Feeling discouraged

[Threelittlemen2013]

Last cycle I had spotting on both 8 and 9 dpo and ended that cycle with a 9 day LP. So this month I am on 200mg of progesterone. Today I am 8dpo and low and behold I am crampy, spotting red blood and extremely irritable/emotional. I have had a shorter LP since we started trying in December and both clomid and progesterone aren't fixing the issue. I have one month left on clomid and am feeling pretty discouraged that I may have messed up my cycles too much.

Since I am 38, I am not doing a hard sway. Just diet and exercise (eating roughly 1900 cal/day with 40-60 in fat and protein). However, my weight is now 104.6. Since, I am only 5'4", this brings my bmi to 17.8. I can't help but wonder if that is the cause. I am not sure what to do now.

[atomic sagebrush]

Up cals to 2000, up fat to 60.

But that having been said, don't count yourself out yet. Prog. can make you have weird symptoms and it is ABSOLUTELY possible to be pregnant even with red spotting at this point.

[Threelittlemen2013]

Up cals to 2000, up fat to 60.

But that having been said, don't count yourself out yet. Prog. can make you have weird symptoms and it is ABSOLUTELY possible to be pregnant even with red spotting at this point.

I wish that was the case. AF showed up this morning. 9 day LP. I am questioning if clomid is even good for me.

[djmommy]

I am sorry AF showed. Are you being monitored on clomid? I just turned 39 but did 2 cycles of clomid and feel it did nothing for me personally except mess things up. I was not being monitored so I don't really know for sure but I wouldn't take it again. Have you had any bloodwork to check out your hormones?

[Threelittlemen2013]

I am being monitored for a follicle study, but I haven't had any hormone tests while on it. I had my hormone levels tested prior to starting clomid.

Did you switch to anything else?

[atomic sagebrush]

A small minority of people have seemed to get shorter LP on Clomid, but I have never been able to figure out why that is or what is going on.

What I have seen happen several times is people who did not get pg on Clomid (usually because they were running super strict sways) who dropped it, got pg the very next month with a DD.

[djmommy]

I am being monitored for a follicle study, but I haven't had any hormone tests while on it. I had my hormone levels tested prior to starting clomid.

Did you switch to anything else?

No I have not switched to anything else. I have an appt on the 6th so we will see if she suggests anything else.

[Threelittlemen2013]

A small minority of people have seemed to get shorter LP on Clomid, but I have never been able to figure out why that is or what is going on.

What I have seen happen several times is people who did not get pg on Clomid (usually because they were running super strict sways) who dropped it, got pg the very next month with a DD.

I am leaning towards dropping it this month. I only have one refill left and it isn't worth it if it is just messing things up. I am waiting for the doctor to call me and see if I can try femera, possibly.

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

That's what I would suggest. GL - keep us posted.


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[Threelittlemen2013]

A small minority of people have seemed to get shorter LP on Clomid, but I have never been able to figure out why that is or what is going on.

What I have seen happen several times is people who did not get pg on Clomid (usually because they were running super strict sways) who dropped it, got pg the very next month with a DD.

Is it safe to go right from clomid to femera or would you take a month off?

[atomic sagebrush]

get the refill just in case and you can always take it later.

I think most docs would have you take a month off in between. But I would definitely TRY even in the off month.

[Threelittlemen2013]

get the refill just in case and you can always take it later.

I think most docs would have you take a month off in between. But I would definitely TRY even in the off month.

Oh, I would absoultely try regardless of what she decides!

[Threelittlemen2013]

Atomic, my doctor wants to cut me down to 25 mg this month and test my progesterone 5dpo. Is 25mg even worth trying?

I should add she wants to cut me to 25mg because I had 4, maybe 5 follicles last month on 50mg. I think this is because I switched to cd 3-7 vs 5-9 because of my short cycles, which she doesn't know.

After this coming month, she will try femera on me if Iam still unsuccessful.

Do you still recommend frequent bd on clomid? If so, how does that work?

[atomic sagebrush]

Under normal circumstances I don't recommend 25 BUT since you've been on Clomid so long, I think it actually may help. Maybe the 50 is just too much for you.

I answered the BD quesiton in a diff. thread.

[Threelittlemen2013]

This will only be my 3rd cycle on it. Is that really longer than most?

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

Under normal circumstances I don't recommend 25 BUT since you've been on Clomid so long, I think it actually may help. Maybe the 50 is just too much for you.

I answered the BD quesiton in a diff. thread.

I'm sorry I didn't catch that thread I don't think - is the frequency of BD different?


