TTC a boy! HELP!!!

[Nann3r]

I am planning to try to conceive a boy at the end of this year. I just finished reading the shettles method!

I would love any more advice anybody has on trying to conceive a boy. As of right now though, I will be tracking my ovulation knowing that is the most important part. Along with this I plan on also doing the baking soda finger, the Robitussin, coffee for the hubby before the deed, the position, and the boy diet.

Another question I would like to add it is your opinion on finding out the gender while pregnant. I had a daughter first, and I love her more than anything in the world and I wouldn't trade her for the world. However I desperately wanted a boy first. I did deal with gender disappointment in fact I still do to this day on occasion. With our daughter, we found out gender early. It was hard.. But like I said I love her with everything that I am. However, I still dream of having my little boy.. Knowing what it feels like to find out early, I wonder if it would be easier to just wait to find out the gender for the next baby. Thoughts ?

[Dana-Alicia]

Hi and welcome! First: forget about Shettles, it's been debunked. It does not work. What does work is the HE diet (High Everything) extra supplements and Bd every other day. There is tons of info on this site, with great results. Good luck and blue dust to you!

[True Blue]

Yes totally forget shettles it doesn't work at all.

What we are doing here is HE diet for 6 weeks, supplements, weights, DTD every other day with 3-5 attempts from first +opk. So for example DTD the night of +opk, next morning & night & following night.

We are getting great results this way.

One attempt at +opk (shettles) is getting great results for GIRL swayers.

[Nann3r]

I am already doing the diet. And supplementing. But as far as shettles goes, the method you just described (waiting till the night of +opk or the next morning) is exactly what shettle's suggests for a boy too. He strongly recommends against dtd at the first +opk.

He actually encourages testing a second time when "practicing" to give you more information about ovulation so that you can try as late as you can after the first +opk without missing your window. (For a boy)

The only thing that has been disproven about the shettle's method is the life expectancy of sperm. They live about the same duration of time. The environment is what can help or hurt the sperm. Timing is important due to the fact that closer to the moment of ovulation is when the tract is more alkaline- which suits both x and y. It HAS been proven that the smaller Y (boy) sperm are faster. So if you wait till AFTER the first +opk at least 12 hours, the environment will be as alkaline as it will every be, giving the y sperm a better advantage.

Trust me I've been on forums and reading books and articles and experiences etc every day for two months now. (No joke very day.. At least once a day!!) I do trust the shettles method for a boy - waiting after first +opk. But I know there is so much more I can do!

[Adia]

I have a Shettles opposite, she is almost 7 years old and my little mini me!! Many of us with on this website have Shettles opposites.

Most of us who have had successful sways on this website came from multiple other websites where the success rates seem to be inflated or inaccurate. Many of us had opposites from those other methods that are sworn to work by many people.

At Gender Dreaming we do not focus on pH, timing, and or a few other super common swaying idea. Atomic Sagebrush has had a ph, timing, swaying opposite herself and developed the Gender Dreaming methods as a result of a lot of research and personal experience of many of us.

As of lately the Gender Dreaming methods are having phenomenal success with Atomic's theories, I am so blessed to be one of the successful sways and expecting a baby boy very soon after 3 girls!

We all know swaying will never be 100% successful. PGD/IVF is a better bet, but even then not a solid guarantee.

Atomic will create a personalized plan for you, as she has done for many of us for a fee, or you can find all the methods many of us have used for free on this website. Some forums may require that you be a Dream Member.

You should really do whatever you see fit for you and your circumstances. Those of us who have had several kids of the same gender and have been on swaying boards for years have some differing opinions mainly based on personal experience and years of research on both our part and Atomic.

Best of luck to you!

