hypothetical aspartame thread

[atomic sagebrush]

UPDATE 12-13-17 In the three years since I wrote this post fewer and fewer people have used aspartame for pink and our results are higher than ever. I really think that the aspartame is doing nothing at best and may even be undermining sways when ingested in the massive amounts that other sites recommend. Please be sane and sensible about aspartame intake, no more than 2-3 servings a day of 12-16 oz. each, which is the amount approved by the FDA as safe when pregnant (so it has to be safe when TTC!)

Ok, for starters let me just say this very clear - this is a hypothetical question only and I do not want anyone to change anything about their sway on the basis of this. And PLEASE please if we could avoid the thing where 10 dozen people message me asking if they should use/not use aspartame on the basis of this thread, I would really appreciate it. The reason why I ask is because I DON'T KNOW and want to hear your guys' opinions.

just wondering if anyone else has noticed this trend - does anyone else think aspartame could possibly be swaying BLUE? THe reason I ask is because back on IG, you may recall people were getting boys drinking tons of it (and honestly I cannot recall a single successful sway using the massive amounts, but I may just be suffering from selective recall there) and I feel like some pretty good sways produced opposites and a fair number were people who I felt were hitting it too hard on the aspartame. I got my 4th boy using it and my girl without it (and I have been diagnosed recently with an autoimmune disease myself and I almost certainly have had it for many years including when I swayed with my 4th boy!)

I wonder about the trend that I have suspected where moms with autoimmune stuff seem to have more boys, and IF as some say, aspartame may aggravate autoimmune stuff, could it be POSSIBLE that some of us prone to autoimmune disease are undermining our sways with aspartame? I DO know that there are a lot of non-sway girl moms who use it all the time (you know the super thin workout moms who drink diet coke all day) but maybe it's something that only affects people who are prone to autoimmune stuff??

I would love to hear people's observations or thoughts on this.

[atomic sagebrush]

remember, everyone used to think probiotics were super good for pink too!!

[Dreamofpink]

Hmmm, good question. I know Aspartame has been in my diet prior to conceiving all of my boys. Granted the first two were typical boy-sway diets with lots of snacking, whereas ds3 was conceived on the rebound from a uber-strict LE sway. With the first two I drank a pint of strong sugar-free squash everyday. With ds3 it was in the fat-free yoghurts that I ate & I also drank diet Pepsi. I have no autoimmune issues either. Perhaps it is the way it interacts with a propensity towards autoimmune issues or perhaps it interacts with body chemistry? I read a book about how losing weight releases toxins that are stored in fat cells and how constant yo-yo dieting can be really harmful as these toxins make their way back into your system. I'm not sure how Aspartame as a chemical could sway blue, but it's very interesting nonetheless :)

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[usuallywrite]

I drank some CL prior to ds1, not gallons or anything, but I would keep it around the house. Then I was hearing so much negative about aspartame, I pretty much removed it from my life. I occasionally chew sugar free gum, but that is the only source of it for me. So with CL, I had a boy, and without aspartame, boy, boy, girl, boy, boy. That's probably not helpful at all, sorry. :) I should add, no autoimmune issues at all.

[dloui128]

I never used any kind of aspartame when I had my girls, I drank regular soda. when I conceived my son I would occasionally have a diet pepsi if I was craving soda, and sometimes I had crystal light if I was sick of all the water I was drinking. It was not tons of aspartame by any means, but it was more than when I had my girls.

I don't have any auto immune diseases, but DH does, he has ulcerative colitis

[eleena2014]

I drank loads of normal Pepsi/coke with my two boys.never would have thought of touching the stuff.I started drinking diet a few year ago when starting weight watchers and since swaying hardly ever touch Pepsi or cola if its not diet

[Prepsina2014]

I never ever had aspartame or other artificial sweeteners when I conceived my son. Since swaying I have started having a maximum of 500 ml diet coke a day - not for swaying but to tame my hunger between meals ;)

[Flowergirl]

On the other side of the aspartame fence here! I hadn't touched it at all for about 10 years prior to my pink sway (have two boys aged 5 & 3) but when swaying for our daughter I included diet coke, aspartame sweetener, diet yoghurt etc. into my daily diet.. In saying that I also literally halved my cals, protein and fat intake to sway (for 8 months) so that could have been more of a "sway" then the addition of aspartame.

[oncue]

I was always conscious of my weight when I fell pregnant with my DDs, so of I was ever fighting off a craving id be drinking diet soda to 'fill me up' or a skinny latte. I stopped any type of soda before TTC this time.

[LilithWiser1979]

I conceived all my boys avoiding aspartame like the plague. Seriously, the stuff scares me. For my DD's sway, I took the Target brand of fiber supps with aspartame in it daily (probably a small amount,) and all the other fake sugars I took were sucralose (Splenda.) Interesting thought! I hope aspartame can be taken out of the pink sway. It's gross and I don't trust it.

