Feel low and almost ready to give up hope

[Beautifulrainbow]

I'm feeling low because I started planning to ttc girl in July months ago now started eating girl diet, doing research, taking some suppliments, trying to track my cycles but it's all gone down the pan as I'm af has gone missing, I'm on cycle day 78 this is the longests time my cycle has been except for just before I found out I was expecting my 1st.
I have been to see doc, she ran test and cannot find anything wrong!
I'm 100% not pregnant! I don't think its stress or losing as that's never affected them before, I fell pg with my 3rd when I wasn't eating and under extreme stress. Been testing with opks and have not had a positive test yet?
I'm thinking that going back on bc then stopping with make me have an af and ovulate, but I know my doc is not going to perscribe bc because you can't take it till your 1st day of your af so I'm seem to be in a catch 22 situation.
It might be silly but I'm a little worried that I have gone through early menopause or something worse.
I'm trying everything I can to start up my af again but nothing seems to be working.
Currently using caster oil on my belly with a hot water bottle.
Is there anything else can I do? Any advice greatly appreciated!

[atomic sagebrush]

It's not early menopause but we have to figure out WHAT it is.

I need more to go on, can you give me your supplements and when/how you're taking them, your diet, and how much you weigh/height, and how much you've lost. Also if you're exercising

Any history of PCOS and are you eating mostly empty carbs?

[Hitmebabyonemoretime]

Don't give up, atomic will help you work through it, and we're here for support.


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[twointow83]

I am the queen of long cycles lol. I have gone close to a year and over a year a few times. I have PCOS, though, and my cycles are much better now thank goodness. As far as forcing AF prometrium (progesterone pills) from my doc always did the trick for me. Since this is your first wacky cycle it is entirely likely a wrench just got thrown in and you just need a "reboot". Sometimes what happens is your body tries and tries to ovulate but after several attempts in can just kinda give up trying and you need to reboot your body by forcing AF and giving your body a fresh start.

[Beautifulrainbow]

I don't have pcos, doc ruled that out, all my hormones are with the right levels. My periods have been for most part of my life been quite irregular but never this long!
I'm currently 66.7kg I was 70.9 kg when I started losing weight in April, its not a huge amount.( I have been losing weight by eating a little less and exercising since January but it's only since April I was eating health trust me before then my diet was not health and I still had periods not very regular but not this long either)
I skip breakfast but have have don't that for years now, I'm eating salad rice cakes broccoli chicken now and again lamb,natural yoghurt, cottages cheese white rice. And I still have a sneaky bit of chocolate or cake now and again lol, I'm drinking so much more organic semi skimmed milk, cranberry juice. I try to eat some raspberries or strawberries but that's hard as I don't like them.
I take 1000mg and 500mg calcium and magnesium citrate. 100mg vitamin b6, 150mg saw palmetto, 252mg cranberry, 50mg zinc, 100ug vitamin b12 and folic acid. I take them in the evening after I have eaten with a big glass of milk.
Until 3 days ago
I was taking acidophilus as Im not sure if this is raising my ph, and vitamin e as its giving me so much more ewcm.
I also taking pseudoephedrine hydrochloride to clear up ewcm, ( which yesterday I had very little.)
I'm doing about an hour of cardio when I can but I lead a very busy life,constantly running around after people etc

[Beautifulrainbow]

Doesn't si sway boy by increasing ewcm?
could I try it until I get my af then stop by the time I o it should be out my system and won't sway?

[twointow83]

Doesn't si sway boy by increasing ewcm?
could I try it until I get my af then stop by the time I o it should be out my system and won't sway?

I am just learning all this myself so I don't know how SI sways... I would think girl since it's supposedly a "natural clomid" and clomid sways girl. as far as it being out of your system... most meds/sups take several days to completely leave your system. Up to 7-10 days for most but some meds stick around long enough to affect more than one cycle. For example, the last time I used clomid I did not ovulate at all on my own. Period. Then I took a cycle "off" (not taking clomid, still TTC even though we believed our odd of conception to be practically non-existent... I already had a script to force AF when we were ready to start up again because I didn't expect to Ov). Then lo and behold I Ov'd and got pregnant. To this day I believe the clomid was still working for me from the previous cycle.