[Mulberry Smurf]

When I got my boys I was snacking between meals, for my first I was taking prenatal vitamins and used pre-seed, we also dtd every day after positive opk. try and get a couple of attempts in your fertile window and stay healthy :) good luck! xx

[atomic sagebrush]

timing doesn't work and most of us have 2-3-4 or more Shettles opposites to prove it. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

We got terrible results with baking soda finger and are no longer using it. (very low odds of conception and irritation/infection, for no better success rates than those who were not using it.) We are getting 75-80% for boys among those whose husbands are not smoking (and good results for smokers too but just not quite as high, more like 70% for smokers)

I personally wanted to know. I did not find out wiht my first two and liked it, but I did not have any really strong gender preference with them (actually I did want a boy with DS 1 but I got him). I'm really glad I found out with my 3rd because I think I would have been devastated at birth, since all the OWT and symptoms indicated he was a girl and I really thought that's what I was carrying. I found out with my 4th and 5th too because I worried I'd be disappointed at the birth.

[atomic sagebrush]

Actually, Nan, it has been DISproven by real live scientists that Y sperm are significantly smaller (they are just a teensy amount smaller and this does not equate to any different behavior) they aren't faster and live the exact same amount of time as X sperm do. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-and-scientific-research/1562-what-real-differences-between-x-sperm-y-sperm.html

I have researched swaying and read all the books and experiences every day since 2008. :) I got BOYS with Shettles girl timing and my girl with Shettles boy timing. there are hundreds of other ladies who will testify to having the same experience. Shettles just didn't work for us. Please read the "trouble with timing" essay because it is fully 110% known that Shettles was mistaken in what he thought he saw through his microscope and he's been dead for many years and he literally cannot look over the new evidence that has come to light since his death and revise his theory.

But, I'm not here to talk you into or out of any method that you believe in. The reason why I have people wait to start their attempts till night of positive OPK is so that way people can stay in line with Shettles timing for a boy if they so choose. That's cool if that's the way you want to do it. but it is IMPERATIVE that you don't stick to one attempt the way Shettles recommended. That has gotten us 70-75% for a girl regardless of the day of intercourse and you really harm your odds of success by sticking with one attempt.

Have an attempt that night (night of positive OPK) again the next morning, and then again the following night. Getting very good results for us. Good luck and blue dust!

[atomic sagebrush]

When I got my boys I was snacking between meals, for my first I was taking prenatal vitamins and used pre-seed, we also dtd every day after positive opk. try and get a couple of attempts in your fertile window and stay healthy :) good luck! xx

Thanks Mulberry - prenatal/good multivitamins have gotten 80% success for a boy! (and also many of our pink opposites were in people taking prenatals) If you do only one thing make it that!

[atomic sagebrush]

Also you may be interested in reading this essay about how it's unlikely that pH levels in and of themselves are really swaying. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

[Nann3r]

Also you may be interested in reading this essay about how it's unlikely that pH levels in and of themselves are really swaying. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html


I've read so many of your essays and I love them. I really do.. But if pH doesn't matter, and timing doesn't matter.. Then what does? Isn't the diet supposed to sway blue because it changes your pH?? Are the Y sperm still proven to be faster?

I'm at a loss now. /: I read the book and I was going to chart my ovulation by cm, temperature and ovulation kits. I was also going to change my diet to a saltier one with more potassium and red meats etc. I was also either going to do the egg white bad or preseed as well (I know you recommend preseed)

But now with all these comments I wonder what I should even do at all anymore:( I want my son bad but how do you know how to make the odds greatest? I really don't wanna mess up.. I know when it comes down to it, it's up to Mother Nature.. I just ache for my little boy so badly..

[True Blue]

It comes down to maternal condition.
Atomic has written lots and lots about it I will find you a link.

High nutrition = boy
Low nutrition = girl

I will find the link for you :)

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/3305-complete-index.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/27056-he-diet-faq.html

[True Blue]

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/3305-complete-index.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/27056-he-diet-faq.html

[Nann3r]

Part of the reason I'm so confused is because I was at my absolutely physical prime when I conceived my daughter. I was training to compete in women's physics bodybuilding. So I was lifting daily sometimes twice a day with the proper vitamins nutrients and caloric intake of proteins fruits veggies fats carbs etc.

I was not tracking ovulation at all. We just simple stopped protecting. We also conceived outside as we were camping in mid July so it was hot. So maybe it was the hubby's low sperm count???

I just really don't know anymore everything seems so conflicting i don't know what to do.. And it's majorly stressing me out :( which is probably just adding/hindering to my swaying to be stressed out now ugh :(

[True Blue]

If you were training excessively that sways pink. Was training 60mins or more a day?

