So confused..advice please

[missmegrn]

I have noticed over the past 3 months that my cm near fertile weak goes from watery to ewcm back to watery, and a delayed ovulation. I started b-complex 3 months ago to help wean caffeine dependence and lengthen lp. It has helped me do both, I have dropped from 5 cups of coffee/day to only 2 and my lp had gone from 10/11 to 13 for 3 months straight. I have also delayed ovulation by 2/3 days as well. This month my cervical mucus has gone from watery to ewcm back to watery with no pos opk and no temp shift. I am on cd 20 with no pos opk, I have not tested today yet. I don't feel like my cm is fertile or has been since I started bcomplex, but if I drop it I will shorten lp. Help or suggestions please

[ELP]

I dont know much about this Im afraid hopefully atomic will pop by soon:) but a lp of 10-11 days was fine so if you need to drop the b vits then you would still be in a good position.

[missmegrn]

I'm just not sure what's going on. I know I haven't ovulated, I temp and have not seen a temp rise. I have been doing opks 2x/day since last Monday when my cm started getting runny. I guess I may possibly be having an anovulatory month. Just tested and it was still neg opk. This is way too frustrating. Hopefully atomic can chime in when she has a moment.

[missmegrn]

Also my lp can range from 9-11 without bcomplex, it was 9 in May which prompted me to start bcomplex as they where shortening from 11 to 10 to 9. . I may just have to drop it though if I keep postponing ovulation.

[TTCaPRINCE]

I could be wrong here but I don't know if Atomic would tell you to stop taking the b vitamins because your body might see that as a dip in nutrients which isn't good for a boy sway. It could be possible that your ovulation is delayed because you seem to be stressing about it though? I am not sure. Hopefully Atomic will come in here and save the day! Just keep testing and snacking!!!! Best of luck!

[missmegrn]

Thanks for your response. I have already stopped taking them. I think I am just having an anovulatory month. My temps are still low and actually have little variation which has not happened to me before that I can remember. My cm is still watery and I am still testing. I am on cd23 I think and I will probably test for 2 more days and after that I will stop as I have lost hope for this cycle. Hopefully September will be better cycle wise and get me back on track.

[ELP]

Good point about the drop in nutrients:agree: If I see AS online later on Ill give this a bump for you :)

[missmegrn]

Bumping so hopefully atomic will see.

[Adia]

I don't know how much this helps, but I have experienced something very similar. I had a miscarriage in Dec and never really had authentic ewcm that didn't vascilate from water, to ew, to water, etc until 3 months ago.

It seems like now the cm it is exactly how its supposed to be but the back and forth made me crazy and I have RARELY had any luck with OPKs. I use cm and cervix to mostly track ovulation.

I tried mucinex, grapefruit juice, etc and nothing really seemed to change things until a few months ago and now my ewcm is VERY plentiful and very easy to read, per se.

I don't know the cause of all this but I am guessing that its an adjustment period for my body with the diet/supplements (and the miscarriage) because they whole diet/supp thing is very odd for my natural eating tendencies.

HTH ....Are you taking EPO or fertile CM?

[atomic sagebrush]

watery CM IS fertile so no worries there.

I personally think that you may be able to drop the B complex and your LP will stay at 13 days - I'd be a little more concerned that dropping the B could be interpreted as a drop in nutrients which may not be the best for your sway.

B vitamins can def. delay O, but I'm not liking the option of you dropping them either for the reason I just mentioned. What my advice would be is to do SMEP Sperm Meets Egg Plan (http://www.pregnancyloss.info/sperm_meets_egg_plan.htm) and not worry about your CM because it's all good. no matter what you'll be covered.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for your response. I have already stopped taking them. I think I am just having an anovulatory month. My temps are still low and actually have little variation which has not happened to me before that I can remember. My cm is still watery and I am still testing. I am on cd23 I think and I will probably test for 2 more days and after that I will stop as I have lost hope for this cycle. Hopefully September will be better cycle wise and get me back on track.

I really think you should restart them, it is never a good idea to stop vitamins suddenly and especially not when swaying blue.

CD 23 is really not that late as O goes (I mean, that's hardly out of the norm!!!!) If you are 110% sure you're not pg and just want to get the show on the road, I would call my doctor and see if s/he can give you something to bring on AF and that will act like a reset button and things will start over again.

[missmegrn]

Atomic thanks for your responses. Just wanted to update...cd24 still no +opk. My cm is becoming more like ewcm and watery at the same time. I don't know if my body is just trying to gear up for ovulation again or it's just playing tricks on me. After I wrote my original post my cm became creamy with a slight wateriness to it. Yesterday my cm started to become ewcm-ish and still watery. I started the bcomplex back up today as I can tell a difference in energy levels escpecially while on a 12 hr work shift. I was actually supposed to have an appt with my dr next week for my annual pap smear but she had to cancel b/c she will be out of town. She has no appts until mid September and she said she wants to see me first before prescribing anything. My temps are still down, but have slight fluctuations to them now than last week. So now I sit and basically wait for ovulation or my period. If my cm had dried up, I would be more relaxed, and know that my cycle was over. I am taking 2-3 opks a day just in case. I probably will stop this weekend either way just so I am not wasting so much money on a possibly lost cycle.

