3 types of diet? What is the best for ttc a girl?

[jude17]

As far as I can tell there appears to be 3 types of diets, the French gender, the In-gender diet and the one mentioned on here at http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?761-diet-suggestions-for-TTC-Pink.

The French and In-gender diet seem to allow you to get more of a variety of foods i.e. in-gender includes meats, fish, eggs etc in limited amount. For the Tier one foods it says you can eat as much as you want whenever you want? Does this mean that this diet doesn't restrict the amount of food you can eat and thus not making you as hungry as the diet suggested on this site (http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?761-diet-suggestions-for-TTC-Pink). The diet suggested on this site seems to be the one with the most limited food choices and the one where you are making yourself the most hungry. I was thinking for this diet to skip breakfast when I can (if I have morning meetings at work though I will need to eat breakfast otherwise my tummy will make the loudest noises from not having any food and that would really stress me out!) and sticking to fruits (apples, pears, strawberries, raspberries etc), low fat and low salt foods such as yoghurt, milk, cottage cheese, crackers, pasta, rice, cucumbers, low salt butter, low salt bread (if I buy a bread maker) cranberry juice, peppermint tea. I won't be having any meat. I thought I could give the diet a try and see how I get on, but it really sounds hard to follow.

So my question is do you think that this very restrictive diet has a much higher suggest rate for getting a girl than the French and In-gender diets? If the answer is yes then I will give it my best go but if it has a similar success rate than the other diets maybe it would be ok to do one of these with more food options? But are these two diets also meant to be 'starvation' type diets as well i.e. you can eat a greater range of foods but should you still be eating a lot less than you normally would in order to keep yourself a bit hungry? I am not sure but I think I have high testosterone so I will be trying to lower this by taking saw palmetto as well as a no meat diet.

[purplepoet20]

I do not know for sure which one is best but everyone I have talked to that has all girls say they were crash dieting or just eating very little... All skipped breakfast and only ate 2 meals and 1 snack, all were big on eating fat-free yogurt before bed, almost all drank diet soda, and most of them ate very little if no protein.

I am going to do as much of a crash diet as possible but I do have to get the min of protein and a few other things since I am still nursing.

[jude17]

Its very interesting. I have two friends who are both due to have girls soon. One is on a very restrictive salt diet due to kidney disease and the other is very weight orientated and therefore eats very little. I am thinking the low food diet sounds the best but am wondering about what foods you can eat i.e. a lot of people seems to drink diet soda and have girls?

[nuthinbutpink]

I think that if you look at the actual human data that is available the ratios of sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium are the biggest factors that have been researched and shown to affect gender. The Dutch study on here and the French Gender diet on here support that fact. What IG and Atomic have done is take that research to the next level and incorporate other things that we *believe* may influence gender as well and incorporate those into the diet. Now, it is difficult to say which is "best" because we simply do not have the data to support that. What I can tell you is that both the Dutch study and the FG diet study show an 80% success rate when just focusing on the mineral ratios. FG had 3 studies with over 400 people and 80% success rate. The Dutch study was in the low 100's(patients) and near 80% success and I am sure she was following the FG diet with her clients after reading it. Do the other factors- pH, testosterone, alkaline vs. acidic make even more difference? I do not know the answer to that and neither does anyone else. None of those have been studied in humans like the minerals have.

So, no matter what else you do, it is IMPERATIVE that you follow a low sodium diet for a girl and keep your calcium and magnesium intake much higher than sodium and potassium. If you do not do that, you are really not swaying your odds at all. HTH

[Indira]

Thanks NBP, this answer really helps to see the overall picture of swaying!

I´d like to add a question to this: Is the only reason we lower our blood sugar so that male beans won´t stick?
That´s what I read on IG and I´m not so sure I want to avoid a male embryo to implant if that´s what I´m supposed to have.
Or has lowering blood sugar been proven to favour female conception?

[nuthinbutpink]

Thanks NBP, this answer really helps to see the overall picture of swaying!

I´d like to add a question to this: Is the only reason we lower our blood sugar so that male beans won´t stick?
That´s what I read on IG and I´m not so sure I want to avoid a male embryo to implant if that´s what I´m supposed to have.
Or has lowering blood sugar been proven to favour female conception?

The blood-sugar thing comes from a study done on mice. It just talks about conception not necessarily making a male not stick. I would not worry about that.

Here's an excerpt from the article.

Diet may influence the sex of your baby
A mother’s diet in the run-up to conception could influence the sex of her child, suggests a study in mice. The research shows that mice given drugs to lower their blood-sugar levels produced significantly more female than male pups.

The findings lend credence to traditional beliefs that eating certain foods can influence the sex of offspring.

The conventional wisdom is that the father’s sperm is the main determinant of the sex of a child. But increasingly scientists have found hints that maternal factors might have an influence too. For example, earlier work has suggested that single mothers are more likely to give birth to daughters.