[twointow83]

I don't have pcos, doc ruled that out, all my hormones are with the right levels. My periods have been for most part of my life been quite irregular but never this long!
I'm currently 66.7kg I was 70.9 kg when I started losing weight in April, its not a huge amount.( I have been losing weight by eating a little less and exercising since January but it's only since April I was eating health trust me before then my diet was not health and I still had periods not very regular but not this long either)
I skip breakfast but have have don't that for years now, I'm eating salad rice cakes broccoli chicken now and again lamb,natural yoghurt, cottages cheese white rice. And I still have a sneaky bit of chocolate or cake now and again lol, I'm drinking so much more organic semi skimmed milk, cranberry juice. I try to eat some raspberries or strawberries but that's hard as I don't like them.
I take 1000mg and 500mg calcium and magnesium citrate. 100mg vitamin b6, 150mg saw palmetto, 252mg cranberry, 50mg zinc, 100ug vitamin b12 and folic acid. I take them in the evening after I have eaten with a big glass of milk.
Until 3 days ago
I was taking acidophilus as Im not sure if this is raising my ph, and vitamin e as its giving me so much more ewcm.
I also taking pseudoephedrine hydrochloride to clear up ewcm, ( which yesterday I had very little.)
I'm doing about an hour of cardio when I can but I lead a very busy life,constantly running around after people etc
Do you chart? If not, there is a wealth of knowledge you can learn about your body through charting. Irratic temps could signal one issue, for example. After I started charting I learned enough about my body to diagnose myself long before any doctor did the tests to make the diagnosis. If so, can I take a peak at your charts? I am no doctor but I might be able to spot something worth knowing. I've been charting since the beginning of 2007.. through never ending cycles, through irregular cycles and through regular ones. I have also spent a lot of time assessing other's charts and I have gotten pretty decent at it.

[Beautifulrainbow]

I do chart, but it's mostly been cm as I keep forgetting to temp as soon as I wake the few day together where I did temp it was up and down

[Beautifulrainbow]

How do I post a copy of my chart? It's on an app ff

[twointow83]

Click the "more" button in the upper left corner then click "create/preview home page" the link listed (I'd there is one... you may have to create your homepage first) is the direct link to your charts. Keep in mind I can only see what you have it set to show on your homepage.

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[atomic sagebrush]

You need to drop the saw palmetto and B6 right away (drop SP, wean off B6) THose are notorious for delaying ovulation.

You are taking A TON of stuff that sways blue. B6, Zinc, B12 - all these things sway BLUE. Acidophilus also swayed blue and is the only supplement we ever used that got WORSE than 50-50. We dropped it from pink sways and now use them only for blue (with great results for boys BTW)

The doses on your Zinc and magnesium are actually dangerously high. YOu CANNOT take that much of those things, it's overdose levels no matter what they tell you on the other sites. Please wean back to no more than 15 mg zinc a day and 200 mg mag.

ARe you also taking Vit. E?? How much? Firstly it sways blue, and secondly the high dose Vit. E that they recommend on the other site are dangerous for your health and inhibit cell division which if you do get pregnant, may make you more likely to have a miscarriage.

Pseudoephedrine is DANGEROUS especially when taking cranberry. Please either use antihistamine or drop all together. IF you have no EWCM then there is no reason to take it anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

Doesn't si sway boy by increasing ewcm?
could I try it until I get my af then stop by the time I o it should be out my system and won't sway?

There is mixed evidence on how SI sways and we have had good results with it for pink (personally I think it sways pink but even things like Clomid which is the best of the best at making girls, you can still get boys with if you're eating a boy diet, etc) The problem is, that you have to wait for AF to start it and you aren't getting AF. DON'T DON'T DON'T take it NOW, you will delay O/AF even further. Plus, it has had a lot of side effects for people. I would prefer you to give it a month or two off the SP and B6 (you can't take these with SI anyway as they interfere with each other) and see how it goes.

You can't take it the way you're suggesting to induce ovulation, though. You need to take it like Clomid, which is from CD 3-7, start with 100 mg soy iso a day. Take it only CD3 thru CD 7, no other days.

[atomic sagebrush]

I am just learning all this myself so I don't know how SI sways... I would think girl since it's supposedly a "natural clomid" and clomid sways girl. as far as it being out of your system... most meds/sups take several days to completely leave your system. Up to 7-10 days for most but some meds stick around long enough to affect more than one cycle. For example, the last time I used clomid I did not ovulate at all on my own. Period. Then I took a cycle "off" (not taking clomid, still TTC even though we believed our odd of conception to be practically non-existent... I already had a script to force AF when we were ready to start up again because I didn't expect to Ov). Then lo and behold I Ov'd and got pregnant. To this day I believe the clomid was still working for me from the previous cycle.

:agree: that has been our experience too - the Clomid seems to work its magic for 1-2 cycles after stopping.

[Beautifulrainbow]

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[Beautifulrainbow]

So many questions now,
they sell the calcium and magnesium in that size tablet and other site says to take that much
I'm not taking vit e now gives me too much ewcm and I already had quite a bit anyway
Am I ment to take zinc then or not?
I tried antihistamines and it did not clear up the ewcm.