[littleladyplus2]

Interesting.

I'm curious about the autoimmune issue, because I would have guessed it would sway pink if you look at declining maternal condition?

Not that anyone should go untreated, obviously, just to sway, but I would've thought an undiagnosed condition would sway more pink than blue.


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[blueeyedguys]

I think it depends on the condition. PCOS sways blue. And I'm wondering if hypothyroidism does as well. I've had it since I was 12, but only finally got a dr. to treat me about 3wks before I conceived ds4 because my TSH is "normal" (fyi TSH is a TERRIBLE way to determine thyroid issues, Free T3 is far better).

As for aspartame, I think all artificial sweeteners taste terrible and they actually make dh sick, so we try to avoid them as much as possible. It is HARD finding sugar free & artificial sweetener free flavoured drinks (dh has type 1 diabetes).

I was debating adding a bit to my sway, but I really, really think it's very toxic & can't convince myself it's worth it. One reason I left InGender was the insane amounts of aspartame. And if it possibly sways boy for some people for whatever reason? Yikes!

[covered in blue]

Very interesting :). Maybe we could start separating it out in the stats and track it for a while. I may have some time in a couple of months (we are moving soon).

Blueeyedguys I was just wondering about thyroid hormone swaying the other day. I have a friend with hyperthyroid (has been for years) and I thought she seems soooooo blue friendly - she has 2 girls and 1 boy.

[atomic sagebrush]

Most autoimmune diseases (Type one diabetes and MS are the exceptions that pop into my head here) sway blue, of that I am well and truly convinced. On that, I"ve seen a very strong trend. I"m not convinced that aspartame causes it to flare up, that was just a guess. I think it could sway blue for other reasons, that was just supposition.

Declining condition means something a bit different than autoimmune. With autoimmune stuff you are almost in TOO good a condition - your immune system is hyperactive, hypervigilant. When I'm sick, my eczema gets a lot better. A lot of people with autoimmune stuff also have PCOS which again, is like being in too good a condition - too many hormones, almost too fertile. There is a continuum where people have PCOS on one end and then declined condition leading to hypothalamic amenorrhea on the other. Blue, to pink.

I doubt small amounts of aspartame sway hard in either direction (always doubted that) I am thinking of the people who are doing the totally insane amounts. We don't have many on here but I know some ladies are "IG refugees"...

[atomic sagebrush]

The thyroid stuff and swaying has been a matter of very great debate. I personally think there is a bit of coincidence coming into play because Hashimoto's is so strongly linked to PCOS, that many people have or know someone who has Hashimoto's and all boys and they are like a-ha, thyroid must sway blue. But I have seen tons of all girl moms with both hyper and hypo and so I am not sure that's a for-real deal or just coincidence (as in, a lady that has a sluggish thyroid may tend to diet strictly and have girls despite being on balance "set" for boys)

AGAIN, can't say strongly enough how this is entirely speculation on my part - would love to have an army of grad students at my disposal to sort thru some studies for me.

[Midwest_Complex]

I drank a LOT of soda when I got pregnant with both girls. Normal Coke. I have always been anti-aspartame. (Now I am anti all soda lol) but I truly believe that any woman TTC should not be drinking that toxic stuff. Beyond swaying, we have to focus on a healthy baby and that stuff is just no good at all.

My SIL who has 2 boys drinks diet drinks religiously. She eats a very boy friendly diet, is slightly overweight, but does buy into the diet soda thing.

I had a LE diet with both girls, but I would go through the drive-thru and grab a large coke almost daily before I ran errands and it was like a "meal" for me. I also didnt use any sugar-free coffee creamers or get skinny coffee drinks..always normal sugar.

[Midwest_Complex]

And the thyroid issue is a blur. I know so many mom's who have all of one gendered who have thyroid issues. Which is strange...I do wonder if hypo sways one way and hyper sways another. One mom friend has 3 girls and is pn thyroid meds and another mom friend has 4 boys who is also on thyroid meds

[missxo143]

I have never been a diet anything drinker or soda.. Never drank CL til starting my sway for a girl. I have 3 boys . DH always told me the bad about aspartame so I avoided it, til now lol

[sweetdream]

I think it could. I drank tons of diet coke. and in the coffee I put sweets. I've got at least 3 auto-imune diseases. so that counts up as well. and got 3 boys. I don't drank diet coke in about 2 years leading up to this baby. I drank some other drink though. but not as much as the diet coke and also the coffee was less then before. I hope it helped with the sway.

I am hypo thyroid. and got 3 boys. but also know one lady who has 2 girls.
I know one hyper thyroid person who has 2 girls.
but we saw on the forum that the hypo thyroid tends to have more boys.

