Need clarification - Gender swaying - Time of intercourse

[skuba]

Hi all, we have a beautiful 14mo girl and are now trying for a 2nd child. We would like to try to sway it towards a boy. My wife is doing fertility treatment and taking the HCG trigger shot today! Since we know that she should be ovulating around 36 hours after the shot, should we avoid having intercourse today and do it tomorrow night so it's closer to ovulation? Tomorrow night would be 24h after shot.

Important note: We might have messed up the boy swaying already because we have intercouse 2 days ago, which would mean about 3 days from ovulation, potentially swtaying towards girl.

What would you do now? Have sex tonight, tomorrow morning or tomorrow night?

One more question. rear-entry sex is supposed to help sway boy as well as when the woman orgasms. No so easy for my wife to orgasm through rear-entry, so what should I prioritize if can only pick one?

And is it for her to orgasm at the same time as me, or right before I do?


Thanks so much

PS: We will love a girl equaly, but would like a boy

[sweetdream]

Try both or add another. More attemps sway boy. One sways girl. Its not timing that sways.

And just have fun.

[covered in blue]

I think you are over thinking it. It's going to be some very clinical sex it you attempt all this big O stuff! Agree with sweetdream though. Aim for 3 or 4 attempts in the next 36 hours and have some fun :)

[skuba]

Hey, thanks for the answers.


Its not timing that sways.

From what I read, timing is the main factor in swaying. The closer to ovulation more Ys will survive and sways boys.

I am afraid if we do it tonight, by the time she ovulates it would be 36 hours after intercourse. I believe the Shettles' guideline is to not do it before 24h to ovulation.


Aim for 3 or 4 attempts in the next 36 hours and have some fun

Although this can be fun, many intercourses doesn't increase chances of conception. Our doctor actually told us that for conception we should do it tonight and tomorrow night. But this is unrelated to gender swaying, the doctor won't give any advice on this. Today and tomorrow is for trying to conceive.

[True Blue]

DW can orgasm first if easier it can be whatever suits, BD every 2 days is good boy frequency so your BD 2 days ago is great :) 3 attempts in the fertile window is recommended.
missionary position with her legs up on your shoulders might be a better position for your DW and a good position for blue.

Do just have fun try not to make it too clinical as another poster has said - just enjoy and good luck!!

[Boom]

There are not many believers in the shettles method here I'm afraid so most of what we say will contradict his theory. I've not swayed but based on what I've learnt from this forum, the more attempts you have, the more likely you are to get a boy. Orgasm is said to 'pull sperm up' and could possibly affect the acidity of cervical mucus I think, this is why it should be avoided when swaying for girl. If swaying for boy I guess orgasming before during and after could all help!

And aren't you a great hubby doing all this research :-)

[skuba]

BD every 2 days is good boy frequency so your BD 2 days ago is great 3 attempts in the fertile window is recommended.

Hey TrueBlue, thanks. Do you have a lot of experience with this?

In regards to the above statement, doesn't it really depend on the ovulation cycle? Every 2 days might might be a good guideline if one doesn't know actual ovulation timing. In our case, trigger is tonight, very likely ovulation is in 36 hours, possibly in 24 hours. The window is actually very small to conceive to do it 3 times. Shettles method says to not try more than 12 hours after ovulation. I believe it's all related to the internal environment as far as making it easier (more likely) for Ys to conceive.

Main decision today is if we do it tonight (possibly 36 hours before ovulation), tomorrow morning (possibly 24h before) or tomorrow night. And/Or as well. I guess we could do it tomorrow morning and evening.

Thanks

[skuba]

There are not many believers in the shettles method here

So what method are most of you guys into?


And aren't you a great hubby doing all this research :-)

Ha, yes I am usually the researcher! In this case, I guess I care more about having a boy than she does.

I am glad I can come here and talk about gender swaying, as compared to the "warm" reception I received at thebump.

[Adia]

To be very blunt, we don't believe in Shettles around here. Many of us, myself included, have a Shettles opposite.

