What's the average LP? Does a shorter LP sway pink?

[Trike3]

What's a normal LP? I think I read somewhere that a shorter cycle sways pink, and a longer sways blue. Is this accurate?

I've been tracking AF using iPeriod app since my first PP AF in Feb. Looks like I've had cycle days of 33, 31, 31, 27, 26. Is this average? Short? Long? Before DS I think I was a consist 28 day, but don't remember.

[Dynazyme]

I think even if you have a quite long or a short cycle the luteal phase does not vary a lot, it is mostly between 11 to 16 days. The follicluar phase can vary much more.

I do not know if anybody has a "normal" LP :wink:. Anyway, in medical textbooks a "normal" cycle is designated as 14 d folicular phase / 14 d luteal phase.

I personally have a very regular cycle. My luteal phase is always exactly 14 days (follicular phase 11 d). AF always arrives 14 days plus a few hours after I recognised my midpain.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think a shorter luteal phase sways boy and vv.

[Makai]

I would love to know the answer to this too! Mine is 17-19 days which I'm guessing is longer than average? My cycles are long too 34-40 days.

[myurkanin817]

Anything that isn't "normal" sways pink. Anything longer or shorter than regular sways pink I believe.

[blackbekki]

Let's hope longer does sway pink. Mines gone from regular 28 to 33 in last few months x


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[popple]

Snap Blackbekki! Mine have always been 29 days but last month was 33 days long! Fingers crossed it's a positive sign for a pink sway ��

[atomic sagebrush]

a normal LP is 12-14 days. "average" is not the right word to describe it, really.

The shorter vs. longer cycle regarding swaying has nothing to do with LP. It has to do with FP, the follicular phase, the amount of time from AF-ovulation.

There is more than one reason why a cycle can become shorter or longer. You have to look at the underlying reasons why and not just the length of a cycle. I think that people who get boys with normal cycles and suddenly start having shorter or longer ones, this can mean they are in a good place for TTC a girl. WEird cycles have a tendency to be affiliated with more girl conceptions.

BUT if your cycle is long from PCOS, then that can sway blue. It's the reason why the cycle is changing, not the number of days itself.

I can't tell anything from how many days in your cycle. I also need to know what day you ovulated on (roughly). Both LP and FP can vary. Those cycles are def. in the normal range for length, but it may very well be that you ovulated on CD 25 and got your period on CD 26 (which is an exaggeration, but obviously not good LOL)

[atomic sagebrush]

I would love to know the answer to this too! Mine is 17-19 days which I'm guessing is longer than average? My cycles are long too 34-40 days.

how sure are you about this?? that is quite unusual and is normally a case of people miscalculating ovulation, which we will need to address if you want to do one attempt.

[atomic sagebrush]

Anything that isn't "normal" sways pink. Anything longer or shorter than regular sways pink I believe.

unless it's longer due to PCOS. that sways blue.

[BlessedMomma]

Question atomic. With both my boys I ovulated between cd 14-17 and had 30 day cycles. Now ttc I ovulate cd19-21 and 32 day cycles do u think that sways pink since my cycles are different now.

[atomic sagebrush]

shorter luteal phase does not sway blue. that is based on the totally unproven theory that higher progesterone sways pink, which I have seen NO reliable data supporting it. I have tons of blue swayers with chronically short LP and tons of pink swayers like me who have never had a short LP in their whole lives.

[atomic sagebrush]

Question atomic. With both my boys I ovulated between cd 14-17 and had 30 day cycles. Now ttc I ovulate cd19-21 and 32 day cycles do u think that sways pink since my cycles are different now.

that is a crystal ball question that I cannot answer. I would certainly not rely on a change in cycle as a surefire guarantee of pink or anything like that. I'ts totally normal for your cycle to change over time as you age.

[Makai]

I think so because I used a clear blue fertility monitor, and charted. The month I was actually good about charting I got pregnant so it doesn't show the full length of my cycle (which was around 36 days at the time) but it shows I ovulated around day 17 or 18 which I confirmed with CBM.
19662
Is that unusual?

[carmella_marie]

Typically the only reason for a LP longer than 15 days is pregnancy, unless you're taking a progesterone supp or cream? The corpus lutetium just doesn't make enough progesterone fir you LP to last much longer than that without a signal from an implanted embryo.

[Makai]

No progesterone. I have had long cycles as long as I can remember. It's just within the last couple years I learned to pinpoint ovulation, which is usually right in the middle of my cycle. I never even thought about it since both my boys were conceived on the first try. Is this something I should worry about?

[carmella_marie]

You can have long cycles without a long LP, I had 60 day cycles but my LP is always 12 days. It's the first part of your cycle that varies in length, not the later part (LP). The only way to confirm ovulation is by a temp rise, opks and other symptoms can be misleading. In the chart you posted above your LP was long because you were pregnant, but do you have other charts that show the long LP?

[Makai]

Nope :( That was my first month charting, but before that I used a tracker on my phone to track my cycle. I also used the Clear Blue fertility monitor + watching for signs (to avoid pregnancy) and I ovulated almost always day 17 (still do). A short cycle for me is 34 days, so that would still be 17 days between O and my period.

[atomic sagebrush]

No progesterone. I have had long cycles as long as I can remember. It's just within the last couple years I learned to pinpoint ovulation, which is usually right in the middle of my cycle. I never even thought about it since both my boys were conceived on the first try. Is this something I should worry about?

