Finalizing sway plan- quick question about frequency

[RubyTuesday]

Hi ladies!
So after a year of reading and planning- this month we will be officially TTC a girl. I'm pretty happy with my sway plan but I can't seem to make up my mind about what frequency pattern to go with.

I know lately Atomic has been suggesting people drop frequency all together and just focus on one attempt at +OPK but after months of reading about FR, I can't wrap my mind around anything else. I guess I'm just looking for some advice/reassurance about what exactly to do regarding frequency.

Thanks!!

[bethwade]

This for me too! I feel like FR is too much for my dh, but am afraid one attempt won't be enough :-/

[Mrsandmama]

One attempt at + opk has the best results so this is what I'm planning to do. My dh could never do FR and I wouldn't want him to anyway. If you are worried about only one attempt I would forgo any douches, rephresh, sylk, etc and don't j&d.

[RubyTuesday]

Thanks for the responses ladies! My husband and I did a test run with the FR last month and we both found it exhausting!! So I'm glad the stats are showing that it's not that important!

I guess my main question though would be, what kind of release pattern should we shoot for before +OPK? I was originally thinking we would do a release EOD starting on CD6 and have our attempt on CD14- but I'm not sure if that's the best plan or not. Does anyone have a frequency pattern plan they feel awesome about and want to share?

[greeneyes]

I think DTD EOD sways blue. You could try the sperm meets egg plan and go for every four days...


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[rainbowflower]

Atomic has been recommending DTD every 4 days then another attempt at pos OPK - best of both worlds

[atomic sagebrush]

A LOT of things have to come into consideration when deciding what frequency to use. Age, health, what your husband is willing/able to do, and so on.

If you really can't wrap your brain aroudn trying without frequency, then by all means include it. But PLEASE don't get 2 BFN with frequency + one attempt and then decide "Oh I can't get pg this way" and start adding attempts. And please be cautious on diet and don't be overly strict with yoruself because the odds are that you are not going to get pg doing everything and you will waste away to nothing and stop ovulating before you ever get in an attempt with a decent shot of conception.

[atomic sagebrush]

This for me too! I feel like FR is too much for my dh, but am afraid one attempt won't be enough :-/

One attempt IS enough if you do it at the right time and don't use 7 zillion other sway tactics (most of which have gotten barely better than 50-50 anyway)

One attempt is sitting at 75% regardless of timing and frequency. I and several others got girls DTD every 4 days thru the cycle, because it means you effectively have one real attempt in fertile window.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for the responses ladies! My husband and I did a test run with the FR last month and we both found it exhausting!! So I'm glad the stats are showing that it's not that important!

I guess my main question though would be, what kind of release pattern should we shoot for before +OPK? I was originally thinking we would do a release EOD starting on CD6 and have our attempt on CD14- but I'm not sure if that's the best plan or not. Does anyone have a frequency pattern plan they feel awesome about and want to share?

I think that it's best to have DH release or DTD protected, every 4 days and then have one attempt at pos OPK (regardless of whether that shakes out to 4 days after last release or not)

I would not have him release every other day, I think for big producers that could inadvertently sway blue and for guys who take longer to recover, could possibly be too depleting.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think DTD EOD sways blue. You could try the sperm meets egg plan and go for every four days...


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:agree: this is DTD UNprotected though. if having DH release on his own or using barrier method birth control, it is ok to do more frequent releases. The DTD unprotected every 4 days ensures that there will ever only be one real attempt in fertile window regardless of when ovulation occurs

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic has been recommending DTD every 4 days then another attempt at pos OPK - best of both worlds

:agree: for anyone who needs to increase odds of conception (such as they are on Clomid) or is having a hard time pinpointing ovulation. But for people just starting off TTC then I would stick to one and only one attempt at pos OPK if at all possible

[RubyTuesday]

Thanks so much for your input Atomic!! I think we will go with a release every 4 days and one attempt at +OPK. I getting so nervous- I should ovulate next weekend!!

[SpottyBear]

Sorry just butting in!

We plan to start ttc next month. I'm having trouble pinning down ovulation, my cycles are average 31 days over the last year and a half but go from 27-40 days long and are never the same length each time. I have tried OPKS but dont always see a positive. I always see the 2nd line getting darker and then almost as dark but only seen a positive a few times. I didnt see EWCM last cycle but have seen it other cycles. I dont know that I do ovulate every month and I know its under threat because of my low weight. DH will be 38 in March.

