started new thread as I'm getting lost!

[Beautifulrainbow]

Ok. I'm seriously not intending to quibble at all, I'm just going to mention why I do it that way.

I like people to have the option of doing each tactic for a month or two as per their choice. I think going from 1 attempt at pos to doing boy-friendly frequency to get pregnant by the 4th month is not enough time since many times people need a month just to figure it out or something might go wrong, like hubby has a late night at work or something. I feel good about this schedule, I've used it for years and only a couple of people have failed to get pregnant on the Clomid this way. Plus, it leave you guys with the option of moving up the schedule at any point in time, you can just decide to scoot along to the next option after only a month or even sooner.

Personally I do not like every 3 days with Clomid, unless you're doing it with one attempt at positive, because I do not think it always ups odds of conception by very much. I feel every 4 days plus one is better because most people end up with 2 good attempts in fertile window that way. Every 3 days is fine to play with when you have more than 6 months on the Clomid but on Clomid we only have the 6 months max to goof around with and thus I like to preserve those months for my fave methods that seem to work best for people. Every 3 days plus one attempt is good for odds of conception but can sometimes end up being 3 attempts in fertile window.

I don't want anyone DTD every other day. If you're ready to pull the trigger on getting pregnant, then do SMEP. Every other day just raises odds of blue without really increasing odds of conception that much. It's like the worst of both worlds in a lot of ways. You can easily end up with atempt on O-2 and O day, which is not any better than e4d or e3d plus one. SMEP is here Sperm Meets Egg Plan (http://www.pregnancyloss.info/sperm_meets_egg_plan.htm)


thankyou for replying atomic, I started new threat as I'm getting lost amongst the others!
I did go see the gp yesterday over the bleeding, and well... I didn't get any answers from her really, I asked could it be due to low estrogen if so is there anything they can do, her respond was no just go talk to the fertility clinic on Friday, and see said you can have thin lining on different cycles every cycle is different. Also you can bleed at any time and it not be an af, it could be from the womb shedding some of its lining even if it's thin because of an in balance of hormones. Doc said what she normally does is make another appointment to take another look down there, and send me for yet more blood tests. (This is so aggravating as all test have come back clear) that appointment is not until January 27th, I was scared that clomid was really the right treatment for me as I read clomid just makes thin lining worse, all I got was, go ask the fertility consultant this is Beyond my expertise!

[purple]

I have had midcycle bleeding all last year and was quite concerned. The fertility specialist said it was just due to my hormone imbalance and not a problem (I also had ultrasounds so he could rule out other issues). Anyway now I'm on metformin it seems to have helped balance my hormones. Also the month I used clomid I didn't get the bleeding so it helped too. Try not to worry about it too much :)

[Beautifulrainbow]

Clomid is a great pink sway tactic. Here is the progression that I typically recommend with Clomid, I think I posted this in another thread so apologies if I am repeating myself. You obviously do NOT need to do it this way, I'm just tyring to demonstrate how I think it is best to progress on clomid from fewer attempts to more attempts. Do not just jump right in, first month out, going right to SMEP and count on the Clomid to sway pink for you. That's not how it works.

First month or two - BD one attempt at positive OPK.
Second month or two - every 4 days
third month or two - every 4 days plus one attempt at pos opk
6th month on Clomid - SMEP

DO NOT have hubby release every day. Doesn't work and really cuts odds of conception. In months with one attempt, have him do regular release every 2-4 days. In e4d months, just have that as his release.
YOu're already doing the most important thing to increase the chances that you will get pregnant with your PCO - you are on the Clomid! I think you should at least give it a try with Clomid + sway tactics before you start actively swaying blue in order to get pregnant. Too many people will go that way and it really hurts your chances.

I do not recommend cranberry for any women who are swaying. In this case I know more than the "experts" because I have seen a kajillion women taking it in lots of different circumstances and a)it doesn't work and b) causes so many side effects that it is frightening (including increased risk of miscarriage and bleeding in brain and stomach that may be fatal). YOu are very likely going to have very severe O pains on Clomid if you are on cranberry at the same time and it does not increase your odds of conception anyway. It also makes CM dry and hostile which Clomid can also do (and did I mention, it doesn't work??).




