how to increase odds of conception ttc girl

[BlessedMomma]

Hey all. Im currently in my 2ww 12dpo but I know im out because I have my usualy af cramps and a big fat negative opk .I refuse to take a hpt because I know there will only b 1 line. Ive loosened up on my sway alot because its taking so long to get pregnant. Im sticking to the diet just not so hardcore. Im not taking any supplements or using any lubricants. Honestly at this point I just want a baby girl or boy. So I wanted to ask how often can I have sex during fertile period to increase chances of conceiving and b girl friendly? Is it even possible?:worry:

[Abifasc]

How long have you been trying? I got pregnant on our 2nd month trying with only one attempt at +opk. So it is possible! What other factors are you using when you make your attempt?

[BlessedMomma]

This is my 3rd month trying. Last month we had 2 attempts once on positive opk and the day after. Ive only been doing the diet nothing else. :(

[BlessedMomma]

Congrats on your pregnancy! Hoping for a baby girl for u

[sweetdream]

I did a pretty strict sway in the last month trying I dropped Vitex. and got Pg. we tried for 5months. (with one attempt)

[BlessedMomma]

Sweet dream were all 5 months trying with just 1 attempt??

[Abifasc]

It took 3 months trying every day with multiple attempts during the fertile period to get pregnant with my last son and only two months with one attempt for this baby. I don't think more sex definitely means you'll get pregnant faster. Are you doing j&d or anything like that? If so, maybe drop that.

[deaks66]

Some women ovulate quite some time after first positve opk. For example I ovulate sometime between 48 and 72 hours later. So it might mean you need more attempts after your first one as you could just be cutting off too early. Ask atomic but if you are struggling you need to get more attempts in quickly before you drop too much more of your sway.

[FutureMiniMe]

You also might want to continue taking OPKs once you get a positive to know when it's negative again. That would let you know how long your fertile window is (if you don't know already). That way if you get +OPKs for more than three or four days you can make a second attempt.

[BlessedMomma]

Thank u for the replies ladies. Im gonna invest in some wondfo opks so I can make sure of when im ovulating and for how long im fertile. Im just scared if I only make 1 attempt and its at the wrong time that I wont get pregnant again.

[deaks66]

Unless you are very sure of your cycles, one attempt is risky. Before I knew about my delayed ov I was doing one cut off attempt for ages to no avail and then when I worked out ov might be delayed I tried for one attempt at 0+12 but kept hitting ov exactly.

[sweetdream]

Sweet dream were all 5 months trying with just 1 attempt??

Yes! Last one was every 4 days and I think the attempt that got me pg is 1 day before o

[atomic sagebrush]

My advice is switch to the every 4 days plus one more attempt at pos OPK.

[atomic sagebrush]

Unless you are very sure of your cycles, one attempt is risky. Before I knew about my delayed ov I was doing one cut off attempt for ages to no avail and then when I worked out ov might be delayed I tried for one attempt at 0+12 but kept hitting ov exactly.

Right, but we aren't DOING cutoff timing and are certainly not doing O+12 (which has pisspoor odds of conception). We are doing one attempt at positive OPK because it has BEST odds of conception. It is absolutely completely possible to get pregnant with one attempt and in fact it's easily done provided that you aren't doing gobs of other sway tactics at the same time. One batch of semen can have tens to even hundreds of millions of sperm in it.

[atomic sagebrush]

This is my 3rd month trying. Last month we had 2 attempts once on positive opk and the day after. Ive only been doing the diet nothing else. :(

It takes fully fertile couples doing nothing to sway, an average of 3-6 months to fall pregnant. I would not start adding attempts just yet. I would actually prefer to see you add some Preseed instead of more than 2 attempts!

[atomic sagebrush]

Some women ovulate quite some time after first positve opk. For example I ovulate sometime between 48 and 72 hours later. So it might mean you need more attempts after your first one as you could just be cutting off too early. Ask atomic but if you are struggling you need to get more attempts in quickly before you drop too much more of your sway.