I prolly dieted lots all my life. I was slightly over weight with my first and (this baby) with the second I had a real good weight (low carb diet and lots of walking and being treated for thyroid after 13 years of not diagnosed) But just let diet go a bit in the month i conceived not knowing sway tactics.
third son I didn't believe in the sway tactics I knew since I've used them with ds2. (low ph douche timing hot bath etc)
so we just go for it. couple weeks prior to conceiving I tried running and got injured so after one month of running I couldn't walk properly for 3 weeks. can't help but think this went hand in hand with getting boys.

I had a tooo weird diet thought. (low call but it would change too much even very strict dieting would not let me lose any weight. )

[atomic sagebrush]

And the thyroid issue is a blur. I know so many mom's who have all of one gendered who have thyroid issues. Which is strange...I do wonder if hypo sways one way and hyper sways another. One mom friend has 3 girls and is pn thyroid meds and another mom friend has 4 boys who is also on thyroid meds

Yes exactly, this is me too. I see lots of one/mostly gendered families with thyroid stuff (both hypo and hyper) but it really seems to be pretty evenly split so I have that in my "things to watch" brainbox. :) thanks for sharing observations

[Boysway]

An old work mate of mine has thyroid issues. She has a boy and a girl. She did have the thyroid issues sorted but I'm not sure if that was between kids. There isn't much of an age gap between the kids so I don't think so.

[carmella_marie]

None with ds1
Loads with ds2

[maidentomother]

I'm with Lilith. I avoid aspartame religiously, along with trans fats. I don't think they are safe in any amounts. Sucralose/Splenda is fine, though, IMO.

[carmella_marie]

I think it depends on the condition. PCOS sways blue. And I'm wondering if hypothyroidism does as well. I've had it since I was 12, but only finally got a dr. to treat me about 3wks before I conceived ds4 because my TSH is "normal" (fyi TSH is a TERRIBLE way to determine thyroid issues, Free T3 is far better).


As for aspartame, I think all artificial sweeteners taste terrible and they actually make dh sick, so we try to avoid them as much as possible. It is HARD finding sugar free & artificial sweetener free flavoured drinks (dh has type 1 diabetes).

I was debating adding a bit to my sway, but I really, really think it's very toxic & can't convince myself it's worth it. One reason I left InGender was the insane amounts of aspartame. And if it possibly sways boy for some people for whatever reason? Yikes!


I too was hypothyroid with both boys ( both failed sways) I went Undiagnosed for YEARS bc docs only tested TSH. When I finally got a doc who tested free t3 and t4 it was dangerously low. I'm feeling great on naturethroid now and hoping it helps get pink!!!

[blueeyedguys]

I too was hypothyroid with both boys ( both failed sways) I went Undiagnosed for YEARS bc docs only tested TSH. When I finally got a doc who tested free t3 and t4 it was dangerously low. I'm feeling great on naturethroid now and hoping it helps get pink!!!

I'm so glad you're doing better! Un/under treated hypothyroidism is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm with Lilith. I avoid aspartame religiously, along with trans fats. I don't think they are safe in any amounts. Sucralose/Splenda is fine, though, IMO.

I had a horrible reaction to Splenda so I'm not a fan of it, personally.

[maidentomother]

What kind of a reaction? I don't consume much splenda bc it's much too sweet for me as it is used in most products. I prefer less sweet like glucose or xylitol. But I can at least say that from a chemical perspective, splenda seems stable and safe, and the research on it doesn't worry me. But it might not sway at all (beyond indirectly, if used in place of caloric sweeteners) simply bc it IS safe.

[hotdogz&boyz]

Interesting line of thought. I conceived my first son drinking far, far too much diet soda. I also had an undiagnosed autoimmune issue. HOWEVER, the rest of everything was "how to conceive a boy 101." Lol. Gaining weight, occasional exercise each week at random times, sex every 2-3 days, snacking and maintaining blood sugar, etc, etc. So, it's hard to really say if the diet drinks had a part in that. (Oh, but he was a BC baby, which I believe sways pink, so there's that).

My second son we had JUST begun treating the autoimmune disorder. Like, the week we conceived him we realized the problem and went to medication. I drank some diet soda, but nothing excessive. I wouldn't say my diet or pattern was particularly girly or boyish in terms of diet, timing, etc. Just some of each.

My daughter, we had actively been treating the autoimmune condition for over a year. I drank pretty little diet soda/aspertame with her. And we swayed girl. Not an overly aggressive sway though.

This baby, again, actively treating the autoimmune disorder, light pink sway. Not sure what the outcome is. I did probably consume slightly more diet drinks before conceiving this child. I was "burning the candle at both ends" this time and had some personal issues going on. I know I relied on soda and coffee to get me through.

I wonder if you might be onto something with the autoimmune and aspertame though. I know my dad has an autoimmune is very sensitive to aspertame. Now, not necessarily linked, I also know a gentleman who has Lupus and can't tolerate diet soda.

I'm not a huge fan of aspertame, but, unfortunately, I love diet soda. I hate the taste of regular soda. How backwards is that?! I'd be curious as to the link between these things, if any. Although the only child I can say I drank aspertame to excess was my first son.

