TTC A GIRL (like, tomorrow!)

[Violette]

Hi everyone! I'm new here, as well as very new to the swaying concept. I am TTC#2, and we would really like a girl (we have a DS, just turned 6 =). We were planning to try this week- as I should O on Friday accoriding to my Fertility app. I have also taken 2 OPK (yesterday and today), both no LH surge. I purchased Calcium, Magnesium, Folic Acid, Vitamin C, and Cranberry supplements and started them yesterday. I also bought RepHresh, not sure if I was supposed to get Replen instead though. CM is at 6 this morning, how can I lower it quickly if we plan to DTD tonight or tomorrow? This is all so confusing lol! I've been mostly reading about Shettles and planning to DTD before O. I see a lot of women here are using O+12, so now I am even more confused about timing. I have been mostly eating salads, yogurt, and low sodium cheese- but only for a day or so since finding all of this amazing information!

Now that I am just recently seeing the diet and everything else that goes with it- should we wait until next month?

Without the diet, is it still worth trying for a girl or holding off? Not sure if it matters, but my husband has produced 2 boys so far- and our son was a '1 time only' pregnancy....

Thanks so much, and nice to meet everyone!

[txmomof3beautifulboys]

If this is your last shot at a girl, I would definitely not TTC until you have been on the diet a while. I would drop all the supplements but the folic acid, as well. One attempt at pos OPK is popular here, so I would do that rather than try to figure out when 0+12 is, as it is almost impossible to figure when exactly you ovulate...Just my two cents :) I know others will chime in as well. Welcome and Good Luck to you!! :)

[True Blue]

Honestly, you have not even started to give yourself time to sway. Taking supplements the day before or even the week before won't (IMO) be long enough to do anything.
To sway girl you should be on the diet 12 weeks before your attempt for the best chances. No supplements at all other than folic acid. There is nothing to be gained from checking your PH as that has been debunked and I don't think O+12 is recommended (as far as I know) what is showing best results is one attempt at positive OPK - much easier than trying to plan a O+12 which is most likely too late for conception.

You will get tons of the best advice here to do a great sway. If you are not in a hurry to conceive I would consider putting off attempt tomorrow.

Whatever you decide the best of luck and lots of pink dust :)

[atomic sagebrush]

HI and welcome.

WE don't always do things the same way as the "other sites" (because we base our info on the most recent science and not 50 year old debunked stuff) and most of the stuff you're doing is really not the way we do things. I personally would have you hold off and do a little more reading about the newest swaying info and not go off the outdated stuff, but as always your call to make.

The nutrients you're taking, there is mixed data about how they sway.

I like RepHResh better than Replens, although neither has gotten great results (all jellies appear to be neutral in terms of results)

I personally don't think timing sways and nor does the science support it, but if you MUST use one or the other, I think Shettles is better than O+12, not in terms of swaying (because timing doesn't work) but in terms of odds of conception.

Above all else, stick with one attempt. Do not add attempts, only have one in your fertile window. We are getting 70% results with one attempt, regardless of day of attempt.

[Violette]

Wow thanks so much everyone! I have definitely been jumping through forums on different sites, and my head is spinning. I think we may hold off this week, but 12 weeks is a long time lol!!

So I'm guessing that this would be the best place for me to start?
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/3305-complete-index.html

[True Blue]

Definitely the best place to start :)

Don't get overwhelmed you don't need to do everything you just need to pick what you would like to do and are going to be happy with :)

[Violette]

I'm thinking of hopping right in with the Gold Standard plan for a girl. Is this what everyone else here is mostly using?

[True Blue]

I have a plan and honestly it's the best decision I made - all the hard work is done and atomic is an absolute GEM for helping you all the way through no matter how many mad/crazy questions or worries you might come up with :oops:

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm thinking of hopping right in with the Gold Standard plan for a girl. Is this what everyone else here is mostly using?

Get a Custom Plan though, because then you get the 6 months of coaching and I tailor your plan specifically to you! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Wow thanks so much everyone! I have definitely been jumping through forums on different sites, and my head is spinning. I think we may hold off this week, but 12 weeks is a long time lol!!

So I'm guessing that this would be the best place for me to start?
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/3305-complete-index.html

:agree: Yes! :) then after that (or along the way) you can ask any q's in the forums and I'll pop in to answer.

