Those who conceived a girl after 3 boys,

[deaks66]

Tell me what you did differently!

[Dreamofpink]

I'm following this one Deaks as I'd LOVE to know too!! :D

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[nuthinbutpink]

Have you read about the LE diet? Atomic, this is one of my HT gals. If you could respond and help, I'd greatly appreciate it!

[LilithWiser1979]

Le diet for 3 months, cardio only 5-7 days a week for a minimum of one hour per day (for 8 weeks,) one attempt at +OPK, fiber supps before meals, baby aspirin every 3 days.

Worked for me!

[LilithWiser1979]

Oh, and what was different? Skipping breakfast, the one attempt, vegetarian, no prenatals, intense cardio so often without any weights. One attempt was a huge difference for me, as well. All the boys had been conceived o 3 attempts.

[TishTashTosh]

Following :-)


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[aidansmum]

I did just about everything different. No super healthy foods, dieting on poor nutritious food, lots of diet coke and noodles, rice and low nutritious carbs, I didn't exercise but heard it is resulting in girls, no pre-natal vitamins. Vitex, SP, Clomid (tried on 1 cycle), BD on +O test, Aspirin, cranberry and Isoflavones (short term for this one) for DH, Sudafed for him, Zyrtec for me and Rephresh 10 hrs before DTD. Ah, and Folic Acid for DH and I. In a nutshell that's it :)

[Hoping4Kaylani]

Right here with you deaks, I'll be following this post too.

[blueeyedguys]

Following too.

[deaks66]

Thanks NBP, yeah I know lots about LE but I don't think I'm prepared to sway hardcore again. It is more the odd bits and bobs people did differently.

[Rosie85]

A lot of ladies who are getting girls have been exercising. It's something to strongly consider!

[purplepoet20]

To help you ladies out. I wanted to say that with DS3 I tried to do a sway, I do have a vitamin issues so even with a sway diet I did have a boy. I did vitex, cranberry, folic, prenatal, sudafed, and the others I don't remember. I ate a lot of fat free yogurt, low nutri veg, and low meat. Not to forget the diet drinks all day long. We did dtd every day with a cut off and never got preg until the month I stopped check of O.

This time around I am only eating low or none nutri veg, I was going to eat srping mix salad but could find one that looked fresh so I got iceberg instead. My days are 4-6cp of coffee w/splenda and non dairy creamer (calories in that). eating breakfast only when I am hungry around 10-11 and that is rice puff with whole milk (my protein). not really hungry for lunch so I skipped it. Ate about 2-4 bites of chicken (some days no meat) and had iceberg salad with a little dressing. 30oz each of crystal light (w/fiber) and diet coke. I am taking Clomid, folic, zry, ben, and asprin. rephresh 4-6 hours before dtd.

I would like to eat more but not in the mood. Last time when I had to plan all the pills and eat it was just to much so this time I am going with the flow and eating only when hungry.

As of now I am 3dpo so we will see what happens.

[LilithWiser1979]

I'll second the exercise advice! It's the most effective sway tactic that we can control (most of us can't get Clomid and won't be swaying right away after a miscarriage.)

I'm so sorry HT didn't work out for you, Deaks! I will say that, compared to the heaven and earth you moved to try HT, a few months on LE and a few weeks of exercise should be a snap for you! For most of us, the diet just takes a week or two to get used to and then it's second nature. I will admit that I missed breakfast and ribs, but now the weight loss was fabulous, and I got to eat lots of the things I love that I normally cut out of my healthy diet (bread, potatoes, rice noodles, sweets, and WAY more wine and beer than moderation dictates!)