[atomic sagebrush]

What kind of a reaction? I don't consume much splenda bc it's much too sweet for me as it is used in most products. I prefer less sweet like glucose or xylitol. But I can at least say that from a chemical perspective, splenda seems stable and safe, and the research on it doesn't worry me. But it might not sway at all (beyond indirectly, if used in place of caloric sweeteners) simply bc it IS safe.

It gave me insomnia, panic attacks and heart palpitations. Never had a panic attack before or since. I realized I was waking up feeling fine, then drinking my mid-morning tea with splenda, feeling terrible for the next several hours, then starting to feel better around dinner time, then having an herbal tea with splenda, ending up having a panic attack at bedtime and unable to sleep for several hours. When I dropped the Splenda, it went away and never came back (evne tho I still continue to drink both tea and herb tea)

I know that chemically it doesn't look like it should do anything, but when I accidentally eat something that has splenda in it (which happens from time to time since it's included in more and more things) I immediately start to feel very weird and strange. IT's not a coincidence or in my mind, either, because it has happened with things that I have safely consumed before such as v8 splash and Lipton green tea when they added splenda to them suddenly and without my notice. :) IT's also in one flavor of rice cake and I had eaten all the other flavors of rice cakes with no issue and then reacted only to the one with the Splenda in it (and again, I did not read the label prior to eating it)

[maidentomother]

Wow, that's awful - but also fascinating. I don't think it's in your head at all. Halogenated substances are often psychoactive/neuroactive (halogens are highly reactive & most antidepressants are halogenated) and sucralose is tri-chlorinated, so there is probably a clear biochemical basis for your reaction. Most likely certain receptors of yours are slightly different from most people's, just enough that they partially bind with sucralose, producing those unpleasant side effects. It could be genetic, so I'd warn your kids if you haven't already.

[Princess of Pink]

I have always had diet everything...I didn't eat/drink it if it wasn't diet. With all of my girls I was drinking 600ml - 2L of either Diet Coke, Coke Zero or Pepsi Max every day. Until about 2yrs ago I had never touched soda that wasn't diet. Now haven't touched anything diet in 2 years. Don't know if it will make a difference?

[atomic sagebrush]

You ahve made so many positive changes PoP!!! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

A few times when I told people I had reacted to Splenda they told me it was all in my head LOL. :)

Yes I have my big boys also avoiding the stuff. My little ones don't do artificial sweeteners except for sugar free gum with Xylitol.

[Midwest_Complex]

Atomic- I have had splenda foods/drinks as well (without reading the label like you) and felt the same way. My husband is also the same..I definitely don't think it's in your head. I had a splenda popsicle over the summer and even up having a mental breakdown afterwards. It is scary IMO the people who still consume it without connecting the two...

[Linzshine32]

With DS I drank regular everything - soda (coke) and all other drinks were full sugar.

On my girl sway i'm doing coke zero instead and sometimes i have a CL every day too. Splenda in my pep tea.

[The Anchor]

Dr. Mercola scared me aware from the stuff, LOL. I was getting headaches every time I consumed it, and tried to look up the connection. I quit it altogether about 8 years ago, long before I was even TTC.

Anecdotally...the very large majority of my friends have a PP. Really, it's kinda weird. But if I have a look at my few friends that have one gender only, well you might be right atomic...one friend with 4 boys who literally LIVES off of diet coke and diet sprite. Another friend with 3 boys who is naturally fit, hardly tries at all, no exercise, but drinks a LOT of diet coke. You might be on to something :wink:

[atomic sagebrush]

bumping for more responses!

[ksmom]

This is an interesting thread! I was debating whether or not to include aspartame in my sway but I don't think I will now since I have an autoimmune disease (celiac).

Before DS1 I drank full sugar soda and drank CL with Truvia. I developed a corn allergy after having DS1 so I never drank soda before conceiving DS2. I do know a mom who got a girl after two boys and she was drinking Diet Coke regularly but I don't think it was in excessive amounts.

[Dana-Alicia]

I don't remember if I had a lot of diet coke with DD. I probably didn't as I was apoor student at the time and water was cheaper. But I def did not have it with my boys. Def boy lifestyle with them though and girl lifestyle with DD. I started drinking diet coke at the beginning of my sway (about 2 weeks ago) to get from meal to meal, but am now thinking I should either cut back or stop completely. I've always been drinking a lot of water, with all three of my pregnancies. Should I rather stick to water now? Especially since I have an auto immune disease?

[atomic sagebrush]

I think that in dietary amounts 1-3 servings a day it is fine for anyone except people who really feel like it affects them. I would not have more than that amount though.

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

I've replaced my drive through McDonald's coffees (2 cream, no sugar) with diet coke bc its a) dollar drink days lol and b) zero grams of fat. It's helped keep me in check, but that being said I DO have more headaches... That could be many other things but as soon as I get bfp the diet is dumped with aspartame at the top of the list!