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[Threelittlemen2013]

She said it wasn't recommended as it didn't benefit a sway and would deplete sperm count. I am not 100% certain that what I saw in sways was truely fr bd. Many started around o-5 or o-3 and continued through O.

[atomic sagebrush]

This will only be my 3rd cycle on it. Is that really longer than most?

I wouldn't recommend it for someone just starting off on Clomid, but after a few cycles it starts to have a cumulative effect.

I write a lot of posts and don't always choose my words carefully enough, I should have written "as long as you have"

[atomic sagebrush]

She said it wasn't recommended as it didn't benefit a sway and would deplete sperm count. I am not 100% certain that what I saw in sways was truely fr bd. Many started around o-5 or o-3 and continued through O.

Guys, my time is severely limited so it really helps me if you guys do some of the legwork. I know it's a pita to take a few minutes to look up a post but its even more of a pita to me to have to take 20 minutes to answer a question I just answered. :/

Frequent BD thru O is starting after AF and BD every single day thru O and I DO NOT recommend that for Clomid because it depletes sperm count too much, although it can sway pink, it is not a good idea in this scenario because it does not help raise the odds of conception any, so you take the chance of several attempts (which may or may not matter, we honestly don't know) for no benefit to conception

What you're describing with the daily sex for a few days is NOT frequent BD thru O. What those people did is the worst idea which is having several attempts in the fertile window. 3 attempts in fertile window got 40% pink. While 4 attempts was a bit better I think that was a fluke (because most of the people who did that were on Clomid) and it is ALSO not going to necessarily help you conceive because O can be totally unpredictable on Clomid - you may O really super late and then that ends up being tons of attempts and DH could be shooting blanks by the time the egg shows.

Best odds of conception under any circumstances - SMEP If you are ready to get pg, do SMEP. Don't do frequent BD thru O or even plan for lots of attempts around O because you may O late!!

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

I'd have looked up myself - but didn't know what she called the post, or how to word it. Sorry. It piqued my curiosity and didn't really expect a full answer back.


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[purple]

I'd have looked up myself - but didn't know what she called the post, or how to word it. Sorry. It piqued my curiosity and didn't really expect a full answer back.

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I see you are on your phone so I'm not sure if you can do it using Tapatalk but if you can click on the other members forum name it has a link "View Forum Posts" and then you might be able to find the other post Atomic replied too :) Hope that helps (I need to try Tapatalk sometime to see what it is like, and if this is even possible!)

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

Yep that is pretty much it! Thank you, maybe I'll be a little lower maintenance now.


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[Threelittlemen2013]

Guys, my time is severely limited so it really helps me if you guys do some of the legwork. I know it's a pita to take a few minutes to look up a post but its even more of a pita to me to have to take 20 minutes to answer a question I just answered. :/

Frequent BD thru O is starting after AF and BD every single day thru O and I DO NOT recommend that for Clomid because it depletes sperm count too much, although it can sway pink, it is not a good idea in this scenario because it does not help raise the odds of conception any, so you take the chance of several attempts (which may or may not matter, we honestly don't know) for no benefit to conception

What you're describing with the daily sex for a few days is NOT frequent BD thru O. What those people did is the worst idea which is having several attempts in the fertile window. 3 attempts in fertile window got 40% pink. While 4 attempts was a bit better I think that was a fluke (because most of the people who did that were on Clomid) and it is ALSO not going to necessarily help you conceive because O can be totally unpredictable on Clomid - you may O really super late and then that ends up being tons of attempts and DH could be shooting blanks by the time the egg shows.

Best odds of conception under any circumstances - SMEP If you are ready to get pg, do SMEP. Don't do frequent BD thru O or even plan for lots of attempts around O because you may O late!!

Sorry if I wasn't clear with my original question and misused the term. The research I found prior to posting the question was confusing on my end because it was either from 2011 or because many of the sways posted don't go into the best detail. It wasn't my intention to have you answer the question twice.

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

Sorry if I wasn't clear with my original question and misused the term. The research I found prior to posting the question was confusing on my end because it was either from 2011 or because many of the sways posted don't go into the best detail. It wasn't my intention to have you answer the question twice.

I think that was my fault... I asked you to tell me what she said instead of searching on my own :(


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[atomic sagebrush]

It's nobody's fault, I was just trying to clarify because that day was really out of hand, should have been more patient really. :/

[atomic sagebrush]

i try to answer all questions in the forums to prevent the state of affairs on the other sites where there are so many unanswered questions. It just makes it easier on me when people meet me halfway, that's all. :)

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

You are so busy, and so helpful and we all appreciate that. Thank you.