Atomic Sagebrush, the swaying guru of Gender Dreaming, has written several essays that debunk things like timing, pH, etc.

The basics of the Gender Dreaming theory for a boy are BD every 2-4 days from AF to Ovulation and then 3+ attempts in the fertile window, preseed is recommended if extra lube is needed. This method, along with the HE diet and several key supplements are what has gotten a lot of members of Gender Dreaming they boy they were hoping for.

Here is a link to the complete index. I realized you are under a time crunch, but if it doesn't work out this month maybe this will help for your next attempt.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/3305-complete-index.html

[skuba]

Very interesting. Thanks for this. I posted my question here as it was the only gender swaying forum I found. But it's an interesting method. Seems like it's mostly around increasing fertility to sway blue. I wonder how this would work for some with natural fertility problems and that can only get fertile with treatment. I would assume my wife is very fertile right now with all the meds. She does have a folicle verified by ultrasound that is within size range to grow and release after the trigger shot tonight. Last time around she was eating actually a lot of these foods, and she doesn't drink much alcohol or caffeine, or sweeteners but we got a girl.

I guess I will try to have sex tomorrow morning, as well as tomorrow night and thursday night?

[Boom]

The supplements and other things (sweeteners, antihistamines etc) are to sway a person's 'natural' way to a more girl friendly way. I have had 4 sons, so it may be that my chance of conceiving a girl is much less than 50% based on my diet, lifestyle, frequency of intercourse, husband etc. If swaying increased my chances to 50/50 that's actually quite a feat and would be worth trying for me if I was prepared to 'risk' another boy. I'm not, so I'm going high-tech instead.

[Boom]

I guess I will try to have sex tomorrow morning, as well as tomorrow night and thursday night?

Oh the hardship :-)

[Mamato3?]

Hi scuba!
Last minute advice is to BD 3 times in fertile window because this frequency maximizes your sperm count (better sperm = better chance for boy).
I suggest you prioritize orgasm instead of position because orgasm changes the pH and makes it more blue friendly, also the contractions caused help sperm get faster to the egg.
USE PRESEED AND ROBITUSSIN.
Best of luck!!!
Keep us updated (Shettles methos has been long debanked here is a very useful essay by atomic http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-scientific-research/1562-what-real-differences-between-x-sperm-y-sperm.html)

[maidentomother]

Forget shettles, it is a crock. BD once every day for the next 4 days, in whatever position gets your wife off most. If she has plenty of her own cervical fluid, I would not use any lube, not even Preseed, as natural CM is superior in most cases to anything else.

I would also have your wife snack constantly throughout the day, combining fat, protein, and carbs with every snack, for the next 2 weeks. Look into the HE boy diet and eat that diet, but most important, regular snacks, with at most 4 hours between meals, preferably eating/drinking cals hourly. The reason for this is that XY embryos, which are more fragile than XX, do best in a high glucose environment, particularly in the early stages , I.e. the next 2 weeks. So your wife needs to maintain, high, steady blood sugar levels to help a boy embryo implant. Plus, eating in this manner may send a last minute signal to her body that conceiving a boy is preferable.

Best of luck!

[skuba]

Hi All, some very interesting information here. We ended up TTC last night after she took the trigger shot. And will do again tonight and tomorrow night.

Our fertility doctor recommends Canola Oil is lube (for conceiving purposes, not swaying) and is what we used last time when we had our daughter. My wife doesn't have much cervical mucous and doctor told us to not use saliva as it can kill sperm so we need a lube. Should we keep using canola oil? Althoug I read about preseed swaying blue, there are so many posts in different forums about people conceiving pink with preseed.

Here is what I don't get about the Shettle's criticism. The main criticism is that he was wrong about Y being light and faster and shotlived and X being slower and longer lived. If that's not correct, why would pH, positions, etc...has any impact on gender?