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[dreamingofsecondpink]

I have one child a daughter and I drink tons of diet drinks per day, always have. Mainly coke zero or pepsi max. Sometimes 5 or more cans a day. Bad a I know!

[twointow83]

I'm no expert, but I know what you are talking about. When I was on ingender, before moving here, I tried to force myself to drink aspartame. BUT just like always,I ended up with a horrible flare of my IBS so I stopped ad switched to drinking powerade zero (sucralose) and other drinks with either small amounts of sugar or sucralose. Both were very close to when I got pregnant, so I am not sure if that helps you are not but I know I was drinking the powerade for at least 2 weeks before I got pregnant (girl). I can also tell you that with each of my other pregnancies (3 boys) my drink of choice was soda, regular non-diet, with sweet tea being a close second. I don't know if that helps ANYTHING but I wanted to at least TRY to help you out if I could... I can't say for sure but in my case the biggest change in my diet before I got pregnant this last time was my beverages so I think there may be something to what we drink and our sway but I just don't know if that is just the change in calories, caffeine or sugar type...

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: Exactly and that is why your responses help so much!! IT's not apparent with one person, or two, or ten, but over time the data starts to add up and I can get more of a feel for if and how these things are working.

Thus far I am not feeling the diet drinks as working, just because I saw so many people back on Ingender that were doing tons of them and getting boys with that. It makes me suspicious that it's just lower cals overall that is doing something, and also that those of us who drink sugar pop tend to drink them all day long beteen meals (I used to do that all the time - sugary drinks every couple hours when I wasn't even eating)

[Mulberry Smurf]

I drink TONNES of diet coke (aspartme) and have two boys so maybe a sway factor here xx

[atomic sagebrush]

A lot of this is fun to speculate about but we just don't have as much info as we'd need to know for sure.

I do know I got my boys never drinking bottled water and then my girl drinking it, but that is just me.

[Bobster]

Atomic due you think water intake can sway? I drink hardly anything as I never feel thirsty but have been drinking diet coke loads since swaying (only just found this thread)!

What are signs of autoimmune disorders? I'm in a pickle now about whether to continue the aspartame. The last 2 cycles I've been drinking tonnes and have developed bacterial vaginosis mid cycle requiring antibiotics, do you think it's linked? I never usually get BV

[atomic sagebrush]

I have a (really old so don't take it TOO seriously) thread about water and swaying here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/2159-water-water-everywhere-pink-blue.html which has an explanation as to why I do not believe that water has anything to do with gender.

When you guys are swaying I want you to drink to the level of YOUR THIRST and do not mess around either drinking nothing (some people think they'll dry up CM) or drinking a lot (to wash out nutrients or sodium or whatever else people come up with) The risk is that you end up with electrolyte imbalance and this can be VERY dangerous - especially anyone who is not getting enough potassium or taking the InGender minerals and limiting sodium, drink to your level of thirst.

Autoimmune diseases are situations where your body is actually attacking itself (allergies, eczema, celiac, psoriasis, lupus, Sjogren's Syndrome, some thyroid conditions are also autoimmune in origin) if you have to ask if you have one, you probably don't. It is not things like yeast or BV because those are external things attacking your body. This is your own body and immune system attacking itself.

[dreamingofsecondpink]

sorry I cant see what the auto immune diseases have to do with the thread. Is it something to do with swaying? or is it because those with autoimmune diseases shouldt have aspartame? Asking as my hubby has psoriasis and I have a blood condition with little no white blood cells and cetaphills so wondering if that sways on its own?

[maidentomother]

pinkbean, for the past 3 years I have been very prone to painful functional cysts also but I'm definitely not E dominant, it's always been in normal range, nowhere near high. So unless you've had bloodwork done I wouldn't assume.


Dreaming, for reasons we don't know, women with AI disorders seem to have more boys.

[atomic sagebrush]

sorry I cant see what the auto immune diseases have to do with the thread. Is it something to do with swaying? or is it because those with autoimmune diseases shouldt have aspartame? Asking as my hubby has psoriasis and I have a blood condition with little no white blood cells and cetaphills so wondering if that sways on its own?

Since back in the days of IG several of us have noticed a connection with allergies and autoimmune disorders in WOMEN and more sons conceived both on the site and in real life. It may be nothing, could be totally anectodal and not true, but there are WAY more women with Hashimotos, rheumatoid arthritis, eczema, celiac, psoriasis and Sjogren's Syndrome and all boys that we know of. The reason why this thread exists is that I was wondering if aspartame might aggravate autoimmune disorders and could possibly sway blue. I have just seen sooo many women who were doing insane levels of aspartame getting boys with otherwise good sways, that I was speculating if there could be some connection.

[atomic sagebrush]

pinkbean, for the past 3 years I have been very prone to painful functional cysts also but I'm definitely not E dominant, it's always been in normal range, nowhere near high. So unless you've had bloodwork done I wouldn't assume.