[Nann3r]

If you were training excessively that sways pink. Was training 60mins or more a day?

Easily yes I trained very seriously. 3 hours a day full of resistance, circuit, lifting and cardio.. LOTS of lifting and circuits though. But also ran 3 miles a day. /: so maybe that aided in my girl..

I def don't train like that anymore though so maybe that will help sway blue ??


At this point I'm tempted to just go all in. I checked out your link and I was glued to my phone for a good hour lol so I'm thinking I'll just try everything. I'm only 23 so I'm not too worried about things like if my cm pH is too high with egg whites etc.

Still nervous I'll have to wait till baby 3 or 4 for my baby boy.. Or if I'll get him at all..

[atomic sagebrush]

I've read so many of your essays and I love them. I really do.. But if pH doesn't matter, and timing doesn't matter.. Then what does? Isn't the diet supposed to sway blue because it changes your pH?? Are the Y sperm still proven to be faster?

I'm at a loss now. /: I read the book and I was going to chart my ovulation by cm, temperature and ovulation kits. I was also going to change my diet to a saltier one with more potassium and red meats etc. I was also either going to do the egg white bad or preseed as well (I know you recommend preseed)

But now with all these comments I wonder what I should even do at all anymore:( I want my son bad but how do you know how to make the odds greatest? I really don't wanna mess up.. I know when it comes down to it, it's up to Mother Nature.. I just ache for my little boy so badly..

No, the Y sperm are not faster, that idea has been totally debunked and is covered in one of those threads I mentioned.

The straight truth is NO ONE KNOWS. We know that it happens because we have enough science to demonstrate that. And we know what ISN'T working, because it is biologically impossible or has been shown wrong in studies, or so many of us got opposites that it is just totally impossible for us to believe.

All we have are theories. All I can tell you guys is that the timing, mineral, and pH theories do not add up with evidence and biology. The hormone idea, maternal condition, fertility, and maternal dominance ideas make much more sense but we don't know HOW those things work in the body.

I really want the max. number of people's sways to work for them in a healthy way. That is my sole motivation.

I know it requires something of a leap of faith but I think it is WAY better to do the things that make sense and let go of the things that just can't be true. It makes your life a lot easier and it makes your SWAY a lot easier too. Example, timing - you can track your CM, temp, OPK and so forth as much as you want and it is MEANINGLESS because as tons of us have experienced, your cycle is different every month and none of that stuff is reliable. The patterns change.

The things that have worked for us are diet (higher protein, more nutrients, more healthy and animal fats), having more than one attempt (even if in line with SHettles, boosting fertility by using health/fertility improving supplements (without going overboard), husband stopping smoking, and weight training. WE are getting great results with those things. Equal to or better than the other sites and it takes us way less time to get pregnant and with WAY WAY less miscarriages.

If the other things were what is swaying, we wouldn't get good results doing what we are doing. Some of the things we do are just polar opposites to the "old school" stuff. But we are getting good results. It has to be something else that is working!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Part of the reason I'm so confused is because I was at my absolutely physical prime when I conceived my daughter. I was training to compete in women's physics bodybuilding. So I was lifting daily sometimes twice a day with the proper vitamins nutrients and caloric intake of proteins fruits veggies fats carbs etc.

I was not tracking ovulation at all. We just simple stopped protecting. We also conceived outside as we were camping in mid July so it was hot. So maybe it was the hubby's low sperm count???

I just really don't know anymore everything seems so conflicting i don't know what to do.. And it's majorly stressing me out :( which is probably just adding/hindering to my swaying to be stressed out now ugh :(

Extreme exercise is among the strongest sway tactics we have for PINK. We have gotten extremely high numbers of girls with intense exercise.

It is NEVER one thing though. Not because you were training a lot, not because it was July, it was a lot of things in concert and a bit of luck, besides.

It is ok, we have all the time we need to get this figured out. Remember, it's always possible to hold off a month while we work through all this, ther'es no need to rush. It will be ok. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Easily yes I trained very seriously. 3 hours a day full of resistance, circuit, lifting and cardio.. LOTS of lifting and circuits though. But also ran 3 miles a day. /: so maybe that aided in my girl..