If you're asking me how it works - that I can't totally say. Estrogen may have some part to play because it affects EWCM quality and quantity, and Clomid blocks estrogen during the part of your cycle you're taking it. That is my guess.

If you're asking me (and this is what I think you are actually driving at here) if it still works to sway pink even if you're ovulating regularly, YES it does and I recommend it for anyone who can get ahold of it and is under 38 or so.




I have to confess to something. this would actually be my 1st round of clomid from fertility, but I got my hands on some for last cycle took them day 2-6 at 50mg I was worried that if I went to private fertility clinic it would of cost too much and it such a long waiting list on the nhs.
I did not ovulate on or around 5-10 days after we bd every other day and did not get pg and got my af on December 2nd! (A little shorter cycle than I previously had)
which is why this time I decided to go to the private clinic and have the consultants sort it all out!
So should I take this as my 2nd round of clomid or my 1st?

[Beautifulrainbow]

I have had midcycle bleeding all last year and was quite concerned. The fertility specialist said it was just due to my hormone imbalance and not a problem (I also had ultrasounds so he could rule out other issues). Anyway now I'm on metformin it seems to have helped balance my hormones. Also the month I used clomid I didn't get the bleeding so it helped too. Try not to worry about it too much :)


Yes no point worrying now and just tell them on Friday, I heard lots of people say they are on metaform along with clomid but nobody has mentioned this and has not mentioned that I have insulin resilience either which is what I read it's for.
I am slender so I think it has not shown up and it's why it has not been mentioned.i don't have a problem with my weight! As quoted below.

If I am prescribed metoform as well do I need to be taking this for a few months 1st or can they both be started together?

[Beautifulrainbow]

I found this article:

[/QUOTE]Q: Curious why you would suggest estrogen or think there would be estrogen deficiency with PCOS when it's progesterone that PCOS sufferers are lacking due to not ovulating. Adding estrogen will just make the problem worse.


A: While you are correct that many women with PCOS do produce adequate progesterone, there is more to the story. All too much that is written about this complex condition fails to discuss individual differences. Polycystic ovary syndrome is not one condition, but a group of conditions with overlapping symptoms. Different women with PCOS may have quite different hormonal patterns.

The most important factor is weight. Those women with PCOS have a different, and generally milder, condition than those who are significantly overweight.

Most of what is written about PCOS really refers only to those who are overweight. They bear the greatest burden of the condition and it is important that there is adequate information available about their problems. However, different women with the diagnosis of PCOS may have different problems and different needs.

My approach to PCOS is to separately consider each of the 4 features that can be associated with the condition.

First are skin and hair effects of testosterone: hair loss, acne, and increased facial and body hair. For women with the slender form of PCOS these are usually the primary concern.

Second is ovarian dysfunction, usually shown by irregular periods. In general, a normal cycle is between 3 1/2 and 5 1/2 weeks between periods. Longer (or, less often, shorter) intervals suggest an underlying hormonal condition. PCOS is the most common, but not the only, cause of infrequent periods. PCOS. In severe PCOS, there may be only 1 or 2 periods a year, and these may last for several weeks.

For slender women who have normal cycles but skin and hair changes, PCOS is a doubtful diagnosis.

The other features of PCOS are difficulty controlling weight and insulin resistance. High insulin levels are usual in overweight women with PCOS but uncommon in the slender form of the condition.

While anovulation is one of the features of PCOS, estrogen levels vary greatly in women who do not ovulate regularly. Especially in those who are overweight, or have very heavy periods when they do come, estrogen levels tend to be high. In slender women with PCOS it is common that estrogen levels are low. Low estrogen levels in this situation need to be addressed because of possible increased risk of osteoporosis, and even heart disease.

Estrogen deficiency prior to age 45 or 50 is associated with increased cardiovascular risk; abnormally low levels should be treated with hormone replacement, either an oral contraceptive or estrogen and progesterone. This treatment reduces health risk. The research on estrogen risks after menopause does not apply to estrogen deficient younger women.

Because progesterone protects the uterus against endometrial cancer, the lack of progesterone caused by anovulation creates an increased risk. The simplest way to address this situation is use of an oral contraceptive. For women who cannot take the pill, progesterone itself, taken for 12 consecutive days each month is an alternative.

