Help! Progesterone Suppositories needed?

[eme1ieh]

Hi moms,

Recently i had my third miscarriage (one daughter between my second and third miscarriage).
Can you assume that your progesterone levels are good if your LP is fourteen days long without any spottings? And can you then also assume that your progesterone levels are good during a pregnancy?

I'm so freaking scared of another miscarriage and just want to know if anything is wrong.. :( Here in Sweden it's hard to get helped if you already had one child...
Is progesterone suppositories unnecessarily if your LP is normal and you don't have any spottings? Or how does it works? Please explain it to me.

Is my daughter a proof that my progesterone levels are good or can the levels change?

What can i do?

Love
/Em

[Rosie85]

I dunno.....my lp seems to be fine but my progesterone was low and i was prescribed suppositories. We assumed my progesterone was fine because my lp was 12 days.

[eme1ieh]

I dunno.....my lp seems to be fine but my progesterone was low and i was prescribed suppositories. We assumed my progesterone was fine because my lp was 12 days.

Thanks for your reply.

But isn't 12 days too short? :( I have read that fourteen days is the normal.

[Rosie85]

I was told 12 to 14 is optimal. A pregnancy needs at least 10 days. I thought if you had at least 10 days it was fine...i could be wrong.

[atomic sagebrush]

What happened in previous pregnancies does not necessarily mean anything for future pregnancies.

I personally believe that a)progesterone is rarely low if your LP is 12-14 days long. And b) even if it is "low" in terms of one person's naturally occuring prog level may be different than anothers, it is NOT the issue when it comes to losses if the LP stays 12-14 days long (and even down to 10 is more than enough time). There have been very definitive studies done on this (unlike most of the studies we use, these are well done and pretty straightforward) that show progesterone has ZERO effect on pregnancy outcome. A healthy pregnancy sends a signal to the body to make enough progesterone and if prog. levels are not adequate to sustain the pregnancy, it is generally because the pregnancy is not healthy. All the prog supps do, in the vast majority of cases (if not all of them) is extend pregnancies where the baby has something incompatible with life wrong and just delaying a loss.

There are tons of doctors who like to prescribe it for people. But it is not "evidence based medicine" and instead it is more often "cover my doctor butt" medicine where they want to look like they are doing something but instead are ignoring the elephant in the room which is WHY are these losses occuring to begin with.

Em, if your daughter is 13 years old and she came between your 2nd and 3rd miscarriage, then this loss (which I am very sorry and I am not trying to make light of it t all) really needs to be viewed as an isolated incident that may have nothing to do with the previous losses. 13 years is an eternity when it comes to your body and it may very well be, as most losses are, a chromosomal abnormality this time that has nothing to do with your previous experiences.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for your reply.

But isn't 12 days too short? :( I have read that fourteen days is the normal.

12-14 is normal/optimal. 10-12 is enough. 8-10, I have seen tons of people get pg with LP this length but the problem is, that if you get pregnant that month there is no way to know what your LP would even have been, if that makes sense.

[eme1ieh]

Atomic, my daughter is born 2013! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

OH ok in your signature it looks as if she is 13.

[eme1ieh]

What happened in previous pregnancies does not necessarily mean anything for future pregnancies.

I personally believe that a)progesterone is rarely low if your LP is 12-14 days long. And b) even if it is "low" in terms of one person's naturally occuring prog level may be different than anothers, it is NOT the issue when it comes to losses if the LP stays 12-14 days long (and even down to 10 is more than enough time). There have been very definitive studies done on this (unlike most of the studies we use, these are well done and pretty straightforward) that show progesterone has ZERO effect on pregnancy outcome. A healthy pregnancy sends a signal to the body to make enough progesterone and if prog. levels are not adequate to sustain the pregnancy, it is generally because the pregnancy is not healthy. All the prog supps do, in the vast majority of cases (if not all of them) is extend pregnancies where the baby has something incompatible with life wrong and just delaying a loss.

There are tons of doctors who like to prescribe it for people. But it is not "evidence based medicine" and instead it is more often "cover my doctor butt" medicine where they want to look like they are doing something but instead are ignoring the elephant in the room which is WHY are these losses occuring to begin with.