Seems I'm doing everything wrong which has made me feel I little low again, I wish I could buy a plan but I couldn't justify it to my dh he would take supps, change his diet slightly but as for spending money on a plan and still end up with a boy he will say no, and I think it's a little late now was hoping to ttc girl around July 20th!

[Beautifulrainbow]

There is mixed evidence on how SI sways and we have had good results with it for pink (personally I think it sways pink but even things like Clomid which is the best of the best at making girls, you can still get boys with if you're eating a boy diet, etc) The problem is, that you have to wait for AF to start it and you aren't getting AF. DON'T DON'T DON'T take it NOW, you will delay O/AF even further. Plus, it has had a lot of side effects for people. I would prefer you to give it a month or two off the SP and B6 (you can't take these with SI anyway as they interfere with each other) and see how it goes.

You can't take it the way you're suggesting to induce ovulation, though. You need to take it like Clomid, which is from CD 3-7, start with 100 mg soy iso a day. Take it only CD3 thru CD 7, no other days.

Only asking like this as other lady said to use it to reboot my system

[twointow83]

25648
Ok, so not a ton of info (temps are the big kahoona when it comes to charting, but it's good that you are charting the rest as they add pieces to the puzzle). I can tell from your patches of EWCM thar your body IS most likely trying to ovulate, though for some reason it's not getting far enough for your cervix to respond and open up. Persistent fertile CM would signal the possibility of hormonal imbalance BUT patches tend to signal that the body is trying to ovulate but for whatever reason isn't succeeding. Given you have had EWCM for a couple weeks straight now (unless something has changed around the same time like new supps for example) could go 2 ways. 1 your body is giving it all it has to ovulate or 2 your hormones have gotten out of balance recently either because your body has just plain gave up or due to supps. Again I am no doctor but this is my interpretation. HTH.

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[twointow83]

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[Beautifulrainbow]

Sorry! ... think I am almost at last resort, I won't be able get a script for clomid in uk, as I need to see a fertility docotr for it, there isn't actually anything wrong showing up I won't get refurred to the fertility doctor.
Oh and my docs don't believe in swaying says there is no such thing, nothing can influence what you get!

[Beautifulrainbow]

Ok, so not a ton of info (temps are the big kahoona when it comes to charting, but it's good that you are charting the rest as they add pieces to the puzzle). I can tell from your patches of EWCM thar your body IS most likely trying to ovulate, though for some reason it's not getting far enough for your cervix to respond and open up. Persistent fertile CM would signal the possibility of hormonal imbalance BUT patches tend to signal that the body is trying to ovulate but for whatever reason isn't succeeding. Given you have had EWCM for a couple weeks straight now (unless something has changed around the same time like new supps for example) could go 2 ways. 1 your body is giving it all it has to ovulate or 2 your hormones have gotten out of balance recently either because your body has just plain gave up or due to supps. Again I am no doctor but this is my interpretation. HTH.

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I think the long patch of ewcm was from taking vitamin e as soon as I stopped I have become dryer

I do feel like my body has given up and failed me which is why I feel like giving up to, I wanted an 2016 April baby girl but with each day that passes that dream becomes more bleak.

[Beautifulrainbow]

You need to drop the saw palmetto and B6 right away (drop SP, wean off B6) THose are notorious for delaying ovulation.

You are taking A TON of stuff that sways blue. B6, Zinc, B12 - all these things sway BLUE. Acidophilus also swayed blue and is the only supplement we ever used that got WORSE than 50-50. We dropped it from pink sways and now use them only for blue (with great results for boys BTW)

The doses on your Zinc and magnesium are actually dangerously high. YOu CANNOT take that much of those things, it's overdose levels no matter what they tell you on the other sites. Please wean back to no more than 15 mg zinc a day and 200 mg mag.

ARe you also taking Vit. E?? How much? Firstly it sways blue, and secondly the high dose Vit. E that they recommend on the other site are dangerous for your health and inhibit cell division which if you do get pregnant, may make you more likely to have a miscarriage.

Pseudoephedrine is DANGEROUS especially when taking cranberry. Please either use antihistamine or drop all together. IF you have no EWCM then there is no reason to take it anyway.

I can't find a lower dose of vit b6 near me, if I order online may take a while to get to me! Can't split tablet as its a powder,
Current thinking might as well go cold turkey as it looks like I'm not going to be able to ttc in July now thinking it's too late to change anything!