Our results have shown that one attempt (regardless of timing) has gotten consistently good results and so we are now erring on the side of fewer attempts. :) It has nothing to do with either Shettles or O+12 timing, this is our numbers only regardless of the timing of attempt. New method, not the old crap that wasn't working. :)

[BlessedMomma]

Thank u atomic I like the sound of every 4 days and 1bd at positive opk. Just to make sure I understand correctly. Do me and my husband bd every 4th day then 1 at pos opk. And what if pos opk is the day after bding (4th day) or 2 days after? And what exactly does preseed do?. Ive never tried it

[BlessedMomma]

Sweet dream lets hope it works for me like it did for u!!! Thank u for all of the replies ladies. And sorry if im asking too many questions. I just wanna get this right

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank u atomic I like the sound of every 4 days and 1bd at positive opk. Just to make sure I understand correctly. Do me and my husband bd every 4th day then 1 at pos opk. And what if pos opk is the day after bding (4th day) or 2 days after? And what exactly does preseed do?. Ive never tried it

Yes. Even if it's the day after BD or 2 days after (if you want to be in with best odds of conception, that is)

Preseed is a sperm friendly vaginal lubricant. It is a bit boy friendly but when people really do need a little help getting sperm to meet egg, it can be a way to help make that happen. :)

[deaks66]

I wasn't suggesting the poster DO cut off I was just trying to explain that if she had any kind of delayed ov then by stopping (that's probably the word I should have used) at +opk might be too soon.

[deaks66]

I also wasn't promoting o+12 just saying what had happened to me when I did try to use that method during delayed ov.

[atomic sagebrush]

I also wasn't promoting o+12 just saying what had happened to me when I did try to use that method during delayed ov.

Oh I know deaks, I just wanted to let you know that the reason we are doing all this isn't about timing any more, it's about getting the best odds of conception with one attempt. Weirdly, the one attempt has really seemed to be effective. (no clue why)

[deaks66]

I know :)

So atomic, do u feel o+12 is unnecessary or is it just that it makes conception more difficult? I was hoping for a single attempt at o+12-20 simply because I have 3 x ov day boys and Im petrified to let dh near me on ov!

[blackbekki]

Nice to see 1 attempt at +opk is seeing results. That's what I've done an now my cervix is high and closed fx the little x sperm got to the egg :) x


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[lyagirl]

Is bding every 4 days a bit more boy friendly as its more than one attempt? (This may be a silly question but im tired lol)

[myurkanin817]

I don't believe so. It's every other day or every three days is boy friendly I think. Every four days is having one attempt in your fertile window still. I'm not 100% sure though but I think I saw that somewhere.

[carmella_marie]

Bding every 4 days is the exact same as one attempt, it is not boy friendly. You're only fertile about 4 days so by bd every 4 days you naturally have one attempt in your fertile window without worrying about opks and when you actually o.

I think adding attempts needs to be the last thing dropped. With each added attempt the odds of a dd drops so much! The stats are so crazy!

[lyagirl]

So are u saying don't go the every four days route unless it's the last resort? :)


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[BlessedMomma]

I think every 4 days is what alot of people are doing. Because ur inly dtd on 1 fertile day and for some reason it sways girl. So its not more then 1 attempt. And I think carmella is saying dont add more attempts in that fertile window because chances of having a girl decrease the more u bd in ur fertile window

[deaks66]

so essentially my one off attempt at o+12 would be a good thing providing sperm catch egg? and if it doesnt the 4 day rule would be next best so as to catch egg but still sway girl with the one attempt?

[Mrs_Incredible]

Deaks I think its the added stress trying to pinpoint O+12, along with a higher chance of missing the egg and wasting a month on le/exercise. Xx
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[deaks66]

Yes that was definately true of my previous swaying days but there is something different this time round...im actually scared of getting pg... so if it doesnt happen i wont be stressed iykwim? im in no rush to get pg and hear boy


Deaks I think its the added stress trying to pinpoint O+12, along with a higher chance of missing the egg and wasting a month on le/exercise. Xx
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[Mrs_Incredible]

Well I was the same! Bought my plan nov 2012 and first attempt was 12 mths later xx


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[atomic sagebrush]

I know :)

So atomic, do u feel o+12 is unnecessary or is it just that it makes conception more difficult? I was hoping for a single attempt at o+12-20 simply because I have 3 x ov day boys and Im petrified to let dh near me on ov!

