how much protein and carbs?

[gizmo77]

does anyone know if there are guidelines for how MUCH protein and carbs to eat (in grams or other units) per 2300-2500 calories that we should be eating per day? that would help me to put something together!!

im realizing that eating carbs doesnt necessarily mean breads and pastas but can be fruits and vegies too (should be anyway right). but im also wondering how much of the refined carbs should we eat or should we stay away from it altogether. i mean if the boy diet says stay away from simple carbs (breads, pastas), all we SHOULD be eating is protein and fruits and vegies, barely any bread or grain products. correct???

[begonia]

Gizmo FWIW I am staying away (mostly) from refined carbs, but am eating some whole grains like quinoa and barley. Most of my carbs are fruit/vegetable. I do eat whole grain bread maybe 2 times a week, like if I'm out to lunch and order a sandwich or something like that. But day to day I do avoid most processed food.

I am also going for high protein and most days hit about 100 grams. I haven't been counting my calories so don't know how many overall calories I'm taking in ... I just eat pretty much all the time it seems so I'm sure the count has to be up there. Maybe I'll track tomorrow just to see.

[begonia]

Oh I meant to add I haven't seen anything on here about rec'd amount of protein/carbs ... I'd be curious to know if that is somewhere, too!

[gizmo77]

yeha i mean im eating like you are right now (mostly fruits/vegies as my carbs) to lose weight and as im approaching the time to start boy diet i feel like itll be quite similar to now with exception of my decreasing ca and mg and adding salt, potatoes, and bananas and supps. id like to avoid gaining so much weight (esply in case i dont get pg 1st attempt and also bc im starting diet 3 mos ahead of attempt) and im wondering if ppl are gaining bc of the salt or bc they assume (like i do) carbs means bread? i know the high caloric intake would make you gain wieght but it shouldnt soo much if its complex carbs (fruits/vegs) and also if your blood sugar remains constantly even, your metabolism would cater to your eating habits so technically i fyoure eating the same foods and no refined carbs, eating constantly even tho high calorie you really shouldnt be gaining that much weight (in a perfect world!!!). i know the goal is 3-5pounds but thats in muscle yes? and was that estimated weight gain for the minimum 6 week run of the boy diet?
i need numbers ;-)

thx for your response tho. 100g of protein sounds pretty good..

[purplepoet20]

During the time my boys were conceived I ate meat with lunch and dinner.... DS1- 2 hotdogs for lunch, with bun mayo mustard, some type of salty chips, and real pepsi. Dinner was 2-3 peices of chicken w/skin, or an 8oz steak, or 1/2 rack of ribs, or 1 Italian sausage with 2-3 servings of pasta, or eating out for pizza, wings, or burgers... DS2 - ham/salami sandwiches for lunch, chips and soda. Dinner was about the same as with DS1 but eating out a little less.

I ate 3-5x's the req amount of protein just with meat and who knows what was in the other foods like milk, bread, etc.

[begonia]

Gizmo I've been following the TW style diet for months now, really since late last year, and I've gained 7 lbs. So about 1lb a month ... and I can tell maybe 1/2 that is muscle gain and 1/2 is fat. Last night I was trying to ballpark my calories and am figuring I am right about 2300-2500 most days.

I think some people gain more weight b/c they were previously restricting calories while doing loads of cardio, so to increase calories but cut back cardio (particularly with more fat and carbs) seems like it would naturally lead to gaining weight. I've been eating over 2000 calories a day for years and years, the difference is it used to be MUCH more sugar and much less protein. It was not a nutrient rich 2000+ calorie diet :oops:

[gizmo77]

1 lb a month i can handle. yours sounds like a good plan mostideal for me. ive had no cardio (just chasing kids) so i hope adding the calories doesnt hit me too hard.
ive used this website to help calculate my protein intake if anyone is interested:

http://exercise.about.com/cs/nutrition/a/protein_2.htm

purplepoet thx, that gives me a better idea. im a big fan of meat so it wont be hard to consume that..!

[gizmo77]

Gizmo I've been following the TW style diet for months now, really since late last year, and I've gained 7 lbs. So about 1lb a month ... and I can tell maybe 1/2 that is muscle gain and 1/2 is fat. Last night I was trying to ballpark my calories and am figuring I am right about 2300-2500 most days.

:oops:

begonia, so why do you think you havent gotten pg yet? (if youve been doing this for about a yr?)

[begonia]

I haven't tried yet! My first attempt will be sometime in the next week, depending on my O date. I started the diet back in October 2010 b/c initially we were going to attempt end of November, but some stuff came up and we decided to wait ... so I just stuck with the diet (occasionally having sweets though, esp back during the holidays) since the TW approach is pretty easy to do, and because I wasn't sure when we would decide to TTC... and we've gotten pg once before on accident so I wanted to cover my bases just in case. Anyhow, we just decided a couple of weeks ago to give it a shot this month.