[twointow83]

I think the long patch of ewcm was from taking vitamin e as soon as I stopped I have become dryer

I do feel like my body has given up and failed me which is why I feel like giving up to, I wanted an 2016 April baby girl but with each day that passes that dream becomes more bleak.
Call your doc and ask for a script! :)

And MAJOR correction. It has been a LONG time since the time I was thinking of. I was using SI around the same time but I was VERY confused. I have been trying to think back for other advice and realized I told you sooooo wrong. It was NOT SI that I used to induce AF!!! It was something called BIOIDENTICAL PROGESTERONE!!!! I'll see if I can find the link from where I bought it from. Still script is better IMO but if that isn't an option you'll have the link as a fallback

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[Beautifulrainbow]

Call your doc and ask for a script! :)

And MAJOR correction. It has been a LONG time since the time I was thinking of. I was using SI around the same time but I was VERY confused. I have been trying to think back for other advice and realized I told you sooooo wrong. It was NOT SI that I used to induce AF!!! It was something called BIOIDENTICAL PROGESTERONE!!!! I'll see if I can find the link from where I bought it from. Still script is better IMO but if that isn't an option you'll have the link as a fallback

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All ready asked the doc for script they won't give it to me ::-(:
Process if they find anything wrong in blood tests is ( or so doc tells me)
Blood test >> something wrong>> referral to fertility doctor >> prescription for clomid
In my case
Blood test >> nothing wrong >> no further action needed. (Exact words they said too me)

[Beautifulrainbow]

My car parking brake broke this morning, well got stuck, had to manual proform a reset now it's working just fine wish we could just reset our bodies like that:think:

[twointow83]

All ready asked the doc for script they won't give it to me ::-(:
Process if they find anything wrong in blood tests is ( or so doc tells me)
Blood test >> something wrong>> referral to fertility doctor >> prescription for clomid
In my case
Blood test >> nothing wrong >> no further action needed. (Exact words they said too me)
Ok, trying to find the link. Gotta go mow the lawn right now though :(

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[Beautifulrainbow]

Ok, trying to find the link. Gotta go mow the lawn right now though :(

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Thank you.x
Btw the pic of your boys are so cute, wish mine did that, mine seem to have got too grown up for cuddles (cwtches)

[twointow83]

Thank you.x
Btw the pic of your boys are so cute, wish mine did that, mine seem to have got too grown up for cuddles (cwtches)

Thank you :) They are only like that when they sleep, though. During the day... oh man the arguing would drive you nuts!! But at night you can't separate them. They had 2 twin beds and they both slept on the same one. So, we finally just went and got the a full size to share, lol.

I have looked everywhere and I haven't found the link to the pills yet. I am trying to reach the woman that told me about them to begin with and see if she remembers, so I haven't given up. Maybe you'll have better luck. It's called Progon B by Bezwecken. I did find a sublingual drop version HERE (http://www.thenatural.com/bezwecken-progonb-l-4x-10-ml-liquid.html). I also found THIS (http://www.forresthealth.com/progest-sublingual-progesterone-drops.html) . I've never used the drop version because I hear they don't taste so great and I had the other but sublingual is one of the best methods of absorption and I have heard great things about taking progesterone sublingually. So, it may even work better for you :) There are even directions on the page with the second link on how to use it... I'd start at day 16 as soon as you get it, if you choose to go this route.

This is a quick fix though...ESPECIALLY if you are getting ready to TTC because if you aren't ovulating cycle after cycle you obviously can't get preg, but it will get you a fresh start. If you continue to have this issue then your doc needs to look deeper. HTH.

[twointow83]

BTW... you keep mentioning clomid in reference to your doctor writing a script and I am concerned you might have misunderstood me. SI can be used like clomid to help with ovulation if your doc won't write a script for clomid... at the moment we need to focus on getting AF (can't use the SI until you start) and the script *I* am talking about is for prometrium, which is a progesterone pill. Your doc may not be willing to write one for clomid, but prometrium, used to start AF, might be different. I apologize if I confused you and if *I* am the one that is confused than diregard this post ;)

[Beautifulrainbow]

Thank you it's not confusion coming from you its just the doc said that was all they could do will ask about the other meds and let you know how I get on :worry:

[atomic sagebrush]

I can't find a lower dose of vit b6 near me, if I order online may take a while to get to me! Can't split tablet as its a powder,
Current thinking might as well go cold turkey as it looks like I'm not going to be able to ttc in July now thinking it's too late to change anything!

Going cold turkey is bad for your health. Just gradually space doses further and further apart till you're down to one every week and then you can drop it. (should take about 3 weeks)

No, you should still TTC this month since you've been having trouble conceiving. You may only be making a few good eggs a year and you need to be in the position to catch one when it shows up.

[atomic sagebrush]

So many questions now,
they sell the calcium and magnesium in that size tablet and other site says to take that much
I'm not taking vit e now gives me too much ewcm and I already had quite a bit anyway
Am I ment to take zinc then or not?
I tried antihistamines and it did not clear up the ewcm.

Seems I'm doing everything wrong which has made me feel I little low again, I wish I could buy a plan but I couldn't justify it to my dh he would take supps, change his diet slightly but as for spending money on a plan and still end up with a boy he will say no, and I think it's a little late now was hoping to ttc girl around July 20th!

