Fall 2014 Light Girl / Twin Sway

[Lulabell]

***EDIT: Will no longer be doing this sway after evaluating my reasons for wanting a girl and my miscarriage paranoia. After some advice from Atomic and talking with my husband, I've decided to do either no sway and see what happens or a boy sway as I do seem to have the personality type for being a boy mum. I only really wanted to use the girl name I had picked out for years, but I'm sure we'll find a boy name we love too. I just feel more comfortable doing my usual high nutrient diet to sustain a pregnancy. Bonus that high nutrients sway for twins!



Hubby and I are TTC again in Sept/Oct after 2 miscarriages this year. We have an adopted son, so I thought it would be nice to try to increase our odds for a girl. We are both vegan so that sways girl.*

I'm doing a super light sway as at this point I'm way more focused on improving egg quality as I just want my baby :) I'm also doing a light twin sway, as hubby draws the line at 2 kids, but I've always wanted 3 so that's my only shot at it. There are no twins in my family and I'm relatively young so my odds are super low, but thought I'd give it a shot anyway.*My last pregnancy miscarried but I had ovulation pains on both sides, which never happens, and hcg levels were through the roof so I'm convinced it was twins! Hoping for a repeat.

I’m definitely a hippy, so I’ve cut out a lot of things as I refuse to deplete my body of nutrients or take prescription drugs. I’m willing to take the baby Aspirin if need be, because I’ve decided the benefits outweigh the risks for me.

I’ve been doing seed cycling to balance my hormones. 1 tab each of flax, pumpkin and chia seeds AF-O, then sunflower and sesame seeds O-AF.


My Monthly Supplements:

CD 2-6 Soy Isoflavones: Can increase eggs to sway twin. I haven’t decided my final dose. I started last month with a low dose and had minor hot flashes, will definitely take them at night next cycle.

CD 1-O Black Cohosh: I haven’t acquired this yet to work out my dose. Helps prevent miscarriage.

O-4dpo Bromelain: 500 mg 2-3 times a day. Sways twins and helps implantation. I’ll use this unless my tests come back positive for antiphospholipid antibodies, then I’ll use the baby Aspirin instead for the whole cycle and up to 12 weeks pregnancy. Can’t use both together.

Royal Jelly 1000mg: increases egg quality and sways twin. Also bee pollen, but it’s too pricey for me.

Folic Acid: 4000mg starting 2 cycles before attempt to sway twin. Until then just 800mg.

Prenatal: been taking since first BFP in January. On the cheapie brand but will switch to Vitamin Code Raw Prenatal at BFP as it doesn’t make me nauseous and is easily digested. I know it doesn’t sway girl to have the extra nutrients, but I’d rather have a healthy accidental boy fetus than a depleted girl fetus I might miscarry again.

Probiotics: just good for digestion but the acidophilus sways girl too.

DHA: for healthy fetal brain development.

Vit D: 3000IU for my mood, and most failed IVF patients are deficient.

Vit C: 1g now, will decrease to just what is in prenatals at O when TTC as high Vit C can cause miscarriage.

Vit E: 400mg until BFP then 200 mg to prevent miscarriage.

CoQ10: 600mg until BFP to increase egg quality, then drop to 200mg.

L-Arginine: to help protein in egg’s shell, 500-2000mg until BFP.

Calcium: 1000mg to sway girl.

Magnesium: dose varies as I use transdermal spray and epsom salt baths.

Cranberry: I already take this for recurrent UTIs, will increase it 6 weeks before TTC to sway girl.

Vit B6: 50mg to sway twin, unsure if this is in my prenatal so haven’t bought.

Evening Primrose Oil: doesn’t sway girl as increases EWCM, but sways twin, so if we don’t get BFP first cycle I’ll add it in.

Wild Yam: O-AF or if BFP continue to 12 weeks then wean off, helps progesterone. Potentially may sway twin but I think it’s a different yam species.


Diet:
We’re vegan, so I’ll just be decreasing bananas and sodium 6 weeks before, that’s all I’m prepared to do. I also don’t eat sugar, gluten, or soy, and will cut out nightshade foods to decrease antibodies that might attack my baby! I haven’t had caffeine or alcohol since January.

Peppermint tea to sway girl. Hate the taste, but I’ll add it in 6 weeks before.

Red Raspberry Leaf tea to tone uterus up until O to help prevent miscarriage. Maca powder to increase fertility, stop at O. Spirulina and Chlorella tablets for iron for uterine lining. Avocados for Omegas.

Sleep Cycles:
Sleep in complete dark (blackout blinds) except for moonlight or low light 3 days around O to simulate lunar cycles. Or Melatonin 3mg at night until O.

