Sleeping and Testosterone.

[pinkin2011]

D/h and I have been together for 13 years and married for 6. In the years before we got married we would dtd every day sometimes twice a day.. After we got married its been 5 times a week pretty much every week. Since ds2 has been born and hes 9 months old now I have had hardly any sleep he is a SHOCKING sleeper and terrible the last couple of weeks with teething and d/h and I would be lucky to dtd 5 times a month!!! I just cant be bothered no sex drive AT ALL! So less sleep must make your testosterone level low!!

[sbowman]

It does sound like it would be a good thing to add to a sway. I just can't do it myself. If I don't get 8-9 hours at night I'm useless. I guess could compensate with loads of coffee though lol.


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[atomic sagebrush]

I agree lack of sleep sways pink and I think it helped my sway too.

[lovemy2blessings]

Woo hoo!!! I had no idea about this I've been slacking in sleep for a couple of months now and I just can't take naps because I work full time. So glad to know this because I will be adding it to my sway plan:)

[gurly]

Lol I think when you're that tired, sleep trumps horniness.

[Becca.lms]

Lol I think when you're that tired, sleep trumps horniness.

Aint that the truth.

[Becca.lms]

I get no sleep. Up with baby all night. But he slept through last night arghh. But generally I get five, six broken hours of sleep.

[WillowsGirl]

This makes me wonder if trying to sway now while I'm still sleep deprived with a new baby would be a good thing? Or is it better to wait?

[Becca.lms]

This makes me wonder if trying to sway now while I'm still sleep deprived with a new baby would be a good thing? Or is it better to wait?

If you're already used to it.I don't want Ezra to start sleeping through. Makes me sad.

[mis2ninos]

Haha! I can see me now, setting my alarm clock to wake up every 2 hours!
I agree lack of sleep sways pink and I think it helped my swhay too.

[Becca.lms]

Haha! I can see me now, setting my alarm clock to wake up every 2 hours!

Easy sway aspect if you ask me.

[gurly]

This makes me wonder if trying to sway now while I'm still sleep deprived with a new baby would be a good thing? Or is it better to wait?

It's just a theory, I wouldn't run with it!
It's all about how much energy and patience you have, and how much you can handle. I personally needed a break so I did not want 2 little ones very close in age.

[atomic sagebrush]

I get no sleep. Up with baby all night. But he slept through last night arghh. But generally I get five, six broken hours of sleep.

one good night can't undo months of bad sleep

[atomic sagebrush]

This makes me wonder if trying to sway now while I'm still sleep deprived with a new baby would be a good thing? Or is it better to wait?

I think both lack of sleep and a fast turnaround in getting pg after a new baby both tend to sway pink BUT none of these things are guarantees or magic bullets, so you'd have to go into it realizing that you could end up with 2 boys very close together!

[pinkin2011]

TRUST ME I do not want to ttc right now I would go insane having to get up to 2 babies. last night I got about 3 hrs of broken sleep my heads pounding. I think I could go without ever dtd again just not interested.

[Becca.lms]

TRUST ME I do not want to ttc right now I would go insane having to get up to 2 babies. last night I got about 3 hrs of broken sleep my heads pounding. I think I could go without ever dtd again just not interested.

My son is almost 13 months so he is not a NB so probably won't sway as much. But he still gets up 2,3 times a night. So. We went to bed at 1. Up twice with him then up at 7. So not much sleep. I wanted to wait to try until he was at least a year if he decides to wean when I become a barf machine.

[gurly]

TRUST ME I do not want to ttc right now I would go insane having to get up to 2 babies. last night I got about 3 hrs of broken sleep my heads pounding. I think I could go without ever dtd again just not interested.

Oh I soooo remember that feeling. It'll get better soon !

[WillowsGirl]

I always thought having babies closer together, like Irish twins, meant they would both be the same gender. Which is why I picked Dec-Jan to start trying. It's surprising to see that having them closer could mean the second one is more likely to be a girl.

[atomic sagebrush]

My son is almost 13 months so he is not a NB so probably won't sway as much. But he still gets up 2,3 times a night. So. We went to bed at 1. Up twice with him then up at 7. So not much sleep. I wanted to wait to try until he was at least a year if he decides to wean when I become a barf machine.

When I got DD, I was up with my 3 1/2 year old and my almost 2 year old every night at least once and usually more. The interrupted sleep sways on its own. Then in addition to that, a quick turnaround between kiddos can ALSO sway because your condition will be lower if you haven't fully recovered from pg yet.