Em, if your daughter is 13 years old and she came between your 2nd and 3rd miscarriage, then this loss (which I am very sorry and I am not trying to make light of it t all) really needs to be viewed as an isolated incident that may have nothing to do with the previous losses. 13 years is an eternity when it comes to your body and it may very well be, as most losses are, a chromosomal abnormality this time that has nothing to do with your previous experiences.

Thank you so much for your answer <3
My first and second miscarriage was 2012, my daughter was born in july 2013 and now i had my third miscarriage october 2014. :(

Why are people saying that progesterone suppositories (Corpus luteum hormones) is "feeding" the embryo with extra hormones which is good? I can't understand this. Is it possible that your body produce too little progesterone during the pregnancy even if your LP is normal and you not start to bleed? For example, in Sweden it's common with progesterone suppositories from week 4 to week 12 (ivf) Isn't this for a reason?

My second and third miscarriage was missed, isn't it the progesterone that keep you from not bleeding? If this has something to to with it.. (Good levels?)
Please correct me if i'm wrong!

[eme1ieh]

Can i do something by my self or should i just assume that my levels are fine? :( I'm scared to not trying something new next pregnancy.

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't know why people say what they say. I think they are wrong. THe human body knows how to get and stay pregnant pretty darn well on its own with no additional help. OTherwise there would not be 8 billion human beings on the planet right now.

The studies have been done on prog. supplements and show NO difference in outcome with and without progesterone supplements. All progesterone supplements do is sustain pregnancies that are destined to end because there was something wrong with the baby. Healthy pregnancies make all the progesterone they need to sustain themselves.

IVF pregnancies are given progesterone supplemnets because they are artificial and the body does not respond the same as it does when it conceives naturally. Believe it or not, though, studies in IVF pregnancies have ALSO found no benefit to using progesterone. They continue doing it, but it has not been shown to help EVEN in IVF pregnancies.

IN a missed miscarriage, that is exactly what happened. Your body was actually SO good at making progesterone that it kept right on doing it even when the baby wasn't developing at all. When a miscarriage occurs, that's how it happens, your body gets the signal to stop making progesterone and then the pregnancy comes to an end.

I see absolutely no reason why progesterone would be medically indicated for you. I do think you may benefit from additional testing on your thyroid and the most common causes of repeat miscarriages, if you can find someone to do those things. I understand the temptation to want to "try something new" but you have to be very careful that you do the right things that will actually help (otherwise you will just have another miscarriage if there is something that needs to be treated) and above all avoid doing things that may HURT (such as taking tons of herbs)

[eme1ieh]

I don't know why people say what they say. I think they are wrong. THe human body knows how to get and stay pregnant pretty darn well on its own with no additional help. OTherwise there would not be 8 billion human beings on the planet right now.

The studies have been done on prog. supplements and show NO difference in outcome with and without progesterone supplements. All progesterone supplements do is sustain pregnancies that are destined to end because there was something wrong with the baby. Healthy pregnancies make all the progesterone they need to sustain themselves.

IVF pregnancies are given progesterone supplemnets because they are artificial and the body does not respond the same as it does when it conceives naturally. Believe it or not, though, studies in IVF pregnancies have ALSO found no benefit to using progesterone. They continue doing it, but it has not been shown to help EVEN in IVF pregnancies.

IN a missed miscarriage, that is exactly what happened. Your body was actually SO good at making progesterone that it kept right on doing it even when the baby wasn't developing at all. When a miscarriage occurs, that's how it happens, your body gets the signal to stop making progesterone and then the pregnancy comes to an end.

I see absolutely no reason why progesterone would be medically indicated for you. I do think you may benefit from additional testing on your thyroid and the most common causes of repeat miscarriages, if you can find someone to do those things. I understand the temptation to want to "try something new" but you have to be very careful that you do the right things that will actually help (otherwise you will just have another miscarriage if there is something that needs to be treated) and above all avoid doing things that may HURT (such as taking tons of herbs)

Thanks! This information was so good to read. I'm not that stressed about progesterone anymore.
-Just one thing, corpus luteum hormones ans progesterone is exactly the same thing? Or is it two different hormones?

Actually i had my TSH tested in 2013 and now i'm eating medicine. My TSH-level was just a little too high, (2,9) and i needed to be a pain in the .... to get medicine at all in the first place. When my TSH was 0,5 we had our daughter!

[atomic sagebrush]

The corpus luteum secretes progesterone.