Girl without LE diet?

[blueeyedguys]

I saw another thread about whether people got girls without exercising, so I thought I'd see if people got them without the diet. What if you do 6x week exercise & cut down everything, lose weight but don't actually do the diet? Has anyone tried & gotten a girl?

I'm still trying to figure out what I'm going to try. If anything; we have 4 boys already & we're over 40. I can barely get a meal for everyone together most nights, much less a separate one for me.

Another stupid question. On the "skipping breakfast" thing. How many hours after waking up do most people go without eating?

Thank you.

[essnce629]

I can't answer the first question as I don't have a girl yet and I am doing the LE diet.

For the skipping breakfast, I normally wake up at 7am during the week and don't eat anything at all till noon. So I go 5 hours from wake up to first meal. At night we eat dinner early at 5pm and then I don't eat after that, so I go about 18 hours without eating. I do 2 meals total, lunch and dinner. No snacking.

[stephk]

My friend with 2 girls has never heard of the LE diet and has never skipped a meal in her life. Of my other friends with girls, only two out of four are dieters and drink diet coke. So that's 5 ladies I know and only two dieters. Two of these are South African so eat meat constantly!

You have to remember that people have girls effortlessly all the time. What we are doing with diet, exercise etc is just upping our odds a bit.

On your other question, I get up at 515, have a coffee then go to the gym. I then eat at 12/1230 after a 16 hour fast. Atomic recommends fasting for 12-16 hours at times that suit you - there are no magic times for eating it's something to fit around your normal routine if you can do it. I started off fasting for 14 hours then gradually got to 16. I wouldn't recommend fasting for longer than that.

[angielorna]

I don't have a girl, I am doing the diet. I eat my last meal around 7 p.m. at night (sometimes as late as 9) and do not have anything until 12-12:30 the next day. (so anywhere between 15-17 hours). I try really hard not to snack, but am not always successful.

Good luck!
Angie

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, you absolutely can get a girl wihtout changing your diet. You can get a girl at any point in time wihtout doing anything to sway.

Honestly, I didn't even want to make a diet but everyone insisted that I do so. You do not need to follow that diet. it's just an example. All you need to do is move in the direction of less nutrients, without cutting back too far, and it's all good.

When i was doing diet with my 4 boys and husband, I simply cooked normal foods and then I only ate the side dishes. I had no problem doing that and it worked for me.

There is no set amount of time to skip breakfast. Just go with what works for you.

[ThreeMenAndALAdy]

I too got a girl without knowing about the le diet. I was exercising and the thinnest I had been since befor having kids. Good luck to you.

[WantingPink]

I didn't follow a diet per say however, I did change how I eat. With the boys I would eat very healthy and all the time. Constant snacking on something (usually almonds or fruit). I ate meat at least once a day as well as fruits and veggies. With both my girls I ate more refined carbs and "quick" meals and less meat. These "meals" were smaller because I can't eat very many refined carbs without gaining a bunch of weight. Overall my diet was based on things that I could eat quickly and weren't high in nutrition. I also made a conscious effort to drink more alcohol. Probably averaged 1-2 drinks per day/5 days a week. I am not a good recipe/diet follower. I am more of a person who gets the big picture and then I eat what I like from there.

[blueeyedguys]

Thank you very much for the replies! I really appreciate it. I normally go from around midnight/1am to around 3/4 pm without eating, so that's close to the amount of time everyone seems to be doing.

I have never even tried to lose weight before/while ttc, so I think that aspect seems likely to help. I'm also extremely sedentary, so I was already planning more exercise, so maybe getting a girl is even more incentive.

The side dish only thing is one I hadn't thought of and would work at least some of the time. We often only have (baked) fries or some pasta for a side dish. Pretty sure I'd need more calories & nutrition than that. :)

Basically, I'm considering trying everything that's the opposite of what we did with the boys, plus whatever else I can find that we can safely do with our medical issues (hypothyroid/chronic fatigue for me, type 1 diabetes & high blood pressure for dh).

[WantingPink]

That is kind of the approach I took. I looked at what I did with the boys and then what was getting good girl results. If it was the opposite of what I was doing than that is what I did. I stopped exercising, started eating poorly, and drinking a lot:) I also happened to quit a very stressful job to become a SAHM at the time DS2 was born which I think helped also.