Thanks

[Cinss]

For blue you want as much sperm inside the woman as possible. If the ph is too acidic it will kill sperm. The position should be one that gets the most sperm up close to the cervix usually woman on her back with legs bent as far as comfortable. Then she will not lose as much by rolling over. In my opinion the HE diet is the most important factor and I believe that is how we got our boy. Second lifting weights for the woman to raise testosterone levels. Both of these sway techniques send signals to the womans body that a boy child has good chance at survival. Do not use canola oil! Preseed or nothing. Goodluck.

[skuba]

Do not use canola oil! Preseed or nothing. Goodluck.

We kinda need a lube as doctor said to not use saliva, and my wife is currently very dry, maybe related to treatment.



Second lifting weights for the woman to raise testosterone levels. Both of these sway techniques send signals to the womans body that a boy child has good chance at survival.

This is more related to keeping embryo alive, right? Or, the theory here believes that the potential of keeping XY embryo alive will sway the actual conception?


Thanks

[Cinss]

Your wife could try taking fish oil or robitussin to get more CM even try watching an adult movie before your attempt if you think she would consider it? And lots of forplay. it really does help but if the treatment is affecting her so much then go with preseed it is the correct ph. I read that at the time of conception boy sperm can be repelled by the egg if the conditions are not optimal for the survival of of boy. The HE diet should be continued after conception to ensue survival.

[Little Lunasa]

All the answers to your questions so far are in the links to Atomics essays that the girls have given you, have a thorough read of them and if you're still confused you could pm Atomic. She is the swaying expert. Good luck.


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[maidentomother]

If she needs lube, use a sperm friendly one - I personally recommend YesBaby, but Preseed is boy friendly too. Use plenty of it, too! Do NOT use canola oil, that sways pink and is very sperm-hostile.

Shettles/timing, pH, sexual position - NONE of these things sway. Truly, believing in these things, which have ZERO evidence to support them (Shettles never actually discerned between X and Y sperm, he just assumed, WRONGLY, that fast ones were Y and slow X, but there is no speed difference, both X and Y can be slow or fast)...believing in such 'traditional' swaying techniques is like believing the workd is flat, based purely on assumption and 'what most people think'.

We roll with what science can support here, nothing less.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome to the site. Sorry only just now seeing this.

We are having better results doing 3-5 attempts in the fertile window so I would have you guys DTD that night of trigger, the next morning, again the next night. Don't worry about the attempt from 2 days ago, we have found timing doesn't sway and modern technology has completely debunked it.

While neither female orgasm or doggy style is dealbreakers, they may help a little bit so what I"d advise is letting her do what she needs to do and then you finishing from behind. There is no benefit to "simultaneous release" and while on paper, the woman orgasming after the man is supposed to be better, no real research shows this to be true and I think it's best to just go for the practical and not the theoretical.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, thanks for the answers.



From what I read, timing is the main factor in swaying. The closer to ovulation more Ys will survive and sways boys.

I am afraid if we do it tonight, by the time she ovulates it would be 36 hours after intercourse. I believe the Shettles' guideline is to not do it before 24h to ovulation.



Although this can be fun, many intercourses doesn't increase chances of conception. Our doctor actually told us that for conception we should do it tonight and tomorrow night. But this is unrelated to gender swaying, the doctor won't give any advice on this. Today and tomorrow is for trying to conceive.

Timing doesn't work, it's an old outdated theory based on one man's mistake, has been fully debunked using modern technology and pretty much everyone on this site got 1-2-3 or more opposites using timing (both pink swayers and blue). Full explanation here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

We are getting 80% success for blue with 3-5 attempts in the fertile window. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey TrueBlue, thanks. Do you have a lot of experience with this?

In regards to the above statement, doesn't it really depend on the ovulation cycle? Every 2 days might might be a good guideline if one doesn't know actual ovulation timing. In our case, trigger is tonight, very likely ovulation is in 36 hours, possibly in 24 hours. The window is actually very small to conceive to do it 3 times. Shettles method says to not try more than 12 hours after ovulation. I believe it's all related to the internal environment as far as making it easier (more likely) for Ys to conceive.