THey're wrong. I used to be on that other site and I know what they say, and I also know the people who ended up in the hospital from taking that much magnesium, the zinc is sold that high for people to take FOR A FEW DAYS when they feel a cold coming on, and there are studies that show taking calcium in that high a dose can contribute to heart disease.

You need some EWCM to get pregnant. If you're not getting pregnant, the antihistamines have to go.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry! ... think I am almost at last resort, I won't be able get a script for clomid in uk, as I need to see a fertility docotr for it, there isn't actually anything wrong showing up I won't get refurred to the fertility doctor.
Oh and my docs don't believe in swaying says there is no such thing, nothing can influence what you get!

If you're having long cycles like that then Clomid is medically indicated. I know it's tough in the UK to get a second opinion but many, many ladies have been given Clomid in the UK with exactly the issues that you are having.

Don't talk to doctors about gender swaying. They don't know about it and hence in their minds it isn't real, but the fact is when we're getting 75-80% boys and 65-75% girls by making a few easy changes that anyone can do, it's working. Studies have shown that it does work and anyone who ever looks into it for longer than 3 seconds knows it, even famous scientists like Richard Dawkins. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-and-scientific-research/32383-defense-swaying-part-1-a.html

[atomic sagebrush]

I think the long patch of ewcm was from taking vitamin e as soon as I stopped I have become dryer

I do feel like my body has given up and failed me which is why I feel like giving up to, I wanted an 2016 April baby girl but with each day that passes that dream becomes more bleak.

You can't get EWCM from taking Vitamin E unless your body is ALSO trying to ovulate. No estrogen, no EWCM. Vitamin E on its own does not make EWCM.

[atomic sagebrush]

Call your doc and ask for a script! :)

And MAJOR correction. It has been a LONG time since the time I was thinking of. I was using SI around the same time but I was VERY confused. I have been trying to think back for other advice and realized I told you sooooo wrong. It was NOT SI that I used to induce AF!!! It was something called BIOIDENTICAL PROGESTERONE!!!! I'll see if I can find the link from where I bought it from. Still script is better IMO but if that isn't an option you'll have the link as a fallback

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:agree: Soy Iso doesn't induce AF, it induces ovulation!! Thank you for correcting this because I didn't quite catch where we were getting hung up.

I have not seen good results with using the bioidentical progesterone for bringing on AF because if you haven't ovulated yet and are about to, it can really delay everything further and may cause a cyst. And if after ovulation, you were about to get AF anyway. We need the doctor's help to test to be sure where you are in your cycle and then a prescription strength medication from a chemist/pharmacy - the OTC stuff is meant for women in menopause and doesn't have the strength to trick your body into shedding the uterine lining.

[atomic sagebrush]

My car parking brake broke this morning, well got stuck, had to manual proform a reset now it's working just fine wish we could just reset our bodies like that:think:

We can but unfortunately we need a doctor's help. :(

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you it's not confusion coming from you its just the doc said that was all they could do will ask about the other meds and let you know how I get on :worry:

It's not just you, I have had a terrible time getting doctors in the UK to prescribe Prometrium to people even when it's medically indicated (as in, people who are going 6 months without a period). There is WAY more legit reason to give people Prometrium than Clomid (lowering risks of uterine cancer!) but for some reason the doctors in the UK will not prescribe it. :think:

I do want to give you hope though Beautiful - one of my clients was in the same boat as you, in the United Kingdom, not ovulating or geting AF for months at a time, and the doctors would not give her Prometrium even though she should have gotten it. Well, after several months she got pregnant with twin girls!! It can still happen for you.

[twointow83]

:agree: Soy Iso doesn't induce AF, it induces ovulation!! Thank you for correcting this because I didn't quite catch where we were getting hung up.