[atomic sagebrush]

I always thought having babies closer together, like Irish twins, meant they would both be the same gender. Which is why I picked Dec-Jan to start trying. It's surprising to see that having them closer could mean the second one is more likely to be a girl.

That's an old wives tale.

The Irish twins thing, works a bit differently than you might expect because while biologically it should sway pink, if you are a person who is ABLE physically to conceive shortly after having a baby, you may be more likely to have a boy anyway (because your condition is so high that you were able to bounce back and become fertile again quickly.) So you can get boys or girls as Irish twins - the catch is that declining maternal condition tends to sway pink but also inhibits fertility, so women who are able to conceive Irish twins may be more "set" to blue to begin with and that's the only reason they're ABLE to conceive.

Hard concept to explain, let me know if it's unclear.

[BabyGirl4Me]

I was getting about 7ish hrs on average a night when I conceived DD. I tried incorporating lack of sleep into my pink sway and found that I could deal with 7hrs. With DS, I was getting 9-10 hours a night when he was conceived! Ladies who are swaying blue should definitely get their shut eye. If swaying pink, a lack of sleep will help you, I think. :)

[gurly]

This is kind of silly.

[atomic sagebrush]

Then don't include it in your sway plan.

Maternal condition sways gender, and someone who is not getting enough rest simply can't be in that good of condition. It does stuff to your body.

Magical calendars that come from Chinese tombs are silly. Lack of sleep is biological. ;)

[gurly]

Then don't include it in your sway plan.

Maternal condition sways gender, and someone who is not getting enough rest simply can't be in that good of condition. It does stuff to your body.

Magical calendars that come from Chinese tombs are silly. Lack of sleep is biological. ;)

Perhaps I missed it. I didn't see sleep pattern discussed until this thread popped up. Can you post the links for me? I'm interested in learning more about it

[atomic sagebrush]

Sleep loss dramatically lowers testosterone in healthy young men (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110531162142.htm)
Sleep deprivation reduces aggression, testosterone in men (http://www.news-medical.net/news/20121016/Sleep-deprivation-reduces-aggression-testosterone-in-men.aspx)

I don't include it in the regular sway info simply because I think it's terrible for health and mental function when trying to care for small children as many of us do on a daily basis. I don't want people to be exhausted and trying to do LE Diet while taking care of their kids, driving, and so on.

I do include it in the blue sway plans - making sure people get enough sleep for their blue sway.

I have concerns that people will take it way way too far and as a result it is not my standard advice for everyone. But I do think it sways pink and answer honestly when people ask me.

[marriedmomof2]

I love the idea. I have issues sleeping like every woman in my family. I would just stop taking sleeping pills, I will still sleep it would just be broken sleep.

[hotdogz&boyz]

Truthfully, I think this aspect was one of the largest aspects of my sway. I was up at least 2-3 times a night, sometimes 4-5 with my 11-month-old and almost 3-year-old. I was lucky to get 6 broken hours each night. My son was just an awful sleeper for so long. I was running on fumes. And I also was getting sick constantly because my body was so depleted. I certainly DON'T recommend someone trying to put their body into such a state, it is horrible in all regards. But if you are there anyway, I think it does add one more tally in your pink box.

[Becca.lms]

Truthfully, I think this aspect was one of the largest aspects of my sway. I was up at least 2-3 times a night, sometimes 4-5 with my 11-month-old and almost 3-year-old. I was lucky to get 6 broken hours each night. My son was just an awful sleeper for so long. I was running on fumes. And I also was getting sick constantly because my body was so depleted. I certainly DON'T recommend someone trying to put their body into such a state, it is horrible in all regards. But if you are there anyway, I think it does add one more tally in your pink box.
Woohoo. Sounds like me!

[pinkin2011]

Oh the lack of sleep thing is terrible for health.. My skin is poor my hair is poor I look a wreck no matter what I do its very depressing this is just HARD WORK! I know my body is suffering constant headache this is just not fun .

[atomic sagebrush]

Giving it to you straight here, my lack of sleep in the months before I conceived DD was absolutely hellish and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a year off my life, seriously.

[And Solomon Makes Six]

DH and I are terrible sleepers. 4 girls 1 boy here. I am trying to correct this before we sway blue.

[atomic sagebrush]

thank you!!!

when I do the custom plans, it's surprising because I would say a good 1/4 of the blue swayers work nights.

[2lovelyboys]

I'm hoping this has helped my sway!

I am a BIG sleeper, slept for 12 hours regularly prior to DS1, after DS1 I knew I wanted more children, took multivitamins to get my body back on track then waited until he was sleeping through before ttc again, DS2 arrived. This time I conceived within a year of DS2 being born, he has been a BAD sleeper, less than 6 hours consecutive sleep a night for months, hope it will help!

