March 2ww

[XXforhubby]

Is it that time already? Wow! Here we go! Hi and welcome to the new ladies joining us! Welcome back to us ladies that have been around a time or two [emoji8]! Let's hope that March springs forward more BFP's!

FX and GL!!


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[Junie]

I should be joining you here any day now :)

[sageviolet]

I'm supposed to o in the first week of March.

[smarston3]

hey gals,

i'm coming over from february. on CD 2 now. going to talk to my GP about clomid today. i hope she just gives it to me. if we get a BFN next month, we won't be trying again until the end of april (due to EDD around xmas, i already have an xmas baby). if i can't get the clomid today, i don't know what i'm going to do. i'm thinking it's too late to start vitex, etc for this cycle..

Good luck to Everyone!!

[essnce629]

Good luck ladies! I'll be cheering you all on!

[HealthyGirl]

I will be joining you ladies. I should know if I get a BFP early week of March.


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[Nikole109]

When is the earliest DPO that you can test?


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[XXforhubby]

When is the earliest DPO that you can test?

I would say 8-9DPO with a FRER and 10-11DPO with any other test. GL!


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[Junie]

Nikole- earlier then 10DPO is pushing it as implantation might not have even occurred. 12 DPO is better if you would rather not be squinting at a really light line. :)

[Junie]

If I have a normal cycle which is a big IF, I should be able to test the weekend of the 21/22 of March. I've got everything crossed for everyone here this month!!!

[HealthyGirl]

So I'm only 5 or 6 DPO and I have this severe headache. It's shooting down one side of my face. I used to get migraines a lot before having my first baby but headaches completely stopped after having him.

I'm also on Macrobid for a UTI.

Does my headache mean anything ?


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[maudster]

Hello!!! I want to join!! I am 2 DPO, I will not test until the day before my expected period on March 10th. GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!!! FX for a girl!!!!

[djmommy]

I am going to try and join you ladies. I am CD 1 today so hopefully I can hang out a bit! Good Luck to everyone testing soon!!

[XXforhubby]

I am going to try and join you ladies. I am CD 1 today so hopefully I can hang out a bit! Good Luck to everyone testing soon!!

Ooh! We are cycle buddies!!!!! CD1 for me will be either later today or tomorrow!!!! I hope this is our month [emoji4][emoji8][emoji175][emoji175]!


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[XXforhubby]

So I'm only 5 or 6 DPO and I have this severe headache. It's shooting down one side of my face. I used to get migraines a lot before having my first baby but headaches completely stopped after having him.

I'm also on Macrobid for a UTI.

Does my headache mean anything ?


Not sure, but I hope you feel better soon!


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[XXforhubby]

Hello!!! I want to join!! I am 2 DPO, I will not test until the day before my expected period on March 10th. GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!!! FX for a girl!!!!

I'm the same way- I refuse to test before AF comes. I want to be ignorant of it ends up being a chemical, and I hate being disappointed in a BFN.

FX and GL!!


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[Junie]

XX and djmommy we're cycle buddies! Although I hope you're pregnant XX!

[Junie]

DJmommy what day do you normally O? I've never Od earlier than CD 15 but often closer to CD20.

[XXforhubby]

Junie- well I keep thinking AF is going to come, but the spotting is still ebbing and flowing. It looks like the normal color of AF, but it is barely there! Not sure if it is a really light period, or if AF will show soon. My temp did drop quite a bit today, though it is still above my coverline. No other symptoms. If it is AF, not sure what to call CD1. Maybe today, since my temp yesterday was still elevated?

We will see what tomorrow brings! I'm excited either way!


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[smarston3]

So, I had my days wrong. I've been slightly spotting for two days and started AF today..I am CD 1. Spoke to my PA RE friend, she's going to order day 3 labs(make sure I'm not still withdraw bleeding from mirena) then order clomid and ultrasound...I was in a bad place mentally last night so today's news is much better. Good luck everyone!!


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[Junie]

That sounds like a good plan smarston3!

[SweetLily]

Cheering you ladies on! I hope march brings lots of bfps!

[SweetLily]

Oh and best test--I have PROVEN that the FRER DIGI (in canada anyway) picks up as low as 5 miu. I do HCG shots some cycles for my hormone imbalance, and a few months ago the bfps were not going away when they should have (even my specialist thought it was a real bfp) but when I went in for blood work the day of my last bfp (about 2 hours after POAS) I had a quantitive beta of only 4 miu! I could NOT believe they picked up such a little amount. The line wasn't even a squinter! So if you want to know early, definitely the way to go!

[maidentomother]

Is anyone about to O within the next week? I could O any day and depending when exactly, I will be expecting AF around March 15th or so. My birthday is the 19th. It sure would be nice to be pregnant by then! If only I can get DF to actually produce some sperm before I O.

[XXforhubby]

If AF comes today or tomorrow, I could O anywhere from 9-14 days from now. I'm curious when I'll O. This will be the second cycle since I am no longer BFing DS2.

FX Maiden you get to BD soon!


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[djmommy]

XX glad we are cycle buddies, although I would rather see you get a BFP!!! FX! :heart::heart:
I hate spotting!! I had spotting 2 days before AF decided to make a full appearance! I go in Friday for CD 3 bloodwork and will find out if RE is doing an HSG! I am hoping to get tubes clear if one is still blocked!

Hi Junie! I usually O between CD 11-13 but my cycles have been really messed up for the past couple of months due to clomid I think. It didn't do good for me. I am not temping this cycle and I ordered opk's today because I don't want to be without them. I will probably use them but temping stresses me out too much and after a year I am taking a break!! :) Do you temp and use opk's?

Maiden, that would be an AWESOME Bday present!!! I am really hoping and praying for you!!

I am waiting for a personalized plan too, after 5 months I guess I need one!! :)

Hoping to keep up with all you gals and here is hoping we all get our much anticipated pink and blue BFP'S!!!!

[XXforhubby]

Well I can say I am definitely not pregnant and AF should be full on tomorrow morning, CD1. I too should O around the same time! I'm curious to see when I will O this cycle. I sure hope that we all get our BFPs this month!


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[smarston3]

Hey everyone, it's nice to have cycle buddies..I think I might O in the new moon. That's bad for swaying pink right?


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[XXforhubby]

Hey everyone, it's nice to have cycle buddies..I think I might O in the new moon. That's bad for swaying pink right?


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That is AWESOME for swaying pink!


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[smarston3]

Xx-I meant full moon :(


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[maidentomother]

Oing during the NM does sway strongly pink, but Oing near a FM doesn't sway blue bc most women O/most babies are conceived on a FM.

[Nikole109]

Does anyone know about the effect of the waxing crescent moon? I o'ed on feb 21st


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[kkkk37]

Hi.

Today should be my CD1, but AF is still not there and the test is negativ also.
I see that if AF comes soon I will have here some cycle buddies, so the waiting and trying shoulb be easier together.

[kkkk37]

Hi.

Today should be my CD1. But AF is not there jet, the test is negativ also.
I see that if AF comes sonn, I will have here some cycle buddies.
The whole trying and waitung should be easier together.

[kkkk37]

Hi.
Today should be my CD1. But AF is not here jet, the test is also negativ.
I see if AF comes soon, I will have cycle buddies, then the trying and waiting should be easier together.

[kkkk37]

Hi.
Today should be my CD1. But AF is not here jet, the test is also negativ.
I see if AF comes soon, I will have cycle buddies, then the trying and waiting should be easier together

[XXforhubby]

Hi.
Today should be my CD1. But AF is not here jet, the test is also negativ.
I see if AF comes soon, I will have cycle buddies, then the trying and waiting should be easier together

I'm on CD1 too today. Hang in there! When AF comes, I always take a break from exercise and have an entire cheat day. Yup. I eat whatever I want. This helps me cope and then I tighten up again the next day.

I think there are 4 of us on CD1-2 right now. It is nice to have this many cycle buddies. 4 is my lucky number [emoji4]!


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[smarston3]

Day 2 bloodwork today. Hoping results are back tomorrow to start clomid day 3..RR wants to do day 4... I guess I'll find out tomorrow


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[tarasue]

Does anyone know about the effect of the waxing crescent moon? I o'ed on feb 21st


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I would like to know too. I think I O'd the 19th or 20th, so right around the same time as you Nikole. When do you plan on testing or will you just wait it out and see if Af shows?


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[XXforhubby]

Full moon to day before New Moon is supposed to sway more boy. From New Moon to day before Full Moon is supposed to sway girl.

Waxing crescent is still in the Full Moon phase but is approaching the New Moon.

I personally think any phase approaching the New Moon sways more girl than boy.

FWIW, DS2 was conceived during a super New Moon! Diet and exercise is by far the strongest factor!!


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[maidentomother]

I agree with what XX said about the moon

I finally got some jizz today, yay! I also have an appointment with an RE on March 18th, which will be around CD3 if I don't conceive this cycle. Plus it's the day between DF's bday and mine, kinda funny. Apparently they will do a full blood work up and SA and maybe an HSG once they hear about my EP. And everything is covered by my insurance except DF's stuff (he doesn't have German insurance).

I called another clinic first and they didn't have an appointment until August!!! So I was very happy to find an earlier appointment elsewhere.

XX, I'm sorry AF came. And pretty surprised actually. *hugs* Enjoy your cheat day'

[SweetLily]

Maiden, was that an attempt I saw in your chart? I sure hope so cause that rise looks like you o'd yesterday like you thought you would!

I wanted to share a great book I read, for any of you going through problems--including you maiden, with your concerns about your lining. Its called the infertiklity cure by randine lewis. she is an acupuncturist and does tcm. in it, she shows you specific acupressure points to use for various fertility problems (including short periods and early O, among many other things) and she lists herbs you can take to correct these problems or what to get your acupuncturist to treat, as well as dietary and exercise suggestions for each condition. I have had a lot of success with acupuncture, I would be doing it now but I moved to a small town in the Rockies and there are none here, I'd have to go for a 3 hour trip each treatment to access someone.

In the book, she claims to be able to lower fsh naturally and bring women who have stopped cycling early to cycle again. she has also cured fibroids, pcos, and many other problems. she helps a lot of women with recurrent mcs and ivf failures. She says for good lining, your af should be at least 3-4 days and O before day 10 does not let eggs properly mature, which is something I always wondered. I got it on amazon. anyway, just wanted to share what I learned for any interested.

AFM, at the end of this cycle I see a huge change in my life. A huge diet and exercise until I have lost 20 lbs minimum. DH just told me he isn't going to be home for 6 more weeks,and he has been gone for 2 already. I woke up dreaming I found him surrounded by 4 girls all clad in skimpy lingerie and that we were separated and I was trying to get him back--not feeling happy about THAT! I woke up feeling really crappy and depressed. I hate this new life we have been forced into.

GL to all of you on cd 1/2 who are starting a new cycle!

[SweetLily]

Maiden, so happy top hear that! On both counts lol! that is great news, but hopefully you will get your birthday baby and wont need the re :)

[maidentomother]

Thank you! And for the book rec! I'm not into acupuncture but the rest sounds really interesting. And I do like acupressure. I freaking LOVE reflexology.

I definitely haven't Oed yet (thank god), my cervix isn't fertile yet and my OPKs are still light. My cervix is by far my most reliable sign, it goes SHOW at least 3 days before O. So I shouldn't O for at least 4 days. I'm hoping to get 1-2 more attempts in before I O.

That nightmare sounds awful! :( I wonder if it means you are pg though...fx!

[XXforhubby]

Sweetlily- where in the Rockies? I lived in Parker, Centennial, and Littleton from 2002-2009! Thank you for the book recommendation! I had come across that book when I researched acupuncture for fertility. I think I'll check it out, since I have been doing acupuncture for 2 cycles now. I agree with Maiden, that sounds like a pregnant dream!!

Maiden, you'll be able to have another attempt before you O then, if you're doing BDing every 3 days. I hope you get a birthday BFP!

AFM, I think we will BD every 3 days until after confirmed temp rise. Maybe every 4 days depending on DH's work schedule.


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[smarston3]

Yeah Maiden! Glad to hear you got it done!! I had a good day today. CD2 had a baseline scan and bloodwork. Start clomid tomorrow and rescan day 10 or so. She knows I'm trying for a girl so we are timing attempt


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[SweetLily]

Xx i live in british columbia. Canada side eh?! Lol.

Maiden i am glad you have a few more days then, that is awesome!

I have been having crazy dreams and nightmares for 3 nights now and am 10 dpo. I dreamed 2 nights ago i was preg and then another dream i had a deformed baby! Sheesh...maybe its my hormone therapy? I take estradiol and progesterone in my lp.

[sageviolet]

essnce - Your chart looks great!

SweetLily - Must you tempt me to spend more $ to poas? lol Thanks for the tips in the Feb. thread! We're still deciding about classes or not, checked prices with another teacher. Actually I'm trying just using the book this month and seeing if I learn anything, also giving the acupuncture some time to work. That book you recommend sounds very interesting. Thanks for sharing! I looked it up, saw my local library has a copy, and just ordered it. I just started up acupuncture treatments again focusing on fertility this time after some cleansing stuff for Lyme last summer.

Maiden - I will most likely o sometime around the 3rd to 5th. Hope your birthday present turns out better than mine!

[mommymachine]

Xx i live in british columbia. Canada side eh?! Lol.

Nice and close! I am in Alberta:)

[XXforhubby]

Fertility Wisdom by Angela Wu looks good as well. While I would love to read these, I think it is best for me to let go and let be. But, if you ladies post interesting info about what you read, that is different [emoji6]. My past desire to control my environment and the outcome of things beyond my control, just exhausts me. While I would love nothing more than to have a sticky BFP and to be pregnant with another child, it needs to happen on its own time. I trust that God and the Universe will bring me my hearts desire when I am ready and the time is right. Until then, I will work on getting rid of the things/habits that no longer serve me, and to be the best that I can be. Yeah, you could say I've taken the Lenten spirit to heart, but I believe that there is a reason for things happening. While I may never know the answer(s), I can only change/work on myself. It feels good! I have changed some pretty deep things that I have needed to for quite some time and the results are amazing! So I'm making room, you could say. We will see what fills up the space soon enough [emoji6]!

May the rest of us TTCing find the peace and strength to obtain your heart's desires [emoji8]!


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[SweetLily]

Nice and close! I am in Alberta:)

I just moved out :) I'm on the border by Lake Louise now, on the BC side :)

[SweetLily]

Hugs, XX! I will post points I think are relevant. I dont know your history, if you wish to fill me in I will read up on suggestions she has and pm it to you. I feel real truth in this book, and see answers here for me. I am going to pursue it, and the first thing on my list is cleaning up my diet: no hormone fed food, of any kind, no dairy and no sugar or gluten. Clean eating at its best!

[XXforhubby]

Hugs, XX! I will post points I think are relevant. I dont know your history, if you wish to fill me in I will read up on suggestions she has and pm it to you. I feel real truth in this book, and see answers here for me. I am going to pursue it, and the first thing on my list is cleaning up my diet: no hormone fed food, of any kind, no dairy and no sugar or gluten. Clean eating at its best!

Thanks! I eat pretty clean- only grass-fed hormone antibiotic free chicken/turkey, I do have whole milk yogurt, almond milk if I want milk, I do need to have whole grains- quinoa, whole grain pasta sometimes, brown rice (I don't lose weight otherwise), and I do have a small amount of good quality chocolate (1 small square ) when I crave sweets- 1-3 times a week max.

