Temps during cycle?

[belleboi]

Now that my 2WW is about to start, I am over-analyzing everything, LOL. I read somewhere that your BBT during your cycle can be more conducive, one way or another, to a certain sex. I think it's high tempers favor girls, and lower temps favor boys? Why is this or is it an OWT? My temps my first cycle were pretty low throughout, until I ovulated. This cycle was all over the place though. I had at least three that were sky high:worry:

Also, it appears as though my cycles are pretty long in general. My LP is at least 14 days, which is good but my entire cycle last time (and this time, it looks like) was 35 days with a late O date. I've read there are different reasons for a late O day: increased testosterone, PCOS, or declining maternal health. Hopefully mine is bc of increased testosterone!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/52a4cf

[belleboi]

Well now things are looking weird. No temp rise today. Actually dropped by a degree. Did I just not ovulate? What to do now? Ugh.

[maidentomother]

I don't think you have Oed yet. As for looking at your temps after O, I don't think they can even tell you if you're pregnant, let alone which gender! Definitely an OWT with no basis IMO.

[belleboi]

Thank you! I don't think I've O'ed yet either, which is quite disappointing as I was happy with our frequency:(

I meant the temps BEFORE O. I don't know where I read this...I think it might be from a thread here actually. Probably still an OWT, but I was just curious:)

[The Anchor]

I don't think you've O'd yet. I haven't heard the temps theory before, but I'm sure it's just an OWT, if it were real everyone would be stalking their temps!

[maidentomother]

I doubt that theoy would work as there can be both pink and blue reasons why pre O/overall temps are low or high.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, you are overthinking this. It's an idea, one of those things that may be true, may not be, and I just really, really do not want you guys poring over temp readings and obsessing over them when there is really NO hard scientific data that hormones even do anything in and of themselves. Besides all that, it is the overall average of temps and not just 3 misc. high temps.

35 days is not a long cycle. It is normal.

The idea is that if you have more estrogen (which lowers temps) and less progesterone (which raises them) sways blue. So the "hypothesis" is if you are more boy-friendly your temps will be lower than normal. But at the same time, it is NORMAL for you to have very little progesterone in your FP anyway, and EVERYONE needs a prety high level of estrogen just to get pregnant with any baby, so to me, this whole thing doesn't hold any water.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you! I don't think I've O'ed yet either, which is quite disappointing as I was happy with our frequency:(

I meant the temps BEFORE O. I don't know where I read this...I think it might be from a thread here actually. Probably still an OWT, but I was just curious:)

I agree I don't think you've Oed.

[belleboi]

OF COURSE I get a +OPK tonight after DH is already asleep. We will get on it tomorrow morning and hopefully my temps will cooperate with me this time.

So, how does this sound...tomorrow morning then again tomorrow night? what about the day after tomorrow (might be the day after O...)

[belleboi]

I need help please! I have no idea what's going on with my cycle. It doesn't look like my positive OPK from the other day was real either. What should I do now? That's two fake LH surges. I'm so frustrated.

[atomic sagebrush]

Tell me more about what you're doing to sway. ARe you taking supps? IF so, what?

[belleboi]

I am on the HE diet. Drinking V8, lemon water, pineapple juice, coconut water and gelatin drink when I can stomach it. Oh and ASG once daily. Supps are multi, folic acid, fish oil, l arginine, and lycopene. I'm working out 3x weekly. Mostly heavy weights but my heart rate goes up as a result of it so I'm getting some cardio as well.

[belleboi]

And I just got another positive OPK this morning.

[The Anchor]

Well a + is a +. Was the test line darker than the control line? THAT is a positive. And yes it is very possible that you geared up to O but it didn't. OPKs measure LH. Ov follows the LH surge, usually anywhere from 8 - 48 hours, with 24 being about the average. You may continue to get +OPKs 1, 2 and even 3 days after the LH surge (3 is rare). But you will ovulate within the window after the FIRST +OPK.

I've got to say, looking at your chart, it still doesn't look to me like you've O'd yet. Do you have a history of irregular or anovulatory cycles? I know l-arginine messed up my cycles...

[belleboi]

Before DD#2 I was using a lady comp to track for TTA (talk about a waste of money, lol). my cycles were generally pretty long then too, though. After DD#2 was born, I was on the mini pill and then regular BCP after a year and just stopped taking it early August. My first cycle off of the pill was 35 days long with an O day at CD 20 or 21.

I did use FMU (although I know that's not generally recommended) for my OPK this morning and it was definitely darker than the test line. I just took another OPK at 1pm and it was negative (test line was slightly lighter than control). I'll take another this evening and see what happens. I wish I would have taken one yesterday but I didn't think I'd get a 3rd LH surge! So weird. We will BD tonight just to be safe but I'm getting pretty discouraged here.

[belleboi]

Oh and my CF is really starting to bug me too. I had one day of a bit of EWCM, a few days watery, and now we are back to stickyish-creamyish. I have preseed (honestly I'm considering using a few pinches of BS in it), but I just don't know if this is the optimal time to BD for blue.