I def don't train like that anymore though so maybe that will help sway blue ??


At this point I'm tempted to just go all in. I checked out your link and I was glued to my phone for a good hour lol so I'm thinking I'll just try everything. I'm only 23 so I'm not too worried about things like if my cm pH is too high with egg whites etc.

Still nervous I'll have to wait till baby 3 or 4 for my baby boy.. Or if I'll get him at all..

We have all the time in the world! Good news is you're probably more likely to get a boy at 23 than at my age that's for sure! :)

The issue with the egg whites is that it may undermine your sway by killing too many sperm, and it also may cause serious infections that could possibly cause miscarriage or worse. There was a woman we know of who got a salmonella infection in her uterus that ate into her spine and infected her brain!! She had used egg whites for swaying a year before. We don't obviously know that it is connected to her swaying, but the real concern is that we know now that salmonella can infect a uterus and potentially cause death, so I just don't want anyone to take that chance no matter how remote.

[Nann3r]

So what does sway? If timing doesn't and pH doesn't that leaves a hardy and nutritious diet and supps? That's it?

[atomic sagebrush]

I think we were posting at the same time, see post above and if you still need more clarification ask. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Everything that improves your condition and your fertility helps to sway blue. Even something as simple as getting lots of rest can help.

[Nann3r]

I think we were posting at the same time, see post above and if you still need more clarification ask. :)

I guess I'm just still confused as to what actually sways. I know what doesn't make a difference at all now. So I'm wondering what DOES make a difference. I know now that a nutiritious diet and supplements can increase odds of a boy.. And if that's all I can do then I guess I'll do it.. But is there something else I can do that I'm missing?

[Nann3r]

Everything that improves your condition and your fertility helps to sway blue. Even something as simple as getting lots of rest can help.

I'm sorry I'm not trying to be difficult I'm just having trouble piecing all this information together after reading so many methods that work and don't work I'm becoming overwhelmed and lost in all the information lol. I'm really trying to grasp everything tho!

[True Blue]

I'm always reluctant to try to explain these things because im always learning something new myself each day, that's after 10 years of researching swaying :D

It's not 'just' diet it's the effects the diet has on your body and how it works. The higher calories and healthy fats help our bodies produce good hormone levels. This helps improve fertility as well as our own health. Helping to tell our bodies that we can conceive & nourish a baby boy.
The supplements help our bodies produce hormones, example the fish oil, not only can it improve CM it can naturally help to raise testosterone as can lifting weights :)
So it's not just the diet & supplements it's the effect they set off.

If I have made any sense :D

[Dana-Alicia]

Take a deep breath and give yourself some time to process all this information. This whole process is overwhelming and daunting at first for everyone. Just read on this site, I would highly recommend a personal plan made by atomic as it takes the stress away from having to sort everything out yourself.

[Adia]

So what does sway? If timing doesn't and pH doesn't that leaves a hardy and nutritious diet and supps? That's it?

Yep, I have had some thyroid issues and swayed for my baby boy for almost 2 years.

By the time I conceived him I was eating very healthy nutritious food, keeping my blood sugar steady, taking a few supplements, doing weight training for exercise, and being competitive as a full time college student. When I knew I was close to ovulating we had sex a lot and we got a boy, no preseed- just EWCM! That's it.

Nothing crazy or fancy just a VERY different lifestyle for me than before. I would think the most bizarre thing I did was drink coconut water and pineapple juice once a day from day 1 of my cycle to the day after I ovulated. I didn't use temperature to track ovulation, I just knew by my cervical mucus and other body signs that I was ovulating.

The hardest part of the HE diet for me was gaining weight. I gained 20lbs on the diet over 2 years and that was hard to deal with, but I am having a boy and i wanted that more. I can lost weight after he is born. My natural eating and exercise habits are very GIRL friendly, hence I have 3 girls without trying.