My issue is back in October my FSH was 44.8 and in November was 45.2 with an AMH that was barely detectable. I had a chemical in November. My AFC showed plenty of eggs and the appropriate amount of follicles for my age (just turned 35) and my lining was/is fantastic. My BbT charts are also fine. RE said he wouldn't treat me, since he would be only treating my numbers, since everything else looks fantastic. He proposed that BFing could be skewing things, although my prolactin was normal at 13. RE basically said go forth and keep trying. I have been doing acupuncture for the past 2 cycles, and my cycles are now back to what they were before having children- which I take is a great sign. I have no symptoms of menopause, not to mention I have a 21mo old that was conceived after only 3 months of trying and a 4yr old who was a OHW.

I am doing Yoga in addition to cardio for my mental well being, and I meditate regularly every day.

I believe the crazy high FSH values were due in part to me taking large amounts of myoinositol (I was not taking it for swaying purposes). Myoinositol works to promote ovulation by increasing FSH levels. I stopped taking this in November. I have not had my levels rechecked but assume they are better, since my charts look much better and my cycles have regulated to my old normal.


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[SweetLily]

Xx i will read up and post her suggestions tmrw :)

[kkkk37]

AF is here, also today is my CD1.
I look forward to ttc together with all nice ladies here, wish all us a lot of BFPs nad the desired gender.:fx:

[Junie]

Sorry kkkk37! The boys sick germs have finally caught up to me and I'm quite ill. Husband is out of town, and 1 boy is home "sick" as well (at this point his sickness just seems to be a good dose of being whiny and easily frustrated LOL). Husband is visiting friends 1.5 hrs away and I've told him he either gets his parents to watch the kids or he comes home tomorrow. He rarely gets to see this group of friends but I'm really never this sick and I just can't watch the boys feeling like this. I mean I can barely stand. At least illness sways pink ;)

[kkkk37]

Junie, sorry that you are sick. But as you said being sick sways pink.

[maidentomother]

Hugs, XX! I will post points I think are relevant. I dont know your history, if you wish to fill me in I will read up on suggestions she has and pm it to you. I feel real truth in this book, and see answers here for me. I am going to pursue it, and the first thing on my list is cleaning up my diet: no hormone fed food, of any kind, no dairy and no sugar or gluten. Clean eating at its best!

Why no dairy? I am always leery of books/people that completely forbid dairy of all types for all people. I DO think conventional, pasteurized milk from antibiotic & hormone treated, grain-fed livestock is best avoided, but raw organic milk from grassfed cows I believe is a true superfood. On the opposite side of the main village road lives an organic farmer, and I get milk 3x week from her, fresh from the cow. It's amazing. Although I want my own cow still eventually, bc hers barely graze and are milked mechanically. I can still taste the hay and sunlight in the milk, and I haven't been sick (excluding Lyme from a tick & a UTI) since I moved here and started drinking it 2.5 years ago (grass/hay fed raw milk is high in vitamins D3 and K3, as well as tons of enzymes and good bacteria which do much to support the immune system).

Ladies, thank you all so much for your support and enthusiasm!

sage, it sounds like we might indeed O together. Yay :)

smarston, I'm so excited (and jealous) for you being on clomid!

XX, it's nice to be on track together in terms of our attempting approach this cycle. Are you still considering BD every day from AF through O next cycle?

SweetLily, those definitely sound like crazy vivid preggo dreams to me!

kkkk37, I'm sorry AF came. :( At least you have several cycle buddies this month.

Junie, I was really hoping you'd avoid getting sick. And I just noticed AF came recently for you too. Indulge yourself a little and feel better soon. *hugs* Healing prayers for your little one, too. Is it still DS2?

[HealthyGirl]

I've been up last 4 hours and feeling very nauseous. I finally threw up twice. I don't believe I have food poisoning.

I'm only 8 DPO. Could I be pregnant?




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[djmommy]

Junie I am sorry you are sick! Hope you feel better soon and hoping it will sway Pink for you!!

[sageviolet]

Ooo, yes xx, that Fertility Wisdom book looks very interesting, too! Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be at any library in my state, so I'd have to buy it, and doubt that will happen anytime soon (dh and I are book addicts and really try to limit buying). If someone can get their hands on a copy, please let me know how it is!

SweetLily, I've been studying the NaPro book and have a question for you: What is the definition of "lubricative"? It says fertile cm is "stretchy, clear, and/or lubricative" and has the list of all the cm descriptions and codes, but never defines lubricative. (TMI warning) Does that mean it has some oils and still slides on your fingers once the water content dries up?

Junie, hope you get well soon!

Maiden, I also drink raw milk and go to great lengths to get it farm fresh! My source is hand milked. Yes, you can taste the seasonal greens, so yummy! But I know some ppl have a casein allergy and my dd might be one of them. She's on an elimination diet right now for her eczema. My biggest suspects are dairy or nightshades, but we don't have any answers yet as we're just starting to re-introduce things slowly. This week it was egg yolks.

HealthyGirl - That's super early to have morning sickness. Could you have picked up a bug somewhere? Hope you feel better soon!

[XXforhubby]

Junie- I hope you feel better soon! I've been fighting the bug my boys had too- I haven't gotten sick yet, but I feel my body is trying to fight it off. This does sway pink [emoji175]!

Maiden- Atomic advises against BDing everyday for me. DH is 37, although he did have an awesome SA. I think I'll keep BDing every 3-4 days and let DH call the shots before and after my fertile window, if he wants to BD more frequently. I'll try to keep only 1-2 attempt(s) in my fertile window. I think I may be stopping attempts too early, even though I see a clear temp rise. I wonder if I O later, based on symptoms. So we will keep BDing well after my temp rise.

HealthyGirl- I think it is too early for symptoms, unless you Oed way earlier than you thought. You might have caught a bug. FX and GL you get a BFP!!

AFM- I'm feeling pretty good about things. I'm pretty relaxed and at peace with things.

Looking forward to more BFPs this month!!!



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[SweetLily]

Maiden, I agree about the dairy you have but we dont have that here. its illegal to sell raw dairy in canada. And I think I need a liver detox, and to do that you can't have dairy, as its a strain on the liver.

Sage, lubricative means it makes sex more comfortable. Its like you have lube. It has nothing to do with how it feels dry. I dont know how else to explain it, but for me, the only cm that it lubricative is EW. anything else is not. Does that help?

XX! Looking up the info!

[maidentomother]

sage, I'm so glad you can get raw milk where you live. I know it's illegal in many states. It can't be sold commercially here in Germany which I find very disappointing. It's so driven by Big Dairy, ugh. I'm sorry to hear about DD's eczema. My neice has it and my half sister still isn't sure if dairy, gluten/wheat or both are to blame so she mostly avoids both. And my neice is 15 now! It's super tricky to figure out, and I hope you do soon. Or DD grows out of it, which is common. Unless it's genetic?

XX, I think your plan to BD later is a good one. I will be doing that as well since I sometimes wonder if I O later, too. But I'm surprised atomic thinks your DH can't/shouldn't BD every day. Is that bc you suspect he'd find it difficult? Or just purely bc of age? Either way, I definitely thinj regular release all cycle long is much more important for sperm health than most realize. I'm kicking myself for not realizing it sooner. I'm having DF release in between our attempts so he's releasing every other day roughly, since 3 days ago. And in his case I think his sperm need the help. He's on OLE now too. I hope something does the trick!

SweetLily, it makes me so angry that raw milk is illegal in Canada (and anywhere), grr. Though you could possibly find a local source or get a cow. ;) Why is dairy a strain on the liver?

Sage & SL, As for lubricative CM, I would definitely consider my Watery CM in that category, not just EWCM. Not that I know much about Creighton charting. To me lubricative means I don't need any lube or even prep work/foreplay before BD bc my own CM is plenty lubricating for comfy sex. Yes EWCM is ideal, but Watery works well too IME! Just my 2 cents.

[XXforhubby]

Maiden- I believe it is because it can lower sperm count, and I need all the help I can get!

SweetLily- thank you!!!!

Sage- I would have to agree that my watery CM is just as lubricative as my EWCM. I have found that since I have added more eggs in my diet, I have more CM.


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[maidentomother]

Ahhh yes that I can understand.

[sageviolet]

lol, I haven't had the good, long stretchy ewcm since before dd, so maybe I don't know what lubricative is? No seriously, I think I understand now. That is helpful, thanks!
Xx and maiden, the Creighton scale is more detailed and has "watery with lubrication" and "watery without lubrication", so you see my confusion.

[XXforhubby]

Gotcha! Well my watery is always with lubrication, but I get this right before EWCM so that makes since. Before watery, I have either sticky or creamy, depending on how quickly by body gears up to O.

Maybe add in a couple of eggs twice a week to see if that helps your CM. It worked wonders for me! I can now avoid lube!


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[girliedreamz]

Coming over from the Feb thread! I'm sill waiting...about 7-8 dpo now, but I'm not testing until I think af should be here. I'm 50/50 on if we bd the right time or not, so trying to focus on March's attempt and not mess up my LE too badly with "what if" anxiety eating. ;)

[maidentomother]

Fx girlie!

Like XX, my WCM is always lubricative. I get it after Creamy snd before EWCM, just like XX.

[HealthyGirl]

Can someone please tell me how soon I can test with wondfo pregnancy strips?


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[maidentomother]

10DPO?

[HealthyGirl]

Thanks. I'm still a couple of days away from 10dpo. I did one at 8dpo and I got a negative.

Are wondfo pregnancy strips reliable?


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[Grace]

Hi everyone!! Here we are again..Today is cd6 for me, should o next weekend. Hope we all have a successful month xxx

[XXforhubby]

FX and [emoji120]for you Grace! I'm on CD4 and we already started BDing [emoji15]! I guess my DH took the rabbit analogy to heart! I'll have to dial it back once we get to my fertile window to ensure 1-2 attempts. Otherwise, I'll let him do whatever he wants. This is cycle 9 and DH cannot be contained. This is my compromise! I will not let go of 1 attempt in my fertile window- I have worked too hard to undo anything in one fell swoop!!!

FX ladies that we see more BFPs this month!!!


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[tarasue]

I would be honored to start this month off on a positive (hopefully positively pink) note!
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/01/01d4eeba51d1253d639cce142f61c5eb.jpg

I'm only 8-9dpo and it's still a pretty light line, but I'll take it[emoji3]

I'm scared to death and shaking right now. Stick little rainbow baby, STICK!!!


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[Grace]

So exciting tarasue!! Crossing my fingers for you!

[maidentomother]

Yayyyy tarasue! That's great for so early! :)

[XXforhubby]

Congrats! I'm so happy for you [emoji4]!


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[essnce629]

Yay Tara! Hope you get some nice dark lines in 2 days! Come on sticky baby!

[TaytumJ]

I'm finally making my way over! :)

Terasue: Congrats! What a GREAT way to kick off March! Praying for a sticky pink bean!

Crossing my fingers for all of you this month - sounds like so many good things are happening around here so I hope this month is great for all of us!

I really am hoping that I will O at a decent CD this time around (not waiting around 145+ days this time!). But, since the bleeding, a little over a week ago, I am really hoping that was my body's way of restarting. I hope this means my O will be closer rather than later as I have NO clue when my fertile window is!

[Junie]

Congrats Tarasue!!!! Yay for a BFP:) I'm so happy for you!

[QueenB3blue]

Congrats Tarasue!


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[kitkat18]

Just crashing in to say YAH !! Tarasue X

[maidentomother]

I think you will definitely O sooner this cycle Taytum!

Ladies, I am SO annoyed with DF, we were supposed to BD yesterday and bc he wouldn't (he is having major attitude issues) now I won't be able to get 2 more attempts in before O/have as ideally timed attempt(s), and that's even assuming he f-ing cooperates over the next several days, starting with BD ASAP today. I am really at the end of my rope with him and soooooo close to just going to a bar/club and picking up a man. I am completely seriously considering it. I did it in my 20s plenty. The only issue is it's a Monday....and also I have never been to a bar/club here in Germany. Suggestions?

Sex 3-4 times a month isn't a big deal. Wtf. Our fertility window of opportunity each cycle is so small, and as women our ages deteriorate with every passing day. I know men can't really understand it emotionally but surely they can grasp the facts of the matter? My late DH wussed out on having kids and now DF won't comply and I just am SO ANGRY with these selfish, reluctant, ambivalent men! Arghhhhhhhh!

[sageviolet]

Congrats, Tarasue!!! Did you have any early symptoms or implantation signs?

[sageviolet]

Maiden, *hugs*! Have you thought about going high tech with donor sperm? Costly, but you might have better results and you could shop for some good genes.

[Grace]

Maiden- sorry it's such a struggle. But if it's any consolation, my DH isn't making it easy for me either. Anyway, all you really need is one attempt at the right time, so take a deep breath and make a date with your guy when you think you'll have the highest chance of conception. And by all means at the same time try finding another partner. Hope all works well for you this month xxx

[tarasue]

Maiden- I'm so sorry df isn't cooperating. It's so hard to want to dtd when your irritated with the other person. I know when I'm around my fertile week I bite my tongue a lot so we don't get under each other's skin. Good luck to you and fx he comes around!


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[tarasue]

Congrats, Tarasue!!! Did you have any early symptoms or implantation signs?

Af still isn't due until Friday or Saturday, so it's pretty early.

Symptoms:
-3-5dpo extra thirsty and tired.
-On Friday evening, 7dpo, I had about 15 minutes where I felt like someone was stabbing my cervix/uterus, then pretty crampy the next day.
-Saturday night and last night I had night sweats.
-Yesterday, 9dpo, I had really bad lower back pain, shortness of breath, dizzy & my diet Pepsi tastes like hairspray.
-This morning I'm a bit queezy, especially after I put something in my mouth and I woke up tired.
-I've noticed more acne, shallow pimples, since 4dpo or so. I usually have pretty clear skin.

I just pray this sticks. With my miscarriage, I had ovulation bleeding and implant bleeding, but hardly no other symptoms besides practically drinking bottles of hot sauce and eating bags of fire jolly ranchers. If we have another loss, I'm done..... I mentally can't keep doing that to myself. So fingers crossed everything goes well!!!


Good luck everyone! Hopefully we see lots more bfp's in March than we did in jan/feb.


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[XXforhubby]

Maiden- ugh, there is nothing worse than an uncooperative DF! I say go for it- if he can't get his act together, find someone else. It's not like this is new to him, you have been going at it a few months!


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[XXforhubby]

Tarasue- this IS your sticky, healthy bean! You'll see! I think it's great you have had stronger symptoms! That means stronger hormone production, which means a healthy bean is growing!!

I'm so happy for you! After all you have been through....it's nice to have a happy ending [emoji4]!


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[TaytumJ]

Maiden - that has to be really frustrating. Seriously, especially since it's basically only one week out of the month. That has to be the worst. I wouldn't blame you if you just went to the bar and picked someone up - I probably would too, especially with how diligent you've been on the diet and how long you've waited. You would also think DF would understand that. I hope he comes around ASAP!

[SweetLily]

Oh maiden, I am so sorry he is doing this to you! Can you find someone else? I know how seriously you took the selection process and how much work you put into it. How frustrating. I can't even advise you, its something you are going to have to figure out--how much you are willing to tolerate from him!!!

Tarasue, congrats! I hope you have a sticky bean in there!

[SweetLily]

Sage & SL, As for lubricative CM, I would definitely consider my Watery CM in that category, not just EWCM. Not that I know much about Creighton charting. To me lubricative means I don't need any lube or even prep work/foreplay before BD bc my own CM is plenty lubricating for comfy sex. Yes EWCM is ideal, but Watery works well too IME! Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

Maiden you are right about this, watery is considered fertile, but it doesn't usually feel lubricative as the creighton model is looking for--but it is plenty fertile! And better for swaying a DD, it means you are doing something right!

