Commonalities between those TTC pink but got Blue

[Christi]

Okay, so I am a bit of an excel nerd, and just generally like analyzing data.... so I have been analyzing the people who bought personalized plans to TTC a girl, but ended up with a boy. This is a very small sample size (5 people), but I wanted to see if I noticed any common threads about what those 5 people had in common. Here is what I noticed:

None of them used Vitex Berry
None of them used Saw Palmetto
None of them used Calcium/Magnesium
4 of the 5 had 3 attempts, the 5th only had 1 attempt
4 of the 5 did NOT use RepHresh
4 of the 5 did NOT use licorice root for DH

Of the 5, two of them had been TTC for more than 7 cycles, so I imagine that after having that many BFN show up they probably backed off some of their sway tactics because it was preventing them from getting pregnant.

Obviously, I don't know that this means anything specifically, but I just thought it was interesting to see the commonalities between this small subset of people.

[LilithWiser1979]

While I really appreciate what you're trying to do here (believe me, I did something similar with the pink exercise sway stats) I think atomic discourages this kind of scrutiny for a couple of reasons.

#1: it's a very Martha thing to do. We boy moms are so into analyzing, researching and overthinking everything as a group, that this behavior in and of itself may sway blue. Check out her Maternal Dominance essay if what I'm saying doesn't make sense to you.

#2: this is why IG was such an unfriendly place for swayers. I think atomic worded it "everyone descended like vultures to pick apart failed sways and point to what wasn't done perfectly." It was awful. Women were obsessively trying to do every sway tactic to a T, and that in and of itself was probably working against them. It also made women feel ashamed and like failures when they swayed and knew they'd done one or two things less-than-perfectly. We know from the "lazy sways" that women post that it's entirely possible to get your DG without a picture-perfect sway, and everyone knows women who naturally get both genders without swaying at all.

Like I said, I'm not trying to make you feel bad for analyzing the results like this, but there are reasons why it's generally discouraged. Good luck with your sway!

[girliedreamz]

Very interesting. I'll admit, I tend to pick things apart a bit, too...it's too hard not to sometimes. :) I wish I could be a lazier swayer.

[carmella_marie]

One of my boys I was talking cal/mag (atomic has a boy from this too!)

My second failed sway I was taking vitex and SP and rephresh.

There is no magic combination that will work every time, if it were that simple we'd have figured it out by now!

[txmomof3beautifulboys]

Thanks, Christi, for putting that info together. It's interesting to see!

[Christi]

LilithWiser1979, thank you for your reply. I didn't even think about the fact that my analysis could be viewed as criticizing any of the women who had opposites. I certainly didn't intend it that way!

[Gidgetbeach]

Thanks for sharing your data analysis, all much appreciated. I feel very relaxed about my sway with people to analyse data for me and share their knowledge in general. I've been so relaxed with my sway that I missed O about three months in a row despite my strict diet and daily one hour high impact cardio. Actually I think the exercise made me too tired to care about conception! Good luck with your journey:)

[maidentomother]

Christi, I too am fascinated by 'failed' pink sways. I have read nearly all if not all of them, and while I didn't keep official notes, I observed the following:

- about 60% had more than one BD attempt in the fertile period
- about 30% didn't do the LE diet or admitted to doing it loosely
- about 10% seemed to do everything perfectly but still got boys

This suggests to me that following the diet properly and having one attempt, with few or no other sway factors, pink swaying could have a 90% success rate. Of course my numbers are guesstimates, but I think they're decent ones!

(While I agree it is interesting - and great! - when lazy sways succeed, I find failed strict sways to be the most informative by far. Failed blue sways are also fascinating, as they reveal how one might get a girl despite boy-friendly tactics.)

[Gidgetbeach]

Thanks also to maidentomother. I'd sort of come up with that % too from reading the spreadsheet. Who knew how good we'd get at data analysis!? Amazing when you have a real purpose.

[Christi]

maidentomother, thank you for the great ideas about looking at the failed boy sways. I agree that there definitely seems like there is something to the 1 attempt, so I want to look at the stats on the successful sways to see what the number of attempts stats show. It would be interesting to see if it is mostly 1 or just a hodge podge. I will report back when I have further analysis.