Dreaming, for reasons we don't know, women with AI disorders seem to have more boys.

We don't know it for a fact because it hasn't been studied enough but there does seem to be a strong observational trend that way. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic due you think water intake can sway? I drink hardly anything as I never feel thirsty but have been drinking diet coke loads since swaying (only just found this thread)!

What are signs of autoimmune disorders? I'm in a pickle now about whether to continue the aspartame. The last 2 cycles I've been drinking tonnes and have developed bacterial vaginosis mid cycle requiring antibiotics, do you think it's linked? I never usually get BV

Just reread this and I want to point out I don't want ANYONE drinking TONS of aspartame. Never do more than 2-3 12-16 oz servings a day. This is the amount that has been studied and approved by the FDA as safe during pregnancy and since no one knows how long it takes to leave your body, I think it wisest to stick with that intake.

It doesn't work to drink more anyway, and I have seen jillions of opposites in the ladies drinking cray-cray amounts of the stuff to ever recommend anyone taking a risk even if that risk is purely theoretical.

[atomic sagebrush]

PLEASE please ladies do not buy into the "estrogen dominance" hype based on symptoms. If you do not have bloodwork you cannot know if you have a hormonal "imbalance" if such a thing even exists (open for great debate) and there are tons of sites online willing to take peopel's money to "fix" a problem that may not even be real anyway. :)

[maidentomother]

^^^Amen! E dominance definitely exists, but there are many reasons you can have the same symptoms, and there seems to be a bit of obsession/hype with E dominance lately, and progesterone cream etc being a miracle cure (which it so is not). Similar to those sites that blame every health problem on full body Candida infection. Basically there is a lot of misinformation online especially when it comes to health and OTC/herbal 'remedies'.

[dreamingofsecondpink]

Thanks I re read the first post and saw that :) I was just reading back the last few pages and couldnt see where it related. silly me!

[dreamingofsecondpink]

So if I do have an autoimmume disease and drink tons of aspartame maybe it actually counteracts it as I have a girl. Not a good sample size as only have one child! But I also thought bodies in state of shock/ disease etc would actually sway girl. My extended family is extremely girl heavy and we have serious blood conditions and psoriasis all through it. Long term stress is also supposedly swaying pink isnt it? and psoriasis can be caused by stress.

[maidentomother]

dreaming, as with everything it's just a trend, not a guarantee or even necessarily a major sway factor. We don't know bc it hasn't been studied, just observed by a couple of swayers/atomic tge sway guru. Most likely it's the milder forms of AI conditions which sway blue, while the really severe cases that impact overall health and ability to function normally may sway pink, as very poor health can. Of course a big factor is probably whether the type of AI condition impacts fertility at all. If it does, I would think that would be more likely to sway pink, but generally most AI conditions, especially when mild in expression, don't directly affect fertility.

I do really wonder at the mechanism for AI swaying blue - any theories, atomic? I have a niggling suspicion it's related to inflammation, which is present in many if not most AI conditions, and maybe sometimes that inflammation improves fertility?

[atomic sagebrush]

dreaming, as with everything it's just a trend, not a guarantee or even necessarily a major sway factor. We don't know bc it hasn't been studied, just observed by a couple of swayers/atomic tge sway guru. Most likely it's the milder forms of AI conditions which sway blue, while the really severe cases that impact overall health and ability to function normally may sway pink, as very poor health can. Of course a big factor is probably whether the type of AI condition impacts fertility at all. If it does, I would think that would be more likely to sway pink, but generally most AI conditions, especially when mild in expression, don't directly affect fertility.

I do really wonder at the mechanism for AI swaying blue - any theories, atomic? I have a niggling suspicion it's related to inflammation, which is present in many if not most AI conditions, and maybe sometimes that inflammation improves fertility?

:agree: that is why I wrote hypothetical - just a couple things I've noticed along the way.

I believe that it's both simpler and more complex than we're making it - I doubt it comes down to something quite as simple as inflammation but at the same time I do keep coming back to the idea that for some of us, we may be in TOO good a condition - autoimmune and PCOS are like this - it's like our bodies are too hypervigilant, making too many hormones or whatever. This probably made sense in a different environment when we might have been able to stay fertile on a subpar diet but nowadays we both have 3-4-5-or more boys and our own bodies are malfunctioning from too much of a good thing. :)

[2xblue]

I hardly never drank any sodas at all when concieved my boys. Now I'm swaying for a girl and started to drink diet coke. Now that I found this thread I'm really thinking I should maybe stop diet soda completely. I know this is just hypothetical but it makes me wonder. Even if I didn't use aspartame when concieved our boys. I have atopic eczema, I've had it since I was a child. Also I might have a some kind of pollen (hope that's the right word in English) allergy. It's not diagnosed but I've been having couple of symptoms this spring/summer. I hope I have a good change at having my DG when swaying even though I have autoimmune issues.