Elissa Cameron at the University of Pretoria in South Africa and her colleagues wanted to study how changes in diet might influence sex ratios – the proportion of males to females in a population.

To do this, they altered the levels of blood-sugar in female mice during conception, by feeding the mice a steroid called dexamethasone (DEX), which inhibits the transport of glucose into the blood******.

[purplepoet20]

I think natural type sugars that raise the bodies sugar levels will either make the male sperm super hyper or it may slow and weaken the female sperm. Female sperm seems to do better in the DW's body filled with fake/chemical sugars... men who work around chemicals are more likely to have all girls.

One interesting thing is boys tend to be more hyper then girls in the early years!

[atomic sagebrush]

As far as I can tell there appears to be 3 types of diets, the French gender, the In-gender diet and the one mentioned on here at http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?761-diet-suggestions-for-TTC-Pink.

The French and In-gender diet seem to allow you to get more of a variety of foods i.e. in-gender includes meats, fish, eggs etc in limited amount. For the Tier one foods it says you can eat as much as you want whenever you want? Does this mean that this diet doesn't restrict the amount of food you can eat and thus not making you as hungry as the diet suggested on this site (http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?761-diet-suggestions-for-TTC-Pink). The diet suggested on this site seems to be the one with the most limited food choices and the one where you are making yourself the most hungry. I was thinking for this diet to skip breakfast when I can (if I have morning meetings at work though I will need to eat breakfast otherwise my tummy will make the loudest noises from not having any food and that would really stress me out!) and sticking to fruits (apples, pears, strawberries, raspberries etc), low fat and low salt foods such as yoghurt, milk, cottage cheese, crackers, pasta, rice, cucumbers, low salt butter, low salt bread (if I buy a bread maker) cranberry juice, peppermint tea. I won't be having any meat. I thought I could give the diet a try and see how I get on, but it really sounds hard to follow.

So my question is do you think that this very restrictive diet has a much higher suggest rate for getting a girl than the French and In-gender diets? If the answer is yes then I will give it my best go but if it has a similar success rate than the other diets maybe it would be ok to do one of these with more food options? But are these two diets also meant to be 'starvation' type diets as well i.e. you can eat a greater range of foods but should you still be eating a lot less than you normally would in order to keep yourself a bit hungry? I am not sure but I think I have high testosterone so I will be trying to lower this by taking saw palmetto as well as a no meat diet.

Yes, I know it is coming off that way and that was not my intention. That post was an attempt to kind of combine the IG diet (which actually has the French Diet included in it) with the Low-Everything diet that I believe is best, and so it is MUCH stricter than I really believe is warranted. I'm going to rewrite it all for more clarity. That post was designed more for people who want to do EVERYTHING to sway and those people seem to be few and far between.

Personally I find the IG diet MUCH more restrictive than the "Low-Everything" diet and the French Diet is actually pretty restrictive too. The IG diet FAQ is not clear on this but you are NOT allowed to eat as much as you want of things. You are supposed to track your minerals on Fitday and not to ever exceed your alloted amount of minerals. Somewhere in the IG FAQ it says, "you can have as much as you want as long as you don't exceed your minerals for the day" and that does not add up to very much at all. Meat is limited to 150 g. Also, the IG diet cuts out any alkaline foods, testosterone-raising foods, etc. Most people find that they lose tons of weight on the IG diet.

The French Gender Diet limits your milk to 3/4 of a liter, your fruits/veg to 150g and your meat to 150 g. Yes, you can eat some fruits and veg that are not allowed on the IG diet. But you can not eat any processed foods or cheese. People also tend to eat a lot less cals because of all the things that are not allowed on the diet and also lose weight.

The Low Everything diet puts the emphasis on low calories, low protein, low fat, low sodium and low nutrient, with weight loss and lower blood sugar, rather than aiming for a particular mineral ratio and/or pH. Everyone is hung up on the nutrient idea (which is "my bad" for not expressing it clearly enough) and if you want to do absolutely EVERYTHING to sway then I do agree you should cut back on the very healthy vegies, but really, I feel that if you're eating a mostly vegan diet, the nutrients in fruits and veg are not terribly important. It's the megadoses of nutrients in vitamins that you must beware - you have to eat gobs of apples before you get anywhere near the levels of vitamins in pills.

I personally believe that all three diets sway in the exact same way, by cutting back on calories, protein, and fat first and foremost, and nutrients secondly. They all are low sodium, they all tend to make people lose weight and they all tend to lower blood sugar levels. I think the IG diet is far and away the hardest to follow because of the restrictions on EVERYTHING and the other two diets, I believe are about the same in terms of being hard to follow.

If you can't skip breakfast, don't skip breakfast. It's not set in stone, it's just that the data seems to indicate that XX develop best in lower glucose and anecdotally, we have found that a lot of girl moms tend to skip breakfast.

