'm going to try and keep positive. x

[hopper]

What an interesting thread!!! I had a 31day cycle before ttc both my boys, it was 31 days like clockwork. EXCEPT the cycles I conceived the boys. On DS1 I got my AF while on honeymoon and after that it was CD20 when I got +opk. Bear in mind I had never done OPKs before that so think that I was stressing waiting to O and that may have delayed it. DS2 was similar. Got AF right before (like 2 days) we flew to Florida and it was around CD20-21 I got +opk. I had done opks before that and think the stress of waiting to O might cause a delay. And plus we were travelling both occasions, can travel (esp long flights) sway or affect our bodies enough to affect our sway? Since DS2 my cycle has been as short as 25 days and as long as 35 days but my LP is consistently 13 days so all good there. Just wondering does the iffy cycle make me more girl friendly...

[atomic sagebrush]

That is a pretty normal range hopper. It's not unusual to have cycles that are like that.

I can't tell you if your irregular cycle makes you more girl friendly, since it's always irregular and you got boys with it before.

[hopper]

That is a pretty normal range hopper. It's not unusual to have cycles that are like that.

I can't tell you if your irregular cycle makes you more girl friendly, since it's always irregular and you got boys with it before.

Thanks for the reply Atomic. Sorry for the Crystal ball-ish-ness of my question. The main thing that confuses me about my cycle is that it was regular every month EXCEPT the months I conceived my boys whereas now it's a few days either side of 30 every month. I won't get caught up in it anyway, was just curious. Diet, exercise, one attempt! Those 4 little words are the key ;)

[Mama2many]

I ovulated a few days earlier with both girls (cd 14 and 15) when typically it was cd 17-20.