I strongly encourage you to read everything Atomic has posted for you and read the posted sways. I highly suggest reading BOTH the TTC Girl and TTC Boy information so you can compare what your lifestyle was when you had your daughter versus the lifestyle Atomic suggests to get a boy. It takes a while for the theories to sink in and make sense, but they make perfect sense once you grasp them.

Good luck!

[ELP]

Hello Nann3r :) As all the ladies above had said, the best sway for boys is to improve nutrition and condition. For most of us its toning up the muscle but as you say you were pretty hench! when you conceived your girl/s so maybe where your body was burning through so many calories it may have not felt steady enough for a boy conception. Now things have slowed a bit with training you may already be in prime boy territory! Good food, womens one a day multi vit, a good fish oil and a good few attempts in the week leading up to ov and over your fertile window.

Please forget any miracle timing, eggwhites and baking soda, its nonsense and dangerous. The above has given me two succesful blue sways in a row after a previous run of three girls before that. Take your time, read through, start from scratch ok :)

[Nann3r]

This is all very encouraging! I had to just take it day to gather my thoughts again and cool off because I just get so worried and worked up :(

I definitely think I can improve my diet. I know a ton of factors way in to swaying but I'm sure that being malnourished didn't help me with my first! I'm sure the depleted nutrition is what gave me my girl. Along with other things who knows !!

I've already gained about 15 pounds from pregnancy. Mainly because I was not dieting, and I was eating whatever I wanted over the holidays :-) so I'm fairly confident if I just continue with a hardy dietand adding supplements I will really increase my chances of having my boy!!!

As far as lubricant, I tend to be very dry anyways. TMI but we usually have to use spit!! Ew.. So with this attempt, I think I'm going to use preseed. Not just for a boy but just to help the sperm along in general since I'm so dry down there as it is. Maybe also due to malnutrition? I suppose we'll see. Thank you everyone for all the help!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I guess I'm just still confused as to what actually sways. I know what doesn't make a difference at all now. So I'm wondering what DOES make a difference. I know now that a nutiritious diet and supplements can increase odds of a boy.. And if that's all I can do then I guess I'll do it.. But is there something else I can do that I'm missing?

The old school sway advice approached swaying as "do these 10 things and you are guaranteed a baby of your desired gender" but that isn't the way it really works. I honesty CAN'T give you a list like that because there are people who could do all those things and then be smoking a pack a day and still get girls because it isn't that list of 10 things that really works, it is improving your condition and fertility as a whole both for you and for DH and together for you as a couple.

All that having been said if you do these things we are getting best results with them:

Eat a nutrient dense diet with more animal fats than vegetable ones, eat 3 meals a day and 2-5 snacks, protein and carbs at every meal and snacks.

Take a prenatal or good multivitamin without a bunch of megadoses or herbs in them, and the same for your husband, plus some fish oil or DHA Husband can take carnitine and that may help.

If you are underweight gain up to 10-15 lbs, if normal weight gain up to 3-5 lbs, if overweight gain nothing up to 3 lbs.

Do musclebuilding exercise but do not overtrain. no more than 45 min at once, 4-5 days a week tops.

Get lots of rest

If you have lots of natural CM that's great, if not use Preseed.

Avoid things that decline your fertility for either you or DH or together as a couple. This includes things like smoking, excessive exercise, excessive crash dieting, biking/jogging by DH, tight underwear, excessive heat, and things like baking soda douche that actually wash away your body's natural CM. Hving your husband release regularly, every 2-4 days, can help. We believe that having regular unprotected sex also helps sway blue by exposing you to the hormones in your husband's semen but I understand that you are probably not going to be willing to do that because it goes against shettles. REgular orgasms for you (2x a week and then one with your attempts if possible) may help a little.

Have more than one attempt in that fertile window. If you can't let go of Shettles that's fine, wait till pos OPK or day before O.

Anyone else, am I missing anything?

[atomic sagebrush]

No saliva, it actually kills sperm. You may see bign improvements on an HE Diet and there is also green tea and grapefruit juice, plus lemon water, thoe things may help.

It's not malnutrition per se but just that if your body is a little "nervous" that you may not be in a good environment to have another baby, it uses very primitive methods to lower your fertility and prevent pregnancy. Drying up CM, delaying ovulation, shortening your luteal phase.

