Is it worth trying to sway if I can't even STAY pregnant?

[SweetLily]

After a year break, I'm back. There's been a few more early mcs this year...which begs the above question. At this point I know I have vitamin and mineral deficiencies that can cause mcs so I'm just going to hammer those pills down in hopes for ANY sticky bean. You can't get a girl if you don't have anything right?

So zinc, b12, b6, vit e, vit c, and the whole gamut. Considering I'm so unhealthy I can't even stay pregnant, I must still have better than 50% odds of a girl right? After 3 boys and only 1 girl it's a scary prospect. 5 kids--this is the last chance baby. I'm also 38 now.

Any thoughts dear ladies? I have my custom sway from a year ago ready to go on it but I feel without the supps it will never happen at all!

What would you do?

TIA!!!!

[nuthinbutpink]

Lots of people with vitamin deficiencies carry babies. If you have had several miscarriages, I would see a doctor before you attempt again.

[SweetLily]

Been there, done that. They have no explanation..I have 4 kids. My hormones are a mess but they leveled those out and Im still having mcs. They say everything looks perfect. Idiots.

I found the link, thanks hun.

[nuthinbutpink]

The other thing we see in HT that it could possibly be is some sort of immunity issue. It's still a relatively new field but there are things we are finding affect implantation or lead to early losses in previously fertile women.

If you are done with the testing portion of the program, I would try to just be healthy and everything in moderation. Swaying will have to take a back seat. I am sure there are things you can do and you have a personalized plan to go buy too.

[maidentomother]

Personally, I don't think vitamin etc deficiencies are preventing your pregnancies from sticking - I think it is most likely your age or possibly another factor, such as an immune issue as NBP suggested. At 38, most of your eggs are going to be bad, so it's a numbers gsme - just keep trying until you catch that golden egg. I would NOT start taking any nutrient supplements unless you have bloodwork done revealing actual deficits. Most likely you are fine, and taking all those supplements, most of which we KNOW sway blue, is very unlikely to increase your chances of a THB. Instead you'll just increase your odds of conceiving a boy whenever you catch the a good egg.

How about trying clomid or femara? Clomid especially may help produce more eggs, giving you a better chance of one being good. Plus they both sway pink! I know you've has meficated cycles before but can't remember the details beyond a trigger shot...

I'm SO sorry you've had so many miscarriages this year, I didn't realise that at all. I can only imagine how hard that's been on you and completely understand your desperation to try anything. Is HT an option at all?

[mylittlegirl]

I had 4 msc's in a row i understand how you feel. All my testing was normal too. My ob suggested baby aspirin if i got pregnant again which i did, and my boy just turned one :) I am not suggesting you should take it, just something you could possibly discuss with your Dr. Good luck!!

[blueeyedguys]

My testing is "normal, but I've had hypothyroidism for nearly 3 decades and, based on an expert in the field's cut offs (rather than the currently used lab values) also B12 deficiency.

Hypo is known for causing miscarriages, & I had many. Have you had your Free T3, Free T4 & thyroid antibodies checked? What were the lab cut off values & your actual numbers? TSH is a joke for hypothyroidism and the cut-offs some places make it even more ridiculous.

[atomic sagebrush]

My advice is to take a balanced prenatal instead of those vitamins on their own. Most of the time, the separate pills contain megadoses which may end up being worse than nothing. I would take it daily and TTC when you're ready.

I cannot and will not speak to your individual odds of having a baby of a certain gender. There is no way for me or anyone to know that. We don't know how it works and there are some health issues that seem to be capable of causing ill health and miscarriage yet still end up leading to more boys conceived. (mostly autoimmune, but also PCO and some thyroid stuff).

So, my main advice is to not go overboard and start taking gobs of stuff because I see so many people do this and it's like throwing gasoline onto a fire. I would have you also go gluten free as I have seen several people have success after several miscarriages by ditching gluten.

Can you give me a brief recap of everything you've been tested for??? Clotting issues?

[Adia]

After a year break, I'm back. There's been a few more early mcs this year...which begs the above question. At this point I know I have vitamin and mineral deficiencies that can cause mcs so I'm just going to hammer those pills down in hopes for ANY sticky bean. You can't get a girl if you don't have anything right?

So zinc, b12, b6, vit e, vit c, and the whole gamut. Considering I'm so unhealthy I can't even stay pregnant, I must still have better than 50% odds of a girl right? After 3 boys and only 1 girl it's a scary prospect. 5 kids--this is the last chance baby. I'm also 38 now.

Any thoughts dear ladies? I have my custom sway from a year ago ready to go on it but I feel without the supps it will never happen at all!

What would you do?

TIA!!!!

Have you had your thyroid checked by a doctor who CARES? I had several doctors say "oh, its fine". I tried Synthroid only to have another miscarriage with that and then not be able to conceive for another year.