Ions:
Unsure if my cycle will line up with new moon in September. I have a USB negative ion charger in my laptop, and one in my car. Windows open as much as possible, ordered a rose quartz necklace. Lavender essential oil in our room before bed.

Exercise:
Who am I kidding, none! I’m more active in the summer so hopefully the drop in activity in the fall will help.

Old Wives Tales:
Pink bib and wooden spoon under bed, can’t hurt!

pH:
Haven’t done any trial tests yet. I’m not sure how comfortable I am introducing foreign substances to an open cervix so I may or may not do any lime.

Hubby’s Supplements:
Multivitamin, B12/Folic Acid, L-Arginine, CoQ10, Cranberry. He’s promised no caffeine for 1 month before attempt.

Stress:
Reflexology and accupressure for fertility (find on youtube). Meditations for fertility and to decrease stress (T levels!). Visualizations: I can picture myself holding my daughter, and I write out her full name every day.

Alternative:
Crystal healing and aromatherapy for fertility.



Anything else healthy/ holistic that could help?

[covered in blue]

Hi :). I'm no expert - especially with all the alternative type sway factors but I think the probiotics sway boy instead of girl. And also I don't think it's recommended to take cranberry and aspirin together as they are both blood thinners. Might be worth checking up on that.
Good luck for your sway :). How exciting for you!

[TishTashTosh]

I'm no expert either but if you hadn't mentioned you wanted a girl I would assume from your info that you were doing a great boy sway!

Lots of things you are trying or cutting out have been debunked and I think some are not recommended anymore for tic any colour.

There are also several 'natural' things you could add instead such as olive leaf extract for hubby which seems to be getting good results.

Sure someone more in know will be along in minute!


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[ratcliffe1811]

I'd drop the vitamins and a big NO NO on the black Cohosh! That is dangerous stuff and people dont know enough about it. With the twins side make sure the wild yam is cassava or its pretty pointless apparently. (I am not trying for twins)

[Abifasc]

Prom the looks of your sway you have way too many nutrients to sway girl. I would recommend taking only folic acid as you sway and add the other vitamins after your BFP.

[atomic sagebrush]

Wow I really really would not do this sway for a girl. I'm going to apologize in advance for all this but I am going to have to really go over this - I don't want to be a negative nelly because I can tell you've put a good deal of work into this but I am just begging you NOT to do all that stuff. That is not a light girl sway, it's a strong boy sway.

I normally do not go over sways in this level of detail except for Dream Members. I'm making an exception here because there is just so much harmful in this that I cannot let it go without comment. But please consider a Dream Membership at some point if it's possible for you - this will take me probably 1-2 hours to go over it all and I"m happy to do it, but the $$ from the Dream Memberships keeps the site up and allows me to be here answering questions instead of having to work outside the home (thank you for enduring brief commercial!!)

The thoroughness of all this makes me concerned you may be coming into it all with more of a boy-mom mindset and you can read about that here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/33517-maternal-dominance-hypothesis-priviledged-daughter-hypothesis.html

Just because you had ovulation pain in both sides does not mean you got pg with twins. Both ovaries develop eggs each month, up to 15-20 of them, and this can cause pain. IT's not unusual to have worse pain from the side you DON'T ovulate from, because ovulation can release some of the pressure. My suspicion is all these herbs and spices you're taking have aggravated O pain (happens to tons of people)

I don't know your age, but it is EXTREMELY likely your egg quality is perfectly fine and you do not need to do anything to "improve" it. Don't fix what ain't broke. Herbs and even nutrients have side effects that we don't even know about and it is not outside the realm of possibility that some of that stuff is actually harming your overall fertility and may be contributing to miscarriage. (and I'm not saying this has occurred or faulting you in any way, but just that it is something to keep in mind - taking every herb in the herb shop is neither necessary nor recommended and your body knows how to get and stay pregnant without a bunch of supplements)

Please tell me more about how you are planning to come off all this stuff when you get pregnant. If you are not doing this correctly then it can cause/contribute to miscarriage.

If you want to use the seeds, it can be ok to do that but be sure you're getting more OMega 6 fat than Omega 3. Thus, I'd have you drop the DHA for now only to resume at BFP http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/39013-skinny-fats-pink-blue.html If you want to continue DHA, I would switch to 3 days a week

Drop soy iso if you are ovulating regularly. It hasn't helped with twinning and has had a ton of unpleasant side effects for people (if you aren't ovulating regularly, see a doctor and see if you can get Clomid, it works better). and ABOVE ALL ELSE (if you take one piece of advice make it this) DROP BLACK COHOSH. It does NOT prevent miscarriage and it's very dangerous. You are adding fuel to a fire of already taking too much crap and it can be harmful to you. No woman of childbearing age should be taking it.

You do not need Bromelian and I do not recomend it (unknown side effects because when you take a blood thinner and then stop, it may actually be harmful to your healht and that of a fertilized egg trying to implant. I believe this causes chemicals.)

