Seeking Advice: Short Notice Sway

[Mamajc]

I've also posted this question to Atomic in my private forum, but thought I'd see what everyone else's thoughts were, too!

We were going to hold off trying for a baby for another few months and do a full, proper sway to try for a girl. BUT, due to some job changes, and general timing issues, we're now thinking the timing might be better if we get pregnant sooner (yikes!), and hopefully have a fall baby.

I ovulate next week. We're going to do the 7-10 day abstain, and than do one single attempt at positive OPK.

I guess my questions is this: We have a week. What other sway factors do you suggest given the short time frame? Is it worth it to start the supplements just a week ahead (I'm totally willing to try), as well as LE diet and hardcore exercise? I realize it's a really tight timeframe, but the job changes came up so quickly and we really feel it's best to get pregnant sooner rather than later! :)

Any advice would be really appreciated!

[maidentomother]

I do think it's worth it to start hardcore swaying (diet + exercise) immediately, as you may not conceive this cycle anyway and that way you have a jump sgart. Pkus while it doesn't sway as hard as long term swaying, it still sways to some extent. Better than nothing! Good luck :)

[bluebonnet22]

As maiden said, it doesn't hurt to start diet and exercise immediately. There was a successful sway recently with only 5 weeks of diet/exercise although of course more is always better. Depending on how important conception is this month I would consider adding a hot bath or shower for DH and J&D. I'd really be extremely strict on the diet for a week and try to drop 3 or more pounds. Good luck!

[Mamajc]

Good point about starting hardcore swaying now and continuing, as we might not conceive right away. I guess I'm just in that mindset due to my last pregnancy, where all it took was one try!

It's not absolutely necessary that we conceive right away, but hopefully in the next two to three months.

[atomic sagebrush]

AAA I didn't see this in your private forum, I don't think? Sorry I will go track it down right away.

I would not have you do Vitex, SP, or pep tea with a week to go. DO give your husband his supps for a week, they may help a littel.

I would not start exercise but would start diet.

Above all else, KEEP that one attempt!!!

[katewantsagirl]

What's did (decided to sway maybe two weeks earlier).lots of diet coke, I took a antihistamine on the Friday (o) and then we had sexat about 11am saturday (i guessed about o+22hours and he "finished" really shallow then I went to the toilet immediately to try get rid of most of it. Nina is now almost one!! Good luck!!

[Mamajc]

Thanks! Nice to know it worked on short notice for some! :)

Atomic, thanks for the advice! Have started the diet, going to get my man his supplements tonight. We are definitely on board with doing ONE attempt.

I'm pretty sure this is over in my private forum too, but there's a chance I did it wrong, since I'm still new and learning to navigate the site.

[I've got the blues]

I agree the diet is a must, and yours is more of a crash diet. I see a lot of people do I really light diet and then are sick one week and eat next to nothing and that's always when they get their girls. I would probably do more of an 0+12 if your not stuck on a cut off, that will give you a few more days on the diet and time for hubby to lower sperm count either abstain or frequent release. Good luck!

[atomic sagebrush]

NO ONE has ever gotten pregnant from an attempt at O+22 . I'm not trying to quibble with anyone's firmly held belief, it is just biologically impossible and I do not want anyone to ever attempt this method of gender swaying. IF you get it right (and actually BD 22 hours after you ovulate) your odds of conception are ZERO.

Timing doesn't sway, O+12 doesn't work, and O+22 is an impossibility. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/35539-no-12-a.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks! Nice to know it worked on short notice for some! :)

Atomic, thanks for the advice! Have started the diet, going to get my man his supplements tonight. We are definitely on board with doing ONE attempt.

I'm pretty sure this is over in my private forum too, but there's a chance I did it wrong, since I'm still new and learning to navigate the site.

I"m sure it's my fault, my daughter has been horribly sick for over a week and I'm running on fumes LOL

[I've got the blues]

No+12 I like it! However I thought it was a good sway? I know timing is not a reliable sway ( I have 2 boys from 2-3 day cutoff) but I really wanted to do as much opposite things as I can from what I did with my boys. (Wish I had found this site before reading everything from the IG site!) If not 0+12 what should the girls like myself who were thinking of going this way do instead?

[maidentomother]

Just BD once when you get a positive OPK, that should end up being the day before O most times. But any less than 24 hours before O has low odds of conception. You didn't get your boys bc of a cut off, but despite it, due to diet/lifestyle factors.

[Mamajc]

Definitely planning to BD on the day of a positive OPK! That may be all we have going for us at this point, although I'm trying to stick to the diet! Of course, that is just for this month, if we don't get our BFP I'll introduce the other sway components and carry on from there.

[atomic sagebrush]

No+12 I like it! However I thought it was a good sway? I know timing is not a reliable sway ( I have 2 boys from 2-3 day cutoff) but I really wanted to do as much opposite things as I can from what I did with my boys. (Wish I had found this site before reading everything from the IG site!) If not 0+12 what should the girls like myself who were thinking of going this way do instead?

No, it's not a good sway and you cannot base anything off the reported results because unless a person had an ultrasound that pinpointed the time of their ovulation, their results are USELESS. They don't know when they ovulated and this is 100% proven to be impossible by the best scientific data available.

There is absolutely completely and totally NO WAY for anyone to pinpoint ovulation to the hour and thus all reported statistics on O+12 are useless because the people have no clue when they actually ovualted.

The ONLY reason why O+12 APPEARS in stats to look effective is because it's always done with one attempt. We are getting 70% success rates (and at times this has gone higher, up to 75%) with one attempt, regardless of when the attempt was done.