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[Threelittlemen2013]

How do you all keep going? I am sure that clomid is making me more emotional these days, but I just feel like throwing in the towel. We are in our 5th cycle (3rd round of clomid), I have been exercising 6 days/1 hour for 18 weeks and doing some shape of the diet (not strict by any means) for a year now. We did 1 attempt the first 3 months and 3 attempts last month. Planning on every 4 days, plus 1 attempt at either opk or trigger shot this month. But even with that plan, I feel like it is a waste of time, if I am completely honest. I am 38 and have a low amh. I am burnt out and even starting to wonder what I am doing/why am I still trying when my cycles are so messed up from clomid. Yet, the desire for a dd makes me sad to decide to not give it one last shot.

Sorry, just heeded to vent to people who may understand.

[The Anchor]

Just wanted to pop in and say that I had what I thought was a 8 day LP but it turned out that I did not ovulate. I even got a +OPK. Clomid really backfired for me!

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

You guys have me second guessing Clomid - im waiting for my appt with the obgyn and was hoping to get it.


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[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

Three - you're where I'm nervous to be. I conceived so quick with all 4 of my boys, and just assumed that I would have noooo problem. It confirms that I'll be making my attempt asap regardless of length on the diet and cardio. I'm sorry you're going through this; but I think you're right to do every 4 days, or even every 3 as many ladies are doing. My heart is with you.


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[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

Anchor what else can be done about your lp?


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[Threelittlemen2013]

I started the diet last year to lose my baby weight for a wedding. Then I continured to skip breakfast, ate a small lunch and a decent dinner (meat included) from sept-jan. i didnt start back on the strickly until I knew clomid was a possibility. I have lost about 35 lbs ofer the year, but really should be 10 lbs. heavier to look healthy. i started evercising at the new year (before we decided to try in january) so I didnt add that in until right when we were going to try. it took me 3-4 months to conceive with all of my 3 boys, but something just feels different this time. I am sure it all the problems I am seeing with clomid. I am trying to decide if I should hang the towel after this month or give 2-3 months on femera.

[Threelittlemen2013]

Just wanted to pop in and say that I had what I thought was a 8 day LP but it turned out that I did not ovulate. I even got a +OPK. Clomid really backfired for me!

I am going in for bloodwork this month, so hopefully O is confirmed. It was confirmed prior to starting clomid. I did have an ultrasound on cd4 which showed all 4 follicles were gone. Not sure if that confirms anything though. Otherwise, the only confirmation I have since starting is by my temps increasing.

[djmommy]

I am sorry you are feeling this way but unfortunately I can totally relate. I have been TTC#3 for over a year, swaying for about 7. I turned 39 in January and also have low AMH. I took clomid unmonitored for about 2 cycles and it did not do anything good for me. I feel like it took me a while to get my cycles somewhat normal again. A lot of times I don't know where I get the strength to keep going but somehow I do. I have lots of mood swings and breakdowns along the way. I know that I want another baby to complete our family. I am swaying pink but would be happy with another beautiful boy!

[Threelittlemen2013]

I am sorry you are feeling this way but unfortunately I can totally relate. I have been TTC#3 for over a year, swaying for about 7. I turned 39 in January and also have low AMH. I took clomid unmonitored for about 2 cycles and it did not do anything good for me. I feel like it took me a while to get my cycles somewhat normal again. A lot of times I don't know where I get the strength to keep going but somehow I do. I have lots of mood swings and breakdowns along the way. I know that I want another baby to complete our family. I am swaying pink but would be happy with another beautiful boy!

What was your experience like with clomid? What dose did you take? How many months did it take you to regulate after stopping?

[maidentomother]

I think you should absolutely switch to Femara.

[djmommy]

What was your experience like with clomid? What dose did you take? How many months did it take you to regulate after stopping?

I took 50 mg 1st cycle day 3-7, next cycle day 5-9. It took a good 3 months or so to return to some what normal.. My cycles were wacky and I had lots of spotting too. Could be just a coincidence though but personally I won't take clomid again.

[Threelittlemen2013]

I took 50 mg 1st cycle day 3-7, next cycle day 5-9. It took a good 3 months or so to return to some what normal.. My cycles were wacky and I had lots of spotting too. Could be just a coincidence though but personally I won't take clomid again.

No, I have 3 refills left but I have decided this is my last cycle on it. It is making me crazy moody!

[atomic sagebrush]

I am not seeing any questions, so please let me know if you need anything answered. Sending tons of sticky dust to everybody!

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

I send to a long one the other day, but I know your busy xo


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[atomic sagebrush]

A PM or a question in this thread?

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

A pm


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[atomic sagebrush]

it sometimes takes me ages to get thru PM's. sorry....

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

I know hun - im grateful and patient too.


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