Royal jelly sways blue and I believe it is harmful and also messes up people's cycles.

Unless you are over 40 and/or have had history of child with NTD you do not need that much. I'd stick with 1200-1600, 2000 max. Take this for the full first trimester then gradually wean off. Do not stop cold turkey and do not take through entire pregnancy.

Prenatal at your discretion, however I do need to point out that I would never ever recommend anything I believed to be unsafe. Some of the stuff you are taking is way way way more dangerous than not taking a prenatal so if safety is your concern, I am not sure you're going about it in the right way. Compromise is to switch to prenatal 3 days a week.

Probiotics sway BLUE, it was definitively proven by our numbers which were utterly terrible (40% girls, 60% boys). We now use it only for blue sways with a 75% success rate for BLUE.

Vit. D sways blue, if you want to continue I'd switch to 1x a week. It's stored in your fat, you don't need it every day unless you're deficient.

Vit. C and Vit. E are already present in plentiful amounts in prenatal. 1000 mg vit C has been used to induce miscarriage and Vit. E beyond the amount in prenatal can inhibit cell division which is terrible for early pregnancy. Also may contribute to bleeding issues.

Do not EVER stop and start stuff at ovulation except vitex, saw palmetto, and peppermint tea. Your body doesn't like it and if it detects a sudden drop in nutrients, it may pull the plug on pregnancy. And if the supplement in question affects hormones or the chemicals in your body that allow your blood to clot, you go from having them to not having them all of a sudden which is not healthy for you or an unborn baby.

Coq10 I'm fine with that :agree: I would not have you take any more than 100-200 mg and get ubiquinol, it's better used by the body.

L-arg. sways blue and it has really messed up people's cycles. That is also an insanely high dose. If you have any type of herpes virus it will cause it to flare up and if you have genital herpes I would totally give it a pass.

Calcium at your discretion but PLEASE do not take 1000 mg. That is too much even for standard swayers. 600-800 I have the case against calcium and swaying here, it's three parts and read all three http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/610-calcium-conundrum-controversial.html

Cranberry is a blood thinner and may cause miscarriage when taken after ovulation. If you MUST take cranberry, stop it at ovulation but be aware that stopping and starting blood thinners suddenly may cause or contribute to chemical pregnancy and even fatal blood clots or heart attacks for YOU. That is why I have people use aspirin instead - you can stop and start it gradually rather than cold turkey. Do not use both cran and aspirin and do not use the bromelain if you are using them. Do not use Vit. E in higher dose than in prenatal if using ANY of the three. You can also die while taking too many blood thinners, from bleeding in your brain, stomach, or if you were in an accident or needed surgery of some kind.

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[atomic sagebrush]

B6 we have gotten overwhelmingly boys with this. IT may sway twin but just letting you know it seems to be pretty blue friendly. The amount in a prenatal is plent for health, 50 mg is also fine and safe if you want to up odds of twins. Please please either continue this thru first tri and then wean off or wean off VERRY gradually at BFP. Stopping B6 too quickly has caused miscarriage.

EPO is an omega 6 fat and taken WITHOUT the DHA or additional Omega 3 ~may~ possibly help with a pink sway. I do use it primarily for blue swayers though. If you take it, this is one of the herbs that needs to be stopped at ovulation (or a couple days before because it can delay O)

Wild yam taken orally does nothing. It is a form that your body can't use so you are taking the risks of side effects for no benefit. Are talking about cream? IF you use the cream, that is in a different form and can be used by your body, but it's better to get prescription strength from a doctor. YOu are quite correct though, if you do get BFP you will need to continue the cream through the entire first trimester and wean off. Don't take the oral wild yam in pregnancy, it's just not known about what side effects there may be.

I personally think caff and alcohol sway pink, not blue, BUT they may benefit a healthy pregnancy to cut them out. :agree: that is one thing I would def. recommend for helping achieve a successful pregnancy.

Pep tea should be AF-O only, and we are having best luck stopping it 1-2 days before O because it can delay it. Be aware that closely related herbs to peppermint were historically used to induce miscarriage and that would be one thing I would absolutely drop if I was concerned about miscarrying.

I'm fine with RRLT but I would continue till BFP and gradually wean off.

Maca at your discretion, I'm not convinced it's safe or effective but don't have strong evidence against it, either. Please wean off rather than stopping cold turkey.

I do not trust algaes for more than occasional use and they have been linked to increased risk of motor neuron disease such as ALS/Lou Gehrig's disease. My father in law died of it last year, it is horrible, and it is not worth any level of risk because you can get the same benefits from the iron in a different form.

:agree: with using Lunaception.