Thus, you gotta keep one attempt, but put that one attempt on a day where you actually have a good chance of conception. O-2 and O-1 have best odds of conception. :)

[Mamajc]

Wow, those stats are unbelievable! Are you talking 70-75% success rate of conceiving a girl? With one attempt alone, or other sway factors included?

Or is it just that you mean 70-75% success rate of conceiving period, not accounting for gender?

[Mamajc]

Ooh, I had a question I wanted to add as well. I read the article on antihistamines, and they are included in my personalized plan. Would it be useful for me to take an antihistamine a couple of hours before we BD? And what about Sudafed for DH? Thanks, Atomic! :) We're only a couple of days away from this month's attempt!! Can't believe it!

[atomic sagebrush]

Wow, those stats are unbelievable! Are you talking 70-75% success rate of conceiving a girl? With one attempt alone, or other sway factors included?

Or is it just that you mean 70-75% success rate of conceiving period, not accounting for gender?

We have had between 70-75% success rate FOR PINK with one attempt regardless of timing. Yes, these people were doing other sway tactics, but the numbers drop off by about 10% with 2 attempts and a whopping 30% with three attempts. This ratio has stayed consistent for the three years of the site and it's the same with any other sway tactic that relies on one attempt (such as O+12)

It is absolutely totally and completely possible to get pg with one attempt provided that you don't go overboard with a bunch of other sway tactics that get poorer results. Makes sense to stick with what is working (one attempt) and lose the stuff that's not. (frequency, jellies, antihistamine)

[atomic sagebrush]

Ooh, I had a question I wanted to add as well. I read the article on antihistamines, and they are included in my personalized plan. Would it be useful for me to take an antihistamine a couple of hours before we BD? And what about Sudafed for DH? Thanks, Atomic! :) We're only a couple of days away from this month's attempt!! Can't believe it!

If you want to feel like you've included everything, you can do the antihistamines. They DO cut odds of conception, though, and the results are much lower than the results from one attempt, so you may be trading a good chance of conception with one attempt, for something that isn't bringing home the swaying bacon!

[Mamajc]

If you want to feel like you've included everything, you can do the antihistamines. They DO cut odds of conception, though, and the results are much lower than the results from one attempt, so you may be trading a good chance of conception with one attempt, for something that isn't bringing home the swaying bacon!

Hmm, okay! I think I'll keep things simple and skip it, then. It's interesting, throughout this process you really learn about what you want...I think I'm learning that although I want a girl, what I really want is another baby. If I can sway it a bit in my favour, then great, but I don't think I'm really in a place where I want to inhibit my chances of getting pregnant to do so.

This week has been LE diet (to the best of my ability), lots of aspartame, and one attempt as soon as I get my positive OPK in a day or two. Exciting!

[CurlyPie]

Atomic -

For the one attempt - how do you know what days are the fertile window for that attempt??

[maidentomother]

That's the 42 (?) million dollar question! Most BD as soon as they get a positive OPK. 1-2 days before O is ideal timing, and on average, O occurs 24 hours after the first positive. But there is a fair bit of individual variation, so without charting you could very well end up with O-3 or O day timing. A bit early is better than O day or later, though.

[CurlyPie]

I love this site, you guys are awesome!

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic -

For the one attempt - how do you know what days are the fertile window for that attempt??

You don't, necessarily. If you have a very regular cycle that swaying doesn't change, then you can just assume your O day will be the same as prev. months and base it off that.

That is why I tend to have people DTD at pos OPK - it's not because there's any magic to it, it's because you know you're probably in the fertile window then becuase you're surging!

[katewantsagirl]

Yeah that's true I suppose, I used to get a sharp pain and then one spot of blood (the next day) so I assumed that was me ovulating but I'm obviously no scientist ����. Good luck OP!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Even if it's ovulation for one person (and you may very well be totally correct and can pinpoint your O with utter certainty) the other 99 out of 100 can't rely on it. :)

[katewantsagirl]

I just read up on the timing doesn't matter stuff!! Very interesting and I think I'll just have one attempt before o time. I'm breastfeeding and I've had 3 cycles, does this mean I'm ovulating again or can i just get AF without??

[maidentomother]

How long exactly have each of those 3 cycles been? If they've been pretty regular, most likely you are Oing, assuming AF has been a proper AF for you, not much lighter/shorter than before. Even if your cycles aren't that regular yet, with a normal strength AF you probably are Oing, as it's common for BFing to make cycles weird. Are you temping or charting at all, even with CM/CP/OPKs?

[katewantsagirl]

I just got some ovulation sticks (haha don't know the name) so will try them the first week of jan. Yes regular 28 day cycles with pretty heavy periods. Will be interesting to try the ovulation sticks!!

[maidentomother]

I think you're Oing then! Good luck :)

[atomic sagebrush]

GEtting AF with a normal cycle means that you are almost certainly ovulating. The only thing to be aware of is that sometimes when BF, you can be oing and getting AF, but having a little bit longer follicular phase and then a super short luteal phase (3-7 days) which is not enough time to achieve pregnancy. This clears up on its own over time and you don't need to do anything about it, just wanted to let you know I have seen that happen with some regularity.

[Mamajc]

Just an update, we are officially "trying"!! Last night was our one attempt for this month, and we will see what the future holds. This month was definitely light on the sway factors; just couldn't get it together (supplements, etc.) after we bumped up our TTC timeframe due to some job changes. That's okay though! We did an 8 day abstain and one attempt. If nothing comes of it, we'll gear up again...we're off on vacation next week, so I'll pick up speed again after that, if necessary, and get what we need to do a real-deal sway. Thanks for all the wonderful advice :)

[katewantsagirl]

Good luck!! Fingers crossed for you xx