[calciumconfused]

OMG, both our boys started sleeping through the night a couple of weeks ago and I was absolutely ecstatic! Bit of a bummer now actually, but I can't remember how I even coped at work, and my mood has improved dramatically, so am in two minds about this...

I love sleeping, so hopefully it doesn't sway too much :worry:

[pinkin2011]

I think this no sleep has taken 5 years off my life and that's no joke.

[pinkin2011]

Im so bitterly jealous of people and their sleep and when I hear people complaining that they are tired and don't have kids it just makes me sick .

[Becca.lms]

No sleep doesn't bother me. I mean, I take caffeine like Its going out of style, have big bagged red eyes, and no energy but if it means my boy still needs me and all I have to do is feed him at night to ease him, that's okay with me. It will be a sad day when he sleeps through. Mama won't be needed as much. These moments I cherish because no matter what they never last. Wahhhh.

[WillowsGirl]

Becca you have a gorgeous family! My DS 2 is named Liam. This is off topic but do you breastfeed? I've tried drinking coffee to help with no sleep but it seems to make him gassy.

[Becca.lms]

Becca you have a gorgeous family! My DS 2 is named Liam. This is off topic but do you breastfeed? I've tried drinking coffee to help with no sleep but it seems to make him gassy.

Thank you :D
Yes he's breastfed. Caffeine never bothered him. He has a pretty easy going tummy that way. I remember him only having gas once.
Apples are said to give off more energy than caffeine. I love my Red delicious. Maybe give that a go! But don't think you can eat the peels which I'm pretty sure is where the energy lies. So maybe after LE.

[atomic sagebrush]

I also like waking up in the night with them - within reason!! ;)

I have BF five and caffeine has never seemed to keep any of them awake. I haven't noticed gassiness from it either - the one thing that ever seemed to bother any of my kids were legumes - lentils, peas, and peanut butter.

[carameline]

thank you!!!

when I do the custom plans, it's surprising because I would say a good 1/4 of the blue swayers work nights.

Ooo i like this. I'm a nurse and they've started giving me more night shifts. I was complaining about this but I won't anymore ;)

[bunnywabbit]

Normally I could sleep for Britain, certainly on the weekends. I usually get up at least once during the night (as most females do!). The last few weeks, however, my sleep has been awful because of the hot weather. Even if I don't find it hot, DH does and spend the nights tossing and turning. Then I hurt my foot and has been keeping me up. Wondering if it was enough to help sway...

[Rinny101]

Very Interesting. I will definitely factor this into my sway!!

[Cauliflower]

All the waking up at eating in the middle of night to fast might help ;) good to hear!

[Little Lunasa]

That's an old wives tale.

The Irish twins thing, works a bit differently than you might expect because while biologically it should sway pink, if you are a person who is ABLE physically to conceive shortly after having a baby, you may be more likely to have a boy anyway (because your condition is so high that you were able to bounce back and become fertile again quickly.) So you can get boys or girls as Irish twins - the catch is that declining maternal condition tends to sway pink but also inhibits fertility, so women who are able to conceive Irish twins may be more "set" to blue to begin with and that's the only reason they're ABLE to conceive.

Hard concept to explain, let me know if it's unclear.

Omg I'm Irish and I've never heard of 'Irish twins'!!!!
Can someone tell me why they are called that?


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[Becca.lms]

Omg I'm Irish and I've never heard of 'Irish twins'!!!!
Can someone tell me why they are called that?


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Irish Twins - Definition of Irish Twins (http://multiples.about.com/od/glossary/g/irishtwins.htm)

[atomic sagebrush]

Omg I'm Irish and I've never heard of 'Irish twins'!!!!
Can someone tell me why they are called that?


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All it means is two babies born within 12-18 months of each other. I think they're called "Irish twins" because it's a derogatory term - as in, Catholics have a lot of children, type of stereotype.

[Raining]

My boys are 15 months apart. I really dislike the term Irish twins.

[Little Lunasa]

All it means is two babies born within 12-18 months of each other. I think they're called "Irish twins" because it's a derogatory term - as in, Catholics have a lot of children, type of stereotype.
Or else we are all super fertile over here! :)
Ps and not all catholic lol

[onebigwish]

My 10 months old DS2 wakes very early in the morning 5/6o clock!! He doesnt wake up at night , i get 6/7 jours of sleep a day. Is that swaying girl too?