As for the milk, I will have to look for a farmer. Dairy isn't hard on the liver, but you can't cleanse the liver while consuming it.

Afm, I have been a hormonal psychopath lately and feel sorry for my family. Ready to kick my father out of the house and glad that dh isn't subjected to this since he's gone. What a frustrating week I have had!

[SweetLily]

lol, I haven't had the good, long stretchy ewcm since before dd, so maybe I don't know what lubricative is? No seriously, I think I understand now. That is helpful, thanks!
Xx and maiden, the Creighton scale is more detailed and has "watery with lubrication" and "watery without lubrication", so you see my confusion.

I have to say that I dont NOT find the creigton model useful. Only the meds I got to fix my imbalances after. If you dont need reproductive assistance, I would not bother honestly. Once I went thru the program I went back to my old ways; all that watery non-lubricative crap etc was just TOO MUCH! I can tell when I O (except for this month apparently) and dont need to chart that heavily to figure it out--and I disagree about the bbt, I think they are WRONG. BBT goes up after O, its a scientific fact! They say its useless cause it can take days to go up and is therefore unreliable. I think they are wrong on that too. Just my cranky two cents :)

[SweetLily]

LMAO, I just posted how great it was that DH wasn't home to be subjected to my miserable mood and he just called and said he was on his way home! Its blizzarding so they quit work and hes coming home after 2 1/2 weeks away! I am so excited and kinda scared, I have not told him I'm pregnant and I LOOK it cause I am so bloated and I don't want to tell him if its not going to stick anyway and I'm so happy and so freaked out all at once I'm losing my mind!

I don't even know what I am going to tell him when he asks why I look this way!

Freaking out is not going to help, is it...

What a mess....!

And sorry for my crazy rant. I'm a bit looney right now.

[XXforhubby]

Just tell DH you are getting ready to have one helluva period, if he mentions anything. I think men can be clueless about us sometimes!


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[TaytumJ]

My CM right now feels slippery/lubricative but (TMI) still some creamy in my underwear. What the heck do I count this as?? This is always the part that confuses me.

[Junie]

Hugs to you Sweetlily!

Maiden- I hope he comes around quickly!

[Junie]

Taytum- You always mark the most fertile CM you have on that day. So if you had creamy and watery you would mark watery.

[tarasue]

I'm starting to doubt those positive tests.... I'm having back aches that remind me of how I felt before I lost the last baby. I don't remember lower back aches with my two boys[emoji53]


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[XXforhubby]

Hang in there Tarasue. I'm sure it is the bean snuggling in! I'm [emoji120]for you!


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[Junie]

Tarasue- I had backaches with both my pregnancies. It is a common symptom. I'm sure it is impossible not to worry, but I would try to just relax and live in the moment. Right now you are pregnant, try to focus on that. :)

[tarasue]

Thanks girls. I keep telling myself that whatever happens now is out of my hands. Dh and I did our part, if it's meant to be it will be. Maybe things are just loosening up and stretching out quicker since I had a miscarriage recently. I hate to burden you girls with my feelings, but I haven't even told dh yet.

Good luck ladies! Whose next to test??


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[sageviolet]

Tarasue, the way I found out I was preg with dd was because I woke up with a little backache and it's what I felt while I was briefly pregnant with the one I lost. So I don't think backache has anything to do with whether they stick around or not! Add to the confusion that I was having some strong backache this past cycle and thought I was preg but af came. Maybe it was a chemical? But I never got a positive test.

[sageviolet]

SweetLily, yeah, this Creighton stuff is crazy. It's like a hazing period before they do the good things, lol! From what I've read, after you've taken the class and charted for a couple of months, they do targeted blood tests, like every other day right at key times, right? And then you get the ideal treatments to get your body to work. Their philosophy is that the standard day 3 and day 21 testing isn't as accurate because it doesn't consider the individual's cycle. I'm totally on board with all that, I just think classes and being so protective of their copyright cm scale is silly. I didn't read the things about bbt that you mention, I thought they just didn't like bbt because it's retrospective and doesn't tell you about o until afterwards.

Anyway, I figure I learned enough from this free book from the library to avoid a class for now. I'm trying their cm scale this cycle, see what I learn and can self-diagnose from the book, and give the acupuncture some time to work. I ordered the one book xx mentioned last week and should receive it tomorrow.

[XXforhubby]

Cool Sage! Then you can post what you learn so I don't have to obsess [emoji6]! Or you can PM me, if you prefer! If that isn't too much to ask.


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[XXforhubby]

Essnce- when you log back in to catch up, I sent you a PM. I wanted to let you know, in case you don't check them often [emoji6]!


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[Rosie85]

Tarasue...i have had terrible backaches this entire pregnancy so far. Totally normal. Congrats on your bfp!

[SweetLily]

Tarasue--totally normal. I had that with all my babies and noticed a marked change in my body by baby 3--its like it had the whole baby thing down pat and I had every symptom in the book from day 1! It was crazy. Tyr not to worry, its actually probably a good sign that the pregnancy is going well.

Sage, glad you got the course figured out. The testing only is different because they do the 21 day test on 7 dpo, the 21 day test ASSUMES you are 7 dpo. if you go at 7 dpo your results ill be the same. And day 3 is easy to count, day 3 is day 3. period. Lol.

DH's visit has been lovely. I havent said anything, I bloat fairly often anyway. I want to know for sure one way or another before I tell him. He cries so much when I have an mc, hes more upset than I am and I cant put him through more stress than he is already under right now. I will test again in a couple of days. the 4-5 week mark is where it always goes bad.

Thanks xx, you're a sweetie.

have a wonderful day ladies!

[sageviolet]

xx, snow delay, I won't get the book until later today. I will definitely share what I learn!

Here's your ttc obsession for today: Making Babies Program (http://makingbabiesprogram.com/questionnaire/index.php) There's a book called "Making Babies" that is also along the lines of Chinese med and recommends acupuncture. I saw the preview on Amazon and a link to their online quiz.

SweetLily, FX for you!

My update: So frustrated and depressed. Why does my cm always dry up at o? :-(
This cycle I did epo or eating a whole grapefruit, alternating each day. I had oodles of creamy cm starting right after af and the past 2 days it has become more watery and is just barely there, nothing on tp, I have to use a finger. And I predict I'll have gobs of stretchy stuff in the 2ww again.
Why does this happen every month? Ugh, I cannot find this scenario anywhere. Can someone recommend a book or website? It's not that I lack cm, it just goes away when I need it most! I haven't had ewcm at o since before dd. It actually didn't go all the way to my best ewcm when she was conceived, but it was definitely more abundant than this.
And in case you forgot, I have tried cough medicine when this watery state happens and it does nothing but bring up some mucus in my lungs when breathing heavy during bding, lol.

Forgot to add my other grumbles for today: I am convinced dd waking up at night is an indicator of o time, lol! She's started waking up at night again the past couple of nights. And last night I probably messed up my temp because I started cuddling dh and getting warm from him, something I usually don't do for fear of messing up my temp, but I was so depressed about my cm I figured why care. So that's what's up with my chart in case you're wondering.

[SweetLily]

So this morning's test was a bfn. I guess we do need that appointment with the RE on April 1. I just dont understand why this keeps happening. But glad I didn't tell dh and stress him out, it would have been really hard on him. He gets very upset over dead babies as he put it. :(

[maidentomother]

Maiden, *hugs*! Have you thought about going high tech with donor sperm? Costly, but you might have better results and you could shop for some good genes.

Yes, I have considered this seriously and if I'm not pregnant by April I will probably go this route. The big issue is that I'm completely opposed to anonymous donor sperm, it MUST come from a man I've met in person and I'm very picky. I would rather foster to adopt than use anonymous donor sperm. I was created by AI from a known donor so it's a big deal to me. Unfortunately DFis opposed to IVF, he won't even do AI, he thinks children should only be created by sex which I find hurtful. Oh and I am not okay with ICSI which goes against my beliefs, and few clinics allow natural fertilization to my knowledge.

It looks like we will be O buddies again this cycle! Hopefully BFP/DD buddies, too. As for CM drying up at O, that is EXTREMELY common. Often it dries up days BEFORE O. As long as you BD plenty before O, when your CM is plentiful, there shouldn't be an issue. My cervix almost always closes before O and often my CM dries up in advance, too. That is the norm.

Grace, I'm so sorry your DH is being difficult too. DF was able to come through yesterday but I'm still really upset, bc I wanted to have attempts on O-4 and O-1, and now we will only have an attempt on O-2 (I just got my Peak & positive OPK today). I know it's possible to conceive with one attempt but we've tried that for 7 cycles with no luck, so I really wanted to up our chances this month. I'm almost positive he has low sperm count and maybe other sperm issues. But I don't want to sway blue by risking attempts closer than 3 days apart. It infuriates me that the timing could have been perfect but wasn't just bc he was in a bitchy mood.

tarasue, YES, that is it exactly! I'm a pretty sexual person, so once I get into it everything's fine bc my brain just shuts off amd all I do is feel in the moment (I seriously could have been a porn star lol), but in order to WANT to have sex in the first place I need to be in the right head space emotionally. And DF and I are are extremely incompatible emotionally. We annoy each other constantly and he used to make me cry several times a week just by saying hurtful things (he is very emotionally immature and the type to lash out).

I haven't had backaches in any of my pregnancies personally but they ars one of THE most common early pg symptoms so I'd consider thrm a good sign. Plus as you know pregnancies can differ greatly and each one is unique. Fx all is well in there!

XX, Taytum & Sweet, I'm going to try my hardest to find a new donor for next cycle. I'm hoping I'll be on clomid/femara and I really don't want to risk messing up or wasting a medicated cycle, as well as the LAST cycle I'll be TTC for a while. And if I do get clomid/femara I will be doing more and more frequent attempts, hopefully starting around CD3, and clearly I can't rely on DF since he couldn't even handle 3 attempts 3 days apart! I've definitely been swaying way too long to have it all be for nothing.

Sweet, what's going on with your father? How long has he been living with you? I hear you on feeling crazy emotional; I have been so upset and angry about the situation with DF (and his failure to finish despite BDing 3x in a day; he also couldn't come the first time we tried to BD this cycle and he wouldn't try until the following day). Twice I've cried myself to sleep over his bullshit. He tried to blame losing his erection on me, twice. It was obviously lies bc he kept changing his story! First I was 'too into it' and he claimed he thought I was faking my enjoyment (which I would never do, as he knows, I was just super horny) and then later he said it was bc I wasn't wearing perfume (I used to collect perfume and he HATES when I wear it).

I am so, so sorry about the BFN. It kills me that this keeps happening to you. :(

Junie, and anyone/everyone else who expressed sympathy and support, THANK YOU! I would probably be having a complete mental breakdown without you ladies to talk to and comfort me. I have no one else in my life I can talk to about this stuff.

[tarasue]

I would definitely be looking into a different sperm doner if he makes you cry, you don't need people like that in your life! You deserve better Maiden[emoji2]!


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[djmommy]

24035

Not sure if the pic uploaded it I got a package today and of course this stood out!

Good luck to everyone. Hope this is a good sign.

[djmommy]

OOOHHH....sorry it's so large!! LOL

[TaytumJ]

Sage: I hear you! I feel like I get more "slippery" and not EWCM at all. Or, last time, I got one days worth of EWCM, followed by two days of super creamy before a really obvious temp change (I still am not sure which day I actually O'd, but EWCM definitely wasn't on the day of the temp change.) I've heard of people trying Evening Primrose? I don't know what your supplement looks like (or if that sways pink?) but just something I've heard other people trying. Or Preseed?

Maiden - I completely understand your feelings about it. I can see where that would be infuriating, especially as you've been working at this and have it down to a science and now it must seem like DF is sabotaging it. I do agree with tarasue as well; you definitely don't deserve to be treated like that or made to cry, hopefully this cycle is the ONE and then you don't have to worry about this any more! I have everything crossed for you! Hoping this is the last cycle and a BFP with a sticky bean is on its way!

DJMommy - LOVE it! Someone else on another site I follow ordered something and they got a bag of "baby dust" with little stars in it. So cute!

Sweetlily: I'm so sorry for your loss. It never gets any easier. Thoughts and prayers with you. :(

My update: Temp seems to be climbing (I HOPE tomorrow is the temp spike!!) Today I feel really "slippery", so I hope that's a sign, too. I didn't get a chance to sneak away and do an OPK today, so I won't know until later. I almost DON'T want to take one, in case it's still faint - I might just BD tonight and wake up tomorrow and see what happens. I feel good about this and I don't want to dash any hopes.

Side note: a friend of mine got pregnant a year ago, but miscarried about 5 weeks. For the past year she's been obsessive over getting pregnant again. By the time I knew about all of this and we talked about it, I told her I thought it was just a timing issue and we would work together to try to time it better this time around. She was just really impatient though and went to the doctor and got Clomid. She did get pregnant on her first try on Clomid, but had her U/S today and she's having twins! Which was exactly what she wanted to avoid on Clomid haha. Funny though! :)

[Junie]

I'm so sorry Sweetlily :(
Hang in there Maiden this could still be your BFP cycle!

[maidentomother]

Thank you tarasue & Taytum! I know I deserve better, I only put up with him bc I'm so damn picky and so desperate to be pregnant. But increasingly I'm thinking it's just not worth it. I've worked so hard to separate myself from toxic people in my life, too hard to be abused.

Taytum, not sure if I've mentioned it before but I (and DF who hates all lubes) love YesBaby organic sperm friendly lube. I can barely distinguish the feel from my own fertile CM, which is worlds apart from any other lube. I also have ridiculously sensitive skin, everywhere, and am prone to YIs, but have had no issues using YB, even multiple times a day, days in a row. Highly recommend if ever needed! Even when I have plenty of my own internal CM, I'll sometimes use a bit of YB externally so no foreplay is needed (since I'm OCD and always wash my ladyparts thoroughly right before BD). Or I just lightly lube up DF.

I hope you see a positive OPK and we can be O buddies or almost O buddies. Btw, I REALLY recommend you BD every other day, starting today, until 7DPO, to maximize your chances of blue. Once you get a positive OPK, it would be even better if you can BD daily that same day and the next 3-4.

Funny about your friend...serves her right! But I hope everything goes well. Twin pregnancies can be SO scary.

I've gotten sparkly 'baby dust' (all blue unfortunately!) with orders from BabyHopes.com, which is a great site. I miss them! The OPKs here are SO bad.

Junie, thanks! I would love to O tonight or early tomorrow...or else in 2 days so I can attempt again. I am so tempted to BD more/before then...I am getting so desperate, been slacking a bit on the diet (snacking a sometimes, not having long enough overnight between meals, eating more overall) and gaining a little weight, so I particularly need to get pg this month. Plus if I have a son, my very first choice would be a saggitarius.

[XXforhubby]

SweetLily- I'm so sorry [emoji20]. I am [emoji120]that a BFP comes your way soon! FX that your RE appointment is productive.

TaytumJ- I agree with Maiden and would BD every other day until positive opk, then every day until your temp rise, then every other day for 3 more days in case of late O.

Maiden- Do whatever you have to do. I would be frustrated too, and you deserve so much better! He's acting worse than a PMSing woman!

Sage- thank you for your post! I love learning about fertility!