[atomic sagebrush]

OH yes and also blood sugar, has anyone mentioned that yet??? Eating regular meals with protein and carbs at every meal and snack helps keep your blood sugar in a nice range. XY fertilized eggs prefer a higher level of glucose in your cervical mucus and develop more quickly when you've got stable blood sugar (and this is actually the best proven part of swaying, with researchers in a lab actually able to tell the difference between XX and XY based on this). But you don't need to worry about that, as long as you are eating regular meals with protein and carbs at every meal and snack (or at least most of the time)

[goodmom]

The old school sway advice approached swaying as "do these 10 things and you are guaranteed a baby of your desired gender" but that isn't the way it really works. I honesty CAN'T give you a list like that because there are people who could do all those things and then be smoking a pack a day and still get girls because it isn't that list of 10 things that really works, it is improving your condition and fertility as a whole both for you and for DH and together for you as a couple.

All that having been said if you do these things we are getting best results with them:

Eat a nutrient dense diet with more animal fats than vegetable ones, eat 3 meals a day and 2-5 snacks, protein and carbs at every meal and snacks.

Take a prenatal or good multivitamin without a bunch of megadoses or herbs in them, and the same for your husband, plus some fish oil or DHA Husband can take carnitine and that may help.

If you are underweight gain up to 10-15 lbs, if normal weight gain up to 3-5 lbs, if overweight gain nothing up to 3 lbs.

Do musclebuilding exercise but do not overtrain. no more than 45 min at once, 4-5 days a week tops.

Get lots of rest

If you have lots of natural CM that's great, if not use Preseed.

Avoid things that decline your fertility for either you or DH or together as a couple. This includes things like smoking, excessive exercise, excessive crash dieting, biking/jogging by DH, tight underwear, excessive heat, and things like baking soda douche that actually wash away your body's natural CM. Hving your husband release regularly, every 2-4 days, can help. We believe that having regular unprotected sex also helps sway blue by exposing you to the hormones in your husband's semen but I understand that you are probably not going to be willing to do that because it goes against shettles. REgular orgasms for you (2x a week and then one with your attempts if possible) may help a little.

Have more than one attempt in that fertile window. If you can't let go of Shettles that's fine, wait till pos OPK or day before O.

Anyone else, am I missing anything?
Hi ...atomic ...sorry for jumping in...
I hv a question here .... i rarely get orgasm... although i do enjoy all other parts of dtd ...tmi lol ..
Will tht effect my blue sway ???
..plz if someone can shed some light on this :)

[Adia]

As far as lubricant, I tend to be very dry anyways. TMI but we usually have to use spit!! Ew.. So with this attempt, I think I'm going to use preseed. Not just for a boy but just to help the sperm along in general since I'm so dry down there as it is. Maybe also due to malnutrition? I suppose we'll see. Thank you everyone for all the help!!!

In my experience, the healthier I got from my diet the more EWCM I had. I conceived my girls with minimal but by the time I was ovulating and DTD for this baby, I had tons, almost too much at times.

I do think malnutrition has a lot to do with our EWCM. As you change your diet pay attention to the EWCM and you may not even need preseed in the end.

[Nann3r]

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Hi ...atomic ...sorry for jumping in...
I hv a question here .... i rarely get orgasm... although i do enjoy all other parts of dtd ...tmi lol ..
Will tht effect my blue sway ???
..plz if someone can shed some light on this :)

From what I've read through Atomic and elsewhere, the female orgasm secretes more alkaline cm- which is more overall sperm friendly. Also the muscle contractions that happen during the female orgasm also move the sperm along the tract helping it get to its destination. I have heard this helps greatly with blue swaying as the best odds for a blue sway is to be as fertile healthy and sperm friendly as possible. You can orgasm at anytime really, but I believe before hubby does.. But any orgasm during intercourse before or after is great!

I don't think it will lessen your odds too much however if you do not orgasm since the cm is naturally more alkaline during ovulation anyway.. The orgasm just helps:) it won't HINDER or sway pink necessarily to NOT orgasm.