Then I went to a doctor that specialized in treating the causes of problems and started a natural thyroid supplement, I got prego 3 weeks after starting the supplements.

Their are alternative medicine doctors out there who are trained and licensed MD's that will look at things differently. I have had 3 kids over the past 15 years and 2 miscarriages in my 24months of TTC. Until I found a doctor who took a different approach I couldn't hang on to a baby either.

Best of luck, I know how heartbreaking this is ESPECIALLY after having several healthy pregnancies.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and in terms of swaying, above all else, stick with one attempt in fertile window. We have gotten good results with that and it is safe and cannot up odds of miscarriage!!

[SweetLily]

Thanks for all the replies.

I have been tested for everything under the sun. No genetic stuff or anything.

I do have known magnesium, folic acid, b12, b 6 and general b deficiencies.

My thyroid is suspect, but the dr keeps saying it looks fine (but I can't lose weight no matter how hard I try) also, in my country they only test T4, not T3 so it gives a very foggy picture.

Not sure how we will handle it, I think there is no point trying to sway. If I can get pregnant at all it will be a miracle, and I have NO chance of a girl if I can't have a baby so not much point trying to sway at all.

Thanks ladies :)

[maidentomother]

Definitely agree you should get a thorough thyroid panel done, including testing for Hashimoto's antibodies. Do you know the latest TSH & T4 numbers?

I would personally take reasonable (no more than 100% RDA for sure) of all the B vitamins, high dose folate, not foluc acid(1000mg twicd daily), and I don't think magnesium sways so any safe amount of that is fine, IMO. I wouldn't take a multivitamin or prenatal, myself.

[atomic sagebrush]

All that being the case, just stick with one attempt. If you can only do one thing for swaying DO THAT. It's perfectly safe and may really help.

[The Anchor]

:wave: Hi SweetLily!!!

I'm so sorry to hear about your m/c's, that must have been so hard on you.

Can you get in with an RE? I know that fertility clinics run those the thyroid tests right off the bat usually, plus a gamut of other tests, so that they can start eliminating possibilities.

Is it girl or nothing this time around?

[SweetLily]

we really want a girl, and will try no matter what. but something keeps going wrong--its not age related, the mcs started when i just turned 33. I've always been super fertile, but i get a bfp and 3 days later they are bfn. im on progesterone and estrogen so its not that. we have not been ttc but i admit i am not as sticky on the bc because they all die anyway. i just dont understand. its a shame when youve had so many you dont even grieve anymore.

thanks for all the thoughts. we cant get a girl if we cant stay pregnant so i have decided not to sway when dh gives the go-ahead. no point.

hugs

[SweetLily]

So I went to the dr for a full round of bloodwork, but I have decided to make an appointment at the fertility clinic in my old city. I'm still a patient there and its the largest/closest fertility clinic...maybe they can redo a bunch of tests and get to the bottom of this.

The dr here is checking my b 12 to see if the deficiency requires shots or if its ok to stay on supplements, as well a host of other things. Anyway...just wanted to update :)

[essnce629]

I agree with the others to check for thyroid (ask for a "full thyroid panel" including antibodies) and blood clotting issues.

Also, after my own loss 2 months ago and my research since, I'd ask them to test your ferritin levels and to do a MTHFR test. Both are simple blood tests.

I ended up having EXTREMELY low ferritin (iron stores) and tested positive for homozygous MTHFR c677t. Low ferritin can lead to infertility and low egg quality and thus increased risk of miscarriage. And having the MTHFR mutation can lead to increased blood clots and increased miscarriage risk (as well as repeat losses). With the mutation, I will probably need blood thinners (aspirin or lovenox) for any subsequent pregnancy (even though I've had 2 perfectly normal easy pregnancies in the past). For the low ferritin my doctor (endocrinologist) has me taking a high dose (300mg daily) of prescription iron. Low ferritin symptoms are pretty much identical to low thyroid symptoms. I thought I had a thyroid problem, which my mom does, but my full thyroid panel and thyroid ultrasound came out perfectly normal. My tests for B vitamins were wonky (my blood values were abnormally high), which got me on the track for asking for MTHFR testing. Taking folate and methly B12 are recommended for those with MTHFR mutations, as is a gluten free diet (you want to avoid foods with added folic acid) and baby aspirin/lovenox during pregnancy.

Google "MTHFR and miscarriage" for more info.

[SweetLily]

Mthfr-- I've already been tested for this 3 years ago (this has been a long problem) and I don't have it. Can it suddenly develop?

[essnce629]

Mthfr-- I've already been tested for this 3 years ago (this has been a long problem) and I don't have it. Can it suddenly develop?

No, it's a gene mutation so you're born with it. It has to be passed down from one or both parents.

[luvmyfam]

What blood type are you? I was just wondering if they checked to see if there's an incompatibility issue.