[Mulberry Smurf]

Not really related but didnt know where else to put it, saw an article on my fitness pal today about how exercising whilst fasting raises T levels and regulates insulin. Just wondered if there may be a recommended exercise time during a pink sway ie after eating rather than in the morning during fasting? I dunno how these things work but wondering if that's why sometimes exercise and diet produces opposites? xx

[atomic sagebrush]

I hardly never drank any sodas at all when concieved my boys. Now I'm swaying for a girl and started to drink diet coke. Now that I found this thread I'm really thinking I should maybe stop diet soda completely. I know this is just hypothetical but it makes me wonder. Even if I didn't use aspartame when concieved our boys. I have atopic eczema, I've had it since I was a child. Also I might have a some kind of pollen (hope that's the right word in English) allergy. It's not diagnosed but I've been having couple of symptoms this spring/summer. I hope I have a good change at having my DG when swaying even though I have autoimmune issues.

I honestly don't know the answer to this, its why I started the thread because I have just seen way too many of the insanity aspartame people get boys. It can't be doing anything to sway, it just can't be if all the people drinking it by the gallon every day are all getting boys (and they really are!)

I got my girl without it after my 4th boy drinking in mod. levels. Never drank it with my other boys. I also have eczema and pollen allergies.

[atomic sagebrush]

Not really related but didnt know where else to put it, saw an article on my fitness pal today about how exercising whilst fasting raises T levels and regulates insulin. Just wondered if there may be a recommended exercise time during a pink sway ie after eating rather than in the morning during fasting? I dunno how these things work but wondering if that's why sometimes exercise and diet produces opposites? xx

Swaying will always produce opposites and there is not going to be any magic bullet that explains it, I don't think. :) But thanks for sharing it!!!

We honestly do not know how swaying works, if testosterone even has anything to do with it or not, it's just a theory. The blood sugar stuff actually has more solid scientific support than the testosterone. I think there's something to be said for people exercising at the time of day and in the eating pattern that works best for them and not overthinking it since we don't even know that it matters anyway.

[Mulberry Smurf]

Thanks atomic, just got hooked when I saw it mention T levels and insulin lol, appreciate your reply :) xx

[atomic sagebrush]

Check this one out: Allergies, Hay Fever, and Asthma may be linked to PCOS (http://soulcysters.com/allergies-hay-fever-and-asthma-may-be-linked-to-pcos/)

[chocolate]

So bringing up this thread again as I have Pcos, seem to have been far too healthy and happy this winter and not getting sick. And just developing eczema patches which might be from starting to drink caffiene free coffee with sweetner and sweetner in my zero fizzy drink.
Based on that would it be better to use a tidy bit of sugar in the coffee and switch to water drinks? I got 3 boys on diet coke so thinking that maybe I should try and go without the sweetner?

Edited: so after reading all the thread I think I am going to try to just drink water and caffiene free coffee with no sweetner or sugar. I may be one of these that sweetner agrivates my autoimmune issues and sways blue. Glad I found this thread!

[atomic sagebrush]

I did reply in your other thread as well chocolate.

Another thing to consider (from one eczema sufferer to another) is that I find that the healthier I am, the worse my eczema. I've had atrocious eczema the last several months (and allergies) and I have been sick off and on the last month - eczema is nearly gone. (seriously, not exaggerating this, had not given it a moment of thought till I clicked open this thread and looked down at my hands and was like WOW it really is practially gone!!)

the crazy thing about autoimmune disorders is that they aren't always about what you're doing/eating, whatever it's because your immune system is just so hyped up that it attacks itself. I think we are so used to the idea that it's got to be something we are ingesting but autoimmune is something your body often just does to its own silly self. :)

That having been said no harm in leaving it out.

[Share315]

I was diagnosed with celiac disease a few months ago and I have three beautiful boys. I always thought that an AI disorder would be pink swaying too so this is fascinating to me that the celiac may actually have been swaying blue all along. As for aspartame, I didn't have any of it with my first two boys (wasn't swaying at all back then), with my third son I did drink it (mostly CL) but not excessively. I'm still swaying pink for our last attempt and I was drinking more of it this go around but now hearing that it may actually be aggrevating my celiac I'm rethinking things! Maybe I should cut it out completely? I've been gluten free for the last 3+ months so I'm hope the CL hasn't been slowing down my healing from the celiac...?

[onebigwish]

I have never used aspartame when I conceived my Boys! But I will take it for my girl sway.

[atomic sagebrush]

I was diagnosed with celiac disease a few months ago and I have three beautiful boys. I always thought that an AI disorder would be pink swaying too so this is fascinating to me that the celiac may actually have been swaying blue all along. As for aspartame, I didn't have any of it with my first two boys (wasn't swaying at all back then), with my third son I did drink it (mostly CL) but not excessively. I'm still swaying pink for our last attempt and I was drinking more of it this go around but now hearing that it may actually be aggrevating my celiac I'm rethinking things! Maybe I should cut it out completely? I've been gluten free for the last 3+ months so I'm hope the CL hasn't been slowing down my healing from the celiac...?