I sincerely wish you the best of luck. Here's the link to my sway if you'd like to read through:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway/41299-lilithwiser1979-ttc-girl-sway-attempt.html

[Dreamofpink]

This advice is good but what if, like Deaks & I, you have 3 or more boys & swayed the last time round to end up with an opposite? I did the whole kitchen-sink full-on LE diet & Clomid sway. It's not how to sway per se, but perhaps the little tweaks here & there. ;)

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[deaks66]

Thanks all. For me the trouble with swaying again is I feel the disappointment of an opposite is greater. Plus my cycles are crazy in terms of length and pinpointing ov so any kind of timed bd just doesn't work as ov starts and stops. Plus dh BIG into food so he 100% won't diet and would rather throw more money at ht! At the moment i am on metformin and when not doing pgd this tends to create less cm for me. It is small (ish) changes like that that I was hoping might say worked for them. Clutching at straws I guess! I will think long and hard snout the diet for myself but don't really have any weight to loose as it is. Can easily do no breakfast and drink diet coke though.

[deaks66]

Just googled metformin and cm and actually I don't think it can be that that dried it up.

[Hoping4aPrincess]

I took Vitex, wasn't eating breakfast, wasn't eating a lot of meat, was sick and wasn't getting much sleep. I just felt really run down. I wasn't really swaying at the time.

[atomic sagebrush]

The one attempt thing I think is getting great results and that is def. one easy thing I did differently. It's NOT timing, it's just having one attempt instead of 2, 3, 4.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks all. For me the trouble with swaying again is I feel the disappointment of an opposite is greater. Plus my cycles are crazy in terms of length and pinpointing ov so any kind of timed bd just doesn't work as ov starts and stops. Plus dh BIG into food so he 100% won't diet and would rather throw more money at ht! At the moment i am on metformin and when not doing pgd this tends to create less cm for me. It is small (ish) changes like that that I was hoping might say worked for them. Clutching at straws I guess! I will think long and hard snout the diet for myself but don't really have any weight to loose as it is. Can easily do no breakfast and drink diet coke though.

Husband doesn't need to do diet.

I think it is good you know your own heart - some people find swaying gives them peace of mind as in "if I have an opposite I know I did what I can and it's meant to be" but for others it does aggravate it. This is one of those things that only you can know.

RE Met and CM - I think you know your own body best and if you think it's making less CM, then that very well may be the case.

I do think that per your PCOS history you are going to be better off in MANY ways on one of the alternate diets in the PCOS thread (I linked you to this somewhere out there) The atomic fertility diet is only going to help you get pregnant and if you do the variant for pink swayers who may go HT, it will not impinge on future HT rounds if you want to go that route.

[atomic sagebrush]

This advice is good but what if, like Deaks & I, you have 3 or more boys & swayed the last time round to end up with an opposite? I did the whole kitchen-sink full-on LE diet & Clomid sway. It's not how to sway per se, but perhaps the little tweaks here & there. ;)

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Even with 80% success rate (which we are not getting anywhere near that), 20% opposites is still a HELL of a lot of little dudes! I just hate to see you guys combing over things (MARTHA) looking for the tweaks you can make when really, it is very likely just nothing more than sheer bad luck (and not that any child is ever bad luck)

I do think that the thing that we need to avoid is the too strict sways because then we have to relax in order to get pg and restore ovulation and then any relaxation in that dept. is perceived as an improvement in condition by the ol' body! :)

[Dreamofpink]

Even with 80% success rate (which we are not getting anywhere near that), 20% opposites is still a HELL of a lot of little dudes! I just hate to see you guys combing over things (MARTHA) looking for the tweaks you can make when really, it is very likely just nothing more than sheer bad luck (and not that any child is ever bad luck)

I do think that the thing that we need to avoid is the too strict sways because then we have to relax in order to get pg and restore ovulation and then any relaxation in that dept. is perceived as an improvement in condition by the ol' body! :)

Yep, I learned that one alright! Love my little guy so much, but I will NOT be doing a strict sway next time. I will be buying a plan from you nearer-hand the time Atomic! My sway-cession days are over & I wasn't intending to sound all Martha there! ;)

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[maybeoneday]

I am in this boat too Deaks. I have almost persuaded DH to give it one last try and have to know in my head I gave it a good go without obsessing and being all "marthaery"!