I have not seen good results with using the bioidentical progesterone for bringing on AF because if you haven't ovulated yet and are about to, it can really delay everything further and may cause a cyst. And if after ovulation, you were about to get AF anyway. We need the doctor's help to test to be sure where you are in your cycle and then a prescription strength medication from a chemist/pharmacy - the OTC stuff is meant for women in menopause and doesn't have the strength to trick your body into shedding the uterine lining.
I agree that her doctor definitely needs to do more testing if this continues to be an issue and that the OTC stuff is for women in menopause. However, I have been in her shoes. Back then I saw 3 gyns and neither would do anything for me but recommend BCPs.I was TTC so obviously that was not what was going to help me. My cycles were completely annovulatory. I waited about 6+ months each time, over a year the first time, praying each time that it would be the cycle that would be the one I would ovulate and get pregnant, but I nevet did until I moved to another state and got my current OB who got involved and did what was necessary. I dont want to cause issues here, I really don't, but the BIP can induce AF... not at recommended doses because you are correct in saying they are made for hormonal therapy but they do work at higher doses. Not unsafely high, just higher than recommended. I also agree that if she is about to ovulate taking the BIP would mess that up, which is why I feel her doctor should be more involved but unfortunately many doctors feel that because they went to med school that they know everything and we know nothing. I personally know the frustration and stress that comes with cycles that go on and on and I worry this stress will keep her from ovulating at all thus my recommendation of a fresh start and pushing for more testing if it continues. Again, not trying to stir the pot... that's the last thing I want. Just trying to use my experience and knowledge to help someone, just as you do. I truely hope it is an issue of miscommunication with her doc and her doc will Rx the prometrium, as this is really the best possible outcome because of all the reasons I mentioned before.Then she can use the SI for TTC next cycle since her doc won't Rx Clomid. But if not I don't want her to feel the helplessness that I felt for so long. HopeI am not stepping on toes. Just trying to help.

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[Beautifulrainbow]

I had such a busy day today I did not get chance to call my doc will try tomorrow!
I really want to thank you both for taking the time to reply to me I really appreciate it, I really like having more knowledge for when I do speak to the doc maybe not so much about swaying but more on cycles af etc, this is because I dint full trust that they reall know what they are talking about... Take me back to 1st time I fell pregnant.....
My periods stopped July/August was sent for test, again then they found nothing wrong, pregnancy tests were negative, sent me for more tests, found I was making milk hormones, said I was a very strange girl, ran another pg test it was also negative.
then I was sent to ob who tried squeezing my breast to see if any milk came out which it didn't, was told by him that it is very unlikely that I would get pg, fast forward 2-3 weeks after that appointment I felt a strange feeling like something was trying to kick its way out of me did a pg test good a really strong + within a min, was so shocked, the ob phone me back told him and he seemed very shocked and wished me luck,
went back to my gp ( not knowing how far along I was, didn't know when you was ment to start feel you baby moving kicking) there they felt my stomach said I felt about 16 week and sent me to see a midwife.
I thought this part was a right whirl wind but little did I know there was more to come, next day mid wife said she would be with me the day after that for booking in, got to hear my babies heart beat for the 1st time (amazing) booked me in for a scan the following week.
At the scan they informed me that I wasn't actually 16 week that I fact I was 26 weeks plus and that I was having a son and luck early he was perfect in every way. My son was born 11 weeks later at 37 weeks, August 2004, so only had about 12 weeks to enjoy my pregnancy in totally.

[twointow83]

I had such a busy day today I did not get chance to call my doc will try tomorrow!
I really want to thank you both for taking the time to reply to me I really appreciate it, I really like having more knowledge for when I do speak to the doc maybe not so much about swaying but more on cycles af etc, this is because I dint full trust that they reall know what they are talking about... Take me back to 1st time I fell pregnant.....
My periods stopped July/August was sent for test, again then they found nothing wrong, pregnancy tests were negative, sent me for more tests, found I was making milk hormones, said I was a very strange girl, ran another pg test it was also negative.
then I was sent to ob who tried squeezing my breast to see if any milk came out which it didn't, was told by him that it is very unlikely that I would get pg, fast forward 2-3 weeks after that appointment I felt a strange feeling like something was trying to kick its way out of me did a pg test good a really strong + within a min, was so shocked, the ob phone me back told him and he seemed very shocked and wished me luck,
went back to my gp ( not knowing how far along I was, didn't know when you was ment to start feel you baby moving kicking) there they felt my stomach said I felt about 16 week and sent me to see a midwife.
I thought this part was a right whirl wind but little did I know there was more to come, next day mid wife said she would be with me the day after that for booking in, got to hear my babies heart beat for the 1st time (amazing) booked me in for a scan the following week.
At the scan they informed me that I wasn't actually 16 week that I fact I was 26 weeks plus and that I was having a son and luck early he was perfect in every way. My son was born 11 weeks later at 37 weeks, August 2004, so only had about 12 weeks to enjoy my pregnancy in totally.
Uh... with that kind of history ignore everything I said. Seriously! Too much risk involved if you could be preg and not know it! This is above my "pay grade" and without a blood test and prob an u/s I wouldn't move forward to inducing AF. (((Hugs))) I know it is frustrating but with your history assume you are preg until proven otherwise.

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[Beautifulrainbow]

You need to drop the saw palmetto and B6 right away (drop SP, wean off B6) THose are notorious for delaying ovulation.