I doubt it, it's just one of those hypothetical things I like to wonder about. I prefer not to wait around till I hear of anyone actually being harmed by something, i like to strike first even on things that are only possibly harmful - especially when I know for a fact that they cannot possibly be swaying (since I saw so many people drinking insane amounts and getting boys anyway!

[amelia10]

dreaming, as with everything it's just a trend, not a guarantee or even necessarily a major sway factor. We don't know bc it hasn't been studied, just observed by a couple of swayers/atomic tge sway guru. Most likely it's the milder forms of AI conditions which sway blue, while the really severe cases that impact overall health and ability to function normally may sway pink, as very poor health can. Of course a big factor is probably whether the type of AI condition impacts fertility at all. If it does, I would think that would be more likely to sway pink, but generally most AI conditions, especially when mild in expression, don't directly affect fertility.

I do really wonder at the mechanism for AI swaying blue - any theories, atomic? I have a niggling suspicion it's related to inflammation, which is present in many if not most AI conditions, and maybe sometimes that inflammation improves fertility?
Interesting because I have eczema and 3 sons ... Perhaps around the whole inflammation side your more inclined to take high doses of evening primrose oil, omegas etc to reduce inflammation and thus having more boys. I know I took very high doses of epo, omegas and starflower oil.

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[queen-of-harts]

I have been using about four packets a day of aspartame instead of sugar.Its not a lot and I figured it was better than sugar...I sure hope so lol

[atomic sagebrush]

Interesting because I have eczema and 3 sons ... Perhaps around the whole inflammation side your more inclined to take high doses of evening primrose oil, omegas etc to reduce inflammation and thus having more boys. I know I took very high doses of epo, omegas and starflower oil.

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I'm telling ya - this is one of those things that people tell me again and again and while I can't back it up with data, enough people have told me that, that I'm convinced it means something...eczema and lots of boys. Truly a strange correlation there, and yes, there are people who have it and have girls, just that the overall trend is that way.

I never took any of those things and have 4 boys. :) I think it's something to do with whatever is up with our bodies.

[atomic sagebrush]

Interesting because I have eczema and 3 sons ... Perhaps around the whole inflammation side your more inclined to take high doses of evening primrose oil, omegas etc to reduce inflammation and thus having more boys. I know I took very high doses of epo, omegas and starflower oil.

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I'm telling ya - this is one of those things that people tell me again and again and while I can't back it up with data, enough people have told me that, that I'm convinced it means something...eczema and lots of boys. Truly a strange correlation there, and yes, there are people who have it and have girls, just that the overall trend is that way.

I never took any of those things and have 4 boys. :) I think it's something to do with whatever is up with our bodies.

[atomic sagebrush]

I have been using about four packets a day of aspartame instead of sugar.Its not a lot and I figured it was better than sugar...I sure hope so lol

that's not enough to harm anything!!!

[cosmosis]

Well, aspartame really does a huge number on the body in a negative way. I did alot of bad things when I conceived DD, so it is difficult to say if aspartame was influantial in any way. lol.

As for eczema and other autoimmune diseases, it may not be the disease itself, rather, the foods that cause the autoimmune reaction. People with eczema are usually (but not always) heavy with dairy and grains, which both tend to have alot to offer from a nutritional perspective. Same is true for other autoimmune diseases. Most protocols have people eliminate these two items first and most see relief rather quickly.

something to chew on, no pun intended ha!

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, that would be interesting to investigate.

I have eczema from other causes. I've done every elimination food diet in the book and it's been pretty much my constant state of existence since I hit puberty except for the occasional time like now when I'm ill and it clears up. I am allergic to a lot of lotions and medicines, not so much foods. Plus, this is not only eczema but also other totally immune disorder things where I've noticed it. (particularly RA and Hashimoto's) I really think there is something there and it's something I would love, love, love to have the $$ to investigate it. :)

[Greydore]

My mom has autoimmune issues (colitis) and had 4 girls, no boys. My grandma also had autoimmune issues and had 2 girls and 1 boy. My mom drank a little diet soda when my sisters and I were conceived.

I drank no soda when I got pregnant with my boys and don't have autoimmune issues that I know of.

[Honu]

I'm a big diet coke drinker with 2 girls.

[Throwaway_panther]

I just came across this and am surprised I never commented!

I was ingesting a lot of aspartame and artificial sweeteners in general before DD (diet soda, those ICE drinks -- I drank SO many of those before DD), and I do happen to be in the autoimmune camp (Reynaud's, hypothyroidism), to the point that REs were treating me in that camp for awhile. Have been on none for this pregnancy.

[LonelyPotato]

I have asthma & psoriasis, drink a lot of aspartame laced drinks and only have one boy so far. I did sway for my 3rd and lost a bit of weight before my 4th, but found the low everything diet a bit too taxing. I hope that helps.