AFM- I had a huge increase in my sex drive last night and had 4 big O's [emoji51]! 4! I think the acupuncture is definitely working! Maybe a little too well. It's a good thing I still have a few days before my fertile window starts, although I did have EWCM this afternoon. No positive opk yet. CD7.

FX we see more BFPs soon!


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[girliedreamz]

Congrats, tarasue!!! Thinking super sticky pink thoughts for you! I had a m/c in December, too, so I totally get where you are coming from on that front. I'm making myself wait until Friday to test. Eek!

maiden – how frustrating!! My dh did that to me a few times when we were first ttc (wow, this time last year...man, I've been at this too long!). Even now when he is 100% on board with ttc, he still has more of a male "it'll happen when it happens" attitude about it rather than realizing there is only a short window each month when it could possible just "happen."

Lol, djmommy! Let's hope it is a sign!

[essnce629]

24035

Not sure if the pic uploaded it I got a package today and of course this stood out!

Good luck to everyone. Hope this is a good sign.

Ha, I think it's a good sign as the exact same thing happened the month I got my BFP!!! DH's electric shaver charger had BFP printed on the side of it and I had never even noticed it. I even posted a picture on here about it! A few days later I got my BFP! Sadly it ended in a miscarriage though. Fingers crossed for you!!!

[essnce629]

SweetLily-- I'm so sorry about your BFN. Is it with the same test you took before? I really hope your sticky bean is coming soon. (((HUGS)))

Tara-- backache is the most common early pregnancy symptom. I definitely had it with DS2 and my loss pregnancy as well. I can't remember way back to my pregnancy with DS1 (12 years ago)! Sending you lots of sticky vibes though!!!

[HealthyGirl]

So I took a clearblue pregnancy test today( 4 days before AF is due) and it was negative.
Can I assume I'm not pregnant?


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[XXforhubby]

So I took a clearblue pregnancy test today( 4 days before AF is due) and it was negative.
Can I assume I'm not pregnant?

It may be too early to test. With DS2, I couldn't get a positive test until 21DPO!! If you ovulated later than normal, remember AF will be expected later too. Knowing your average LP is much better at predicting when AF is due, during months when O is later than usual.

I would test again in 3-4 days if no signs AF is coming.

FX you get a BFP!!


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[HealthyGirl]

Thanks xxforhubby
My LP is usually 14 days.
I will test again if I don't get AF in 3-4 days.


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[essnce629]

DH just told me that he has a consultation tomorrow about getting a vasectomy. I am so incredibly sad that I can barely breathe. Please pray that he doesn't go through with it.

[Grace]

Oh essence, you must talk to him !!! I know it's not easy but it's not fair you have to give up your hearts desire! My DH was also against having another baby, well truth of the matter is he didn't want to have kids at all when I first met him, so every baby is a strrugle with him. We now have three little boys. When I had the courage to tell him I wanted another one back in August he wouldn't hear of it. But I did not give up and continued to talk about it, very gently, didn't want to make him feel like he didn't have a choice, but tried to make him understand what it means to me. Now he's going along with ttc, not full heartedly, but doing what needs to be done. Hope your DH has a change of heart for your sake xxx

[Dreamofpink]

Grace you are not alone with your struggle with DH for children :( x x

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[maidentomother]

Healthy, it's too early to get a BFP on a a CB, they aren't very sensitive. You would need to be 14DPO for even a chance on a CB. FRERs are the best to test with early! Though even Wondfos are better than CBs for early testing.

essnce, I am so angry on your behalf! I hate these anti-children men! Although, Vs aren't always successful so it might be the only way you get another baby (with a good chance of girl), if he's being super careful to always use a condom. Have you considered taking the jizz out of the condom after sex and insrminating yourself?

Grace and Dream, I'm sorry for your DHs too. Mine was the same. I will never date another man unless he's willing to have kids immediately and until I say stop.

[Grace]

On a happier note: We just had our attempt for this cycle!!! I usually ovulate on cd12 and today is cd10. Earlier today I noticed some creamy cm, but not EW at all. Hope it works :-)

[XXforhubby]

Essnce- I am so sorry [emoji22]. I agree with everyone and I would have a heart to heart with him. I hope and pray once he learns how much this means to you, he will be on board ttcing. Maybe ask what amount of time trying he feels comfortable with, that way he feels like he has some control over it.

My DH is like that and that worked for him. When that time passed, I went into a depression. DH asked me what was wrong and I told him we had reached the sixth month mark TTCing. I told him I was trying to let go but I was struggling. He finally saw how much this means to me and now will keep trying for as long as it takes. He still freaks out about having three kids, but he likes having frequent sex.

FX and [emoji120] for you!


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[XXforhubby]

Grace- your attempt was great! I am Xing everything that you caught the egg! I sure hope this is your month honey [emoji8]!


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[sageviolet]

xx, I think the acupuncture increased my sex drive, too. Fun!

girliedreamz, FX for you!

essnce, big *hugs*. Hope you can talk and work things out. Let him explain his side to you and hopefully he'll be willing to listen to your side!

HealthyGirl, it's not over until af shows! Your hormone levels that the test picks up don't start until implantation and then they double every 48 hours. I think most tests need a level of of 20 or 25 to show. The First Response Early Response (FRER) is more sensitive than most and shows early for many ladies.

dreamofpink, I love your avatar! We plan to homeschool.

maiden, yes, wanting kids was a dealbreaker for me. I met dh online and wouldn't even look at profiles that said no. If you don't mind older men, I've noticed they seem to hit middle age (near 40) and regret not having kids. My dh is not that much older than me, but I know two single men who are older and would love to find the right person and start baby making. One is divorced and already raised a child as a single father, and just wants to do it again with a good partner. I share all this because I don't know exactly what your pickiness is about, but I encourage you to give the older and divorced men a chance, things I wasn't open to initially. And ironically after I opened myself up to be willing to go on first dates with such men, I finally met dh who was young and never married, and most important of all, wanted to start a family right away. Please don't put up with abuse from your df, I agree you deserve better!

My update: Cm frustrations again yesterday evening. How do I know if it's leftovers from bding the night before or my own cm? I usually can tell by smell. I know about the float test, but there wasn't enough for that, which makes me think maybe it was mine. But it was very stretchy, which makes me think his since mine hasn't been so stretchy but his is. I decided we should bd anyway just incase, but my hopes are down because I think my body just isn't ready.

I started looking at "The Infertility Cure" book and she says it typically takes 3 months of her approach to get things in balance for a bfp. The main components are acupuncture/acupressure, diet, and herbs. There's a long list of symptoms to try and diagnose what might be out of balance and which techniques are especially effective for that. It even explains how conditions relate to different parts of your cycle from the Chinese medicine viewpoint. I think I have kidney yin deficiency. My acupuncturist wouldn't tell me anything about what she was doing when I asked in the past because we agree I over-analyze and it was best I not know, but I might run this idea past her to see if she agrees with what the book suggests one do for yin kidneys. I'm not going to get into the herbs without seeing a Chinese medicine practitioner, so we'll see how the acupuncture, relaxation, and diet work first, which will be a couple of months. Ttc is a lot of "hurry up and wait"!

[maidentomother]

Fx for you Grace!

sage, what's so annoying is that having kids young was part of our agreement when DH and I decided to marry, but then he kept delaying. Then he died. Still angry!

Online dating is great....except my written German is AWFUL. And reading-wise I'm not great either. I really need to work on those but I hate reading in German. Honestly it's my least fave language (I'm fluent in 5). I am totally okay with older men, and when I was younger it was my preference, but now I think I would prefer a younger man. I'm very picky about bodies....I only like very lean, slender men. Unfortunately most men in their 40s have at least a belly and I can't tolerate that. But if they are in good shape, I'm willing to consider men up to age 45. I'm pickiest about faces, I like very angular features and in particular noses. I'm a total nose snob. Also pale skin, no olive skin. Preferably light eyes. Voice and smell of skin are extremely important.

Personality-wise I like introverted, nerdy/geeky science/tech types best. They must be laid back bc I am so not. Artistic types are good too. Must be anti-government/libertarian. Must have a slightly silly sense of humour. Must be intellectual and love reading.

Bonuses but not required: beard, handy/good at fixing things/construction, eclectic taste in music, not cheerful, night owl, high sex drive, kinky/dominating in the bedroom, likes cats, loves food/is a foodie/not a picky eater, athletic, outdoorsy, large hands, blue/grey eyes, intact penis/foreskin, has never been divorced (I'm strongly anti-divorce), Jewish, into SF/Fantasy media.

Automatic deal breakers: fat, smoker, enjoys baseball or American football, weak chin/jaw line, bulbous nose, shorter than 5'7", has a dog, has a lisp, anxious/OCD personality.

I currently have an obsession with the pornstar James Deen. I would love to have his babies! His body and face and nose are perfect! I would prefer someone 6'4 or something but it's not a dealbreaker.

So yeah, if you know any appropriate man, either interested in a relationship or just donating sperm, please let me know! I am independently wealthy and I would be willing to fly a good candidate sperm donor to me.

sage, very stretchy means it's your CM. Semen liquidifies after about 15 minutes. I still think you are about to O any moment.

[XXforhubby]

Agreed on James Deen. Yummy!!


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[TaytumJ]

Maiden - that's awesome you know exactly what you want! Although unfortunately most of the men I know are definitely in your "deal breaker" column, it's nice to know exactly what you're looking for. Maybe if you're willing to fly someone out, check out an American/European online site? I once heard someone said, "I think it's crazy that out of the billions of people out there, your 'soul mate' lives in your hometown." Although this is totally DH and I, I do think there is some validity to it. There are so many people out there who do fit your criteria and wants - you shouldn't have to settle with DF if this round doesn't work out! Also, I'm going to look into YB! Thank you!

essence - I am so sorry about DH! That also makes me angry and sad for you, although hopefully it won't matter because your attempt will be the one that matters! Although that doesn't seem fair to me that this isn't a joint decision between the both of you. That should be part of marriage: compromise and communication. If he just did that out of the blue without consulting you, that would really upset me as well.

XX - I really hope you're going to O soon too! Hopefully all of us can be O buddies! I firmly believe that waiting to O is a million times more anxiety provoking than the 2WW. I HATE the waiting of O!

Of course, the one night I think I MIGHT O, I have a terrible nights sleep. CM was really slippery yesterday - so we BD'd last night and I went to bed around 10pm. Woke up at around 2am to the sound of the dog acting like he's going to puke. Took my temp out of curiosity because I woke up super hot and sweaty, but it was 97.18 (a converter online converted it to 97.88). Woke up again at 4:45 to the same sound, then at my regular 5:30 time to a temp of 97.74. Hopefully DH isn't too tired tonight and we can at least get in a try tonight and then see what happens tomorrow morning.

[LacePrincess]

hi ladies, joining the 2WW thread if y'all don't mind one more? :) I'd forgotten that there was a 2WW board!

So anywho, after the LONGEST FOLLICULAR PHASE EVER post FET, I finally O'ed a week ago on CD25. False surged 3 times, gah, most annoying week ever. Though the 2WW is worse for me mostly because of the headgames I play with myself. Plus I'm a big ball of anxious trying to sleep at night because I worry so much that the next morning's temp will suck. :( Mostly I want this first cycle to not have a cruddy LP, not expecting too much otherwise.

Maiden, my DH checks off most of your list, especially personality wise. ;) Well we do have a dog though. We have a lot in common in what we like in our guys, except I like mine clean shaven.

James Deen is delish. I also have the girliest girly crush ever on Jensen Ackles and Chris Pine.

[XXforhubby]

Welcome Lace! I have everything Xed and am [emoji120] this cycle brings a BFP for you! I agree that Jensen Ackles is super yummy! There is something about Chris Pines's lips that I don't like.

I sure hope to see more BFPs this month! Anyone waiting to test?


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[LacePrincess]

XX, maybe I should clarify I have a HUMONGOUS CRUSH on Chris Pine as James Kirk.

So really, I have a crush on Captain James Kirk, Reboot version. ;)

[maidentomother]

Taytum, you make some excellent points. The biggest issue is that I'm basically disabled due to my back (I can't sit or stand for long without pain) and I live in the woods outside a village in a rural area. Which is awesome bc it is my life dream to live in such a place. But it is NOT ideal for meeting people, particularly other intellectuals, and I'd need to drive 30-60 min to get to a city. Driving is particularly hard on my back. If I were not housebound by my pain, I would totally just travel around to European cities and work my charm/extroversion. I need a mobile chaise lounge or something.

Lace, your chart looks great! I've been stalking it. Want to loan me your DH? :D Btw, if it's not obvious, the personality aspects are not requirements/dealbreakers for just sperm donation. All I need in a sperm donor are the physical aspects, intelligence, and decentness (I.e. not a mega jerk or serial killer).

XX & Lace, so happy you share my appreciation of JD. He is literally the only attractive porn star I have ever seen. Not that I watch porn (though I am considering a membership to JD's site lol). Being able to get hard AND come on cue is just so perfect for TTC! I literally only discovered him last week.

I would totally have Jensen Ackles' babies, too. But I actually find Jared Padalecki more appealing. I think part of it is the characters they play on SPN plus Jared's voice & super height are hot.

Chris Pine, meh. I agree about his mouth. His nose isn't great either. ST is awesome though!

Btw, if any of you DO have a DH suitable to donate sperm, and you're okay with that (I'd love for my children to have more siblings, even half siblings on another continent), let me know. Seriously. Costs covered. I could freeze a bunch of sperm here at a local fertility clinic for multiple cycles.

[LacePrincess]

Hmm....I'll consider bequeathing hubby to you in my will? Can I do that? *looks shifty*

Well most guys in straight porn are dogs, but that's because straight porn is made for straight men for the most part. The viewer base isn't really looking at the men in straight porn. There are a lot more hot guys in gay porn. ;)

Jared Padelecki is WAY TOO TALL for me, LOL. But then I'm 5 feet tall, so hubby is just right being at 5'7". Any taller and I'd have a permanent crick in my neck.

And with Chris Pine it's the eyes for me, but then I've always loved piercing baby blues. I crushed on Luke Skywalker as a kid for heaven's sake! LOL

[Junie]

Maiden- Your list kills me :D Not cheerful made me LOL. I like big muscular guys, so different taste. I hope things work out that you get pregnant soon though with a person who fits your main criteria :)

[maidentomother]

LOL Lace! I agree the guys in gay porn are much hotter and I totally get why, but all the gay porn I've seen (admittedly very little) has men too muscular for me, in that clearly gym body way that I really dislike. I like some muscle but it's got to be very natural, not puffy/overly bulgy. The exception is biceps. Biceps can never be too big IMO. I think Hugh Jackman as Wolverine has an amazing body. Also most soccer players and surfers. I love broad shoulders. So Junie, our taste may overlap a bit. I also find Alcide from True Blood attractive though he gets a little TOO buff in later seasons.

I'm serious about not cheerful. I actually like slightly depressed men. Too happy is boring/annoying. All my serious relationships have been with mentally disordered men.

Oh and blue eyes have always been my favorite. I wish I had them myself, and I lost my virginity to a guy with beautiful sky blue eyes.

Based on some movies I watched tonight, I will add Christopher Egan and Jason Dohring as acceptable donor candidates. British accents are so hot!

Fx my temp spikes tomorrow.

[TaytumJ]

Hahaha I love strong jaw lines and men who are big and strong. DH is a mechanic so his hands are really strong too. Must be the whole "protective/strong" thing for me. So funny how people can have such opposite attractions, but no matter what, British accents will always be hot. [emoji6]

Had one of those rush-you-the-bathroom moments to find a lot of slippery! Lots of cramps though. Feels like pre-period cramps. I hope this means actual O and not just follicles being made. We'll find out tomorrow morning!