[gizmo77]

oh okay!! gotchya! ive just been reading a lot about how teh girls on here are having trouble just conceiving and im wondering if its diet related or supplements or age/fertility etc..who knows. good luck this month!

[skrimpy]

Personally I went for 100g of protein daily with my blue sway for my 2yo - this is an excellent amount for preconception and also for a healthy pregnancy. I would also shoot for a carb rate around there. With my newborn (girl) I was getting plenty of protein but very low carbs (and losing weight). With our successful blue sway the protein and carbs were higher. Those both go along with TW well.

[begonia]

Thanks for the info Skrimpy, very helpful!

Gizmo I don't think the diet is the reason we've not had a bunch of BFP's ... at least not for those who are doing TW and including ca/mg. And we're having quite the run of BFP's now :happy: But many of the gals on here haven't started TTC yet either so I think that also might make it seem like there are lots of people, but not a lot of BFP's.

[skrimpy]

I agree w/ Begonia, I think a lot of us are swayers in waiting still!!

[gizmo77]

Thanks for the info Skrimpy, very helpful!

Gizmo I don't think the diet is the reason we've not had a bunch of BFP's ... at least not for those who are doing TW and including ca/mg. And we're having quite the run of BFP's now :happy: But many of the gals on here haven't started TTC yet either so I think that also might make it seem like there are lots of people, but not a lot of BFP's.

WHEN YOU GUYS SAY "tw" YOU MEAN TRIVERSWILLARD METHOD RIGHT?
AND THANKS FOR ALL TEH GREAT INFO!! sorry about caps!

[skrimpy]

WHEN YOU GUYS SAY "tw" YOU MEAN TRIVERSWILLARD METHOD RIGHT?
AND THANKS FOR ALL TEH GREAT INFO!! sorry about caps!

Yep Gizmo!

[atomic sagebrush]

does anyone know if there are guidelines for how MUCH protein and carbs to eat (in grams or other units) per 2300-2500 calories that we should be eating per day? that would help me to put something together!!

im realizing that eating carbs doesnt necessarily mean breads and pastas but can be fruits and vegies too (should be anyway right). but im also wondering how much of the refined carbs should we eat or should we stay away from it altogether. i mean if the boy diet says stay away from simple carbs (breads, pastas), all we SHOULD be eating is protein and fruits and vegies, barely any bread or grain products. correct???

For those who don't know this already, I am posting the High-Everything/Low-Everything diets and all the diet plans, meals, shopping lists, etc. in the Dream Members section. I would rather put it out here but I'm afraid it will be stolen like all the IG stuff was. :/ It's not done yet but I've made a start and there is more and more coming.

Recommended amounts -

Calories - 2200-2600 or more if you are lifting a lot of weights and putting on muscle and you're happy with it
Protein - 90 grams or more
Fat - Unlimited healthy fats as long as you are not getting too many calories
Sodium - upwards of 4000 mg without going totally insane and ruining your health

Carbs are unlimited, fruits and veg should be a minimum of 9 servings a day. You don't need to stay totally away from simple carbs as long as you eat them WITH protein. You don't need to avoid carbs at all and in fact you shouldn't because grains have a lot of good stuff that can help you sway blue. They are very calorie-dense though so if you find that you're gaining too much, you can ease off of them.

In my High-Everything diet plan I am attempting to design it so that people get the most bang for their buck - the most variety of high-quality nutrients, with the least amount of calories (while still in the 2200-2600 range) so no one gains too much weight on this diet.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh I meant to add I haven't seen anything on here about rec'd amount of protein/carbs ... I'd be curious to know if that is somewhere, too!

It is in the Dream Members section along with the diet but I reposted it above.

[atomic sagebrush]

yeha i mean im eating like you are right now (mostly fruits/vegies as my carbs) to lose weight and as im approaching the time to start boy diet i feel like itll be quite similar to now with exception of my decreasing ca and mg and adding salt, potatoes, and bananas and supps. id like to avoid gaining so much weight (esply in case i dont get pg 1st attempt and also bc im starting diet 3 mos ahead of attempt) and im wondering if ppl are gaining bc of the salt or bc they assume (like i do) carbs means bread? i know the high caloric intake would make you gain wieght but it shouldnt soo much if its complex carbs (fruits/vegs) and also if your blood sugar remains constantly even, your metabolism would cater to your eating habits so technically i fyoure eating the same foods and no refined carbs, eating constantly even tho high calorie you really shouldnt be gaining that much weight (in a perfect world!!!). i know the goal is 3-5pounds but thats in muscle yes? and was that estimated weight gain for the minimum 6 week run of the boy diet?
i need numbers ;-)

thx for your response tho. 100g of protein sounds pretty good..