[atomic sagebrush]

The blood-sugar thing comes from a study done on mice. It just talks about conception not necessarily making a male not stick. I would not worry about that.

Here's an excerpt from the article.

Diet may influence the sex of your baby
A mother’s diet in the run-up to conception could influence the sex of her child, suggests a study in mice. The research shows that mice given drugs to lower their blood-sugar levels produced significantly more female than male pups.

The findings lend credence to traditional beliefs that eating certain foods can influence the sex of offspring.

The conventional wisdom is that the father’s sperm is the main determinant of the sex of a child. But increasingly scientists have found hints that maternal factors might have an influence too. For example, earlier work has suggested that single mothers are more likely to give birth to daughters.


Elissa Cameron at the University of Pretoria in South Africa and her colleagues wanted to study how changes in diet might influence sex ratios – the proportion of males to females in a population.

To do this, they altered the levels of blood-sugar in female mice during conception, by feeding the mice a steroid called dexamethasone (DEX), which inhibits the transport of glucose into the blood******.

Actually, there is MUCH more evidence than that. Cameron has done several studies and RE's have even verified that XX fertilized eggs develop best in a lower glucose environment. There was another recent study in which researchers could even tell the difference between XX and XY blastocysts just from the levels of glucose they took up. This is AFTER conception.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks NBP, this answer really helps to see the overall picture of swaying!

I´d like to add a question to this: Is the only reason we lower our blood sugar so that male beans won´t stick?
That´s what I read on IG and I´m not so sure I want to avoid a male embryo to implant if that´s what I´m supposed to have.
Or has lowering blood sugar been proven to favour female conception?

That is not true. I would NEVER EVER EVER be a part of such a thing and neither would Tamara because we are both very much right-to-life.

It is very likely that healthy babies of either gender can develop just fine in any range of environments, but there is some evidence that indicates XX may NEED lower glucose levels to divide and implant properly.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think that if you look at the actual human data that is available the ratios of sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium are the biggest factors that have been researched and shown to affect gender. The Dutch study on here and the French Gender diet on here support that fact. What IG and Atomic have done is take that research to the next level and incorporate other things that we *believe* may influence gender as well and incorporate those into the diet. Now, it is difficult to say which is "best" because we simply do not have the data to support that. What I can tell you is that both the Dutch study and the FG diet study show an 80% success rate when just focusing on the mineral ratios. FG had 3 studies with over 400 people and 80% success rate. The Dutch study was in the low 100's(patients) and near 80% success and I am sure she was following the FG diet with her clients after reading it. Do the other factors- pH, testosterone, alkaline vs. acidic make even more difference? I do not know the answer to that and neither does anyone else. None of those have been studied in humans like the minerals have.

So, no matter what else you do, it is IMPERATIVE that you follow a low sodium diet for a girl and keep your calcium and magnesium intake much higher than sodium and potassium. If you do not do that, you are really not swaying your odds at all. HTH

I just need to make very clear that the evidence only shows that the French Gender Diet sways. NOT that cal/mag sways. They need to do some followup studies to prove that it's the minerals that sway and not some other factor, because the two diets (boy v. girl) are also very different in many other ways. I am very inclined to think that the reason why the FGD sways is BECAUSE it is lower calorie, lower fat and protein, and may lower blood sugar levels.

The good news is that everyone can have the best of all possible worlds and encorporate the minerals into your diet and have a great sway. But I don't want anyone to rely solely on popping some cal-mag supps to sway because it's not proven yet.

There is actually a fair amount of data available that indicates a low-everything diet sways pink and I will put together a list of links when I have half a sec.

[Indira]

That is not true. I would NEVER EVER EVER be a part of such a thing and neither would Tamara because we are both very much right-to-life.

It is very likely that healthy babies of either gender can develop just fine in any range of environments, but there is some evidence that indicates XX may NEED lower glucose levels to divide and implant properly.

O I´m sorrry, I didn´t mean to say this was your or Tamara´s opinion.
It was another forum member on IG that gave this kind of explanation, at least that´s what I understood.

[atomic sagebrush]

No, I understand that totally and I didn't mean to offend!! I tried to explain a lot to people on IG about the blood glucose thing but I felt like it was kinda falling on deaf ears. :/

Anyway, the concern is that it does no good to conceive a baby of a particular gender if the environment isn't right for that baby to thrive...there were just TONS of chemical pg amongst the girl swayers on IG and several of us were wondering if the blood glucose levels were too high for the XX babies. (I have NO EVIDENCE that this is true but that is just what some were speculating about.)