You are taking A TON of stuff that sways blue. B6, Zinc, B12 - all these things sway BLUE. Acidophilus also swayed blue and is the only supplement we ever used that got WORSE than 50-50. We dropped it from pink sways and now use them only for blue (with great results for boys BTW)

The doses on your Zinc and magnesium are actually dangerously high. YOu CANNOT take that much of those things, it's overdose levels no matter what they tell you on the other sites. Please wean back to no more than 15 mg zinc a day and 200 mg mag.

ARe you also taking Vit. E?? How much? Firstly it sways blue, and secondly the high dose Vit. E that they recommend on the other site are dangerous for your health and inhibit cell division which if you do get pregnant, may make you more likely to have a miscarriage.

Pseudoephedrine is DANGEROUS especially when taking cranberry. Please either use antihistamine or drop all together. IF you have no EWCM then there is no reason to take it anyway.

Thank you atomic, question about zinc...I looked up the symptoms if you have too much and it say one of the 1st symptoms is diahorra, don't have this and lu key no other bad symptoms, in fact I used to suffer from really bad acne! When I 1st started taking them I didn't see the connection until I forgot to take them for a few days when I broken out in very deep very sore acne which very quickly disappeared when I started supps back up, so if I reduced the amount of zinc will it still keep my skin cleared? I'm loving the clearer skin! 1st time I have been confident in my skin in years!
Also you said pseudoephedrine shouldn't be taken with cranberry, pseudoephedrine is sudofed so sudofed shouldn't be taken with cranberry right?
I'm confused now what should I be taking to sway girl then, is my diet ok?

[Beautifulrainbow]

Uh... with that kind of history ignore everything I said. Seriously! Too much risk involved if you could be preg and not know it! This is above my "pay grade" and without a blood test and prob an u/s I wouldn't move forward to inducing AF. (((Hugs))) I know it is frustrating but with your history assume you are preg until proven otherwise.

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Thank for all your advice twointow83! but don't panic, I'm definitely not pregnant now, not on bcp, but using other birth control (condoms) until next month which is why I am trying to sort them now so what happened 1st time doesn't happen again.
Plus I know the symptoms of being pregnant now so it won't be like 1st time. :wink:

2nd pregnancy was diff again was trying and have af, they wasn't going missing but they were irregular never the same length but no more than 40 days at a time but it took months before I concieved.
3rd I was again trying for months not happening same afs as above on number 2 after a year of trying gave up circumstances changed went back on bcp, at one point was vomiting it up and concieved at that point.

[Beautifulrainbow]

Hi girls my doc phoned me back today and she is very reluctant to do anything other to send me for a scan to check my ovaries, I asked about drugs to induce a af, but she said there is drugs that make you have a bleed but none that actually force an af to arrive. Just going to have to wait 2 weeks for scan then go back to discuss the results, then go from there.:sad::worry::nails:

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree that her doctor definitely needs to do more testing if this continues to be an issue and that the OTC stuff is for women in menopause. However, I have been in her shoes. Back then I saw 3 gyns and neither would do anything for me but recommend BCPs.I was TTC so obviously that was not what was going to help me. My cycles were completely annovulatory. I waited about 6+ months each time, over a year the first time, praying each time that it would be the cycle that would be the one I would ovulate and get pregnant, but I nevet did until I moved to another state and got my current OB who got involved and did what was necessary. I dont want to cause issues here, I really don't, but the BIP can induce AF... not at recommended doses because you are correct in saying they are made for hormonal therapy but they do work at higher doses. Not unsafely high, just higher than recommended. I also agree that if she is about to ovulate taking the BIP would mess that up, which is why I feel her doctor should be more involved but unfortunately many doctors feel that because they went to med school that they know everything and we know nothing. I personally know the frustration and stress that comes with cycles that go on and on and I worry this stress will keep her from ovulating at all thus my recommendation of a fresh start and pushing for more testing if it continues. Again, not trying to stir the pot... that's the last thing I want. Just trying to use my experience and knowledge to help someone, just as you do. I truely hope it is an issue of miscommunication with her doc and her doc will Rx the prometrium, as this is really the best possible outcome because of all the reasons I mentioned before.Then she can use the SI for TTC next cycle since her doc won't Rx Clomid. But if not I don't want her to feel the helplessness that I felt for so long. HopeI am not stepping on toes. Just trying to help.

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I do totally understand that and trust me, I see this kind of thing constantly with doctors refusing to help.

At some point it starts to be worth the gamble to do things to bring on AF. Some have gotten Provera from other sources and used it - and this can work, although I don't like to take the gamble, I have a couple of times. I have seen several people try to use the BIP to bring on AF and it hasn't worked. So then we take the gamble on delaying O for no benefit. I'm not saying it couldn't work for someone but I do think it may depend on where a person is in their cycle and since I've seen it not work for several people I just don't feel good about recommending it to people. I also have to take into consideration that there could be people out there who could be pregnant and just not far enough along to register on a test (and sadly I have had people who ignored my recommendations and did things like parsley tea and so on only to find out that they were pregnant all along!!) Thus, I stick with my recommendation which is, except in the rarest of the rare cases I am very hesitant to have anyone go this route.