Yes, that's what I'm going for - the best quality sources of carbs that will keep blood glucose up and also help raise testosterone and boost fertility WITHOUT making people gain 10 bazillion pounds eating rice krispies LOL. These tend to be complex carbs like whole grains, fruits and vegetables, but you can eat simple carbs if you like them, as long as you eat protein WITH the carbs. Protein + carbs = boys.

3-5 pounds of muscle is the minimum weight gain - no need to gain more than that BUT you can gain more pounds of muscle, it will only help because muscle burns more calories than fat. I jsut don't want people to gain a lot of fat for health reasons.

[atomic sagebrush]

Gizmo I've been following the TW style diet for months now, really since late last year, and I've gained 7 lbs. So about 1lb a month ... and I can tell maybe 1/2 that is muscle gain and 1/2 is fat. Last night I was trying to ballpark my calories and am figuring I am right about 2300-2500 most days.

I think some people gain more weight b/c they were previously restricting calories while doing loads of cardio, so to increase calories but cut back cardio (particularly with more fat and carbs) seems like it would naturally lead to gaining weight. I've been eating over 2000 calories a day for years and years, the difference is it used to be MUCH more sugar and much less protein. It was not a nutrient rich 2000+ calorie diet :oops:

But just to clarify, you CAN still do cardio in moderation with the blue diet, esp muscle-building cardio like Taebo.

The whole "cardio sways pink" thing that is recommended on another website is an attempt to simplify my info and research and unfortunately it's bad advice and not at all the case.

Moderate exercise, esp. including weight training, while eating a high-everything diet and gaining a bit of weight, sways blue.

Intense exercise or NO exercise while eating a low-everything diet and losing weight sways pink. It's just that it's easier to overdo on cardio than it is on weight training and weight training tends to build muscle except when taken to very great extremes.

Cardio for 45 min 4 times a week will NOT hurt your chances of blue at all and in fact will help both to raise your testosterone and also to keep those cals burning off so you dont' gain a ton of weight.

Begonia, that is just what the science seems to indicate - if it's mostly carbs/sugar it tends to sway pink, if protein + carb + fat, it tends to sway blue. Even if the calories are exactly the same.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for the info Skrimpy, very helpful!

Gizmo I don't think the diet is the reason we've not had a bunch of BFP's ... at least not for those who are doing TW and including ca/mg. And we're having quite the run of BFP's now :happy: But many of the gals on here haven't started TTC yet either so I think that also might make it seem like there are lots of people, but not a lot of BFP's.

Yes, keep in mind this site only went online 6 months ago so very few of us have even begun to sway!

If anything, I hope that we will have higher rates of BFPs more quickly and also perhaps even fewer miscarriages by eating a more balanced, fertility friendly High-Everything diet.

[atomic sagebrush]

I haven't tried yet! My first attempt will be sometime in the next week, depending on my O date. I started the diet back in October 2010 b/c initially we were going to attempt end of November, but some stuff came up and we decided to wait ... so I just stuck with the diet (occasionally having sweets though, esp back during the holidays) since the TW approach is pretty easy to do, and because I wasn't sure when we would decide to TTC... and we've gotten pg once before on accident so I wanted to cover my bases just in case. Anyhow, we just decided a couple of weeks ago to give it a shot this month.

My goal is to have BOTH diets such that you can stay on them indefinitely without killing yourself. The blue diet especially should be something that you can go on and stay on, so you can have more leeway to include timing methods if you like without having to worry about being on the diet for too long.

[atomic sagebrush]

oh okay!! gotchya! ive just been reading a lot about how teh girls on here are having trouble just conceiving and im wondering if its diet related or supplements or age/fertility etc..who knows. good luck this month!

This is just my opinion, but whenever you cut out an entire class of nutrients (cal, mag, Vit D, etc.) from your diet, that HAS to affect your fertility negatively. Toss in the fact that a lot of blue swayers are being told that eating hot dogs, bacon, ramen, iceberg lettuce, and rice krispies with Coffeemate while drinking Alka Seltzer 6 times a day is the way to conceive a boy and it is no surprise that people are having trouble conceiving.

[gizmo77]

This is just my opinion, but whenever you cut out an entire class of nutrients (cal, mag, Vit D, etc.) from your diet, that HAS to affect your fertility negatively. Toss in the fact that a lot of blue swayers are being told that eating hot dogs, bacon, ramen, iceberg lettuce, and rice krispies with Coffeemate while drinking Alka Seltzer 6 times a day is the way to conceive a boy and it is no surprise that people are having trouble conceiving.

that makes sense plus all the hormonal changing supps.