Main decision today is if we do it tonight (possibly 36 hours before ovulation), tomorrow morning (possibly 24h before) or tomorrow night. And/Or as well. I guess we could do it tomorrow morning and evening.

Thanks

True is just saying, don't sweat that attempt 2 days ago, because timing doesn't sway and it means you are going to have a nice amount of sperm on hand to fertilize the egg (because your sperm recovers very nicely in that amount of time). For reasons we are not totally clear on, more and healthier sperm seems to = more boys conceived.

Shettles was WRONG about X and Y sperm, totally debunked and no modern researcher believes in it. I'll post a link specifically on the differences between X and Y sperm here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-scientific-research/1562-what-real-differences-between-x-sperm-y-sperm.html

[atomic sagebrush]

So what method are most of you guys into?



Ha, yes I am usually the researcher! In this case, I guess I care more about having a boy than she does.

I am glad I can come here and talk about gender swaying, as compared to the "warm" reception I received at thebump.

That's not unusual and just wanted to reiterate that men are just as welcome on this site as ladies are. :) Not only for swaying but we also understand that desire to have a child of a particular gender even tho it's not considered "politically correct" to talk about. Not because we don't love our kiddos regardless of gender but just because there is that little voice inside of us that wants what it wants. I think men have it so much worse than we ladies do on that. :/

[atomic sagebrush]

Very interesting. Thanks for this. I posted my question here as it was the only gender swaying forum I found. But it's an interesting method. Seems like it's mostly around increasing fertility to sway blue. I wonder how this would work for some with natural fertility problems and that can only get fertile with treatment. I would assume my wife is very fertile right now with all the meds. She does have a folicle verified by ultrasound that is within size range to grow and release after the trigger shot tonight. Last time around she was eating actually a lot of these foods, and she doesn't drink much alcohol or caffeine, or sweeteners but we got a girl.

I guess I will try to have sex tomorrow morning, as well as tomorrow night and thursday night?

:agree: with the timing of your attempts and sending you a ton of blue dust.

You absolutely CAN get a boy or a girl even with fertility challenges, but doing what you can do to up your own fertility as well will only help (hence the "releasing every 2-4 days" which will help you produce max. numbers of healthy sperm. I'd advise you to avoid anything that may be harmful to sperm (and not sure if your user name means anythign but SCUBA has been shown in studies to sway pink when done by DH) Smoking, excess alcohol and caffeine, getting your testicles too hot, jogging and biking, wearing tight underwear all may lower your sperm health and could inadvertently lower odds of pink.

Anything she can do in terms of eating right, getting sleep, prenatals, etc will only help. NO need to do anything too cray-cray - normal amounts of standard nutrients are best, no need for strange herbs or anything like that.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi All, some very interesting information here. We ended up TTC last night after she took the trigger shot. And will do again tonight and tomorrow night.

Our fertility doctor recommends Canola Oil is lube (for conceiving purposes, not swaying) and is what we used last time when we had our daughter. My wife doesn't have much cervical mucous and doctor told us to not use saliva as it can kill sperm so we need a lube. Should we keep using canola oil? Althoug I read about preseed swaying blue, there are so many posts in different forums about people conceiving pink with preseed.

Here is what I don't get about the Shettle's criticism. The main criticism is that he was wrong about Y being light and faster and shotlived and X being slower and longer lived. If that's not correct, why would pH, positions, etc...has any impact on gender?

Thanks

AGH OMG these are the things that make me break out in a cold sweat.

NO CANOLA OIL. Sperm is not designed to swim through oil and I would strongly, albeit humbly suggest looking into a different doctor if s/he is recommending canola oil for infertility patients. Do agree about not using saliva.

Preseed is the best lube for both infertile couples and anyone swaying blue. Nothing in swaying is a guarantee and keep in mind that if a)lower fertility overall sways pink and b) many infertility patients use Preseed, then it becomes easy to see that a couple with reduced fertility could use Preseed and yet still come out of it conceiving a girl, if that makes any sense. If something sways by 10%, but you come into TTC possibly as much as 70% likely to conceive a girl, you could sway blue by 10% with Preseed and still come out 60% likely to conceive a girl. Still a great sway tactic that will up your odds of blue considerably, just not a magic blue bullet. BTW the doctor who invented Preseed has 5 sons!!