Yes, it's unusual, while on occasion people might go to 17 DPO it's normally in the case of chemical pregnancy, being on Clomid or prog. supplements, or they were losing a kind of clear fluid for a couple days before true bleeding started (so they were actually having AF, it just wasn't blood at first) and this is typically something that happens just one month and then does not repeat again and again. I have NEVER seen anyone else having 19 day luteal phases without chemical pregnancy or prog supplementation.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think so because I used a clear blue fertility monitor, and charted. The month I was actually good about charting I got pregnant so it doesn't show the full length of my cycle (which was around 36 days at the time) but it shows I ovulated around day 17 or 18 which I confirmed with CBM.
19662
Is that unusual?

Well, the thing with charts and even with CBFM is that they only detect hormones and symptoms, and not actual ovulation. So it's totally possible to have what looks like a real clear shift and appropriate symptoms and just that your body may react a little bit differently than other people's and it may take your temp longer to rise or it may rise more quickly, etc.

(and please understand I"m not trying to secondguess your experience, I just want to be sure we have you in with your one attempt at a good time for conception!)

[atomic sagebrush]

Nope :( That was my first month charting, but before that I used a tracker on my phone to track my cycle. I also used the Clear Blue fertility monitor + watching for signs (to avoid pregnancy) and I ovulated almost always day 17 (still do). A short cycle for me is 34 days, so that would still be 17 days between O and my period.

Is that when you're getting a peak reading or???

[Makai]

Well, the thing with charts and even with CBFM is that they only detect hormones and symptoms, and not actual ovulation. So it's totally possible to have what looks like a real clear shift and appropriate symptoms and just that your body may react a little bit differently than other people's and it may take your temp longer to rise or it may rise more quickly, etc.

(and please understand I"m not trying to secondguess your experience, I just want to be sure we have you in with your one attempt at a good time for conception!)

Oh I understand, and really appreciate you helping me figure this out!! I count ovulation day as the last day my monitor registers as a "peak" day. Usually I have two peak days (Somewhere between days 16-18). I'm looking at my phone log and pretty much every month is that same pattern.

[bluebonnet22]

Usually you will ovulate 24-48 hours after your clear blue says peak so you might be ovulating as late as CD20

[carmella_marie]

Those fertility monitors only detect your Lh surge, many women often ovulate 36-48 hours later, (I'm always at the 48 hour end of the spectrum) so if your Lh peaks cd 18 and you're actually ovulating cd 20 and you have a. 34 day cycle then you've got a perfectly "normal" 14 day LP. And it's good to figure this all out before your attempt do you don't go months with a bunch of bfn's!

[Makai]

I sure hope you all are right :) Thanks all!

[aidansmum]

I am unsure as to LP but in my personal experience, being as regular as a clock, 14-15 FP and pretty much always 13 LP, I really needed to 'mess things up' and after Vitex and SP (Vitex making my FP shorter and SP longer) and then with a crazy cycle of 49 days on Clomid, I fell pregnant with a girl on a 12 FP cycle. I guess it is definitely the out of the norm in a cycle that counts more than anything when swaying pink.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh I understand, and really appreciate you helping me figure this out!! I count ovulation day as the last day my monitor registers as a "peak" day. Usually I have two peak days (Somewhere between days 16-18). I'm looking at my phone log and pretty much every month is that same pattern.

OK the experience we have had on Clearblue is that some people are getting peaks and then not ovulating. the first surge is a faker, and the downside of the CBFM is that once you get a peak reading it stays "stuck" on peak. Most people just stop testing and assume they've ovulated, but people who are charting every month have seen weird stuff happen where they aren't having a temp rise and they want to keep testing but they can't because their CBFM is stuck on peak, so they have to either actually go buy another one or else do cheap OPK only to end up ovulating a couple-three days later.

Now, it could be that this is just one of those unusal cases and you really are the only person I've ever talked to who is regularly having 19 day LP, but I think the more likely explanation is that you may have to kind of "gear up" for ovulation and so your LH goes up a bit before you actually really truly surge. THe Clearblue is detecting this and thinks it's a surge.

So, my thinking would be to have you DTD on the day of SECOND peak and then that would have you covered both for that day (if it really truly is O day) and then for a couple days after that. Then at the 4 day mark (4 days since prev. BD) have another attempt.

[Makai]

Ok that sounds great! We won't be trying for a few more months, but I will let you know when we get closer.

There is a lot to consider when trying to figure out ovulation. Never knew it could be so complicated so I'm glad to have you all help me because it stresses me out!

[carmella_marie]

Don't stress! AS knows what she's doing !

[Mommykisses]

I am wondering how length of cycles sway . I was having 23-25 day cycles prior to having a BFP . It started off at 23 days and went longer by a day each cycle . I just got a BFP and my previous cycle was 25 days . Each cycle I got my first lh surge On cycle day 14 . On the cycle I got pregnant my first lh surge was on cd15 .

So to me this seems that I have a short luteal phase .. hopefully my baby sticks .

How is it that follicular phase sways ? Any insight how my cycle may have had an influence on the gender of my expecting baby ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, unfortunately cycles can change and they don't always change predictably so it may have been that if you hadn't conceived you were going to have a 30 day cycle (O on CD 16 and then 14 day LP) We just don't know. It could be that you'd have a short LP but then again maybe you wouldn't have. Since pregnancy makes progesterone and then your period doesn't come, we can't tell what would have been.

We can't look at a person's follicular phase (and yours was totally in normal range!! nothing unusual about those cycles, just slightly shorter than average but still normal) and tell what gender their baby will be.

[Inhope]

How do you count the LP? I have always started to count the day after O as the first day. For example if I O on day 1, I start counting the LP on day 2. So if I O on day 1 and then AF arrive on day 10 my LP is 8 days (stop counting the day before AF) right or wrong????

[atomic sagebrush]

Starts the day after O Day. So yes that's right.