Each woman with PCOS deserves to have her individual situation regarding estrogen and progesterone worked out, and treatment decided according. All women with PCOS are NOT alike. There is effective treatment for all women with PCOS, but no one treatment that is right for all women with this unfortunately very common condition.

Geoffrey Redmond MD[/QUOTE]

[purple]

Yes no point worrying now and just tell them on Friday, I heard lots of people say they are on metaform along with clomid but nobody has mentioned this and has not mentioned that I have insulin resilience either which is what I read it's for.
I am slender so I think it has not shown up and it's why it has not been mentioned.i don't have a problem with my weight! As quoted below.

If I am prescribed metoform as well do I need to be taking this for a few months 1st or can they both be started together?

I'm thin too so I think that is why it took so long for my pcos to get diagnosed. I also didn't have the high testosterone when I was tested before DS1. I think it really depends on the Dr you get as to what they decide to suggest. My dr gave me the option of clomid straight away but I wanted to wait for a few reasons.

You are only supposed to take clomid 6 months in a row at a time but I'm not sure about having a month or two in between. I also got hold of some from a friend but it will be about 3-4 months in between that cycle and future clomid cycles for me. I would hope neither of us get up to 6 cycles of clomid!

[Beautifulrainbow]

I'm thin too so I think that is why it took so long for my pcos to get diagnosed. I also didn't have the high testosterone when I was tested before DS1. I think it really depends on the Dr you get as to what they decide to suggest. My dr gave me the option of clomid straight away but I wanted to wait for a few reasons.

You are only supposed to take clomid 6 months in a row at a time but I'm not sure about having a month or two in between. I also got hold of some from a friend but it will be about 3-4 months in between that cycle and future clomid cycles for me. I would hope neither of us get up to 6 cycles of clomid!

Fingers crossed for us both, xxx I read that you can only take clomid for 18months in total in your life! But I won't be able to afford to do that and the consultant did say last Friday if I don't respond to 50mg this cycle next it will be 100 then 150 on 3rd and if I still don't respond to that then further investigation is needed.
I'm really hoping to get pg 1st time from clomid from consultant I really want my baby girl before then end of the year.
Oh I'm so demanding haha
My testosterone is 1.3 nmol im guessing it's low will google it to check later

[maidentomother]

On what CD do you think Oed last month? You said you took it CD2-6 but had NOT Oed by CD16? How long was the cycle? How long are your usual cycles, not on Clomid?

What CD are you on currently?

Clomid CAN cause the uterine lining to thin I some women but it is not common in women under 38 or so. How old are you?

Maybe you should ask for Femara, as it doesn't have the potential thin lining effect?

[Beautifulrainbow]

I am 31 years olds, my last cycle started October 10th 2015, took fertomid cd's 2-6. o'd cd 38 on 16th November 2015, total cycle length 53days next cycle started 2nd December 2015 til present I think as been spotting to light bleeding since Saturday 9th january 2016

[Beautifulrainbow]

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[maidentomother]

I definitely think something is up hormonally with those long cycles, maybe PCOS? I think 50mg Clomid is just too low a dose for you thus why you didn't O until so late. But you had a nice long LP so I doubt your uterine lining was thin on Clomid. I just really think you need 100mg to O in a timely manner. I would consider telling your dr about your past clomid cycle so that he will give you 100mg now, otherwise you could very likely have another long cycle on 50mg. Good luck to you!

[Beautifulrainbow]

Just read the short hand of that sperm meets egg plan and it says to bd every other day? Bd every other night Sways blue? I want to sway pink.
If bding every 4th day what do you start the day af has gone?

I had a letter from fertility clinic saying my treat
Ment plan will be provea on Friday followed by clomid and if I'm not over stimulated then it's going to be timed bd.

Does this mean they will be telling me to use a condom until they know if I o'd?
Even if I can't bd does DH need to release every 4 days?

[purple]

SMEP should be left until later and you might not even need to worry about it. Normally you start e4d once AF finishes. Timed intercourse will probably be the dr doing a scan and then estimate how long until you will ovulate from it. They will probably say to BD every other day. They probably will want you to wait for the scan to make sure you aren't going to release lots of eggs, if you ovulated that late on 50mg before you probably won't suddenly get overstimulated but they don't know about that cycle.