[Adia]

Yes, most of us enjoy having the personal attention to our specific situation that Atomic provides which is why we buy personalized plans.
Good luck!

[Violette]

Yeah, I think I may go that route.... I have been absolutely obsessing over this (and not getting much else done, lol!), yet I still feel I will never get it right. I think a custom plan may help me get on track and not feel so all over the place. :DD:

[atomic sagebrush]

pS - you don't have to do diet for 12 weeks, what many people do is start off with a very strict sway and then just plan on getting BFN for the first month or two (most people want to at least start off trying everything) and then by the time you're ready to stop dropping the least effective tactics, you'll have been on diet longer anyway.

[Violette]

Ahh ok...

Where do I find the personalized plans to purchase?

[True Blue]

Top of the page there is a tab

Membership and Plans :)

[Violette]

Thank you- I was looking under the main 'store' tab :)

[Violette]

P.S. I have one more burning question- can I still have my mocha frapp from Starbucks every morning? LOL! :fx:

[The Anchor]

Coffee's okay for a girl sway. Enjoy!

[Honeybug]

Welcome!

[essnce629]

In a nutshell, here's what most of us girl swayers are doing:

LE diet-- low fat (26-60g), low protein (40-50g), low calorie (1500-1800)
No breakfast-- so at least 12 hours between last meal and first meal
No snacking between meals
Coffee instead of teas
Alcohol daily or several times a week
Cardio daily for 60 minutes OR nothing at all
1 attempt at +okp OR dtd every 4 days (both give one attempt in fertile window)
Folic acid or folate only for DW
Licorice root for DH (if under 35 years old)
Olive leaf extract for DH

Good luck! And I'd definitely wait till you have the LE diet under your belt for a few weeks.

[Violette]

Thanks for this!!

Why cardio? Just curious, as I'm thinking of trying to find a new cardio program to start. Any recommendations? I did P90X in the past, and there is a cardio workout for about 60mins, just looking for something else to mix it up!

Do any of you use an app to track your calories, etc daily? This is probably going to be a nightmare for me.

If we were to give it a go this month, would we just DTD the same day I would get a positive from the OPK then? Still considering it... :think:

[essnce629]

Why cardio? Just curious, as I'm thinking of trying to find a new cardio program to start. Any recommendations? I did P90X in the past, and there is a cardio workout for about 60mins, just looking for something else to mix it up!

Do any of you use an app to track your calories, etc daily? This is probably going to be a nightmare for me.

If we were to give it a go this month, would we just DTD the same day I would get a positive from the OPK then? Still considering it... :think:

Cardio, or nothing at all, because you want to lose muscle mass, not gain it. I wouldn't do P90X and I think Atomic recommends against it for the same reason. Lots of women, myself included in the first few months of my sway, did the Walk Away the Pounds dvds. The 4 Mile Challenge one is an hour.

A lot of us used MyFitnessPal when first tracking our diet to stay within limits, but then don't need it after a while because you get used to what and how much you can eat. I think I used it for the first 2 or 3 months.

If you attempt this cycle, then yes, just dtd once at +opk.

Most of us are not using Rephresh or Replens, jump and dump, or antihistimines any more as they didn't seem to be getting good results and just prevented pregnancy all together. Nutrients in general seem to sway boy, so that's why no one is taking cranberry, calcium, and magnesium either.

Several of us do continue to use artificial sweeteners (aspartame) and drink diet soda instead of regular sugar or full calorie drinks.

[Violette]

Thanks, this is all super helpful!! I can't wait to get my customized plan :)

[atomic sagebrush]

P.S. I have one more burning question- can I still have my mocha frapp from Starbucks every morning? LOL! :fx:


You might want to go skinny and sugarfree, and/or even switch to just straight up coffee because that much milk does have quite a lot of calories in it and really will serve as breakfast.

[atomic sagebrush]

cardio is because firstly you want to lose muscle and not gain it (and if you do cardio while eating a lower protein, lower cal diet and losing a smidge of weight, you will lose muscle) and also because there is something about cardio that after about 45 min, causes your body to stop burning carbohydrates and start burning stores of fat as fuel and this is seeming to sway pink for reasons we do not yet know (this is also the reasoning behind not snacking and skipping breakfast)

[Violette]

I was actually thinking that this morning, so I ordered the light no whip version. Is this too much?

Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Sugar
180 40 0 3 200 39

[atomic sagebrush]

if you do want to try this month, just do one attempt day before ovulation or day of pos OPK (usually this is the same day)

[Violette]

Ok!! I'm still up in the air about it lol... The timing would be perfect, since baby would be due in September. Our son is a Halloween baby, and our anniversary is also in Oct- Sept would be better for us lol.

Atomic, I saw an amazon link with products you recommended for girl sway, but I can't find it now! Can you please let me know where to find it, and also if there are any new recommendations or changes to that list? Thanks!!

[Violette]

I'm thinking more and more to give it a shot this month. Is there anything else I should do before +opk (prob Monday) and before I get my plan? I don't eat much salt or red meat, so I'll pass on those...

[maidentomother]

Others have summed things up nicely, but I want to personally suggest you do the diet for at least 2 months, if not the ideal 3 months. That will put you in Nov and greatly improve your chances of getting a girl. Diet is the biggest sway factor.

[bluebonnet22]

I was actually thinking that this morning, so I ordered the light no whip version. Is this too much?

Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Sugar
180 40 0 3 200 39

I haven't been following this entire thread, but I wanted to mention I often had these for "breakfast" , but I had it around 10 or 11 AM after a 12-16 hour fast. I often had a starbucks light/no whip drink as a 3rd "meal" in lieu of food. I think the main thing is to avoid having anything with this many calories as a true breakfast upon waking up.

[Violette]

I have cut back to just drinking half (90 calories) after 10-12 hours of no food, and lunch around 1pm. I may switch to an earlier lunch and have the whole thing ;)

[essnce629]

I was actually thinking that this morning, so I ordered the light no whip version. Is this too much?

Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Sugar
180 40 0 3 200 39

Personally, I would not drink it in the morning and would have it with lunch. I have a daily cappuccino with a double shot of espresso as part of my sway, but I only drink it at lunch with my meal because of the milk (which has lactose and will raise your blood sugar).

[Violette]

OK, I will prob try to hold off until lunch... What do you drink in the mornings? I'm not sure what to substitute for my iced coffees!

[essnce629]

OK, I will prob try to hold off until lunch... What do you drink in the mornings? I'm not sure what to substitute for my iced coffees!

Nothing at all but water and/or a piece of sugar-free gum till noon!

You can do a mostly black coffee with just a splash of milk. I hate black coffee so would rather just wait till noon.

[Violette]

I hate black coffee too... Ahh! What about a crystal light/water?

[essnce629]

I hate black coffee too... Ahh! What about a crystal light/water?

Crystal lite, water, and diet soda would all be fine since they have no real sugar and therefore don't raise blood sugar.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok!! I'm still up in the air about it lol... The timing would be perfect, since baby would be due in September. Our son is a Halloween baby, and our anniversary is also in Oct- Sept would be better for us lol.

Atomic, I saw an amazon link with products you recommended for girl sway, but I can't find it now! Can you please let me know where to find it, and also if there are any new recommendations or changes to that list? Thanks!!

Don't buy anything till I get your plan to you, I hope to have it sent in today.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm thinking more and more to give it a shot this month. Is there anything else I should do before +opk (prob Monday) and before I get my plan? I don't eat much salt or red meat, so I'll pass on those...

As long as you stick to that one attempt, it's still a good deal. You might want to try the hurry up FR - have DH release once, dump it, then DTD again as soon as he's able, within 1 hour if possible, within 3 if not, and no later than 6 hours after, using only second batch for insemination.

[atomic sagebrush]

I personally think that a SMALL amount of milk and even sugar in coffee is probably ok in the mornings. It's not ideal, not the strictest of the strict, but I did it (even had sugar, that was one of my cheats).

I WOULD try to stretch out the overnight fast beyond 10 hours. That's not long enough, IMO. I would do at least 12, up to 16.

[Violette]

Had a +Opk and DTD last night. Didn't jump and dump. Still doing LE and tracking with My Fitness Pal. Now I'm thinking pink lol!! Very excited to get our plan :) No frapp this morning. Trying to hold out til 11 or 12!