RE Shettles, there is quite a thorough explanation in the "Trouble with Timing" essay I posted but briefly - Shettles just luckily happened to hit upon a few things that really did sway - regular release for blue, abstain and one attempt for pink, and so it can make it LOOK like it's working for people when really it is coincidence. And people are so certain of Shettles that they often misremember when they really ovulated (if they ever actually knew to begin with) so there are tons of people walking around out there convinced that they got a boy or a girl thanks to SHettles when factually they don't even have a clue when they ovulated in relation to BD. :) It gets reported as fact because people think it works and so they think it must be true.

Re what actually sways - The unfortunate truth about swaying is we have next to no info to go on. People don't study it because it's not politically correct, so honestly I can't totally say what really sways with any level of confidence. We believe based on the research and information we do have, that it's a combination of male/female fertility (including and perhaps most importantly male sperm health/count and female EWCM), female condition and nutrient intake, female blood sugar levels both before and for a brief time after conception (normal, steady blood sugar may help XY fertilized eggs survive and implant successfully), and the sheer number of sperm lying in wait in the repro tract when ovulation occurs.

pH is not really seeming to pan out as a sway tactic. It may help a tiny bit but certainly not the end all, be all. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

[atomic sagebrush]

We kinda need a lube as doctor said to not use saliva, and my wife is currently very dry, maybe related to treatment.




This is more related to keeping embryo alive, right? Or, the theory here believes that the potential of keeping XY embryo alive will sway the actual conception?


Thanks

I do not believe the body conceives babies only to deliberately miscarry them. Eggs are too precious, scarce and "biologically expensive" and miscarriages are too dangerous for post-conception, preferential losses to be a biologically viable method of gender swaying. I believe that some mechanism MUST come into play prior to conception, whereby a woman who doesn't have the nutrients coming in (because baby boys need more nutrition coming in from the moment of conception onward throughout life) would be more likely to conceive a girl from the get-go because a girl would have more chance of survival. So I believe this is something that occurs primarily PRE-conception, and only to some very much lesser extent post-conception.

[atomic sagebrush]

Your wife could try taking fish oil or robitussin to get more CM even try watching an adult movie before your attempt if you think she would consider it? And lots of forplay. it really does help but if the treatment is affecting her so much then go with preseed it is the correct ph. I read that at the time of conception boy sperm can be repelled by the egg if the conditions are not optimal for the survival of of boy. The HE diet should be continued after conception to ensue survival.

Yes forgot to mention Robi/Muci. any "decongestant" medication that ONLY contains guanefesin, no other ingredients, can really help with the dryness.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sending you a ton of superspecialawesome atomic blue dust, BTW. Best of luck to you!

[skuba]

Just to add, there is no way canola oil harms sperms. That's what was recommend by our doctor, prominent fertility doctor from UCSF.

With that said, yesterday we used pressed cause it sways blue. We used the applicator inside.

It's very possible that because she is in treatment, none of the diets would work. She is already taking all kinds of medications that will set her body to be in the best shape to conceive and keep the embryo. For example, she starts progesterone in a few days to help keep a possible embryo alive and developing.

Let's see what happens.

[The Anchor]

OH NO, what fertility doctor would recommend canola oil??? Not to offend, but what atomic said is true, a thick oil like canola will only hinder the sperms motility not help it. I believe that you are seeing a prominent doctor, but any kind of oils as lube went out the window decades ago.

I got my boy doing TriversWillard diet and preseed :) I wouldn't shrug off the diets, check out atomic's fertility diet for blue swayers.

[Mamato3?]

Canola oil is made of rapeseed plant which is highly toxic and has been mainly used as an industrial oil.
What is given for food is genetically modified in order for it to become edible and is partially hydrogenated oil.
There are several warnings not to consume this product and I personaly would never put it in my genitals (it's also used as pesticide).