That's just my perspective but atomic can totally correct me if I'm wrong somewhere! :)

[Nann3r]

In my experience, the healthier I got from my diet the more EWCM I had. I conceived my girls with minimal but by the time I was ovulating and DTD for this baby, I had tons, almost too much at times.

I do think malnutrition has a lot to do with our EWCM. As you change your diet pay attention to the EWCM and you may not even need preseed in the end.


ALSO! If you enjoy other parts of DTD such as foreplay etc that's great!! Foreplay raises sexual hormones and can aid with conceiving too! Since the hormones are "baby-making" friendly :) maybe I'm wrong on this too and atomic can give you more insight, but I say foreplay away! :p

[goodmom]

Lol... thx nann for ur thankful reply tht was sweet ... makes me feel more positive towards my àttempt ...

[Adia]

ALSO! If you enjoy other parts of DTD such as foreplay etc that's great!! Foreplay raises sexual hormones and can aid with conceiving too! Since the hormones are "baby-making" friendly :) maybe I'm wrong on this too and atomic can give you more insight, but I say foreplay away! :p

I had tons of EWCM without foreplay. I think I got to wearing a pad around ovulation because I had so much. It was nice to not have to use preseed.
It was surprising to me how much of a difference my diet made with my EWCM and my overall feeling of well being. I have never felt healthier than when I was on the HE diet. I was fatter than ever before, but I felt great!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi ...atomic ...sorry for jumping in...
I hv a question here .... i rarely get orgasm... although i do enjoy all other parts of dtd ...tmi lol ..
Will tht effect my blue sway ???
..plz if someone can shed some light on this :)

No it won't affect your blue sway negatively, it's just one little thing that may help a bit. :) If you can, that's great, if not, don't even worry about it.

A lot of us boy moms have gotten boys without female orgasm. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

ALSO! If you enjoy other parts of DTD such as foreplay etc that's great!! Foreplay raises sexual hormones and can aid with conceiving too! Since the hormones are "baby-making" friendly :) maybe I'm wrong on this too and atomic can give you more insight, but I say foreplay away! :p

No, that is exactly right, if you enjoy the act then that will do virtually all the good stuff that female O is supposed to do. :) Thanks for great answer.

[goodmom]

Tht is awesome ... thx atomic u dont know how relieved i feel now ... bcoz this was one thing i thought would lack in my sway ...and may be a topic tht i was not v comfortable to share :/

[atomic sagebrush]

This is a TMI-free zone! :) You can ask about anything, we are all in the same boat!

I have a funny (but kind of shocking) essay on the subject here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/27912-o-no-orgasms-swaying.html#post378932

[Nann3r]

Atomic- on the subject of timing or frequency I should say-

I'm doing practice runs every month until October. Just so I'm totally in tune with my body by then. So you recommend bding 3x after +opk correct? Preceded by bding every 2-4 days to increase sperm count and motility. So to clarify, I tested positive yesterday morning, so me and DH should (theoretically) dtd that same morning, in the evening, then the next morning aka this morning?

Then my second question- I've heard of some people being able to feel ovulation when it is happening. Either on the left or right and alternation each cycle.. So I tested positive yesterday for my LH surge at around 8:30am. I am feeling menstrual-like cramps on my left side today at 2:30pm.. Could this be my actually moment of ovulation? And if that is the case- would it be beneficial for me to dtd at the moment I FEEL ovulation occurring? Or should I stick to dtd after first +opk.


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[Nann3r]

Oh and also- could I be hyperolvulating right now? I've never felt pain before during ovulation.. And this is excruciating! Could I be releasing more than one egg?


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[Quinn31]

Nann, I don't want to hijack your thread but I was reading about your prior workouts and it got me concerned. I've been doing Insanity which is a pretty intense workout for 40 minutes and wondering if I should drop it. I don't know what to do though since I prefer a DVD where someone is telling me what to do. I'm not very self-motivated.

I just tracked my diet on myfitnesspal and it looks like I'm eating 2300-2500 calories of mostly unprocessed foods. I just started all of this though so I'm not sure if that will counteract the intense exercise.