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[maidentomother]

Sounds promising Taytum! Mechanics are hot, too. I think every straight lady appreciates a strong jaw line!

The heating oil ran out overnight (or the furnace broke again, also possible) so I woke up freezing cold after 4 hours sleep. Of course this has to happen the day I'm hoping for a temp rise. :( I was hoping for a more substantial spike (98.4+). Guess I will BD again today if possible just in case. Bc it's so fun BDing in a freezing cold house!

[LacePrincess]

maiden, your temp jump looks pretty good to me! But then I run cold and I tend to have a slow rise. Gotta switch to vag temping next cycle, mouth temps are so erratic for me.

[TaytumJ]

I think your jump looks good too! It's a noticeable jump as well. I think given the jump and circumstances, I bet you still O'd! Yay! Like I said, I find being in the 2WW is so much better than waiting to O. I can keep my sanity a bit better than obsessive over it and waiting for it to happen. [emoji16] DH isn't a typical male "rabbit" so I always feel like I have to be really close to O before I begin to pin him down for daily BDing. Thankfully with the weekend we can have more opportunities but during the week it's tough.

Ugh. No real substantial jump today either. I don't think O has happened yet, even though it's going up from previous days. No intense cramps though today. I'll keep up with OPKs until positive or obvious jump! This is starting to look just like last month's chart...


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[XXforhubby]

I agree Lace. I switched to vag temping two cycles ago. Now that I my allergies are acting up, there is no way I could trust oral temping. It's interesting, my vag temps are a full degree higher than my oral temps!


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[sageviolet]

Maiden, sounds like you can do some targeted visualizing! If you have the funds, I suggest you try a sperm bank. You could totally shop for the traits you want. I know you said you like to see the person. Maybe they could show you a video? Or maybe they have special donors who are willing to meet? It doesn't hurt to ask and look into it. Honestly I'm wondering why you want df's genes in your offspring since he's been so difficult to deal with. How much of personality is hereditary? Environment is a big factor and providing a loving home is great, but you're still going to have some underlying personality factors. Anyway, you complain about getting older, so maybe it's time to try a different tactic and do a donor with iui or ivf? That's my 2 cents. Best wishes for whatever you choose! lol at the mobile chase lounge -- How about a cruise ship?

Good to see you again, LacePrincess! So what are your best ttc a boy tips for those of us trying to sway blue?

Taytum, sounds like you're gearing up for a good o, hang in there!

I should be starting the 2ww now, but no crosshairs from ff yet. So I'll probably wait to test on March 17th -- hope to catch a little leprechaun, lol!

[LacePrincess]

Good to see you again, LacePrincess! So what are your best ttc a boy tips for those of us trying to sway blue?


I should be starting the 2ww now, but no crosshairs from ff yet. So I'll probably wait to test on March 17th -- hope to catch a little leprechaun, lol!

Thanks for the welcome!

Hmm, blue sway tips....ok worry about everything. Obsess, obsess, obsess. ;) Be super anal about your whole sway. Be competitive as heck about EVERYTHING, bring out your inner type A! Eat oatmeal, cereal, lots of meat, quite a bit of takeout burgers! Exercise a little bit but not too much, and being a bit overweight helps too. Eat red meat and lots of healthy fish, snack lots. :D Develop an anxiety disorder? Ok that one might be going too far, LOL.

Hey and my DS1's bday is on March 17, so maybe that'll be a lucky blue day for you?

[maidentomother]

Lace, I definitely recommend vaginal temping! I find it so much more impervious to external factors. Your chart continues to look gorgeous!

Taytum, I know how you feel. Bc of the whole situation with DF especially, I'm so anxious until I'm SURE I've Oed bc I don't want to miss O or have my one attempt be poorly timed. Plus since I O late but have a short LP, waiting to O takes twice as long as the wait for AF. Would you say your libido is higher than DH's or is he just stressed during the week?

I was REALLY hoping to see your temp spike today, darn. Are you still getting lots of fertile CM?

I checked my cervix this morning right before BD and it felt lower, firm and closed & my CM is definitely drying up, so I think I most likely did O, but BDed again anyway just after 10am. That makes me feel better in case my temp is off. Even with the cold house, my temp could be artificially high from lack of sleep. Time to take a little nap snuggled next to the space heater...

[LacePrincess]

Thanks maiden! I'm pretty used to good looking charts that fall off a cliff by 9-10DPO, so meh, totally not getting hopeful, far too early yet. ;)

I usually do temp vaginally, don't know why I didn't this cycle. I think because my post-FET AF was sooooooo bad that I was just icked out by the thought even after AF was tapering off. I will switch for the next time though.

Yay for O signs!! Sounding good for you....my CP is usually the first and most reliable sign of O for me though it's not a sure thing it's pretty reliable.

[TaytumJ]

LacePrincess: thanks for the blue sway tips! I feel like I have the obsession thing down pat! ;) I need to eat more red meat - we eat a lot of chicken and pork. I love red meat, just seems like with DH's diet and until it's grilling season we eat more light meat. But, I'll work on it! I agree too your chart has a great climb! FX for you!

Maiden: It's kind of crazy how reassuring BDing is when it's close to O. Then you can almost give a sigh of relief and go about regular business. I feel so anxious when BDing close to O. I definitely think yours is a good temp spike and shows O clearly. Now on to the 2WW!

I think I probably have more libido than DH; he's just always so stressed out and tired after work during the week. And with me finishing my master's I have class at nights or a lot of homework so we're both usually pretty beat during the week. On the weekends we always are able to get more in, but obviously O doesn't always fall on the weekends haha.

CM still seems pretty slippery, but moving back to creamy. Today I have more intense, sharp on/off cramps just on the right side. We'll probably take tonight off, but hopefully get one in tomorrow and Sunday. Do you think it could just be a slow rise?

[XXforhubby]

My experience with slow rise charts is O is often delayed. I would keep BDing until you get that nice rise.


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[XXforhubby]

FX and [emoji120]that there are more BFPs soon that way the ladies with BFPs can give me some leftover baby dust- I need all the help I can get [emoji6]!


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[smarston3]

Hi ladies, hope everyone is hanging in there. I really hope our group gets a ton of BFPs and DG's will be icing on the cake. Went to the RE this morning for follow up clomid use. I have 4 on my right ovary and none on my left. Going back on Monday for rescan/BW. If I get a +OPK before then, need to decide if we'll attempt. So, I'm assuming that the most we would end up with is quads??


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[LacePrincess]

Hi ladies, hope everyone is hanging in there. I really hope our group gets a ton of BFPs and DG's will be icing on the cake. Went to the RE this morning for follow up clomid use. I have 4 on my right ovary and none on my left. Going back on Monday for rescan/BW. If I get a +OPK before then, need to decide if we'll attempt. So, I'm assuming that the most we would end up with is quads??


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Yikes, you REALLY DON'T want to risk higher order multiples!! The consequences are pretty risky.

And I'm glad you're getting monitored but don't you have instructions from your RE? Most are pretty cautious when it comes to risking multiples and I would think if you actually had all 4 that looked like they were ovulating they'd be telling you NOT to attempt, it's too dangerous. Though most likely what will happen is your follies will self-reduce so only 1-2 are really mature to ovulate.

[smarston3]

just spoke to RE again because she got my blood work back. she said only one follicle is big enough to ovulate at this point. but, my estrogen level is high and can "support" all of the follicles. wants me back on monday to resize

[LacePrincess]

just spoke to RE again because she got my blood work back. she said only one follicle is big enough to ovulate at this point. but, my estrogen level is high and can "support" all of the follicles. wants me back on monday to resize

Ah, so just one is 'ready' then. :)

Sounds like she doesn't think you'll O over the weekend, but I hope you got instructions from her on what to do if you do get a +OPK.

[smarston3]

she said only one is big enough right now to ovulate.. i said "so i get quads" and she said nooooo! so, she is definitely concerned about that. will rescan monday to see what the other ones do

[smarston3]

Ah, so just one is 'ready' then. :)

Sounds like she doesn't think you'll O over the weekend, but I hope you got instructions from her on what to do if you do get a +OPK.

exactly, my LH level is no where near high. so, you're right. doesn't think i'll get a +OPK over the weekend but doesn't want me to miss it waiting until monday. so, i'm to continue testing until then

[djmommy]

OK so what do you all think. I have not been temping because I need a break. We are bd every 3 days and I planned on an attempt at pos opk. This was yesterday. It didn't look positive to me so we didn't bd. I usually get some ewcm and a dark positive, nada yet. I am CD 10 today and usually O CD 11-13, but nothing seems normal anymore. I also had an hsg done CD 6. Am I too late? We will bd tonight. 24084

[smarston3]

I would think that's a positive but I'm not great at reading them. Interested to see what the other gals think


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[maidentomother]

sage, I have to meet any potential sperm donors in person, so I can smell them. I believe it's crucial for immune health. I for sure couldn't use donor sperm here in Germany as they don't give it to single women. Maybe in Czech? It's possible I'll become desperate enough that a video ofcthe donor would suffice. I guess we'll see.

I truly think DF and I bring out the worst in each other. But he is an anxious/paranoid type and that I worry about being a hereditary, since I know it is on my side, wnd his mom definitely has an anxiety disorder.. When we first met DF was a super sweet guy but I admit he's always had abusive tendencies, at least towards me. I don't think he has with other women, though. Anyway...I think nurture goes a very long way and if DF continues to act badly he will only see his kid(s) once a year, and he knows that. But regardless I will try very hard to find someone for next cycle, via online dating as you suggested. I haven't tried that but I think that might be better. At least there will be pictures! I do believe in love at almost first sight, I knew within an hour with my late DH.

Lace, my charts are the same, usually promising right up until before AF, sometimes with no temp drop as warning. But I'm still hopeful for you! My cervix is also my most reliable sign, both in determining O in advance and hindsight.

Taytum, it really is an incomparable feeling of relief! As for slow rises...I don't really believe in them, or rather I think they're rare, but even a slow rise would have more rise than your recent temps, unfortunately. And as XX said, I often see what looks like a slow rise initially but ends up being delayed O, including in my own charts.

XX, how close are your OPKs to positive?

smarston, what CD are you? I think it is unlikely all 4 follies or even most will actually O, as others have said.

dj, that looks ALMOST positive. Are your positives usually blaring or not so much? You still have time to O so I'd stick to every 3 days until you see a definite positive, which I think will likely be tomorrow or the day after at the latest.

[LacePrincess]

djmommy....not quite but 75% or so? Took me about 36 hours to go from what you have to an actual positive.

Though I do find the cheapie tests annoying because the dye isn't always even. Like on my +OPK only the left half of the line was 'as dark' as the control, so it was positive but the entire thickness of the line wasn't the same so it was a bit irritating.

[LacePrincess]

maiden, I learnt a long time ago not to believe ANYTHING in the 2WW, lol!! Right now I'm looking forward to Monday because it will be JUNK FOOD BINGE DAY. Yeah!! So no matter what I'm getting pizza and fried chicken and poutine and sushi. :D

[djmommy]

djmommy....not quite but 75% or so? Took me about 36 hours to go from what you have to an actual positive.

Though I do find the cheapie tests annoying because the dye isn't always even. Like on my +OPK only the left half of the line was 'as dark' as the control, so it was positive but the entire thickness of the line wasn't the same so it was a bit irritating.

That is what I thought too. Usually when I get a positive, it comes up right away and I can tell and say, oh yea that is positive. Sometimes the cheapies can be super frustrating but I guess that is why they are cheap...haha
We will bd tonight and I will keep testing and temp! Really didn't want to but will to try and confirm O. Thank you.

[smarston3]

maiden, I learnt a long time ago not to believe ANYTHING in the 2WW, lol!! Right now I'm looking forward to Monday because it will be JUNK FOOD BINGE DAY. Yeah!! So no matter what I'm getting pizza and fried chicken and poutine and sushi. :D

Jealous! Sounds yummy!


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[sageviolet]

Sounds like something fun to look forward to, Lace!

You ladies almost have me convinced I should start tracking cp. I've read about how to do it, I just can't get over the ick factor. If you've never done it before, when it the best time to do it first, in the 2ww or right after af?

Maiden, I'm sure you can find the right person. It's an odds game. Dating was hard since I tend to be so shy. I heard about the woman who challenged herself to go on 100 first dates, so I committed myself to initiate contact with at least 5 ppl per week with the online dating. If they wrote back, we chatted awhile via email then phone. If it went well, we'd try meeting in person. I think I only made it to 8 in-person dates, plus one who stood me up (said he couldn't find our meeting spot, ha! instant disqualification). And one of those ended up being dh. It was not love at first sight for either of us, but there's no doubt we're soulmates. It was sort of gradually revealed how very much we have in common on deeper levels and how we approach the world, stuff that you wouldn't grasp from a simple profile anyway. I encourage you to be open and go out there kissing frogs, so to speak! Even if he's not the one, you can learn more about what you do and don't want. That's how I got through dates I didn't like, I tried to always look at it as valuable anyway and figured I might as well find a way to have a good time. I ought to take my own advice and use that approach to bfn cycles, lol.

[LacePrincess]

sage, the CP is the easiest to find when it's in its infertile state, which is low and firm. It can get harder to identify when it's softer since the cervix blends into the surrounding tissue, and if you're not sure what you're looking for it can be hard to identify. So my vote is for the week right after AF. For me in the 2WW even though I'm obviously infertile, my CP is soft and closed, so it can blend into the vaginal walls more.

Nothing icky about it! Besides, in TTC, there is no such thing, LOL. If you can insert a tampon you can handle this. Just make sure your nails are very short and and your hands are clean of course. The easiest is probably in the shower, though of course then it's hard to tell what the CM is like if you're standing in the shower.

[XXforhubby]

Almost positive DJMommy!

Maiden- I am getting almost positives on my Wondfos so I should get a positive opk sometime within the next 2-3 days.

Lace- I have a cheat meal once a week and a complete cheat day the first day of AF. Enjoy!!



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[TaytumJ]

Do you guys find that your OPKs gradually get darker or they basically go from nothing to wham positive?! This is my first month using Wondfos so not sure what to expect.

And so I can stop obsessing over slow rises?! Haha. OPKs have gotten a lot lighter so I think it's still a week out. Which sucks since we'll be on vacation Thursday-Sunday next week and sharing a hotel room. [emoji15][emoji16] hopefully we can still sneak away if O hasn't come!


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[XXforhubby]

Wondfo opks fade in from light to dark.

We had risky sex when ttcing DS1. We BD in between DH's Aunt's visitation and the funeral [emoji15]. The US dated conception on that day!

Do what you gotta do- just don't get caught [emoji6]!


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[sc1411]

Joining the group, 2WW for me also:)

[XXforhubby]

Welcome sc1411! FX and GL you caught the egg!

Are you swaying boy or girl?


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[sc1411]

Thanks XX!

I'm swaying boy. Hope I did it right, I got pos OPK in the evening, couple of days ago, so we dtd that evening, next morning and next evening. Before the last evening attempt I had terrible cramping and stomach and back pain. I think it was ovulation or conception? Have no idea. I think it was enough, we dtd before every other day. Just paranoid if i had enough attempts for a boy, LOL:)

[LacePrincess]

Thanks XX!