In that case you may as well take a birth control pill.

O+12 does not work, it doesn't sway, it makes it impossible to get pregnant when done correctly (it is biologically impossible that people are getting pregnant with it - REALLY. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/35539-no-12-a.html) and the ONLY reason it has ever appeared to do anything is because one attempt sways so strongly pink. WE are getting great results with one attempt, regardless of the day of conception. I got my daughter from one attempt late at night (ovulated some time the next day) classic Shettles boy timing.

So why not have one attempt when you actually have a chance to conceive??? Any time before ovulation, you are at least in with a chance. If you go for O+20 (and actually manage to DO it, which is highly doubtful because it is impossilbe to pinpoint ovulation like that without an ultrasound machine) you have utterly no chance of conceiving. at least with a cutoff you have a chance.

[atomic sagebrush]

Deaks I think its the added stress trying to pinpoint O+12, along with a higher chance of missing the egg and wasting a month on le/exercise. Xx
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yes yes let's not overlook the "swaycession" factor - in order to do O+12 you have to practically go nutty monitoring and watching and getting all worked up for having this perfectly timed attempt...TERRIBLE for pink. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/33517-maternal-dominance-hypothesis-priviledged-daughter-hypothesis.html

[deaks66]

In that case you may as well take a birth control pill.

O+12 does not work, it doesn't sway, it makes it impossible to get pregnant when done correctly (it is biologically impossible that people are getting pregnant with it - REALLY. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/35539-no-12-a.html) and the ONLY reason it has ever appeared to do anything is because one attempt sways so strongly pink. WE are getting great results with one attempt, regardless of the day of conception. I got my daughter from one attempt late at night (ovulated some time the next day) classic Shettles boy timing.

So why not have one attempt when you actually have a chance to conceive??? Any time before ovulation, you are at least in with a chance. If you go for O+20 (and actually manage to DO it, which is highly doubtful because it is impossilbe to pinpoint ovulation like that without an ultrasound machine) you have utterly no chance of conceiving. at least with a cutoff you have a chance.

I do honestly get what you are saying but... I guess I have a mental block and after what I've been through I just can't get past it. You know what perhaps I need to hang up my baby days altogether.

[deaks66]

I disagree though I understand I am in the minority! My ov stops and starts and I can't be sure of anything except I know when it's over. If I try to have one attempt I will get it totally wrong and end up attempting again. If I wait for o+12 (which I can finally pinpoint) I won't mess up by having to have more attempts.

[atomic sagebrush]

Is bding every 4 days a bit more boy friendly as its more than one attempt? (This may be a silly question but im tired lol)
no not silly at all, yes it is perhaps a bit more boy friendly than one attempt with some other frequency pattern. It's not because it's more than one attempt in fertile window (it is REALLY tough to get pg from 4 days before ovulation) but because having regular sex may make your husband's sperm health better (sways blue) and also becaue regular exposure to the hormones in his semen may make you more boy-friendly.

Those concerns may be countered, though, by the fact that it's less of a cause of "swaycession" to DTD every 4 days - you dont' have to constantly think about it, peeing on OPK, worried about when to DTD - you just go for it every 4 days and eventually you're going to get pg. Plus, it helps people get pg sooner and prevents the whole deal where people sway too strictly, end up stopping ovulation, and pretty much have to sway blue just in order to get pg at all.

As to which is better- that is a crystal ball questions I simply cannot answer.

[atomic sagebrush]

So are u saying don't go the every four days route unless it's the last resort? :)


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not necesarily last resort and there are a great many people who should start off doing it (such as anyone over 40) I think it's going to prove to be very effective, just that if you want the absolutely best of the best sway in every way, it isn't that. There ARE more strict things you could do. I do think it's a great way to get a girl, though, and it worked for me!