[atomic sagebrush]

Re side dishes, you are going to need to think outside the box a bit and sometimes do something like add in a salad or a yogurt or whatever you're low on. When I said I only ate side dishes, I meant that as a basic guideline and not some hard and fast rule that you needed to follow to the letter.

I really REALLY hate the "do the opposite" idea. Sometimes you get boys not BECAUSE of things you did, but in SPITE of them (you were doing things that may have swayed pink, but just also doing stuff that swayed blue more) and so it is silly to do the opposite if the opposite will be more blue friendly than where you started out!!

[haymon2and1]

Were you real strict with how many times a day you ate? Im having trouble not snacking. And did you keep up with fat grams?

[blueeyedguys]

I can't think of anything we did with them that wasn't more blue sway related or kind of neutral except for having just come off the pill with ds1. I also had miscarriages before ds2 & ds3, but neither the pill nor losses are things I'm willing to do to get a girl. And dh isn't willing to take up smoking again (he quit just before we met)

Other than that, I've been sedentary with all my kids & even when we were eating what I consider a lot less healthy with ds1, I was still getting decent amounts of protein, lots of carbs & enough calories.

I never did j&d or took fiber or antihistamines or frequent release, etc. So doing anything I've read so far to sway girl would be the opposite of what we've done before.

[haymon2and1]

Were you real strict with how many times a day you ate? Im having trouble not snacking. And did you keep up with fat grams?

Wantingpink - this question was for you haha. I forgot to reply to your actual comment :-)

[princessCharlotte]

yes there is. my friend who just found out she is preg with a girl (her #1 is boy) did not know LE diet. she is red meat lover (beef), fruits lover, always have breadfast. The only thing she did for sway is 4days cut off (sheatles method). Mine is failed sheatles method as I did not know LE diet before conceived DS2.
I can say is pure luck.
no matter how we sway, there is 20% of luck!

[maidentomother]

I think the most important dietary factors for a pink sway are overall calories and healthy (saturated and monosaturated) fat consumption. Reduce these two factors as much as you can and you have a good shot at a girl, IMO.

I am considering intermittent fasting (eating every other day, essentially) with a basically gender neutral diet - I am very curious if that alone is enough to sway pink. I will try it, if possible, when I sway for my second child...if/when that happens!

I do think that the diet is more important for some than others; with 4 boys, I'd personally follow the LE very strictly if I wanted a girl badly. I bet that women who have high cal & fat diets who have all girls, have girls DESPITE their diets, bc some other factor is swaying very strongly pink for them.

[PrimalMamma]

I'm really interested in this thread. I suffer with depression & anxiety & have found that eating a high protein diet keeps those symptoms under control. Since going LE I've become increasingly anxious & depressed & this morning I had a full blown panic attack. I'm considering going back to eating meat but counting calories & keeping them low, rather than following LE strictly. I'm so anxious my husband is starting to hint that he doesn't think we should even have another baby but I'm convinced its just the diet making me crazy.


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[kitkat18]

Oh primal mama that sucks!! Being really stressed also sways blue ask atomics advice but lowering totals overall but still eating protein might be the safest bet for you, I have had anxiety and its no fun, you have to put your own health first! Good luckxx

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[sugarNspice]

I've conceived two girls while eating how I normally eat (I've been vegetarian for over 20 years, love cheese, but eat tons and tons of vegetables), and two girls while following a not-very-strict version of the LE diet (lower cals and fat, but not counting anything too carefully). I conceived one time when following the LE diet absolutely perfectly--super strictly and with EVERYTHING I ate recorded and accounted for. That pregnancy was a chromosomally abnormal boy.
I've always thought that following the general guideliness--fewer calories, less fat, weight loss--was much more important than keeping the diet perfectly.
I did not restrict protein when I conceived the girl I'm carrying right now.

[Junie]

Primalmamma - you should definitely ask Atomic if she has some ideas. I really believe that your health is the most important thing so if the diet is having such serious effects I would try to alter it so that it is not affecting you so much.

