treatment for short cycles, possibly anovulatory

[mysweetboys]

So has anyone been treated for short cycles? Possibly anovulatory, but not sure.
If ovulating, VERY short lp?

If I was to get treatment for this, what do they prescribe? Wondering if it would ruin my sway or help it.
Obviously if I can't get pg it doesn't even matter what way I'm swaying, but interested to hear if anyone has experience with this.

Thx!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Tell me more about what is happening with you.

The gold standard treatment is Clomid and that will only help a pink sway.

[mysweetboys]

Well, I just wrote you a long answer to this and it disappeared.

You did give me some information on this on another thread of mine...

Basically I've been having short cycles for a couple of years now but without temping or using opks (not TTC then), I was not aware that I wasn't O'ing early enough (or at all) to give me along enough LP.
I believe that I may be having anovulatory cycles or possibly SUPER short lp. Like a few days. Does that happen? If not, it's probably anovulatory. But in any event, neither would result in conception.

So I'm wondering what would help. Clomid (or femara? since I'm 36 going on 37?) Those would help induce ovulation.. Correct? What about LP?

[maidentomother]

How short are we talking? 21-35 is considered the normal range for cycle length.

I went through a period of 9 months in which my LP was only 4-6 days. My cycles were normal length as always, I was just Oing very late. In my case I think a hormone-modulating med I was on was to blame.

[The Anchor]

Femara may be better than Clomid for us older mommas. A 3 or 4 day LP is very unlikely, my guess is you are having anovulatory cycles. Again, Femara will help :)

[LacePrincess]

I've heard good things about Femara too. I have a friend doing fertility treatments now, she's PCO tendency with short LP and late O. Clomid didn't help at all but Femara seems to be giving her better results.

Does Femara sway pink? Anyone know? I'm curious as my LP is pretty crap and always has been.

[mysweetboys]

Thanks all...

Maiden, I occasionally have one that is 25-26 days long, and those are my long ones. The shortest was 16 days, only once, but usually they are between 18-21.
This last cycle was 19. No +opk, and a temp shift indicating possible O at cd15, but I was also sick, so not sure if I did O or not. No O pains, which are usually very noticeable for me.

[maidentomother]

I responded in your other thread. I definitely think you are having some anov cycles after looking at your charts. I think your LP is fine most likely when you do O based on the ovulatory cycle you temped. But still, you should be on a med to help you O every cycle.

Femara does sway pink also, Lace! I think not QUITE as much as clomid but still good.

[mysweetboys]

Does anyone know if the dr will ask to see my charts? Or go on what I tell her?

I would like to say that I have temped for more months than I have even though I'm fairly sure that I'm actually not O'ing consistently...

[maidentomother]

Most drs don't think much of charting. I think you just need to tell them how short your cycles are. So you could bring your charts in just to demonstrate that. Plus cycle length is really all you've been tracking most months anyway.

[XXforhubby]

Most drs don't think much of charting. I think you just need to tell them how short your cycles are. So you could bring your charts in just to demonstrate that. Plus cycle length is really all you've been tracking most months anyway.

I agree, and I would show her the ones you do have and just say you brought in a few to show her if she is interested. That should be enough. FX and GL that something productive comes if this for you! I can only imagine how frustrated you feel!!


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[mysweetboys]

Right, I guess that's what I meant is that id like to say I've been temping longer than I have to verify that I have actually not been O'ing.
I guess I'll say that I have been actively TTC for longer....

[maidentomother]

Any decent obgyn should be able to realize you're unlikely to be Oing every month with such short cycles, even if they are totally skeptical of chaŕting. And if you DO get a dr who understands charting, all the better, as they will (likely) draw the same conclusion from your temps.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks all...

Maiden, I occasionally have one that is 25-26 days long, and those are my long ones. The shortest was 16 days, only once, but usually they are between 18-21.
This last cycle was 19. No +opk, and a temp shift indicating possible O at cd15, but I was also sick, so not sure if I did O or not. No O pains, which are usually very noticeable for me.

That isn't normal and needs to be checked out and treated no matter what. Any doctor who doesn't take 18 day cycles as a reason for investigation - get a new doctor. You shouldn't need to temp/chart to get a doc's attention for cycles that are 18-21 days.

[atomic sagebrush]

Right, I guess that's what I meant is that id like to say I've been temping longer than I have to verify that I have actually not been O'ing.
I guess I'll say that I have been actively TTC for longer....

If you go into your doc's office and tell them you are having 18 day cycles and they do not take you seriously at your word, you need a new doctor. you do NOT NEED to be temping. Your doctor needs to take your word for that and treat it because it needs to be treated. PLEASE don't hold off seeing a doctor to try and accumulate temp charts, it's not at all necessary and most people never chart and are still treated by their doctors.