My DH does a lot of corporate entertaining in the city as well so no chance of a diet got him either! I think I can let that go, so long as I do my best. Although, I might be able to persuade him to take some OLE!

I think, no breakfast,no snacking and vegetarian (limiting cheese and eggs) is a pretty good start. One attempt every 4 days (then you don't obsess over OPKs) and an exercise DVD in the lounge every day is a brilliant sway!

You never know, if I get my girl, I might even call her Martha!

[coocoobananas]

Pullout, relaxed (were not trying) and I remember I had no cm, breastfeeding and I'm vegetarian (although I was with my 3 boys) I didn't actually sway but I think all those things ultimately did:)

[atomic sagebrush]

Yep, I learned that one alright! Love my little guy so much, but I will NOT be doing a strict sway next time. I will be buying a plan from you nearer-hand the time Atomic! My sway-cession days are over & I wasn't intending to sound all Martha there! ;)

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Yes and I am not trying to call anyone out on that, I just really think that is the number one thing we need to 'fix' before we start pulling down the type of numbers that the blue swayers are getting. I truly believe we CAN get to the 75-80% for pink, and 85% for blue range if we can avoid the pitfals.

[atomic sagebrush]

PS - I think I mentioned in this thread already but husbands do NOT have to do diet.

[LilithWiser1979]

My DH didn't diet (ate basically paleo!,) worked out 5 days a week doing Olympic style weightlifting, and even took creatine and protein supps. I HAVE to say that what the woman does means more than what HE does!

[deaks66]

The one attempt thing I think is getting great results and that is def. one easy thing I did differently. It's NOT timing, it's just having one attempt instead of 2, 3, 4.

The timing bit I'm struggling personally with as all of my boys were conceived with very few attempts, like maybe 2, one on first smiley opk day and then one the day after. My first two sons were conceived like that as I hadn't a clue when ov happened so I used the digi opks and the third because I was aiming for o+12 but messed up. I know dh can't release daily for days on end and with my long cycles and delayed ov I just don't know what to do as wouldn't bd every other day or few days after af til ov sway boy? Weirdly however all my friends with girls have taken that approach rather than waiting for +opk and going for it like me. Don't know which way to turn with that...

[deaks66]

Oh and does exercise sway if you don't have weight to loose?

[myurkanin817]

My hubby is doing everything he can except for diet. Hot bath, tight undies, LR, cal & mag, cranberry, abstain 11-12 days.. So I wasn't daring to mention him do diet lol. I just felt bad and couldn't lol.:wink:

[carmella_marie]

My last DS was a failed sway. It was a strict kitchen sink style and I think the stress swayed blue, plus we bd thru o. That was just a few years ago and there's already new stuff that seems to be swaying: intense cardio, alcohol, one attempt, and a more mary-lifestyle is what I'm adding to my sway this time and dropping vitex, sp, timing, and frequency. Plus a plan by AS of course!

[deaks66]

i am so lost with it all. i want to do a very relaxed sway which sounds like a good thing according to atomic anyway but am unsure what supplements to take for myself? also dh will be happy to take olive leaf and perhaps one other thing. what would be best? the timing thing, i was hoping to bd every other day but avoid heavy cm day/s. im diet actually sounds pretty LE anyway. im not a big eater and i dont snack unless im comforting eating (trying hard not to do that at the moment). am on metformin and thyroxine for my underactive thyroid/onset pcos. i can possibly work in 20 mins cardio a day (if i have to). what else??

[Mrs_Incredible]

Deaks, have you thought about doing ht in Europe? Hugs xx
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[deaks66]

Deaks, have you thought about doing ht in Europe? Hugs xx
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i have but im just not convinced about the results/effort. perhaps i just dont want it enough...