[Nann3r]

Your totally fine comment away:) I think you'll be TOTALLY fine if your keeping your calories up! The second you end with a calorie deficit every day consistently is when it could sway pink and which is why I basically swayed pink for my girl and didn't even know it!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic- on the subject of timing or frequency I should say-

I'm doing practice runs every month until October. Just so I'm totally in tune with my body by then. So you recommend bding 3x after +opk correct? Preceded by bding every 2-4 days to increase sperm count and motility. So to clarify, I tested positive yesterday morning, so me and DH should (theoretically) dtd that same morning, in the evening, then the next morning aka this morning?

Then my second question- I've heard of some people being able to feel ovulation when it is happening. Either on the left or right and alternation each cycle.. So I tested positive yesterday for my LH surge at around 8:30am. I am feeling menstrual-like cramps on my left side today at 2:30pm.. Could this be my actually moment of ovulation? And if that is the case- would it be beneficial for me to dtd at the moment I FEEL ovulation occurring? Or should I stick to dtd after first +opk.


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It's fine to keep an eye on your cycle for now but do be aware things have a funny way of going pearshaped in the month of TTC so don't take it as being set in stone.

There are a thousand people out there who will swear on a stack of their preferred religious text that they feel ovulation. But it's been studied and it DOESN'T WORK in any consistent and reliable fashion. You actually develop eggs in both ovaries every month (15-30!!) and only the main egg is ovulated. THis can actually relieve pressure meaning you can have worse pain in the ovary you DON'T ovulate from. The fluid that comes from the follicle can cause irritation and pain in the abdomen for days after ovulation. And also both Fallopian Tubes cramp after ovulation and this can cause pain. Additionally, the high level of estrogen can cause uterine cramping too. So it is just not at all reliable and you really really need to go off of OPK because that is a measurable thing happening (hormone levels)

Many people have noticed that when they sway blue they suddenly start getting wicked O pains. I have 4 boys and I have terribly painful ovulation and several of us moms of all boys have bad O pains. WE don't know why but it may be something to do with the diet making more hormones. It isn't hyperovulation, it's just seemingly something that some people experience.

[atomic sagebrush]

Nann, I don't want to hijack your thread but I was reading about your prior workouts and it got me concerned. I've been doing Insanity which is a pretty intense workout for 40 minutes and wondering if I should drop it. I don't know what to do though since I prefer a DVD where someone is telling me what to do. I'm not very self-motivated.

I just tracked my diet on myfitnesspal and it looks like I'm eating 2300-2500 calories of mostly unprocessed foods. I just started all of this though so I'm not sure if that will counteract the intense exercise.

If you're eating enough, you can get away with more exercise and it may even help. I would not do more than 40-45 min but I have seen boys conceived with Insanity. (Lol that sounded funny)

[Nann3r]

Awesome that totally makes sense thank you!


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[Nann3r]

Hey atomic I have another question for you... I'm really wanting to run again... I kno you recommend low to no cardio... But is there a way to eat enough so the running doesn't affect my sway?? Like getting enough calories from the he diet so I don't burn through it by running and sway pink? I crave running so much I'm like sick over it :(


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[atomic sagebrush]

You can absolutely do cardio for a boy. No more than 40-45 min. 4-5 days a week. And if you are also doing weights (which you should) then add that in at a DIFFERENT time of day not one right after the other.

[Nann3r]

Omg this made my day thank you!!! :)


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[Quinn31]

You can absolutely do cardio for a boy. No more than 40-45 min. 4-5 days a week. And if you are also doing weights (which you should) then add that in at a DIFFERENT time of day not one right after the other.

I'm so happy to hear this. This week I've been doing about 30-40 minutes of weights that has some light cardio (Lindsay Brinn Postnatal Bootcamp. It's great) first thing in the morning. I've been happy to take a break from running but I think I'll add an evening 30 minute walk on the treadmill. Since I've added more to my diet, I'm always hungry!! I'm eating about 2500 calories a day but it's mostly nutritious and I'm staying active so it should be good!!

[Nann3r]

I know I feel bloated all the time I am SO not used to eating this much food! I'm a total chunk now and I am not used to it!!! :p the things we do for our babies!!!


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[Quinn31]

Yes, hopefully we're pregnant fast! ��