Folic acid

[netti02]

Hi

Ive had a browse through the forums and i haven't found the amount of folic acid everyone has been taking for girl sway. I got 5mg (there was 0.5mg) aswell so i want to make sure I am taking the right amount.

Thanks

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[twointow83]

Wow, I am surprised you found that OTC! I take 4 mg and had to get a script for it! From what I've seen many here take somewhere in the ballpark of 800mcg. I take 4, when TTC and preg, because of my history. I have been told 1000 mcg for the avg population, and 4 mg while TTC/preg for women with a history of babies with ONTDs, is the upper limit of safe BUT given that FA is water soluble (meaning you pee out the excess) I don't know of any issues of taking that amount other than the fact that it has the capability of hiding a B12 deficiency, which can cause nerve damage, by repairing a blood condition which is one of the big first signs of the deficiency without actually correcting the deficiency itself. Unfortunately, I have deficiency issues so I get the "joy" of knowing this stuff lol. The LE diet can make getting a lot of b12 a challenge, if you aren't mindful of foods containing B12, because foods highest in B12 are things like shellfish/crab, red meat, cereals, etc. which are loaded with nutrition and/or protein or fat but there are things you can slide into the diet that do have b12 in them that won't kill your daily cal, fat, protein, etc. goals. For example- low fat milk, eggs, yogurt, etc. I eat a yogurt with a couple pieces of WG toast with SF jelly just about every day and it slides in nicely as a staple first meal of the day and still leaves me tons of wiggle room the rest of the day. Anyway, if you are going to take that amount of FA please just be mindful to include some B12 in your diet to cover your bases.

[netti02]

Thanks. I am d12 deficient (since weight loss op in 2012) and ive been needing the injections (can they effect cycles? Im usually 28 since op but heading up to c 33) my overall goal is to be more acidic and increase fat metabolism in the healthiest mannner i can.

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[twointow83]

Do you mean can the deficiency affect cycles?? I am not sure how it affects a cycle itself as they (my docs) keep a close eye on my nutrient levels so I have never been so deficient in B12 to know and compared to before my still long cycles are micro cycles compared to what some of my cycles used to be. BUT (and I don't want to scare you... they say the same thing about PCOS and lots of "cysters" do just fine!) I do know that it is related to both infertility and recurrent loss because after my most recent loss they were quick to check my levels for any deficiencies that might have explained it.

[netti02]

I know my b12 is related to my weight loss surgery as i never had a problem with it prior. I had my last 2 DS's after my surgery too.

Ive been 28 day cycles since losing the weight over 2012 but.it has been creeping back over the last few years and im wondering if that has caused my cycles to change this time. I was previously 35days. So diet and exercise will hopefully help that abit. But im off to the.drs this afternoon so will see what she says.

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[twointow83]

If you don't mind me asking, which surg did you have? I'm assuming given the deficiency issues you had RNY or DS, correct?It could also just be metabolically related. The surgery resets your metabolism turning it into a well oiled machine, but not forever. Once those villi grow back your metabolism shifts again because the body begins to absorb carbs, fat, etc. again(which is why some regain their weight... no accusations intended toward anyone in this predicament- it is just easy for it to sneak up on you). Maybe the change in your cycle length is just evidence of a shifting metabolism, particularly if you had issues such as insulin resistance before surg that creates problems that directly affect your cycle. Does that make sense?

[netti02]

Yep it does. I did have insulin resistance prior to surgery and i have been persistently hot these past 6 weeks, had my thyroid tested but all good. So um thinking it may be shift back to the 35 day cycles. Dr seems to think so aswell. I had a stomach sleeve done not sure what the American terminolgy would be but basically most of stomach removed and stitched/stapled back up. Was a successful op with nil complications so far apart from vitamin deficiencies which were anticipated.

Is there any recommendations of supps for DH to take?

Thanks

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[maidentomother]

I personally think Folate (1000mcg or thereabouts) is quite superior to FA, so you might look into that. Bc it is a more natural form and better absorbed you don't need as high doses as FA.

DH can take Olive Leaf Extract (OLE) and/or Licorice Root (LR).