[belleboi]

On a sidenote: I didn't take green tea capsules or drink it JUST because I read that it can delay O...since I've seemed to delay O myself, should I get some green tea capsules to help increase EWCM in the meantime? If I do end up Oing soon, will a couple days of green tea make any difference?

[The Anchor]

Preseed should do the trick. You could also take Robitussin in a pinch. I don't think one or two days of green tea will do anything.

[belleboi]

I mentioned this in the other thread as well, but my temp went up a bit this morning, so if it continues to increase it'll mean that I ovulated yesterday(that'll give me just one attempt in the fertile window at O-2:( ) We'll see in the next few days, anyway.

[belleboi]

So I've also been stalking the results spreadsheet to try to make myself feel a little better about timing (I KNOW, deep down inside, that it's the least important factor). Anyway, I see that the most successful frequency is 3 times, followed by once, then 2 times is at 50%. Is this correct? I will have a better idea tomorrow, but it's looking like yesterday was indeed my O day (having gobs of creamy CM and cervix is low). I'm feeling fantastically bad about my trouble with + OPKs and not knowing what was going on...resulting in only one attempt. ughhh

[atomic sagebrush]

Drop L-arg, it delays O

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree with Anchor, I would not do green tea but use Preseed (wihtout BS) and robi/muci.

[atomic sagebrush]

So I've also been stalking the results spreadsheet to try to make myself feel a little better about timing (I KNOW, deep down inside, that it's the least important factor). Anyway, I see that the most successful frequency is 3 times, followed by once, then 2 times is at 50%. Is this correct? I will have a better idea tomorrow, but it's looking like yesterday was indeed my O day (having gobs of creamy CM and cervix is low). I'm feeling fantastically bad about my trouble with + OPKs and not knowing what was going on...resulting in only one attempt. ughhh

Please take those numbers iwth a grain of salt, because I recommend 3-5 attempts that is just what most people do. 1 attempt is getting us 70% for pink right now and I really strongly recommend doing mroe than one attempt, but it is not a deal breaker in any way. 2 attempts is still going to be better for blue than one, even if that is not reflected in the stats at present.

[belleboi]

Please take those numbers iwth a grain of salt, because I recommend 3-5 attempts that is just what most people do. 1 attempt is getting us 70% for pink right now and I really strongly recommend doing mroe than one attempt, but it is not a deal breaker in any way. 2 attempts is still going to be better for blue than one, even if that is not reflected in the stats at present.

Well, it looks like the other day wasn't O day after all my temp dropped again this morning, LOL. AND I just took an OPK that's positive...ugh!!! That's four postive OPKs with no sign of O. I dropped L-arg a couple days ago. Just started taking Royal Jelly. I'm going to need that superpower atomic blue dust:) and maybe some O dust for good measure.

[atomic sagebrush]

NO NO royal jelly ALSO delays O! Drop both.

[The Anchor]

Have you considered inositol? That really straightened out my cycles...

[belleboi]

Oh no! Lol at least I took just one day or royal jelly. No more!

And anchor, I've never heard of inositol. Very intriguing! Do you think it's something I could start taking now?

My chart is still wonky. I know it's only been two months since I stopped taking the pill, but not knowing when I'm ovulating and getting all of these multiple OPKs is really starting to mess with my head:/

[belleboi]

How do you feel about long cycles and late ovulation? Does it sway at all (I would think girly...)? I'm on CD30 now, no signs of O yet.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh no! Lol at least I took just one day or royal jelly. No more!

And anchor, I've never heard of inositol. Very intriguing! Do you think it's something I could start taking now?

My chart is still wonky. I know it's only been two months since I stopped taking the pill, but not knowing when I'm ovulating and getting all of these multiple OPKs is really starting to mess with my head:/

THe reason why you are not ovulating and getting that many pos OPK is almost 100% certainly the l-arg right after coming off the BCP. You are going to have to give it time. Above all else DO NOT start taking this, that and the other thing in an effort to "fix" this. Your body knows how to fix it but you have to allow that to happen and not throw a ton of herbs at it.

I would not have you start inositol because I do not think the reason for your long cycle has anything to DO with what inositol fixes. It does for some people, but I do not think that is what is going on here and inositol may sway pink.

[atomic sagebrush]

How do you feel about long cycles and late ovulation? Does it sway at all (I would think girly...)? I'm on CD30 now, no signs of O yet.

It depends on the reason WHY the cycle was long. If it's from the l-arginine, it may even sway blue.

[belleboi]

Thank you so much for your insight! My temps have seemed to even out a bit (other than the other night where I had a couple beers late, and went to sleep much later than usual, so I discarded that one) I even had a bit of EWCM last night which was random. I'm still taking my twice daily OPKs and they've been negative. Here's to hoping this isn't an anovulatory cycle.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hmmm...looking at your chart I see a big temp dip today - I wonder if AF is coming.

[belleboi]

yep, I noticed that too. Also having some dull cramping (Cycle 1 was 35 days long too). To be honest, I'll be a bit relieved if AF does come. At least I'll know where I stand and I can start prepping for the next O day. So I'm not taking Royal Jelly or L arginine, can I still take wheatgrass from AF-O (that is, if this cycle really is over...).