We're only able to push the odds in our favor and there will ALWAYS be luck involved with swaying. So if you need to eat more protein but try and stick to one try,etc you could still have an awesome sway and push the odds enough that you get the desired gender.

[maidentomother]

Primalmama, I think eating more protein but within the restricted cals and still eating low fat should give you a good shot. Even some change sways girl, it doesn't necessarily need to be extreme.

[atomic sagebrush]

BEing stressed does not sway blue.

Being a control freak does sway blue. And that is stressful for some people. But "stress" in and of itself (chronic, unremitting stress over circumstances that are out of your contorl) has actually been shown in studies to sway pink.

[atomic sagebrush]

Answered Primal in custom forum but for anyone else asking same q:

Above all else you have to do what is right for you and your overall health. Some people get girls eating straight off boy diet and vice versa, and making ANY change in a pink-friendly direction, no matter how small, is STILL swaying and will still up your odds of pink.

[6bluewant1pink]

I don't have my girl yet :wink: but I'm not taking a chance eating like food is going out of style lol. That's how I got my 7 boys. I can't chance eating the way I have for over 13 + years. I believe in low calories increasing chances greatly for a girl! I have a few friends who had boys that ate how I eat then started eating less calories have girls!

[blueeyedguys]

I've been doing a lot of reading & thinking since posting this question and it seems to be that the main reason diets & exercise sway pink is that they trick your body into thinking resources are limited. Not so
limited you shouldn't conceive, obviously, but limited enough that a girl is a better bet.

It makes sense biologically & anthropologically to me. In times of reduced resources our ancestors would, of course have been eating a lot less. They would also have been moving more, looking for food. Men would likely have been gone longer tracking game. We know now that baby girls take in less calories from nursing than baby boys and women in general require fewer calories. It makes sense that female fetuses would also use fewer calories. So fewer resources=more girls because the mother is more likely to be able to provide enough nutrition and if the food shortage continues, a girl is more likely to survive it.

Hopefully that makes sense? It makes more sense to me than testosterone & muscles mass, except as those are affected by a poor diet & more exercise to find food.

So, with all that, if dh agrees to try once more, I now plan to at least cut down what I eat. Hopefully as much as I did when I had mono last month & could barely eat, but as much as I can while dramatically increasing exercise

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, you got it!! That is the point of the LE Diet! I agree I am not convinced that testosterone has anything to do with it. I think it's fertility improving/declining.

Have you read this yet? You may enjoy it - basically what you just said except a lot more wordy! :) http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/12340-understanding-trivers-willard-hypothesis.html

[onebigwish]

Yes, you got it!! That is the point of the LE Diet! I agree I am not convinced that testosterone has anything to do with it. I think it's fertility improving/declining.

Have you read this yet? You may enjoy it - basically what you just said except a lot more wordy! :) http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/12340-understanding-trivers-willard-hypothesis.html

but why women with pcos are tend to have more Boys? woman with pcos are not very fertile and ist also not the Testosteron so i dont get it :(

[aidansmum]

I did not follow LE either, I did 3 months of LitenEasy, just low cal but got a bit slack so to make up for the weight I was having trouble losing I started eating crap food, stuff like noodles, empty carbs, fillers, tons of diet coke, flat breads, awful diet really, not nutritious at all! But still kept calories in check though. That and supplements. And no exercise.

[blueeyedguys]

I did read it actually. The day after I posted, of course! lol

Very interesting. I'm really in awe of how much work you've put in, not just finding so much info, but also writing it out & replying to everyone. I can't imagine how much time that has taken!

[atomic sagebrush]

but why women with pcos are tend to have more Boys? woman with pcos are not very fertile and ist also not the Testosteron so i dont get it :(

I am talking about normal ranges here. PCOS is almost like too much of a good thing. Too high blood sugar, often too much weight gain, too much testosterone. The body acts in strange ways and is not subject to the same rules that I was referring to.

[atomic sagebrush]

I have a long explanation about PCOS and swaying here, including some speculation about the evolutionary origins and why it might be "smart" for some of our genes to sway blue on a higher carb diet, especially when the majority of others are getting girls eating mostly carbs: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html