[atomic sagebrush]

I responded in your other thread. I definitely think you are having some anov cycles after looking at your charts. I think your LP is fine most likely when you do O based on the ovulatory cycle you temped. But still, you should be on a med to help you O every cycle.

Femara does sway pink also, Lace! I think not QUITE as much as clomid but still good.

Femara was just shown in one study to actually be BETTER than Clomid, which is interesting to me because we assumed some stuff about how Clomid was swaying that may not be the case! :think:

[maidentomother]

Yep, I can't imagine any dr NOT realizing immediately there's a problem with such short cycles. And you've been having them regularly for quite a while. It will be very obvious and you will get testing/and or treatment for sure.

HOW much better was femara in this study? I do agree that it suggests more than just the lack of EWCM/fertile CM turning creamy swaying, as with clomid. I always thought there was more to clomid swaying anyway, simply bc of how strongly it appears to sway. If it were just CM we'd see better results from antihistamines, I'd think. But I find it hard to believe femara sways stronger bc it doesn't usually affect CM as much.

[mysweetboys]

I read that study. It was a lot better! I was wondering if we had seen that here.
Are there GDers who have used Femara?

That study is linked in a thread called something like "Femara sways big and now I'm scared"

I'm on my phone and not sure how to find and link it or I would.

[maidentomother]

That gives me some place to start searching, thanks mysweetboys!

[mysweetboys]

Did you find it? Or anything else?

[maidentomother]

I found it! It DOES seem that femara sways significantly more than clomid. The study sample size was good (374 on clomid, 376 on femara), and the clomid gender ratio was .88 and for femara .65 (lower means more girls). I do wonder if the fact that women who need medication to O probably have lower fertility anyway is partly why they had so many girls, but I don't think it could account for that big of a shift in gender ratio. And regardless, femara did produce a higher percentage of girls.

Now I need to go learn exactly why/how...oh wait, that probably isn't good for a pink sway. Damn. I'll have to delay this project until I'm pregnant.

[mysweetboys]

So I went to the dr today and they just ran some blood tests etc. I have to go back in a week which puts me out for this cycle if I want medication.
If I ovulate this cycle, I'm wondering if I should attempt or wait to see if I can get medication if it sways so much...

[maidentomother]

If you've already been doing the diet tor 12w I would attempt this cycle, if not I'd wait.

[atomic sagebrush]

I found it! It DOES seem that femara sways significantly more than clomid. The study sample size was good (374 on clomid, 376 on femara), and the clomid gender ratio was .88 and for femara .65 (lower means more girls). I do wonder if the fact that women who need medication to O probably have lower fertility anyway is partly why they had so many girls, but I don't think it could account for that big of a shift in gender ratio. And regardless, femara did produce a higher percentage of girls.

Now I need to go learn exactly why/how...oh wait, that probably isn't good for a pink sway. Damn. I'll have to delay this project until I'm pregnant.

THe thing I assumed made Clomid sway, is negated by the study - namely that Clomid blocks estrogen more thorougly than Femara and thus should sway more strongly than Clomid - we know so little about this!

[maidentomother]

It's shocking how little we know, really, about the body and how meds work. Let's hope with the rise in clomid & femara use we'll see more research into their mechanism of action.

[atomic sagebrush]

Another interesting thing is the way that Clomid has actually seemed to work BETTER the month after stopping it for some people. I have seen so many people get pg the month after stopping Clomid and getting girls. I would love to have millions of dollars and an army of grad students at my disposal to study all these things.

[atomic sagebrush]

I found it! It DOES seem that femara sways significantly more than clomid. The study sample size was good (374 on clomid, 376 on femara), and the clomid gender ratio was .88 and for femara .65 (lower means more girls). I do wonder if the fact that women who need medication to O probably have lower fertility anyway is partly why they had so many girls, but I don't think it could account for that big of a shift in gender ratio. And regardless, femara did produce a higher percentage of girls.

Now I need to go learn exactly why/how...oh wait, that probably isn't good for a pink sway. Damn. I'll have to delay this project until I'm pregnant.

Oh and wanted to point out that this was in women with PCOS. No way to know if this translates to general population or not.

[maidentomother]

That is my dream too! There are so many interesting things that deserve research, and yet so many STUPID studies like 'sedentary people have more body fat than athletes'...seriously? A grant was wasted on THAT?

I do want to go back to school for a doctorate and hopefully a career in academia once I'm done having kids. But I think I will probably go into chem or physics. Who knows though!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I find it sooo annoying when they basically do the same study again and again when there is so much in the world that needs studying. grr.