I'm swaying boy. Hope I did it right, I got pos OPK in the evening, couple of days ago, so we dtd that evening, next morning and next evening. Before the last evening attempt I had terrible cramping and stomach and back pain. I think it was ovulation or conception? Have no idea. I think it was enough, we dtd before every other day. Just paranoid if i had enough attempts for a boy, LOL:)

Welcome!

LOL I think you've BD'ed enough, definitely! And the cramping would be ovulation related, you can't feel conception and implantation wouldn't occur till quite a few days later.

[maidentomother]

sage, I agree with Lace, start checking your cervix when AF ends. I don't find it gross at all but then my dad was an obgyn! Even just one cycle of checking your cervix daily will teach you a lot. Plus it's easier for those of us who haven't given birth. DEFINITELY keep your nails short, at least on one middle finger (I have small hands so it's the only finger that reaches when my cervix is high). When you check your cervix you will sometimes feel EWCM at the opening despite seeing none when you wipe, so that is helpful info too.

I totally agree about dating being an odds game (though I also believe strongly in fate), and I would be dating up a storm if it weren't for my physical limitations/where I live. Though I definitely already know EXACTLY what I like/want so I don't think I'd learn much more in that regard. I was pretty slutty in college and my 20s and I have always been very decisive.

Unfortunately I don't think we can learn much from BFN cycles since usually the reasons are beyond our control. It would be nice to know why exactly though.

Taytum, Wondfo OPKs almost always show progression for me but occasionally I have cycles where my OPK darkens out of the blue. Who will you be sharing the hotel room with? Like a suite with multiple bedrooms?

sc1411, welcome! How many DPO are you exactly? I agree the cramping etc is likely due to O, conception can't be felt. You definitely BDed enough for a boy, great job!

Ladies, I woke up this morning and my temp was 100.58! I checked twice! At first I thought it was from sleeping next to a spacs heater but it quickly became apparent that I am actually sick. Super congested, sore throat, headache, all over body aches plus obviously fever. I manually adjusted the temp but I know I can't really know what my temp would be. I didn't want to discard bc that could affect my cross hairs. Of course I get unreliable temps on 1 & 2DPO, the worst time ever! Plus I've had pretty strong R O pain today. So who knows when I Oed for sure. At least I BDed again, very happy about that now!

I haven't felt this sick since I had Lyme's the summer before last. Before then, I had the worst case of stomach flu right around O last time I got pregnant in Feb 2012. I'm hoping it will help me get pg again!

[sc1411]

Thanks for your support, ladies!
pos OPK was earlier than I expected,
I'm 2 DPO now:)

[XXforhubby]

sc1411- good job with the Bding! FX for a blue bundle for you!

Maiden- I have good vibes
this cycle for you. There is something I can't quite put my finger on, but I wouldn't be surprised if you will get your BFP this cycle or next!

AFM- still waiting for positive opk. Acupuncture is definitely balancing out my hormones. I haven't felt this peaceful or relaxed ever!! I'm glad that I won't ovulate so early like last cycle so I have a decent lining built up.


I am excited to see more BFPs soon! If everything goes well, we should see an explosion of them, since there are a lot of us cycling together!


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[LacePrincess]

maiden, boo on being sick. :( We've had yet another cold going around our house...ugh dance studios are just petri dishes with all the barres and such that you don't have a choice about touching. Ugh so tired of this winter!!

sc1411 - whoohoo! That is always a pleasant surprise!

[XXforhubby]

Beautiful chart Lace! I'm Xing everything for you!


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[maidentomother]

sc1411, yay we are O buddies! Will you test early or wait until AF is late? I will test on 12DPO (March 18th) since I have an RE appt that same afternoon so I need to know before going in...I guess I will cancel if I'm pg?

XX, thank you, I REALLY hope you're right. I think your increased EWCM/more days of fertile CM and Oing later are great signs of yoiur hormones returning to optimal levels. Good work on the regular BD!

Lace, I really agree about your chart, your temps are definitely higher than usual, fx! I truly don't know how I got sick since I rarely leave the house especially lately...I guess I got something at the grocery store ealier this week? Or maybe 10 days ago when I hung out briefly with a few friends. I DO hate this time of year. And yeah, barres must help transmit viruses with the porous wood, even if they were wiped down regularly.

Feeling a little less awful, I think my fever broke, but I'm losing my voice which sucks. I napped a lot and will sleep more now, hopefully I feel better in the am. I have zero appetite, I had to force myself to eat and everything was tasteless, a sure sign I'm truly sick...I had juice, soup, and a raw fruit & nut bar.

Do you think it's okay to take sudafed for my congestion & throat? How about ibuprofen?

[LacePrincess]

Thanks ladies. :) Of course I hope so but symptom spotting in the 2WW is a short trip to crazyland for me, LOL. Too many times of having my heart broken with false hope in the past. So I try real hard to assume I'll be moving onto the next cycle, I get very tired of that horrible crestfallen feeling. I'm cynical huh? ;)

Maiden, ibuprofen is a big no-no (interferes with implantation) but not sure about Sudafed. If you're worried about it a cup of hot water with lemon and a spoonful of honey has always worked just as well as those Cold remedy formulas for me.

[sc1411]

Maiden, awesome! Yes, I will test early:)
I also heard that ibuprofen is a bad idea while TTC. Maybe try some hot tea instead.
I'm not an expert, but I think being sick during ovulation sways pink:fx:

[djmommy]

Maiden I am sorry you are sick. Hoping it passes quickly for you and you get your beautiful BFP soon.

Lace your chart really looks amazing!

XX I am so glad to hear that acupuncture is going so great for you. If I make it to the next cycle (ugh) I am giving it a try.

I am still waiting for my positive opk as well. They keep going dark and light, I am so confused. I started temping today and still in pre O range so I will continue bd every 3 days and using opks. I am CD 11 today. I usually have fertile cm by now but Nada! Hoping I am making a good egg and great lining.
Good luck to everyone this cycle. Can't wait to see all the beautiful lines! FX FX

[XXforhubby]

Maiden- I hope you feel better soon! After all that you have been through this cycle, I pray you get a BFP!

DJMommy- looks like we are cycle buddies! I am a day behind you, CD10, and I am waiting for positive opk too! We are BDing every 2-3 days. I have a hard time telling DH no on the weekends! At this point, as long as it doesn't end up being every other day, I don't care!

FX we see more BFPs soon!!


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[maidentomother]

dj, sounds like a good plan! That's what I aimed for this cycle.

Ladies I just woke up before 6 am (so 4-5 hours sleep) bc I was having awful chills, pretty sure my fever is going back up (see my latest temp, 99.68, not adjusted). Also I have completely lost my voice. My throat is KILLING me. Keep in mind I am on continuous high dose opiates so if I can feel the throat pain so badly despite that it's really bad. I'm afraid I have strep (I've had the bad kind severely a few times) bc that's the only time I get such a severe sore throat.

Since the house has no heat at the moment I'm not very inclined to leave bed to go make tea. Also drinking is hella painful so I'm dehydrated. I did try sudafed but I don't think it helped. I just want Monday to come so I can go to the dr!

[LacePrincess]

maiden - yuck strep! :( I'm sorry you feel so poorly. I hope you can get lots of rest today. Does honey not help?

[djmommy]

Oh Maiden I am so sorry. Praying for you to get better quickly.

[sc1411]

Maiden, hope you will get better soon.

[XXforhubby]

Maiden- that stinks! I hope you get well soon. Monday can't come soon enough! Too bad there isn't a walk in clinic or an urgent care facility so you could get diagnosed and antibiotics.

If you do get out of bed, make a pot of tea and put it in a thermos, if you have one, and keep it by your bed. That way you won't have to keep getting up to get hot liquids. DH always does that when he gets Strep. Unfortunately for him, the boys and I are carriers so we only get mild sore throats at best or postnasal drips, but everyone else gets Strep. I've learned to take our temps when we have mild throat irritation- if we have a temp we will get others sick.

Hang in there honey!!!


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[TaytumJ]

So sorry to see you're sick, Maiden! I was just going to say, you may have strep, as I always spike a temp, throat is so sore and it comes on quickly. I hope you get to feeling better soon and you make it to a doctor!

Xx: I'm starting to think I need to try acupuncture to start relaxing or balancing hormones. So frustrated right now! [emoji17]

Lace: Your chart looks awesome! Loving the upward motion!

Temp hasn't done much the past few days. Still some on and off right ovary pain which makes me think that either I haven't O'd yet, or I have and I have low progesterone, hence low temps after dip. I don't know, but both scenarios make me want to cry right now. Just so frustrated since we began TTC in October with four months anovulatory, last month a chemical, and now this frustrating cycle. Just...ugh.

Okay, pity party over. Gotta keep moving on!


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[XXforhubby]

TaytumJ- hugs! I'm so sorry you have to go through this! As someone who has been struggling to conceive, cycle 9 now, I feel no one should have to go through this!

It can take a bit after a chemical for your body to conceive. I feel the body needs a cycle to recover in order to restore fertility. When we were trying for DS2, it took two cycles after a chemical to conceive.

There is still hope! I am [emoji120]for you and sending blue dust your way! [emoji8][emoji92][emoji843][emoji170][emoji843][emoji94]


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[TaytumJ]

Thanks, XX! Trying not to be so hard on myself, but since none of this has been "normal" since going off BC I just feel lost. Of course then, I seem to find a million things to google online about it and when I'm done I'm convinced I have PCOS, endometriosis, or something else. I need to just let go of it all and leave it to a higher being.

Update on pity party: this was my 12:30 OPK today. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/08/d04544c28b4357555b971a6b7328f612.jpg

Maybe in a few days? All hope isn't lost?


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[maidentomother]

Lace, I found some lemon honey drops (hard candy with real honey soft center) also the same type of drops but with elderberry juice/extract, and those have been helping. I even regained my voice! I know menthol drops would be even better but I hate the flavour and there's only one brand here I tolerate, but I don't know where to buy it. Plus so much is closed on the weekends here, basically everything.

XX, there are NO walk in or urgent care facilities open on the weekend here. Maybe in Berlin or Munich? But not near me, I've looked and asked extensively. Just the emergency room but they won't deal with non life threatening cases. It is super annoying. So much being closed on the weekends, especially Sundays (which are like Christmas in the US, only gas stations and restaurants open), as well as the really limited Dr's hours (only open until noon on Wed and Fri) drive me nuts. Also even in big cities, most restaurants/kitchens close very early, like 9pm. It is by far the thing I hate most about living here. And I'm extra spoiled bc of my time living in Manhattan.

I have a tiny thermos and a tiny teapot that each hold like 1.5 cups of liquid, so not worth it. It's also very difficult to find glasses/mugs that aren't tiny, same with teapots and thermos. And cereal spoons don't exist here. They only have ginormous soup spoons and tiny sugar spoobs, nothing in between. Also the pillows and sheet sizes here are terrible. The former are too big (80x80cm) and the latter too small (they're actually duvet covers, true sheets being almost impossible to find, and they are much too wide and too short (on a 100x200cm mattress, the duvet cover is 135×170cm or something like that)). IDIOT GERMAN SIZING!

Taytum, I am 100% positive you haven't Oed yet. But that OPK looks promising, is it your darkest so far?

I have been even sicker today. My neck is super tense, swollen and achey. For most of the day I had one of the worst headaches ever. My whole forehead felt like it was being hammered and across my cheekbones was very tender due to sinus pressure, and I had migraine pressure behind both eyes. Yesterday I had a headache too (since I woke up sick/feverish I've had a permaheadache, it just varies in severity) and I took 400mg ibuprofen accidentally (DF brought it to me instead of aspirin) and I think that's why I was feeling better last evening. I forced down liquids and upped my opiates and that seemed to help, though it took a few hours. I even managed to eat a little, not happily.

I hope it's strep so that antibiotics will fix it! I can't imagine feeling like this for much longer. The exposure/manifestation time line for strep matches up with when I last went out. Thank you all SO much for the well wishes and listening to me vent! I don't get sick very often but when I do I usually get VERY sick.

[smarston3]

Oh Maiden, i'm so sorry you're so sick. wish there was something we could do..but, we can keep you company while you are laying in bed :).

so, i've been using Wondfo OPK's with the green handles..haven't ever seen a + in two months. i'm concerned that maybe i have knock offs and they don't work. can anybody suggest another brand? going into RE tomorrow for BW/scan. today is day 12. took clomid 3-7. so, i was expecting to see an almost + today. any thoughts?

[sageviolet]

Sounds good, sc1411, hope you caught a blue one! I'm also swaying blue and o'ed about when you did with that lovely full moon. When are you planning to test?

Maiden, sorry to hear your sick. At least it sways girl, right? Get well soon! That's very interesting about the different sizes they have there for common items.

Lace, do your boys do dance or do you? I've got my dd started on classes, although we haven't been there for awhile due to snow.

djmommy and Taytum, I'm also doing acupuncture and recommend it!

Something different this cycle for the 2ww, my chest hasn't been as sore but my thighs are. It's like the skin is sensitive. I had this in puberty and I think around when ppaf started, so I know it's related to off balance hormones. Hopefully they're flowing better since the acupuncture and will go the right way soon. "The Infertility Cure" book says it takes at least 3 months. How long have you been getting acupuncture, XX?

Another oddity: My temp was exactly to the hundredths the same yesterday and today despite the time change.

[maidentomother]

Thanks smarston! I greatly appreciate the company.

Unfortunately yes, the green handled 'Wondfo' OPKs are indeed rip offs/fakes, and they are less sensitive, much lower quality (I dipped 4 sticks into the same urine and all the test lines looked different). If you got yours of amazon you should be able to get a refund. If you re-order more, make sure the seller has a medical sounding name. Also order from the Wondfo supplier with the most reviews/purchases. The best OPK brands you can buy in stores are FRER and CB digitals (NOT the Advanced). DollarTree OPKs are a bit sensitive but if you're having issues getting positives they might work well for you. Did you get true positive OPKs before 2 months ago? With which brand? How dark was the darkest OPK you got last month (test line % darkness of control line)? What time of day do you test?

I hope you see a nice big follie at your scan tomorrow. What CD do you usually O around?

[maidentomother]

sage, unfortunately I think only being sick at least a week before O sways pink. My symptoms appeared abruptly 2 days after O. I am hoping though that maybe being so sick will help with implantation.

I think you probably Oed on CD15 so we are O buddies or almost! (I think it's possible I Oed on CD19.) Looking at your cycle last month, if you Oed on CD14 your 1&2DPO temps were almost as flat. Except this cycle your initial temp shift is more dramatic, which I think is good.That is weird about your thighs. I wouldn't assume it's a bad sign, maybe it's a response to higher hormone levels and is actually a good sign?

[LacePrincess]

Lace, do your boys do dance or do you? I've got my dd started on classes, although we haven't been there for awhile due to snow.

Another oddity: My temp was exactly to the hundredths the same yesterday and today despite the time change.

Two of my boys dance, DS2 and DS3. DS2 started a preprofessional ballet school this year (the kind you audition for, ours has a 7 year program), so proud of him! I'm a ballet dancer too though obviously at my age just recreational, lol. We're all dancing at the same school since the school has adult ballet classes too.

DS3 is just in pre-ballet/creative movement for now, we'll see in a few years if he's interested enough to join the prepro program, he's a bit too young to tell if he'll stick with it.

And yeah my temp was fine too despite the time change....and FF says to just ignore the time shift and temp at your usual time anyways. I think it really matters more how many hours straight you sleep than anything else.

