Soy isoflavones significantly reduced DHT levels and increased testosterone levels.

[XXdreaming]

For one...what?? Lol I have no clue what the heck is difference between dht and testosterone? But anyways someone with more intelligence can explain why they say soy iso.. increasese testosterone I thought it helped lower it?

http://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com/2009/05/soy-isoflavones-reduce-dht-increase.html

[Princess of Pink]

All I know is that Soy Iso sways boy...high testosterone sways boy... so maybe it's true???

[zanacal]

Lol, I can't claim to understand it either, but have you read this?:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1881-Super-Soy-for-a-girl-or-a-boy!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you for sharing!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

DHT is just when regular old testosterone binds with an enzyme and turns into SUPERtestosterone. DHT is responsible for things like baldness, acne, and some of the other major downsides of testosterone.

So what I took away from that study is that soy is interfering somehow in the process that turns regular testosterone into DHT.

I still think that soy is great for a pink sway. Actually, even more so, because this study shows how such a mechanism might help with a pink sway. If you're lowering testosterone all together through diet and lifestyle factors (as you should be) and you then added soy, the available testosterone (already reduced in quantity) would be less likely to be converted into DHT and since it's DHT that seems to be enabling at least some of the physical manifestations of testosterone, it may be that less DHT = more girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrotestosterone
http://www.belgraviacentre.com/blog/what-is-dht/

[XXdreaming]

Lol, I can't claim to understand it either, but have you read this?:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1881-Super-Soy-for-a-girl-or-a-boy!

Yes I have, a very good article , still trying under all the big words lol I figure if I read it enough I might understand it lol

[zanacal]

Yes I have, a very good article , still trying under all the big words lol I figure if I read it enough I might understand it lol

Lol, yes me too!

[zanacal]

DHT is just when regular old testosterone binds with an enzyme and turns into SUPERtestosterone. DHT is responsible for things like baldness, acne, and some of the other major downsides of testosterone.

So what I took away from that study is that soy is interfering somehow in the process that turns regular testosterone into DHT.

I still think that soy is great for a pink sway. Actually, even more so, because this study shows how such a mechanism might help with a pink sway. If you're lowering testosterone all together through diet and lifestyle factors (as you should be) and you then added soy, the available testosterone (already reduced in quantity) would be less likely to be converted into DHT and since it's DHT that seems to be enabling at least some of the physical manifestations of testosterone, it may be that less DHT = more girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrotestosterone
http://www.belgraviacentre.com/blog/what-is-dht/

Atomic, do you know of many who included soy in their sway and whether they conceived boys or girls? How about the other herbs we take for hormones - Saw P and Vitex - if you were going to include soy would it be instead of those things?

[zanacal]

Atomic, do you know of many who included soy in their sway and whether they conceived boys or girls? How about the other herbs we take for hormones - Saw P and Vitex - if you were going to include soy would it be instead of those things?

Don't worry, I re-read the soy sticky and got answers there :D

[XXdreaming]

DHT is just when regular old testosterone binds with an enzyme and turns into SUPERtestosterone. DHT is responsible for things like baldness, acne, and some of the other major downsides of testosterone.

So what I took away from that study is that soy is interfering somehow in the process that turns regular testosterone into DHT.

I still think that soy is great for a pink sway. Actually, even more so, because this study shows how such a mechanism might help with a pink sway. If you're lowering testosterone all together through diet and lifestyle factors (as you should be) and you then added soy, the available testosterone (already reduced in quantity) would be less likely to be converted into DHT and since it's DHT that seems to be enabling at least some of the physical manifestations of testosterone, it may be that less DHT = more girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrotestosterone
http://www.belgraviacentre.com/blog/what-is-dht/

Thank you! Now THAT makes sense lol, I hope its all right because I really want to hyperovulate and hope for twins but didn't want to screw my girl sway up to much lol

[Flava]

All I know is i took a LOT of soy isoflavones with DD4 so no way I touch that thing ever again!

[XXdreaming]

All I know is i took a LOT of soy isoflavones with DD4 so no way I touch that thing ever again!

Lol now that makes me feel better! I know I probably won't get twins I searched google and only found like 6 of them that claimed it worked, searched the ttctwins,com and all their twins were clomid twins, but I just gotta try lol

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic, do you know of many who included soy in their sway and whether they conceived boys or girls? How about the other herbs we take for hormones - Saw P and Vitex - if you were going to include soy would it be instead of those things?

Not enough pink swayers took soy - most of them are scared off by its status as a traditional boy sway supp.

But I keep coming back to vegetarians and vegans having way more girls, KWIM??

[zanacal]

Yes, I've become very well aquainted with the veggie aisles in the supermarket (which are ridiculously small with very limited options I now know!) and it's pretty difficult to avoid soy!

I think I read once that you think Quorn sways blue. Did I remember right?

http://www.quorn.co.uk/About-Quorn/

http://www.mycoprotein.org/what_is_mycoprotein/vitamins_minerals.html

[zanacal]

I had a Quorn ready-meal as a 'treat' tonight. I had a meatballs and spaghetti ready meal and while it was pretty high in protein (around 18g) I hardly ate any for the rest of the day so that was fine. It was also quite high in sodium (400mg) but, again, do-able with everything else I ate today. Unless there's an aspect of it which means I should avoid it like the plague, it makes a nice change to have every now and again in place of meat (the rest of the family had Shepherd's Pie and I chewed sugar free gum the whole time I was cooking - a good diversion tactic!).

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh I'm sorry, I read this last week and got interrupted before I could reply.

Quorn is high in protein and sodium but as long as you're not going over your totals for the day (reminder - shoot for 40-50 g protein, 1500-1800 cals, 700-1000 mg sodium)

[zanacal]

Thank you, that's good news :D

[momto4boyz]

Im not sure how I feel about Soy. I took it and got a boy as did a friend of mine.

[Lisap2008]

Oh is that why soy delayed my last cycle because my testosterone was too high ? or was it causing an estrogen imbalance?.
I have PCOS and high testosterone I already ovulate fine naturally but whenever I take anything to try and super ovulate it delays it and seems to mess it up.