[atomic sagebrush]

wheatgrass should be ok - may want to avoid green tea

[belleboi]

I am sincerely beginning to hate my chart, LOL. Oh, I got something called perfect green food. Anything to help fertility, right? I read over the ingredients and nothing is sticking out to be "pink"...so I think I'm ok.

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Scoop (Approx 2 Tablespoons)
Servings per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 30
Calories from Fat 5
Total Fat 1 g 2%
Total Carbohydrate 4 g 1%
Dietary Fiber 1 g 4%
Sugars 1 g *
Protein 3 g 6%
Vitamin A (as beta-carotene) 8000 IU 160%
Vitamin C 60 mg 100%
Calcium 100 mg 10%
Iron 3 mg 17%
Sodium 55 mg 2%
Potassium 350 mg *
Perfect Green Juice Blend
Barley Grass Juice, Alfalfa Grass Juice, Wheat Grass Juice, Oat Grass Juice 5000 mg *
Perfect Protein-Mineral Blend
Spirulina, Rice Bran Solubles, Chlorella, Calcified Red Algae, Kelp 3300 mg *
Poten-Zyme® Whole Food Matrix
Barley Grass, Oat Grass, Alfalfa Grass, Amaranth Sprout, Quinoa Sprout, Buckwheat Sprout, Garbanzo Bean Sprout, Lentil Sprout, Adzuki Bean Sprout, Flax Seed Sprout, Sunflower Seed Sprout, Pumpkin Seed Sprout, Chia Seed Sprout, Sesame Seed Sprout 1200 mg *
Acerola Cherry Extract (Fruit) 300 mg *
Perfect Veggie Juice Blend
Alfalfa (Sprout), Beet (Root), Carrot (Root), Broccoli (Flower & Stem), Tomato (Fruit), Cucumber (Gourd), Kale (Leaf), Spinach (Leaf), Parsley (Leaf), Green Cabbage (Leaf), Celery (Stalk), Cauliflower (Flower & Stem), Bell Pepper (Fruit), Asparagus (Flower & Stem), Brussels Sprout (Leaf), Onion (Bulb), Garlic (Bulb), Ginger (Root) 200 mg *
Probiotic Blend (1 Billion CFU)
Lactobacillus plantarum, Bifidobacterium longum, bifidobacterium lactis, bifidobacterium bifidum, Lactobacillus rhamnosus, Bifidobacterium breve, Lactobacillus paracasei, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus salvarius, Lactobacillus acidophilus 7 mg *
*Daily value not established.
Other Ingredients: Stevia, rice maltodextrin (carrier for probiotics), magnesium stearate (vegetable source).

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, that's not necessarily true (anything to help fertility). Some things are said to help and are actually harmful, and others we really just don't know.

I know some people have used stuff like this in their boy sways, some had success and some didn't.

I am not a huge fan of alfalfa or the seaweeds when TTC. May not be safe. And that is also A LOT of Vit. A, which has been linked conclusively to birth defects when taken at high doses. Allegedly beta carotene is not supposed to cause that, but I am not a fan of taking chances esp. since you're prob. also getting some via your prenatal.

[belleboi]

I fell into the blackhole of the internet last night and did some research of alfalfa and the estrogenic activity it has, so I just decided to make DH take the super green perfect food and I'll stick to regular wheatgrass:)

[atomic sagebrush]

would not give to DH either - phytoestrogens may sway pink for him!

Save and he can use it after your sway is over, or give away.

Look up the seaweeds and connection to ALS - not worth any level of risk!!!

[belleboi]

I gave it to my brother and SIL, they love that kind of stuff.

I'm on CD 40 now with no sign of O. I can't even begin to explain how frustrated I am:(

[atomic sagebrush]

Can you run into the doctor and see if s/he'll give you something to bring on AF?

[belleboi]

I called them on Friday and the nurse said to just wait it out bc of the BCP I was on for so long. What could they give me though? Something like Plan B?

[atomic sagebrush]

No, they will give you a dose of progesterone that you take for a few days and then stop. Having high prog. levels then low, tricks your body into thinking that you just had ovulated and finished your luteal phase, then the lining will come off (evne though this is not really a true AF). This can act as a "reset button" and get your cycle moving agian.

[belleboi]

So helpful atomic, thanks! Would it mess with my overall hormones though? Could it essentially affect a blue sway negatively? I'm considering just doing this instead of waiting on an AF that doesn't look like it's coming, lol.

[belleboi]

:holysheep: Well, I just got a smiley face on my CB! DH has already left for work today, so we will BD tonight, tomorrow morning, and tomorrow night. Hopefully this is it!

[True Blue]

Yay, best of luck, hope you catch a blue one :)

[belleboi]

Thank you! I'm just hoping I ovulate, lol!

[atomic sagebrush]

So helpful atomic, thanks! Would it mess with my overall hormones though? Could it essentially affect a blue sway negatively? I'm considering just doing this instead of waiting on an AF that doesn't look like it's coming, lol.

NO, progesterone, I do not believe sways one iota and the idea that it does has ZERO reliable evidence in support and TONS of evidence against it.