[bunnywabbit]

I'm thinking it's interrupted sleep that sways x

[atomic sagebrush]

Interrupted or less hours, either way I think the effect would be much the same. ;)

[atomic sagebrush]

My boys are 15 months apart. I really dislike the term Irish twins.

I agree not a nice expression. but not sure what other terminology to use?? Is there another term that people are familiar with?

[Little Lunasa]

My boys are 15 months apart. I really dislike the term Irish twins.
To be honest, compared to some of the derogatory words used to describe the Irish down through the years, it is very mild ! :)

[Cauliflower]

Pseudotwins in Norweigan of course "pseudotvillinger" ;)

[WillowsGirl]

Sorry I didn't mean to offend. I wasn't aware of any other term for it. :worry:

About the caffeine and the fussiness...my younger son has been very difficult. He seems to be sensitive to lots of things. I stay away from milk and most caffeine sources, including chocolate. Coffee especially seems to cause him to be fussy. I think it may have to do with that I avoided all of that during pregnancy and most of the time anyway. He has pretty bad reflux and he's on medication but maybe it's not enough at times.

[Little Lunasa]

Sorry I didn't mean to offend. I wasn't aware of any other term for it. :worry:

Gosh dont worry, Im not offended anyway, and Im Irish! :)

[Raining]

Oh I'm not Irish, I'm not offended at all. I think I just dislike the term because it usually comes with a "wow, you had them so close. Was that on purpose" sort of vibe.

[martixyole]

now i'm stressful with a lot of work!

[martixyole]

and i'm ttc a boy

[martixyole]

no sleeping really sways pink?

[martixyole]

thanks for this forum

[crazyladyneedsababy]

this is mega interesting, late nights for me it is then lol x

[atomic sagebrush]

no sleeping really sways pink?

Yes, I believe that it does. I do recommend that blue swayers try to get a good amount of sleep and even when you can't sleep, get physical rest when it is possible.

[stephk]

Well DS started sleeping through 4 months ago so as I am still on maternity leave I am getting more sleep than when he was conceived! About 7-8 hours a night. When he was conceived I was probably getting 6-7 hours a night, which will be the case when I go back to work. Hopefully my body has gotten used to the 7-8 hours a night and will interpret an hour or two less per night as declining condition once we decide to go for it ;)

[stephk]

Along with a different diet and exercise of course!

[lovemysonbut]

becca.lms your boys are gorgeous and so cute together!!! Your photo makes me want a boy so my son can have a brother!!!! Thanks!

[Becca.lms]

becca.lms your boys are gorgeous and so cute together!!! Your photo makes me want a boy so my son can have a brother!!!! Thanks!

Thank you!! :) They are best buddies!

[Kristykos]

Wow I'm a shoe in for pink then, my ds2 hasn't slept more than 5 hours straight in the 2 years ive been blessed tobehis mum.

[Bigwish]

Before I got my two boys i slept a minimum of nine hours per day. After my first one, i BF him once a night, but he slept through the night from 5 weeks - 5 months, then woke at night until 8 months, and then again from 11 months. But he was a very good sleeper overall and i managed to get 9 hours of sleep when i conceived my second when my oldes was 12 months.

My second boy i BF at night until 5 months and then only occasionally (when ill or something like that). But he clustered until 17 months so i hardly was in bed before 23.00 hours. I woke up at 6.00 hours as i had to go to work. But in the weekend and when i was at home, i easily slept until 8.00 hours. (we're blessed with very well sleeping kids)

In the last year i had a lot of work stress which drove me near nervous breakdown almost twice. I slept horribly! With night wakings and talkings in my sleep. It was so worse that DH was often mad at me for waking him, or crawling over him to just avoid all those scary monsters that i dreamed of! LOL

Since my sway i didn't go to bed before 23.00 hours. Since three weeks i lost my job so i am at home. I still get a lot of sleep but i am still talking in my sleep and wake often (have to finish my dissertation). Together with that i am absolutely feeling exhausted due to the diet in combination with exercise it give me confidence i am in declining condition. So i incorporate deprived sleep sort of half in my sway. I tried to set my alarm at 7.00 hours but it is not possible, i can't stand on my feet when i do that. I think we have to do what's possible in our own situation.

Really looking forward to getting pregnant now; i am going to sleep, sleep, sleep and eat, eat, eat, and dropping the intense exercise routine. Can't wait!

[pinkin2011]

I hear you with the intense exercise, I am walking 10 km a day pushing a pram!! I dont get much sleep at all its hard to get through the day. I know my body is tired and lacking alot of things! Too bad i am not ttc right now!