[Mrs_Incredible]

Doubt that hon, probably more like there's only so many knocks you can take :'( you've had a tough ht journey. Take time to recover emotionally and physically. Don't rush into anything just now. You'll know what is right for you soon enough. Thinking of you xx
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[atomic sagebrush]

The timing bit I'm struggling personally with as all of my boys were conceived with very few attempts, like maybe 2, one on first smiley opk day and then one the day after. My first two sons were conceived like that as I hadn't a clue when ov happened so I used the digi opks and the third because I was aiming for o+12 but messed up. I know dh can't release daily for days on end and with my long cycles and delayed ov I just don't know what to do as wouldn't bd every other day or few days after af til ov sway boy? Weirdly however all my friends with girls have taken that approach rather than waiting for +opk and going for it like me. Don't know which way to turn with that...

Two attempts has gotten a consistent 5% and at times up to 10% fewer girls than one attempt does. This falls to 30% fewer girls with three attempts in fertile window (which every other day would be). I know it is so weird and I would have lost money betting on that, but the one attempt really seems to be working and it's stayed consistent over time with a large enough sample size so I have a fair bit of confidence in it, even tho I cannot offer any more than guesses about why it is.

You don't need to do frequency (having DH release). Frequency and nubmer of attempts are separate. You can do either or both or neither. So I think that having DH do regular release (a boy friendly release pattern of every 2-4 days) with the one attempt is a way to get pregnant more quickly without the stress of the frequency jazz, but while preserving the "magic" of the one attempt.

RE people getting girls DTD every other day, the way I believe this works is that there is a continuum where people are not ovulating due to poor condition on one end (hypothalamic amenorrhea) and then on the other end is PCOS. Pink to blue. People can fall anywhere along the continuum and move up and down it with different pregnancies. The closer you are to the one end, the more girls conceived (but never 100%), the closer to the other end, the more boys conceived (but never 100%). So someone on the pink end of the continuum may be able to get away with things and still conceive girls - and in fact if they were really close to the far end, they may even HAVE to do blue friendly stuff just in order to get pregnant - that for those of us on the blue end, would really sway strongly blue for us. Hope that makes sense.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and does exercise sway if you don't have weight to loose?

I believe it still does and you will need to eat upper limits of calories to prevent excess weight loss.

With PCOS even if you can't do the 60 6-7 exercise, I think moderate exercise is so good at improving insulin response that it is nearly mandatory for anyone with PCO - even if you can't do it every day

[atomic sagebrush]

i am so lost with it all. i want to do a very relaxed sway which sounds like a good thing according to atomic anyway but am unsure what supplements to take for myself? also dh will be happy to take olive leaf and perhaps one other thing. what would be best? the timing thing, i was hoping to bd every other day but avoid heavy cm day/s. im diet actually sounds pretty LE anyway. im not a big eater and i dont snack unless im comforting eating (trying hard not to do that at the moment). am on metformin and thyroxine for my underactive thyroid/onset pcos. i can possibly work in 20 mins cardio a day (if i have to). what else??

I would need more info to go off of before recommending specific supps for DH - there are just so many variables in terms of health that come into play. OLE seems to be well tolerated by most people.

I still stick by either having DH do reg. release with one attempt at pos OPK or the every 4 day method.

Since you have the PCO stuff going on, if 20 min. of exercise is all you can do I ~believe~ that the benefits for blood sugar are so great that it trumps the potential risks of mod. exercise. But if you could get up to 60, all the better, even if you can only do it 4 days a week.

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

The timing bit I'm struggling personally with as all of my boys were conceived with very few attempts, like maybe 2, one on first smiley opk day and then one the day after. My first two sons were conceived like that as I hadn't a clue when ov happened so I used the digi opks and the third because I was aiming for o+12 but messed up. I know dh can't release daily for days on end and with my long cycles and delayed ov I just don't know what to do as wouldn't bd every other day or few days after af til ov sway boy? Weirdly however all my friends with girls have taken that approach rather than waiting for +opk and going for it like me. Don't know which way to turn with that...

Tbh I feel a little the same way. We had one attempt at pos opk - and dh is a horn dog that can keep his hands off it, so I know fr was happening.

I think I'm going to have him step it up, and got for 2x a day lol


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