[twointow83]

Yep it does. I did have insulin resistance prior to surgery and i have been persistently hot these past 6 weeks, had my thyroid tested but all good. So um thinking it may be shift back to the 35 day cycles. Dr seems to think so aswell. I had a stomach sleeve done not sure what the American terminolgy would be but basically most of stomach removed and stitched/stapled back up. Was a successful op with nil complications so far apart from vitamin deficiencies which were anticipated.

Is there any recommendations of supps for DH to take?

Thanks

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In America it has many names- VSG, vertical sleeve gastrectomy, "the sleeve" and so on. I am quite surprised to hear you have a vitamin deficiency with the sleeve as it doesn't affect the absorption of nutrients due to intestinal rerouting like the RNY and DS do. That is interesting...

As far as supps I know atomic won't be able to give you suggestions without more info about hubby (overall health, heart health, known fertility issues, etc.). My hubby has a family history of sudden heart failure so he can't take a lot of the options. He just takes olive leaf extract.

[atomic sagebrush]

I prefer you guys take 1200-1600 MICROgrams so that is a pretty big dose there. You would want the .5 mg instead.

[atomic sagebrush]

Wow, I am surprised you found that OTC! I take 4 mg and had to get a script for it! From what I've seen many here take somewhere in the ballpark of 800mcg. I take 4, when TTC and preg, because of my history. I have been told 1000 mcg for the avg population, and 4 mg while TTC/preg for women with a history of babies with ONTDs, is the upper limit of safe BUT given that FA is water soluble (meaning you pee out the excess) I don't know of any issues of taking that amount other than the fact that it has the capability of hiding a B12 deficiency, which can cause nerve damage, by repairing a blood condition which is one of the big first signs of the deficiency without actually correcting the deficiency itself. Unfortunately, I have deficiency issues so I get the "joy" of knowing this stuff lol. The LE diet can make getting a lot of b12 a challenge, if you aren't mindful of foods containing B12, because foods highest in B12 are things like shellfish/crab, red meat, cereals, etc. which are loaded with nutrition and/or protein or fat but there are things you can slide into the diet that do have b12 in them that won't kill your daily cal, fat, protein, etc. goals. For example- low fat milk, eggs, yogurt, etc. I eat a yogurt with a couple pieces of WG toast with SF jelly just about every day and it slides in nicely as a staple first meal of the day and still leaves me tons of wiggle room the rest of the day. Anyway, if you are going to take that amount of FA please just be mindful to include some B12 in your diet to cover your bases.

:agree: most people do have stores of B12 and if you include eggs and dairy the majority would be getting enough on LE Diet without supps.

Anyone who has issues absorbing B12 should continue the amount that is right for them.

[atomic sagebrush]

I prefer you guys take 1200-1600 MICROgrams so that is a pretty big dose there. You would want the .5 mg instead.

BUT if you have trouble absorbing nutrients you may need the higher dose. i would ask your doctor's opinion on that. I took 4 mg with my last 2 pg because my 3rd son has a neural tube defect.

[netti02]

Thanks ill grab that one today

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[netti02]

Just a quick qestion in relation to LR and OLE. i was going to get DH to take a supplement and im wondering if one is more successful than the other or is it just preference? I did find a tablet form at the supermarket of OLE but i will have to have a better browse when the shops are open tmro. I have found more about OLE than LR through reading online but im unsure.....m

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[atomic sagebrush]

They do two different things. Most people would have their husbands take both together.

[netti02]

I have found OLE it's recommending 1-2 tabs a day. I havent found LR as of yet i believe ill need to go to the health food store.

I have a question about frequency. Me and hubby were thinking daily release but one attempt (will be tricky.this tricky this month due to my cycles being silly) if memory serves me we were every 3-4 days with my boys. I have heard FR keeps sperm numbers down amd hence maybe more girls. Wnyone have any thoughts on this

Thanks

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[atomic sagebrush]

Not sure what you are asking, but that is a tactic that some try. Hasn't gotten great results for us and has cut odds of conception, and can be quite difficult to do with irregular cycles.

I think we're seeing such great results with one attempt, my temptation is to drop the frequency stuff, which hasn't worked, and do regular release every 2-4 days with the one attempt. But, most people do want to try it at least one month with everything.

[netti02]

Thanks atomic. I may have wrote this msg post night shift with sleep deprivation. We have a few things in place this month so will see how we go.

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