As for the smep, at this time it is not something we can accomplish due to dh's new work schedule. We are doing good to dtd when we can. DH basically leaves the house at 4 am and doesn't come back until 8pm (has a 2 hr drive to and from work) and it is also a strenuous manual labor job so it has been hard to dtd as he is very tired when he gets home.

I have kind of come to terms that the odds are more against me than for me to get pg and/or have a boy. I am doing what I can to sway, but DH cannot really stop at this time what does sway girl(smokeless tobacco and antidepressants). We dtd when possible but his new work hours make it hard to have the energy to do so.

Hopefully something will happen soon in my cycle because I am going crazy..lol.

[missmegrn]

HTH ....Are you taking EPO or fertile CM?[/QUOTE]

I am only taking a prenatal, fish oil, probiotic, vitamin d, b-complex, and folic acid. I have hypothyroidism controlled by medication and my endocrinologist stated to stay away from EPO as it can sometimes interfere with thyroid meds. I have heard good and bad things about fertile CM, and I am just not sure if it would interact with my thyroid meds. I know that what I am already taking does not.

[The Anchor]

B vitamins can def. delay O, but I'm not liking the option of you dropping them either for the reason I just mentioned. What my advice would be is to do SMEP Sperm Meets Egg Plan (http://www.pregnancyloss.info/sperm_meets_egg_plan.htm) and not worry about your CM because it's all good. no matter what you'll be covered.

Wait...B vitamins delay O??? Shoot, can't believe I haven't seen this before. That sure explains a lot.

[missmegrn]

For the 3 months I have taken them, month 1 O was 1 day late, month 2 was 2 days late, and month 3 I am going on 5th day with no O. My lp has extended to 13 days though. These past few months have been stressful but not out of the ordinary stressful, so I am thinking the b-complex possibly in combo with stress has been culprit in my case.

[missmegrn]

The more I look into the symptoms of an anovulatory cycle...the more I believe this is what's going on this month. I know they can happen although I've never had one before. This is driving me crazy.

[Adia]

I am only taking a prenatal, fish oil, probiotic, vitamin d, b-complex, and folic acid. I have hypothyroidism controlled by medication and my endocrinologist stated to stay away from EPO as it can sometimes interfere with thyroid meds. I have heard good and bad things about fertile CM, and I am just not sure if it would interact with my thyroid meds. I know that what I am already taking does not.

Personally, I don't think either EPO or Fertile CM are the best idea compared to using individual supplements.

I used both and haven't been able to get pregnant since Fertile CM. I have shingles so I think the L-arginine interacted with it because I felt AWFUL on the Fertile CM. EPO just gave me tons of watery cm.

My fertility doctor actually noted that I have thyroid level too high for good TTC. Not sure if she'll put me on meds or what but better to stick with the basic supplements if you have any issues.

Don't worry, things will work out. I am stressed too. Working in a hospital, going to nursing school, keeping up with DH, 3 kids AND TTC!! I have been TTC since Nov and I'm seeing a fertility doctor now we'll get there sooner or later!!

[missmegrn]

Wow..it must be crazy at your house...lol. Good luck in nursing school, been there myself (didn't have kids at the time) and I still wonder how I made it through. I have been an rn for 6 yrs and there is never a dull moment in my work day. Hopefully we both will get pg soon because this ttc and swaying stuff is stress full too.

[Adia]

Wow..it must be crazy at your house...lol. Good luck in nursing school, been there myself (didn't have kids at the time) and I still wonder how I made it through. I have been an rn for 6 yrs and there is never a dull moment in my work day. Hopefully we both will get pg soon because this ttc and swaying stuff is stress full too.

Yeah, TTC has taken on a life of its own...but I've been doing it for so long that its second nature. Fingers crossed for both of us!

[atomic sagebrush]

oh they ALWAYS SAY that, don't they??? Can't tell ya a thing till they see you but they're never available for like 6 weeks. :(

My advice is to forget about everything I said if it's causing you any undue stress whatsoever, to DTD when the possibility presents itself, and do exactly what you're doing using Preseed. Sending you a ton of blue dust!!!

[missmegrn]

Thanks for the responses. Wish my body would just make up it's mind and do something, either ovulate or bleed. Still testing with opks and temping, as cm is still very watery, just in case. I definitely have and appt 9/12, as that was the soonest they could fit me in after they had to cancel my appt for my annual on 8/29 because my md is on vacation. This is way to stressful and frustrating..lol.

[missmegrn]

Wanted to update this thread. I FINALLY had a +opk on sunday cd 28 with ovulation on Monday cd 29 confirmed with a bbt temp shift. I am so glad I continued to keep testing with opks. I don't have much hope for this cycle though, as we were able to only bd on night of +opk due to work and sleep schedules as well as children's sleep schedules. Hopefully next month will be a bit better and less stressful and long and we can get more attempts in than just one.

[Adia]

I rarely get the opks to work for me. I have had a few random positives but nothing to show off and I've been swaying for almost a year!

Hang in there girlie, you'll get there. With working (days or nights) and raising kids its hard to get it all in.

Every month that goes by you'll be a little more confident in what you are doing so don't worry about not getting enough attempts in this month.

Good luck!