Anyway I'm thinking from reading above that dtd every 4 days unprotected and on the +opk day IF I see it would be best for me - is that right?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes Mamer, I think that is the best bet for you. :) Good luck, I can't wait to see you back with BFP!

[SpottyBear]

Thanks very much for your help as always Atomic :-) Great to have a solid plan in place now!

[bethwade]

One attempt IS enough if you do it at the right time and don't use 7 zillion other sway tactics (most of which have gotten barely better than 50-50 anyway)

One attempt is sitting at 75% regardless of timing and frequency. I and several others got girls DTD every 4 days thru the cycle, because it means you effectively have one real attempt in fertile window.

Is there a certain time of day I should be taking my opk?

[greeneyes]

I heard second morning urine after a four hour hold is best. With that said I usually use fmu. I plan on doing fmu and then testing again in the evening around dinner or before bed during my attempt cycles.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Is there a certain time of day I should be taking my opk?

double check the brand of your OPK to be sure because there is one kind that does need FMU, but most are best after lunch.

[Rosie85]

So the one attempt at opk....can this be done with abstaining or is this best done with the every 4 days release only? Or does it not matter much? My husband and I fall get pregnant VERY easily.

[atomic sagebrush]

the number of attempts is divorced from the frequency, so you can do both, one or the other, or neither.

[ThinkPink2014]

For a first attempt at TTC a girl, is the every 4 day release with one attempt at a positive OPK preferable to FR every day 7-10 days prior to a positive OPK (also one attempt)? Or is the latter preferable assuming it's doable? I was considering the following:

DH releases independently once a day from maybe the end of my period to a positive OPK (nursing is giving me longer cycles of around 35 days and I've never used an OPK before, so I'm not confident about pinpointing ovulation) plus maybe even one release the day of the OPK before our one attempt. In terms of other sway tactics, I was just thinking LE diet, fiber, Metformin, Rephresh and the approved vitamins. Possibly an antihistamine. No Clomid, saw palmetto, peppermint tea, aspirin, cran, Vitex, licorice root for DH, etc.

[atomic sagebrush]

I simply don't have the data to be able to say clearly what things sway more than other things.

A lot of people want to give it a try the first month doing everything they can in their power to sway and expect a BFN so they will have no regrets. As long as you keep the one attempt, I think any combo you feel comfy with is ok. What I DON'T want to see is people doing tons of strict stuff and then having more attempts to make up for it. One attempt appears to be doing the heavy lifting here and so any sway tactics shoudl be in addition to one attempt, not in lieu of it.

If you do go with the daily release plan, DO NOT have him release again before your attempt, you will have little to no chance of conception.

[poppys5]

Hi sorry im getting really confused lack of sleep due to ds 3 not sleeping very well sorry i cant think straight! So lets say i ovulate cd18 i dtd cd 13 and then again cd17 would that be correct with dh finishing inside me both times or just on the cd17? Also if i have no idea when i ovulate as i have irregular cycles and may ov more like cd21should i attempt again then as it would be 4 days again since last attempt?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, that's right. whether to have him finish in you is up to you. If you have irregular cycles, you can see that having him release inside every 4 days will guard against missing ovulation, such as having attempt CD 13 you are covered if you O CD 14 and 5, even up to day 16/17. then if you don't O till CD 18, you have attempt CD 17 and are covered cd 18, 19, even up to 20/21 and so on

[poppys5]

Great thank-you for reply, thats what i plan to do then as my cycles can be all over the place opks stress me out as i would sometimes get false positives so i think dtd every 4 days will be perfect for me!

[atomic sagebrush]

not sure if I mentioned but that's what worked for me getting my DD. good luck

[dreamingofwin]

Sorry another Q

There is no mention of abstaining for 7+ days? This was what I thought was best. I really want to get preg quick but will do whatever it takes to have the best chance of pink.

Hubby has no issues abstaining although FR is too much for him so are we best abstaining? x

[atomic sagebrush]

oh there's plenty of mention of it, just not in this thread.

If your husband is under 35 then abstain is fine. If he's over 35, I don't think it's safe enough option for my liking and you can read about that here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/8801-articles-studies-about-why-abstain-not-good-males-over-35-a.html