[atomic sagebrush]

so essentially my one off attempt at o+12 would be a good thing providing sperm catch egg? and if it doesnt the 4 day rule would be next best so as to catch egg but still sway girl with the one attempt?

No, because the "swaycession" inherent in going for O+12 sways blue and you may end up going on for so long not getting pregnant, that you end up depleting your body TOO much and have to relax on diet just in order to get pregnant at all.

If you really aren't in a hurry to get pregnant, I think the best way to do it is by being strict in OTHER ways, such as frequency patterns, jelly, antihistamines - I don't think they are doing a whole lot, but they are inhibiting odds of conception by a lot! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I disagree though I understand I am in the minority! My ov stops and starts and I can't be sure of anything except I know when it's over. If I try to have one attempt I will get it totally wrong and end up attempting again. If I wait for o+12 (which I can finally pinpoint) I won't mess up by having to have more attempts.

Whether you think you know or you don't, studies have shown definitively that no one can pinpoint ovulation any better than 30% of the time (which is basically random chance). I know you have more experience than the average person because you did high tech rounds but age and swaying change things.

WHY do you have to have more attempts? It's a decision you make - it's easy if you really don't want to get pregnant, you just say, ok I am having one attempt and that's that. At the least do it when you have a snowball's chance in heck of getting pregnant (no matter how distant)

Think of it this way - if you mess up O+12, you end up DTD right on ovulation, which is exactly what you DIDN'T want to do, KWIM???

[atomic sagebrush]

I do honestly get what you are saying but... I guess I have a mental block and after what I've been through I just can't get past it. You know what perhaps I need to hang up my baby days altogether.

If it's important to you, you need to do what you need to do and if that is O+20, then O+20 you should do. It doesn't matter what I think, it is YOUR sway. I am just trying to make sure you understand my reasoning and hear the other side of the story. :)

[deaks66]

Atomic- I am absorbing everything I promise and trying my hardest to change my way of thinking. Can I ask, regardless of when we make our 1 attempt I am thinking of making the every 4 day a release pattern instead of a bd pattern. Is this ok? Plus if I want to alter the Pattern nearer attempt time to suit when I ideally want to dtd will it matter if the number of days inbetween changes? The reason I ask is that abstaining and FR are an issue for dh so althougb every 4 days sounds ideal, I just don't want to have to be committed to that if we want to have our 1 attempt on a specific date that I can't pinpoint in advance? Hope that makes sense?

[deaks66]

Just to add.. Perhaps adding in an extra release a few hrs before attempt would compensate for the boy friendly release pattern prior?

[deaks66]

It's ok, I see you answered my question perfectly on the other thread. Thanks so much x

[Mrs_Incredible]

We did a release the night before our +opk attempt, as o happened a few days earlier than we thought, this was after an abstain of either 6 or longer days due to af and dh's shift work xx


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[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic- I am absorbing everything I promise and trying my hardest to change my way of thinking. Can I ask, regardless of when we make our 1 attempt I am thinking of making the every 4 day a release pattern instead of a bd pattern. Is this ok? Plus if I want to alter the Pattern nearer attempt time to suit when I ideally want to dtd will it matter if the number of days inbetween changes? The reason I ask is that abstaining and FR are an issue for dh so althougb every 4 days sounds ideal, I just don't want to have to be committed to that if we want to have our 1 attempt on a specific date that I can't pinpoint in advance? Hope that makes sense?

Sorry I have been searching for this post everywhere! I saw it come through and then could not find it again.

Yes it is fine to release every 4 days and then have one attempt. It's ok to stay flexible on that too - so if it's been 3 days and you're ready to attempt that is fine, if it's been 1 day and it's time to attempt, also fine. What you're trying to do is just avoid super long abstains and super long periods of daily release. This gets you in with nice sperm quality and a decent count and that in turn enables you to get pg with the one attempt.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just to add.. Perhaps adding in an extra release a few hrs before attempt would compensate for the boy friendly release pattern prior?

This can be done and should sway pink, however it may cut odds of conception to do so.