[skuba]

That's surprising since she is the most sought after doctor in SF. We also conceived 2 times (1 full term) out of 6 cycles last time, which is actually higher odds than couples without fertility issues.

BTW she did not say we should use canola oil, but if we needed some extra lube to get things going to use it, better than spit. We only put a little bit on the outside to get things started :-)

Anyway, we will use preseed from now on.

[maidentomother]

Canola oil is made of rapeseed plant which is highly toxic and has been mainly used as an industrial oil.
What is given for food is genetically modified in order for it to become edible and is partially hydrogenated oil.
There are several warnings not to consume this product and I personaly would never put it in my genitals (it's also used as pesticide).

While I agree canola oil is unhealthy, organic canola oil is neither GMO nor hydrogenated, amd even conventional csnola oil isn't inherently GMO or hydrogenated, though both are possible. And it is true that most not-organic csnola oil in the US is GMO.

[atomic sagebrush]

That's surprising since she is the most sought after doctor in SF. We also conceived 2 times (1 full term) out of 6 cycles last time, which is actually higher odds than couples without fertility issues.

BTW she did not say we should use canola oil, but if we needed some extra lube to get things going to use it, better than spit. We only put a little bit on the outside to get things started :-)

Anyway, we will use preseed from now on.

Yes it's a little different saying you can use canola oil instead of saliva, and recommending it as a great lube for fertility. Some people can get pg with it of course (esp. small amounts) but then again some people can get pregnant on spermicide too. :) Sorry if I misunderstood and no offense meant to your doctor - I really hear some surprising things that are being told to people by doctors so I may have been overly proactive with that.

[atomic sagebrush]

While I agree canola oil is unhealthy, organic canola oil is neither GMO nor hydrogenated, amd even conventional csnola oil isn't inherently GMO or hydrogenated, though both are possible. And it is true that most not-organic csnola oil in the US is GMO.

My husband worked in a canola oil plant for several months and the rapeseed oil is toxic, but then it's treated to remove the bad stuff so it is supposed to be fully edible. Altho after smelling that place I am not a fan LOL (holy heck) the real issue with the canola oil is the same as any oil - sperm are meant to swim thru EWCM and not oil. If ya gots ta use it, small amounts only and Preseed and natural EWCM are the way to go both for fertility and for swaying blue. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Just to add, there is no way canola oil harms sperms. That's what was recommend by our doctor, prominent fertility doctor from UCSF.

With that said, yesterday we used pressed cause it sways blue. We used the applicator inside.

It's very possible that because she is in treatment, none of the diets would work. She is already taking all kinds of medications that will set her body to be in the best shape to conceive and keep the embryo. For example, she starts progesterone in a few days to help keep a possible embryo alive and developing.

Let's see what happens.

Studies have shown that canola oil does indeed slow down sperm at least temporarily. Even Preseed was found to be slightly worse (4% worse) than natural CM for this but nowhere near what canola oil was. Sperm did evenutally recover both with canola and Preseed, and with PReseed, the detrimental effects were far less to begin with than the canola. The reason why some docs are ok with canola is because it's better than things like KY, but that doesn't mean that it's GOOD, if that makes sense. Best results = natural EWCM both for fertility and boy. Second best = Preseed or one of the similar products like Conceive Plus or Yes Baby. (I'm not trying to quibble, just want you to be in with your absolute best chance of a little dude and also conception.)

FX and TX crossed for you guys. Just to let you know (and as always everything on this site, TOTALLY at your option and you're always welcome to tell me to stuff it LOL) the HE Diet will only HELP you guys both to conceive and to conceive a baby boy and to have a healthy pregnancy. We don't do the crazy unhealthy diet stuff they do on some sites. Here's a shorty version of HE http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-boy/16806-high-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html No, the fertility hormones are not enough to help ensure conception and healthy pregnancy. Diet will really help you a lot, but of course at your discretion.