[purplepoet20]

No, I understand that totally and I didn't mean to offend!! I tried to explain a lot to people on IG about the blood glucose thing but I felt like it was kinda falling on deaf ears. :/

Anyway, the concern is that it does no good to conceive a baby of a particular gender if the environment isn't right for that baby to thrive...there were just TONS of chemical pg amongst the girl swayers on IG and several of us were wondering if the blood glucose levels were too high for the XX babies. (I have NO EVIDENCE that this is true but that is just what some were speculating about.)

Makes sense to me since women who are diabetics tend to have more girls. The women I know who only drink diet soda tend to have girls. Women who do not control sugar and eat high amounts have boys. I have been watching my sugars like crazy and even have a meter to test for that.

[ThinkPink2014]

Speaking of testing, what's a good blood sugar target for the kind of low sugar that sways girl? I have a meter too from my gestational diabetes days and still test sporadically.

Also, do you think that this chart is pretty accurate? I was wondering if one could adhere to the LE diet while also selecting acid producing foods from this chart to lower ph.

http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/AirWaterLife-FoodImpactOnBody-pH-Chart.png

This seems like a simplified version:

http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/pH.html


Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

Firstly I wanted to mention that this post is from 2011 and we have evolved a lot in our thought processes since some of these posts were written. :)

I don't want anyone testing their blood glucose levels. It's just another thing to obsess over and while we say "lower blood sugar levels" as shorthand, what we really mean is that your body has to work to keep your blood sugar normal by burning off stores of fat. Your body doesn't like or want low blood sugar and immediately takes steps to bring it into normal range, and I believe it to be something about this process (forcing your body to tap into its stores to raise blood sugar) that sways pink. So even if you have "lower blood sugar levels" in terms of swaying, the measurable amounts of glucose in your blood are still going to be in normal range, but it's that your body had to work and use its stores to keep them there (hope that makes sense, a bit hard to explain)

I personally do not believe in the acid-alkaline diets and there is a good explanation of why that is, here:
Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html)

and another good explanation that has cursing and a bit of offensive language in it here:
The Acid/Alkaline Diet: Is it Legit or a Scam? - Get A Life (http://www.gll-getalife.com/2013/05/acid-alkaline-diet/)

[ThinkPink2014]

Thanks, atomic! I'll definitely check out those links. LOL I'm relieved that there's no numerical target to shoot for because that stressed the heck out of me during my pregnancy.

[ThinkPink2014]

Very interesting reads and definitely helpful. I was wrongly assuming that diet would also influence the pH of cervical mucus and sway!

[atomic sagebrush]

diet can alter pH of saliva (because food goes in your mouth LOL) and urine, but it's never been proven that it alters pH of CM!!

[1adorablebabyboymom]

So, we need to control sugar??? I thought it was unlimited on LE just as long as you stayed in your other quotas with cals fat, and pro etc



Makes sense to me since women who are diabetics tend to have more girls. The women I know who only drink diet soda tend to have girls. Women who do not control sugar and eat high amounts have boys. I have been watching my sugars like crazy and even have a meter to test for that.

[Sarah4girl]

I haven't done the IG or French diets. But I'm approaching my 6 week of the LE diet and I have to say, it's a lot easier than I has thought. I think because of the highs held of carbs. Give it a go. You will be surprised :)


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[Dynazyme]

I have a question:
On LE diet it is recommended to skip breakfast to keep blood glucose low. Why does it make sense to do this 6 weeks in advance? It seems that low blood glucuose affects fertilization/implantation. So why not watching low blood glucose some days around conception? Thanks!!!!

[sweetdream]

I believe that the egg decides wich seed has more chance for survival. The egg and its code isn't made just days in advance but weeks. If you want to send a signal of body State. You need to do that AT LEAST 6 WK's in advance.
The results support this.

[Dynazyme]

Thanks sweetdream! That makes sense!

[atomic sagebrush]

So, we need to control sugar??? I thought it was unlimited on LE just as long as you stayed in your other quotas with cals fat, and pro etc

For anyone who does not have PCOS, insulin resistance, or factors that are linked to having IR (such as being older, overweight, gaining weight on LE) sugar is unlimited as long as you stay within your day's totals.

She was talking about diabetics WHO DO have insulin resistance (that's kinda how diabetes works really)

[atomic sagebrush]

I have a question:
On LE diet it is recommended to skip breakfast to keep blood glucose low. Why does it make sense to do this 6 weeks in advance? It seems that low blood glucuose affects fertilization/implantation. So why not watching low blood glucose some days around conception? Thanks!!!!

Sweetdream already talked about this (thank you) but just to elaborate, it makes no sense to me that the body doesn't take note of conditions until fertilization occurs. YOur body does not want to conceive a baby only to lose it, because that is a huge waste of an egg (which are "precious" because we have so few) and also because miscarriage can be a life threatening event in the natural world. So it makes the most sense to me, by far, that our body "notices" things like that before we ever conceive and something occurs that sways gender, even though we don't yet know what that something is.