[maidentomother]

Totally agree that a good chunk of deep sleep matters more than temping at the exact same time! I temp at widely different times every day (so in my chart, the open circles mean I didn't sleep well, or I slept a lot more or less than usual, or I went into withdrawal from my meds, or I'm sick). Despite that I think my temps are pretty reliable.

[smarston3]

Maiden, first time ever using OPK and I have never saw a +..shame about the wondfos but thanks for the info! Just bought a FRER kit..try to get some rest!


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[sc1411]

Sageviolet,
yes I did O during the fool moon, planning to test in the end of the next week:)

[maidentomother]

smarston, some women (myself included) don't ever or very rarely get positive OPKs. In 4 years of using 3 American brands and half a dozen European ones, I've only had 2 true positive OPKs. But I've learned what 'my positive' looks like - about 75-90% as dark as the control line, depending on the brand.

Honestly though I've had more luck with CB Advanced Digital OPK (when used very, very methodically), bc OPKs often don't give me enough warning to catch O with just one attempt. With the CBAD I get 4 days of High, then my Peak, and O the day after I Peak.

[smarston3]

Thanks maiden! Hoping that my bloodwork tomorrow will give me some idea when I should get a positive. My RE is fully aware of my swaying and how we're attempting at positive surge. Hopefully, she'll let me know tomorrow when we think that will be. Got a negative on FRER this evening. Have to say, I like the POAS better then peeing in a cup! Hope you can get to a doctor tomorrow!


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[TaytumJ]

Maiden: that's crazy about the doctors there! Definitely get some antibiotics when you can - strep is nothing to mess around with! And yes, that's about as dark and I've seen them. It was that dark yesterday afternoon, last night, and this afternoon when I took the picture, but today around 6pm when I took one it was a lot lighter. Really hoping that's a good sign? DH and I BD'd today too, so I am really hoping for a temp rise.

I woke up this morning at my regular time regardless of the temp change! I guess that means tomorrow I'll have to see what the temp is, since tomorrow will be an adjustment.

Also, has anyone heard anything about egg quality O'ing after cd20? I'm thinking if no temp rise by next Monday I'll make another appt to check progesterone levels and see what OB recommends.

EDIT: okay, large drop today (even after waking up an hour/half earlier to check the time). Hoping for a rise/positive OPK soon! And in my dream last night I had a little boy! [emoji4]

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[LacePrincess]

Taytum, fx for a temp rise today!

Well this cycle's done then. Boooo. Big humongous temp drop and spotting already. Bah my LP is still sh!t at 9 days then, which pisses me the HELL off but it's been a super wonky weird cycle with the first one off meds so I'm not gonna freak out too much about it.

I doubt we had a great egg this month with the multiple false surges to even O, not a strong O at all really. A few things I am happy about - my LP temps were awesome! I've NEVER gotten such high temps ever, I looked back at all my previous charts and my LP temps were higher than all of them, including the pregnancy charts. This is especially impressive since I temped orally this cycle, and in past charts most of them were vag temps. Well disappointing of course, but that's probably good news from a progesterone production front.

The other thing I'm pleased about is that I didn't get the drops in temps I usually do the 1-2 days before AF shows up. So again, that's a plus on signs my progesterone levels should be good. But if the prog is good, why is my LP so crap still? I'm not pleased about THAT.

Thirdly, no PMS. I'm usually a BEAR in the 1-2 days before AF. And no bitchiness or rage this time. So that's got to be good right? I was a bit prone to tears for the whole LP but I didn't get the RAGE BITCH mode I usually do. DH is happy about that, and I assume that it means my prog was at good levels since I thought it's usually plunging prog that causes PMS. No other PMS symptoms either - no bloat and water retention I usually get, I usually ALWAYS go up 1-2 water lbs and this time I was losing weight all through the weekend.

So some positives to come away with but disappointing of course. At least I can have coffee today, I was avoiding caff in the 2ww just in case. And of course today is JUNK FOOD BINGE DAY! Yeeehaw!

[Junie]

Good luck to everyone testing soon! Sorry to those whose cycles seem to be ending in a BFN. I'm just waiting to O.

[sageviolet]

Taytum, fx for a temp rise today!

Well this cycle's done then. Boooo. Big humongous temp drop and spotting already. Bah my LP is still sh!t at 9 days then, which pisses me the HELL off but it's been a super wonky weird cycle with the first one off meds so I'm not gonna freak out too much about it.

I doubt we had a great egg this month with the multiple false surges to even O, not a strong O at all really. A few things I am happy about - my LP temps were awesome! I've NEVER gotten such high temps ever, I looked back at all my previous charts and my LP temps were higher than all of them, including the pregnancy charts. This is especially impressive since I temped orally this cycle, and in past charts most of them were vag temps. Well disappointing of course, but that's probably good news from a progesterone production front.

The other thing I'm pleased about is that I didn't get the drops in temps I usually do the 1-2 days before AF shows up. So again, that's a plus on signs my progesterone levels should be good. But if the prog is good, why is my LP so crap still? I'm not pleased about THAT.

Thirdly, no PMS. I'm usually a BEAR in the 1-2 days before AF. And no bitchiness or rage this time. So that's got to be good right? I was a bit prone to tears for the whole LP but I didn't get the RAGE BITCH mode I usually do. DH is happy about that, and I assume that it means my prog was at good levels since I thought it's usually plunging prog that causes PMS. No other PMS symptoms either - no bloat and water retention I usually get, I usually ALWAYS go up 1-2 water lbs and this time I was losing weight all through the weekend.

So some positives to come away with but disappointing of course. At least I can have coffee today, I was avoiding caff in the 2ww just in case. And of course today is JUNK FOOD BINGE DAY! Yeeehaw!

Are you sure it isn't implantation???!!! 9dpo is the average day for that and it sure sounds like you have all the symptoms!

[LacePrincess]

Are you sure it isn't implantation???!!! 9dpo is the average day for that and it sure sounds like you have all the symptoms!

Uh yeah I'm sure, LOL. Alas I've had plenty of TTC cycles with the exact same, plus my CP is opening up so that's 100% not implantation.

The only good thing about having a cruddy LP is that moving on is faster, and I've conceived twice with an 8-10 day LP so it's not stopping me from conceiving, but I do blame my crap LP for taking longer to conceive every time. It means I only conceive when the embie implants at the latest at 7dpo. Sigh. At least Metformin seems to have made my prog levels better but I'm disappointed my LP was only 9 days again. So frustrating.

[XXforhubby]

Sage- this is my third cycle getting acupuncture. I may stop at the end of this cycle and also stop using opks and temping too. If this cycle ends with a BFN, I think we may just BD every 3-4 days and just go about our lives. I feel if we are meant to have another child, we will be blessed with one. For the past several cycles we have had great timing. I know my average follicular phase, luteal phase, and period length. You know the old saying ," a watched pot never boils". That is how I feel doing all of this. I am at peace with things and am ready to move on.

Lace- I'm so sorry about this cycle [emoji20]. I am glad that the Metformin is helping things and hope that next cycle is it for you!!

FX to the ladies waiting! I hope to see more BFPs!


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[maudster]

Great! I am pretty sure that is what I am using…I am getting a positive around when I think I would O, wait 2 days then test again and get a negative? I got these ones…

Amazon.com: Combo 50 (LH) Ovulation & 20 (HCG) Pregnancy Test Strips (1): Industrial & Scientific (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0026995KO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

I guess I will buy the digi and test with both to know if they are working??

[TaytumJ]

Lace: That's super crummy about your cycle! It looked so great with the temp rise, too! Is there anything you can take to help lengthen the LP? Vitex? I'm definitely no expert, but it does seem like I've heard of women lengthening LP using it. I love that you're positive about it!

XX: I've thought the same thing, too. This charting is literally giving me anxiety. I need to just let it go - it is interesting though since I don't really know what my body is doing and last month was the first time I've actually O'd since off BC in October. But I really love your outlook on it!

[LacePrincess]

Thanks everyone. :) Meh I'm ok, it's never taken us less than 5+ cycles to get preggo so used to it taking awhile.

Taytum, I've tried Vitex and all manners of B vits before but it never did anything but mess up things worse. In my case with my PCO tendencies if my LP is cruddy it likely means my O is weak leading to a cruddy LP. So the short LP is a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. As I said I've had two successful pregnancies and I've always had a really short LP, so in my case I'm not really too concerned that the LP itself is going to cause issues.

If anything it's a late O that concerns me more, because that usually means my body is having difficulty getting an egg to mature and ovulate and has to 'keep trying'. This cycle obviously shouldn't be the norm, so the next one should be more illustrative to how the Metformin is helping my cyle, if it is. I'll have to wait and see!

[smarston3]

Lace-augh. how frustrating! hope next cycle is perfect for you!

Maiden-hope you got to the doctor today!

so, just had my ultrasound. i have 4 follicles that look like they are ready. i will get my BW around lunchtime. RE thinks we will probably have to ditch this cycle and do 25mg clomid next cycle. my issue is, the women on this site that have used clomid without monitoring haven't ended up with multiples. so, is the diet/exercise, lower sperm count stuff causing not all the eggs to ovulate/fertilize?? just thinking out loud and bummed. due to due date/timing, we won't be attempting again until june. depressing to think that i have to continue all these sway tactics for at least another 3 months. I know that could happen anyway, just terrible to know that it will definitely take that long...if that makes sense

[LacePrincess]

Lace-augh. how frustrating! hope next cycle is perfect for you!

Maiden-hope you got to the doctor today!

so, just had my ultrasound. i have 4 follicles that look like they are ready. i will get my BW around lunchtime. RE thinks we will probably have to ditch this cycle and do 25mg clomid next cycle. my issue is, the women on this site that have used clomid without monitoring haven't ended up with multiples. so, is the diet/exercise, lower sperm count stuff causing not all the eggs to ovulate/fertilize?? just thinking out loud and bummed. due to due date/timing, we won't be attempting again until june. depressing to think that i have to continue all these sway tactics for at least another 3 months. I know that could happen anyway, just terrible to know that it will definitely take that long...if that makes sense

Boo, limbo sucks. :( Sorry that you're not looking like you'll get a chance this month.

I have no experience with Clomid so hope someone else knows more!

Limbo definitely sucks, I know. Bfn sucks when you have a whole bunch of them in a row, but gosh all those months during our HT attempts when I was stuck not doing ANYTHING was truly sucktastic so I know how you feel. :( I do think you should ease up on the LE diet though, especially if you're gonna get Clomid. Are you at least doing the fertility LE diet? Because the regular one for so long won't help your fertility.

[TaytumJ]

Thanks everyone. :) Meh I'm ok, it's never taken us less than 5+ cycles to get preggo so used to it taking awhile.

Taytum, I've tried Vitex and all manners of B vits before but it never did anything but mess up things worse. In my case with my PCO tendencies if my LP is cruddy it likely means my O is weak leading to a cruddy LP. So the short LP is a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. As I said I've had two successful pregnancies and I've always had a really short LP, so in my case I'm not really too concerned that the LP itself is going to cause issues.

If anything it's a late O that concerns me more, because that usually means my body is having difficulty getting an egg to mature and ovulate and has to 'keep trying'. This cycle obviously shouldn't be the norm, so the next one should be more illustrative to how the Metformin is helping my cyle, if it is. I'll have to wait and see!

This sounds exactly like mine I feel like. It looks like my body tried to O, but didn't really get the job done. I'm hoping it can within a day or so and then still have a chance. I didn't have a clear temp rise last cycle until CD35. This cycle looks a little more promising at CD 21 with CM, R ovary cramping, etc. Did you conceive naturally with your previous two pregnancies? During my annuals my GP would say that it felt like I had a cyst, but not to worry as that's natural. On a u/s done in January she said there was one cyst on my L ovary, but I seem to have ovulated from my R this month and last. But there aren't many cysts as I've heard comes with PCOS? I've only been on BC since October so I'm trying not to be too hard on myself, I just hate the unknown.

[smarston3]

ok just got my BW back

my estrogen is 2026
progestrone 1.19 LH 18.9

so, i'm at risk for multiples but RE is more concerned that we missed the surge and i would get a boy. their suggestion is to forgo this cycle, since we missed timing. still do clomid next cycle but monitor me more closely to not miss the surge. what's frustrating is, i tested all weekend and didn't get anything close to a +. Also, we DTD on saturday but protected because i didn't want to mess up the one attempt. if anyone has an insight, i would love to hear it. also, should i PM Atomic with this info? again, if i would have not been monitored, would i even know this is a problem and had our attempt tonight? also, have to decide about timing. do i risk having another xmas baby and hope it's a girl?

Lace-i don't know how you do it. i do think that waiting to ovulate is worse then the 2WW. at least with the 2WW, its out of your control at this point.

[XXforhubby]

Smarston- I don't have experience with Clomid, but I have lots with being in limbo. Hang in there! I agree with Lace, and I would switch to Atomic's fertility diet since you will be on it so long before your next attempt.

TaytumJ- I sure hope you O soon! Hang in there! It took my body a bit to normalize after stopping BC a few years back. It will happen!

I haven't gotten a positive opk, but my temps show I may have Oed 3 days ago. This has never happened to me! I'm not sure what to make of it, but we BDed well so we will see. For some reason I'm not feeling it this cycle, but what do I know [emoji6]! I am having a hard time not snacking and have had an increase in appetite for the past 2 days. Progesterone production? Strict exercise + Yoga? Who knows! I am over it already!


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[LacePrincess]

ok just got my BW back

my estrogen is 2026
progestrone 1.19 LH 18.9

so, i'm at risk for multiples but RE is more concerned that we missed the surge and i would get a boy. their suggestion is to forgo this cycle, since we missed timing. still do clomid next cycle but monitor me more closely to not miss the surge. what's frustrating is, i tested all weekend and didn't get anything close to a +. Also, we DTD on saturday but protected because i didn't want to mess up the one attempt. if anyone has an insight, i would love to hear it. also, should i PM Atomic with this info? again, if i would have not been monitored, would i even know this is a problem and had our attempt tonight? also, have to decide about timing. do i risk having another xmas baby and hope it's a girl?

Lace-i don't know how you do it. i do think that waiting to ovulate is worse then the 2WW. at least with the 2WW, its out of your control at this point.


Not getting a +OPK doesn't mean you didn't O, might've missed the surge or maybe the OPK didn't work for you. Really, that's why CP charting is so useful!!

I've already given up on the one attempt thing....with my very unpredictable O it was driving me bonkers. We've already switched to bd'ing every 3-4 days because from my personal past history I just can't get preggo if we bd more than 36 hours out from O.

Hah and are you kidding, waiting to O is the easy part for me, BECAUSE I have control and can do something besides waiting around! The 2ww is the WORST for me exactly because there's nothing I can do but wait. And obsess. UGGGGGH.

[LacePrincess]

Smarston- I don't have experience with Clomid, but I have lots with being in limbo. Hang in there! I agree with Lace, and I would switch to Atomic's fertility diet since you will be on it so long before your next attempt.

TaytumJ- I sure hope you O soon! Hang in there! It took my body a bit to normalize after stopping BC a few years back. It will happen!

I haven't gotten a positive opk, but my temps show I may have Oed 3 days ago. This has never happened to me! I'm not sure what to make of it, but we BDed well so we will see. For some reason I'm not feeling it this cycle, but what do I know [emoji6]! I am having a hard time not snacking and have had an increase in appetite for the past 2 days. Progesterone production? Strict exercise + Yoga? Who knows! I am over it already!


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Oh, the munchies are TOOOOOTALLY a progesterone thing. I had it SO bad! LOL! Once I O'ed I was like EAT ALL THE THINGS all the time. Awful trying to stick to LE when you're so hungry!