I do not think that she is "there yet" in needing to take the chance on this. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi girls my doc phoned me back today and she is very reluctant to do anything over to send me for a scan to check my ovaries, I asked about drugs to induce a af, but she said there is drugs that make you have a bleed but none that actually force an af to arrive. Just going to have to wait 2 weeks for scan then go back to discuss the results, then go from there.:sad::worry::nails:

ARGH but the bleed still resets the hormones even though it isn't a true AF. :/ The scan is good though, at least you'll know what is going on in there!! Keep me posted and once we know that we can decide what to do.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you atomic, question about zinc...I looked up the symptoms if you have too much and it say one of the 1st symptoms is diahorra, don't have this and lu key no other bad symptoms, in fact I used to suffer from really bad acne! When I 1st started taking them I didn't see the connection until I forgot to take them for a few days when I broken out in very deep very sore acne which very quickly disappeared when I started supps back up, so if I reduced the amount of zinc will it still keep my skin cleared? I'm loving the clearer skin! 1st time I have been confident in my skin in years!
Also you said pseudoephedrine shouldn't be taken with cranberry, pseudoephedrine is sudofed so sudofed shouldn't be taken with cranberry right?
I'm confused now what should I be taking to sway girl then, is my diet ok?

I do not know if the zinc at a lower dose will keep your skin clear. Personally I would err on the side of caution and stick with the lower dose but that is your call to make.

Sudofed = pseudoephedrine. Either use antihistamine or drop all together.

[twointow83]

I do totally understand that and trust me, I see this kind of thing constantly with doctors refusing to help.

At some point it starts to be worth the gamble to do things to bring on AF. Some have gotten Provera from other sources and used it - and this can work, although I don't like to take the gamble, I have a couple of times. I have seen several people try to use the BIP to bring on AF and it hasn't worked. So then we take the gamble on delaying O for no benefit. I'm not saying it couldn't work for someone but I do think it may depend on where a person is in their cycle and since I've seen it not work for several people I just don't feel good about recommending it to people. I also have to take into consideration that there could be people out there who could be pregnant and just not far enough along to register on a test (and sadly I have had people who ignored my recommendations and did things like parsley tea and so on only to find out that they were pregnant all along!!) Thus, I stick with my recommendation which is, except in the rarest of the rare cases I am very hesitant to have anyone go this route.

I do not think that she is "there yet" in needing to take the chance on this. :)

That makes sense I guess, guess I am quick on the jump because I am so used to talking with ppl like myself with PCOS and other similar cycle issues. I also know too well how it is to want nothing more than to ovulate so you have a chance in you know where of getting preg. I can be maybe a little TOO empathetic in these types of situations, lol.

[twointow83]

Ditto atomic! It isn't true AF but it does reset the system! The progesterone makes the body think it ovulated, even though it didn't . So, next cycle the body goes on as if it is a brand new cycle!! Yay for a scan!! Hopefully you'll find something out!!

[Beautifulrainbow]

I do not know if the zinc at a lower dose will keep your skin clear. Personally I would err on the side of caution and stick with the lower dose but that is your call to make.

Sudofed = pseudoephedrine. Either use antihistamine or drop all together.
Zinc in what ever dose sway girl still?

[atomic sagebrush]

Zinc sways blue, we believe.

[maidentomother]

I suggest you drop all the supps you're taking except folic acid. We believe that all of those except SP and FA can sway blue. Also, SP can mess with your cycles and vitamin B6 can delay O.

I've been charting for 14 years and have never had a cycle longer than 35 days until this past year. My cycles average 28 days but vary a bit as my O moves around quite a lot at times. 2.5 cycles ago I stopped my girl sway and resumed taking a prenatal, high dose Vit D/fish oil/biotin. My last cycle was my longest cycle EVER and this cycle would probably have been longer except I (finally!) figured out the high dose fish oil was delaying O and within a few days of dropping it I Oed (just last night).

Sooooooo many things can delay O, and since you're taking several things that could explain why O is extra delayed.

Edited to add: been having some technical issues and I only saw one page when I posted! I see atomic informed you of the above already. I agree getting some Rx Progesterone would be ideal to reset your cycle, I also agree it's best to avoid OTC forms of P, they just aren't strong enough and can have very variable effects which you do not want in an already complicated situation.

Drs can be such idiots, I'm so sorry you're having issues getting a script. If you can afford it, seek a second opinion from a private dr. Ideally a fertility specialist/reproductive endocrinologist. I'd even stretch the truth a bit and say it's been 6 months since you had an AF.