[weeziewoozles]

Interesting. I kinda want to look at all that but am trying not to be a Martha. My failed sway was a strict LE diet with hardly any cheats but no Vitex or Saw Palmetto as I didn't think I needed them as my cycles were fine. Hope you spot a patted that can help us

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[atomic sagebrush]

I would say the number one thing that causes people to sway pink and get blue is going through and analyzing spreadsheet data. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

NO ONE GO THROUGH AND ANALYZE DATA IF YOU ARE SWAYING. EVER. If you are preggo and bored, then yeah ok. Not if you are actively swaying or will be within the next 3 months. A kajillion other people have already done so and there is nothing new there.

I can't say it any more strongly than that. Trust me, hundreds if not thousands of women have gone through and done exactly that looking for some magical combination of sway tactics that will be a magic bullet. IT DOESN'T EXIST. The main factor in a failed sway is BAD LUCK. That's it. Nothing more amazing than that. There is nothing you can control or uncover that is going to guarantee your sway will succeed. If swaying could ever be any type of sure thing, the entire human race would have died out a long time ago, the first time the tribe camped near the vitex bush (which our nearest biological relative, the chimpanzee, actually does regularly.)

I do not want anyone taking any information from 5 freaking people and extrapolating that to anything. 5 people is not a scientific sample size. 50 people is not a scientific sample size. Look at the data we are getting that is getting into the hundreds. That is what tells us stuff. Aside from that, there are serious and important reasons why I do not give custom sway people particular herbs/medications in their plans. The implication that I am in some way shortchanging them or setting them up for failure is not terribly cool from my perspective (I know that was not your intention BTW) and also sets them up to take things that are not right for their health and well being behind my back when I can't help them.

I have been doing this for going on 7 years now and while I appreciate that one should never trust any authority figure, at the same time I feel like I am a little bit of an "eye in the sky" on sway tactics and I have a feel for it and a passion that goes so far beyond anything that is represented in any spreadsheet anywhere. I started this journey back on Ingender and my experience encompasses both that plus a lot of other experiences that are not always contained in a simple spreadsheet (including blue swayers and a lot of people who never posted a sway) I am very far from the font of all earthly knowledge and always welcome any questions/concerns but boy oh boy do I hate to see you lovely ladies undermining your sways by going all "Martha" on a spreadsheet when I know from experience, observation, and common sense that it's just not that informative.

Re one attempt - yep, I was dead wrong on that. When I first came to this site I knew it couldn't be timing that was swaying because it was biologically impossible. But at the same time, enough people claimed timing was working for them that I decided, ok if timing doesn't work, what is? Frequency patterns seemed the most likely and I had people give it a try. It didn't cross my mind at that point that it could be number of attempts. My bad. But as soon as I realized that one attempt was getting way better numbers, I did a complete 180 and began advocating for one attempt as vociferously as I could. (and I think the ladies who got boys doing more than one attempt are HEROES because if not for them we would not know what we do today.) You guys have my word that I will do the same for any strong sway pattern that I see.

Thus, Marthas of the world, while I know it's difficult, I beseech you to trust me that I am constantly studying and pondering and wondering about swaying and how it all fits together and that I always always have your best interests at heart, both for safety and for swaying.

[Christi]

Atomic, thank you for your lengthy explanation. And of course, you are right, I never meant to suggest that you some how short changed anyone in their custom sways. In fact, I was looking at the custom sways because those were the ones that presumably had the very best advice--from you!! I know it comes down to bad luck when a sway doesn't work out, but i was still curious to see what the differences/commonalities were.

We all appreciate what you do here on GenderDreaming and know you have our best interests at heart. I apologize if I have caused any offense to you.

[weeziewoozles]

I would say the number one thing that causes people to sway pink and get blue is going through and analyzing spreadsheet data. :)

Ha ha ha! Brilliant! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not offended at all and I know that was not your intention, Christi. But you remember when and why you were worried about the cranberry vs. OLE, right? So I don't want anyone who I did not give V and SP reading this thread and then panicking or thinking I'm taking chances with their sways in any way.