[smarston3]

just another thought...is RE thinking i missed timing for a girl because he believe's shettles? i consulted with him back in January for IVF/PGD. so, when he was on the phone just now, he says, "you had a great response to the clomid so we could do IVF without much meds"....is he money hungry? again...just thinking out loud

[LacePrincess]

just another thought...is RE thinking i missed timing for a girl because he believe's shettles? i consulted with him back in January for IVF/PGD. so, when he was on the phone just now, he says, "you had a great response to the clomid so we could do IVF without much meds"....is he money hungry? again...just thinking out loud

Well Shettles has been totally debunked. And I'm envious you actually told your RE about swaying!!! Outside of HT I've never heard of an RE that puts any credence into sway theory.

[smarston3]

so yeah, that's their concern, that i missed the timing for a girl...because i'm starting to surge and we should have DTD before the surge..but, haven't "we" "proved" that's not the case? oh girls, don't know what to do. and i need to get my thoughts together before i talk to DH.

[LacePrincess]

so yeah, that's their concern, that i missed the timing for a girl...because i'm starting to surge and we should have DTD before the surge..but, haven't "we" "proved" that's not the case? oh girls, don't know what to do. and i need to get my thoughts together before i talk to DH.

Uhm. That would be Shettles cutoff and it's a MYTH! It doesn't work and girl sperm do not swim slower than boy sperm. At all. Your RE is seriously out of date if he thinks that works, because it doesn't!!

Diet and lifestyle are #1 on the sway. Ignore all the cutoff stuff because it doesn't work at all. Bd'ing you should aim for one attempt at +OPK, but if that's getting too difficult just BD every 3-4 days throughout the fertile period and you'll be fine.

[smarston3]

Uhm. That would be Shettles cutoff and it's a MYTH! It doesn't work and girl sperm do not swim slower than boy sperm. At all. Your RE is seriously out of date if he thinks that works, because it doesn't!!

Diet and lifestyle are #1 on the sway. Ignore all the cutoff stuff because it doesn't work at all. Bd'ing you should aim for one attempt at +OPK, but if that's getting too difficult just BD every 3-4 days throughout the fertile period and you'll be fine.

thanks lace!! I truly appreciate everyone's thoughts. my friend (the RE PA) knows exactly what i'm doing and why, how long etc. once she asked the RE(guy i consulted with) is when she said he thought based on my numbers that i am starting to surge TODAY and we should have attempted YESTERDAY because he thinks we need to attempt BEFORE the surge...

[LacePrincess]

thanks lace!! I truly appreciate everyone's thoughts. my friend (the RE PA) knows exactly what i'm doing and why, how long etc. once she asked the RE(guy i consulted with) is when she said he thought based on my numbers that i am starting to surge TODAY and we should have attempted YESTERDAY because he thinks we need to attempt BEFORE the surge...

Nope. ;)

First, unless you have fortune telling skills, how in the world can you attempt *before* the surge?!? Not even blood tests and U/S monitoring at the RE can tell you when you will surge with any reliable accuracy.

So let's say you nail it and attempted the day before the surge. Then the next day you get a +OPK. But, think about it.....your actual ovulation takes place anywhere from 35-48 hours AFTER the +OPK. So that means your bd attempt may end up being as much as 72 hours before the egg arrives. For many of us that's too long and results in nil chance of any sperm left still alive. For me I can't even catch the egg if I BD more than 36 hours out.

In any case there is no point in using cutoffs because Shettles has been disproven over and over again. So it's all moot anyways.

[XXforhubby]

I would BD tonight Smarston! If you are surging, it is like BDing at positive opk, and that is when we BD! Then I would BD again in 3-4 days in case it took the egg a bit to release after your surge.

FX that you catch the egg!!!


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[smarston3]

I would BD tonight Smarston! If you are surging, it is like BDing at positive opk, and that is when we BD! Then I would BD again in 3-4 days in case it took the egg a bit to release after your surge.

FX that you catch the egg!!!


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thank you! i think that's what we are going to do. i just talked to DH about everything (including everyone's suggestions/info here) he's going to think about it and make a decision tonight. He didn't like the RE when we consulted with him, so his opinion is, he's a quack. Also, even if we follow the RE's advise about timing, we still might get a boy.

[LacePrincess]

thank you! i think that's what we are going to do. i just talked to DH about everything (including everyone's suggestions/info here) he's going to think about it and make a decision tonight. He didn't like the RE when we consulted with him, so his opinion is, he's a quack. Also, even if we follow the RE's advise about timing, we still might get a boy.

Well no matter what you do with swaying you *might* still get a boy. ;)

I agree with XX, you need to go for it tonight!

[djmommy]

Smarston- I don't have experience with Clomid, but I have lots with being in limbo. Hang in there! I agree with Lace, and I would switch to Atomic's fertility diet since you will be on it so long before your next attempt.

TaytumJ- I sure hope you O soon! Hang in there! It took my body a bit to normalize after stopping BC a few years back. It will happen!

I haven't gotten a positive opk, but my temps show I may have Oed 3 days ago. This has never happened to me! I'm not sure what to make of it, but we BDed well so we will see. For some reason I'm not feeling it this cycle, but what do I know [emoji6]! I am having a hard time not snacking and have had an increase in appetite for the past 2 days. Progesterone production? Strict exercise + Yoga? Who knows! I am over it already!


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This cycle is strange and annoying to me. I have no idea what is going on. I have not gotten a positive opk either (except the dark one I posted but that is not positive for me). Of course I haven't really temped so I have no clue if I O'd. I don't think I did as I have had no O pain and no CM but I guess it's possible. Seems like everytime I get excited I get shot down. My tubes are clear but no O yet in sight!!
XX your chart looks like you have possibly O'd. Guess it is wait and see. The waiting game!! LOL

[djmommy]

Maiden hope you are getting to the doctor today and on your way to getting better.

Lace, your temps were really great so that is definitely a good thing. Maybe your body needs to adjust for a bit.
Enjoy the cheat day!!! I am having a really hard time continuing on this diet. Cheat days are totally necessary.

[LacePrincess]

djmommy - sorry about the frustrating cycle. Seems to be the month for it! Grrr.

yay cheat days! Yes the LE diet gets old fast. I do tend to eat the same things a lot but I need to change up my meals every few weeks or it's insanity inducing.

[smarston3]

Lace, please enjoy a cheat day for me too! After the stress of today, going to be hard to resist today


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[LacePrincess]

Lace, please enjoy a cheat day for me too! After the stress of today, going to be hard to resist today


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I will for sure! We're getting pizza and wings and poutine from one place, and sushi from the other. Mwuahaha!

And I always let myself have 'little' cheats everyday. I allow 350 cals for dessert so it gives me lots of leeway to have anything I want, and if I'm really craving something I shouldn't have I'll make it for the kids and 'steal' a bite or two. It gives me a taste without entirely blowing the day out of the water!

Gotta do what keeps you sane. :)

[sageviolet]

Still obsessing and researching. Here are some gems I found today that might be of interest:

This one says too much ewcm is a bad sign and it's good to keep bding as it dries up. I found some info - I should be a CM doctor LOL - Trying to conceive - MadeForMums Chat (http://www.madeformums.com/forum/trying-to-conceive/i-found-some-info---i-should-be-a-cm-doctor-lol/127195.html)

Very interesting about the middle of the article where it says how days of ewcm decrease with age. Is not having much cervical mucus a sign of a fertility problem? - BabyCentre (http://www.babycentre.co.uk/x561009/is-not-having-much-cervical-mucus-a-sign-of-a-fertility-problem)

Some dietary suggestions for improving cm. HOW TO INCREASE FERTILE SPERM FRIENDLY MUCUS (http://www.getpregnantover40.com/improving-cervical-mucus.htm)

How to identify fertile cm (because it could be egg white or watery) and negative towards the diet and supplement ideas. How to Identify and Improve Fertile Cervical Mucus (http://www.preseed.com/TTC-Blog/Your-TTC-partners-at-Pre-Seed/58/How-to-Identify-and-Improve-Fertile-Cervical-Mucus.aspx)

Anyone have time to read them and share thoughts?

[sageviolet]

Not visible until a moderator has approved? Did I do something wrong?

edit - Ok, I understand. It's probably because I included links. It was articles I found about cm. Hope you all get to see it eventually!

[LacePrincess]

sage, none of that is particularly new info about CM that's not fairly common knowledge already. :)

First, there's no such thing as 'too much' EWCM. All the link was saying is, if EWCM doesn't dry up then you haven't ovulated, which is true. Bd'ing through dry up is a good strategy for conceiving in general, but a lousy one for swaying pink. Bd'ing every other day then through dry up is how I got 3 boys!! So for pink you really can't do that. But then we all know that swaying pink drops fertility chances, which is kind of the whole sway theory in a nutshell.

Yes EWCM can reduce as you age but that's corresponding to how fertility drops as you age too. No surprise there. Mind you I had lots and lots of EWCM this past cycle, not just in # of days of EWCM but also in quantity. Not sure what's changed, but it's not a guarantee that you'll lose EWCM just because you're older. And a lot of times you might not even get enough to wipe but there IS still EWCM inside up in the cervix which is what counts. Which is why tracking CP/CM is so useful!

Increasing your CM through diet, etc. - good plan for swaying blue, not for swaying pink. ;)

PS. I deleted your duplicate post, hope you don't mind.

[TaytumJ]

I've wondered about CM the past few months. I am not even kidding - on BC I would actually get EWCM (back before I knew it was EWCM, ha), but now I only get "lube" like CM; it's not stretchy though, just really slippery. I'm always afraid this will be a factor in a blue sway. When I hit the big O though when BDing I do notice there is more stretchy CM though, so I'm hoping that's all that matters. I just always feel a little down that I don't get the good stuff all the time!

[LacePrincess]

I've wondered about CM the past few months. I am not even kidding - on BC I would actually get EWCM (back before I knew it was EWCM, ha), but now I only get "lube" like CM; it's not stretchy though, just really slippery. I'm always afraid this will be a factor in a blue sway. When I hit the big O though when BDing I do notice there is more stretchy CM though, so I'm hoping that's all that matters. I just always feel a little down that I don't get the good stuff all the time!

Taytum, are you checking internally? If there is some inside I wouldn't worry about it. For years I never got even enough to wipe, and I still have all boys.

Now if you can't find any even up in the cervix on +OPK day, I'd be a little concerned. You can try more water and Robitussin to start with and see if that helps. With getting a bit older too, and by that I mean older than 25 and not OLD, I noticed I'd only ever have one true day of EWCM and that was on +OPK day. And that was enough to net me 3 boys, so obviously didn't sway pink for me! Also I bd'ed a LOT, like every other day till +OPK and twice on +OPK day and twice the next day (which was usually O day). Frequency helps sway blue, clearly, and can overcome lack of good amounts of EWCM.

Slippery/watery is still considered fertile but not really ideal.

[TaytumJ]

I don't check internally like inside next to cervix, but I check on the outside before using the bathroom (if that makes sense?). Last month I got only one day of EWCM, but I wasn't doing OPKs, but it was about 8 days before AF. I'm wondering if I have a short luteal phase as well. That was on CD31 last month.

[XXforhubby]

TaytumJ- I really believe that it can take the body awhile to readjust once stopping BC. Don't give up! It may take a few cycles, or not!, but it will happen for you! I just know it!
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[LacePrincess]

Taytum, try checking inside. Even if you don't find your cervix or are icked out by touching the cervix, you can still feel just inside the vaginal walls and there can be a really big difference between what you find on the surface and what's inside the vaginal canal.

I've had months where I can't find any EWCM except right up by the cervix too.

And yes, it can take a bit to rebalance the hormones after bcp, so don't give up!

[TaytumJ]

I'll begin checking internally! Thanks for the support, ladies. I think it's just frustrating when it seems like all of my friends walk by their DH's and get pregnant. I may have to take a break from here until I'm actually in the 2WW. Otherwise, I'm driving myself crazy, which isn't healthy or helping me either. I'll catch back up, soon! [emoji4] thanks for all of your love and support!


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[LacePrincess]

You gotta do what you need to do to stay sane! TTC can eat your whole life so easily, especially with living life two weeks at a time...waiting to O, then waiting to test, then waiting for AF, and it can get soul sucking and just plain depressing at times. Hard to keep a perspective too.

And gosh, I've been there. I used to be on birth boards on Babycenter, and boy oh boy lemme tell ya, when the ladies you first cycled with not only conceived but actually HAD their babies and you were still trying and trying.....it gets damned depressing. :(

So yeah, for sure do what you need to do so you don't end up wrapping your life around TTC, it's not worth your happiness and contentment for sure!

[maidentomother]

smarston, I HATE peeing in cups. The mid****** tests are way better! I am surprised to hear you have 4 big follies...did she give you exact measurements? Unfortunately, you absolutely cannot assume a surge based on LH levels without knowing your baseline LH. I personally don't think you've surged but will very soon. Also, while it's cool your RE supports swaying, I immediately lost all respect for her on hearing she believes Shettles, and WORSE, recommends it, especially considering she should know how bad cut offs are for odds of conception.

In your shoes, I would attempt once at positive OPK (not before!) and just do everything possible (BD once, DH hot bath, Sylk lube, RePhresh, J&D) to reduce sperm count. I will also be waiting until June/July if I don't conceive next cycle, and I hated the wait last year too.

Taytum, there is no evidence suggesting that late O = bad eggs, and many a healthy baby has resulted from a CD100 O date. This obnoxious rumour started bc in some IVF/medicated cycles, late O can (but even then doesn't always) mean reduced quality. The same does not apply to natural cycles.

Lace, I'm so sorry AF came. I know how you feel about great LP temps/short LP bc I have the same thing, always have. It is frustrating but I always figured it's just how my body rolls, since my hormones are all great. I agree the only good thing about a short LP is not having to wait so long to know. But i don't necessarily agree that onky 7DPO or earlier embies implant; I think in cycles that we conceive, our hormones are higher from early own and effectively extend our LPs in those months. At least, I think that's what happens to me, bc I always conceived so fast/eadily. It could be different for you. Enjoy your junk food binge!

maudster, I hope the Wondfos you bought have light blue handles, not gren handles, otherwise they're fakes. You should buy from the Formosa Medical seller, NOT any of the other sellers on amazon.

[Junie]

Trying to catch up

smarston3- I would definitely BD yesterday and in 3-4 days :)

djmommy- I had to start temping again just because I can get so many positive OPK surges in one cycle and temps are the only thing which can really confirm O for me. I hope O comes soon for you!

Sage- I'm liking your chart!

Taytum- I wouldn't worry too much about CM. Some women never realize they have EWCM - I normally only notice it externally once in a cycle. I also wouldn't worry about cycle length yet. The first cycles coming off birth control can be a bit crazy unfortunately but it doesn't necessarily mean anything. If you O soon you are still in a totally normal O timeframe. Here is to hoping you O soon :)

Maiden- Your chart looks great and your timing was spot on!

Lace- I'm sorry your last cycle didn't work out, and your LP issues. I can imagine that is really frustrating, but as you say it still got you pregnant in the past so it should again.

AFM- I think O is coming soon. I've never O'd before CD16 and my OPK was pretty dark today, and should be positive tomorrow I think. Although it could be an early surge, we'll see if my temps go up or not in a few days. We BD yesterday and I think we will Thursday again as well, depending on what OPKs and CM do. At this point I'm barely swaying and just want to get pregnant. I don't think I can do only 1 attempt but I will try for at least not BD EOD.