DO NOT use Melatonin. It can cause developmental delays in children when taken during pregnancy, but it is not safe to just stop it, either. You need to give yourself a good month to wean off it and there's just no way to do that when you are actively TTC.

ions at your discretion

Exercise has been one of our most effective sway tactics. I got my daughter without it, i'ts certainly no magic bullet. Your call to make.

:agree: OWT, of course does nothing but can't hurt

We don't do douching and lime here so fine with leaving that out. scientific look at whether pH sways here
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

I would drop cranberry for DH and replace with Olive Leaf extract - safer and better option for healthy sperm. wE are getting awesome results for pink with it. I would have him drop all his nutrient supplements, or cut back on them (like I was having you do, taking less often) He can continue the folic 400 mcg a day, do not give him more folic than that as it may contribute to prostate cancer. Same warning with l-arg, it can cause herpes flareups

I personally think it's risky (in terms of the Maternal Dominance Hypothesis) to get too into visualizing and writing DD's name, etc. It keeps swaying too much in the forefront of your mind and at first glance, to me it looks like it's enough in the forefront of your mind as it is LOL.

[Lulabell]

Atomic,
Thanks. I've only recently started some of these things, after doing lots miscarriage research after my second one. I was reading actual research studies on the efficacy, but I can see now I've overlooked interactions with other supplements. I wasn't entirely decided on the Black Cohosh either, which was why I hadn't bought it yet.

Totally admitting I've let the miscarriage thing get to me and I've been a little obsessive with research since then! Thanks for reviewing and reminding me I need to calm down and let nature do the work with minimal help from me. I'm just so excited to actually have a bio baby it's pretty much all I think about!

I think I had found some of my information on in-gender, which seems much different than genderdreaming.

I guess before my second miscarriage I was really into doing a full girl sway but now I've lost the drive to focus on it when all I want is a live baby of either gender.

[ratcliffe1811]

Sorry for your losses hun, I can understand why its getting to you but no amount of product is going to save an unsustainable pregnancy. There are lots of people out there 'claiming' taking such and such will help avoid miscarriage and some of those things could cause more harm than good. The best thing you can do is stop researching and obsessing (Hard I know but on the upside it will help ur girl sway) try to relax and take your folic acid :happy: The sway here is a lot safer than the IG version. You can do as much or as little as you like. Read Atomics essays and you'll be able to come up with a safe sway. Good luck hunni

[Lulabell]

After some self reflection I've decided not to do an active sway. My lifestyle and beliefs on nutrition fall into boy sway so I am embracing the blue! Atomic, I think you were really right about having the personality for boys. I just had a such a cute girl name picked out, but I really do better with mostly males in my life, hence having more male than female friends. I guess I was really trying to force something that didn't feel natural to me and overthinking it.
I eat a clean, vegan diet with lots of non-soy protein, and I do love me some vitamins, so perhaps we'll just time BD's for boy times and leave it at that!

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic,
Thanks. I've only recently started some of these things, after doing lots miscarriage research after my second one. I was reading actual research studies on the efficacy, but I can see now I've overlooked interactions with other supplements. I wasn't entirely decided on the Black Cohosh either, which was why I hadn't bought it yet.

Totally admitting I've let the miscarriage thing get to me and I've been a little obsessive with research since then! Thanks for reviewing and reminding me I need to calm down and let nature do the work with minimal help from me. I'm just so excited to actually have a bio baby it's pretty much all I think about!

I think I had found some of my information on in-gender, which seems much different than genderdreaming.

I guess before my second miscarriage I was really into doing a full girl sway but now I've lost the drive to focus on it when all I want is a live baby of either gender.

Studies are oftentimes not worth the paper they are printed on, so take with a great big grain of salt.

I think I forgot to mention that we have been having good results for prevention of miscarriage with 150 iu iodine daily when TTC and throughout pregnancy.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think a good compromise is to live your life the way you see fit, but keep one attempt either at pos OPK or on O day. :) YOu absolutely could still get a girl even with a strong blue sway, it's just that I wanted you to have your best shot at it and not be doing things that are really dangerous along the way thinking you're doing something that is beneficial. Good luck~~

[Dynazyme]

Wow Atomic, I am always overwhelmed of all your knowledge! Chapeau, chapeau!!

@Lulabelle: There are thousands - no millions of women conceiving grils without even guessing that there is the possibility of swaying! :wave:

[trying4twins]

Lulabell, are you still swaying for twins? What are you doing? :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't think she ever came back. :)

[Lulabell]

I saw yes! At our dating ultrasound there were two gestational sacs but only one fetus. So it was originally twins for a short while. To follow up we ended up with a beautiful healthy baby BOY! :)

[essnce629]

Congrats on your boy!!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Huge congrats Lulabell!! that happened with my son too and he is SOO smart...I really think the additional hormones and blood flow turned him into a genius or something. :p