How old is your hubby and has he had a sperm analysis done?

[Beautifulrainbow]

My hubby is 32, and he put a sample in on Tuesday we will know the results tomorrow. Though I'm think it's going to be good news for him as he is the father of my 3 boys and possible a girl from a different relationship, it took me a few months to concieve those 3 boys i had problems before hand started testing then it happened, but it never taken this long

[Beautifulrainbow]

I definitely think something is up hormonally with those long cycles, maybe PCOS? I think 50mg Clomid is just too low a dose for you thus why you didn't O until so late. But you had a nice long LP so I doubt your uterine lining was thin on Clomid. I just really think you need 100mg to O in a timely manner. I would consider telling your dr about your past clomid cycle so that he will give you 100mg now, otherwise you could very likely have another long cycle on 50mg. Good luck to you!



Hi all, went to see fertility consultant today, my hubby's :pinksperm: is good. I confessed to taking 50mg last cycle and showed her my cycle on ff that it had not worked so we have now got a new treatment plan.
I had to have another scan today and my lining was still thin.

Treatment plan now is, contraceptive pill for 21days starting today then once I get my af I am going to take 100mg clomid, scan on cycle day 10 and if I'm ready to o I will recieve a trigger shot.

I'm so bummed out I have lost another month. :sad:
This will be my last try :sad:

[maidentomother]

Why is she putting you on the pill? Did you tell her you're in a hurry to TTC? Honestly the Clomid would take care of the lining, there's no reason you couldn't start it immediately.

[Beautifulrainbow]

The consultant looked through my cycles, show her when I took 50mg clomid and when I od on it she saw I did not have an af in November, she noted that I spotted for almost the last week, wanted to check how thin my lining had gone and said this is what she wanted me to do then I would be scanned often once I start clomid in 21 days. I was prob going to lose a month if I went ahead and said nothing and she just gave me 50mg clomid, the consultant and nurse seem to be very positive about it working by doing this. And I do have to follow this treatment otherwise I will not get the trigger shot as I won't be given it until I have my scan!

[maidentomother]

Yes, the trigger is a nice bonus of waiting. I didn't know about the spotting, best to follow the plan then.

[Beautifulrainbow]

On the plus side, did I read somewhere that just coming off BC sway pink?

[purple]

I'm not sure why you can't just have provera for 10 days but I guess the dr knows what they are doing. BCP does have some pink sway too so I guess that is a bonus ( although I'm not sure 21days would do much sway but it's something :))
It is probably better than wasting more time on a longer cycle on 50mg of clomid so it's good you told them.

[Beautifulrainbow]

I'm not sure why you can't just have provera for 10 days but I guess the dr knows what they are doing. BCP does have some pink sway too so I guess that is a bonus ( although I'm not sure 21days would do much sway but it's something :))
It is probably better than wasting more time on a longer cycle on 50mg of clomid so it's good you told them.


When are you ttc?

[maidentomother]

I don't think length of time on BCP matters that much personally in terms of swaying. 1 cycle should still sway pink IMO.

I did also wonder, why not just give you estrogen supplementation if your lining is thin & start you on the Clomid now, but many drs do like a proper 'clean slate' before Clomid.

[purple]

When are you ttc?

Me? I have been ttc since Feb last year. I managed to get pregnant 2nd cycle (I o'd cd30) but miscarried at 9wks. So it is almost a year and I'm still on cycle 8. I should hopefully do a monitored clomid cycle next month.

[Beautifulrainbow]

@purple it looks like we will be doing a monitored cycle together then! Est date of February 15th I should have take clomid by and then having a scan.

Still feeling bummed I ate lots of chocolate and candy after lunch today

[purple]

@purple it looks like we will be doing a monitored cycle together then! Est date of February 15th I should have take clomid by and then having a scan.

Still feeling bummed I ate lots of chocolate and candy after lunch today

Chocolate and candy is fine if it is with a meal and in your limits of the LE diet. If it wasn't them one cheat won't stuff up the diet. Just try to do your best :)

Unless I get a bfp this cycle I should be doing clomid about the same time :)

[Beautifulrainbow]

Is there any more chance of miscarriage with clomid?
I have never had one! So if I have never had one am I at any more risk of having one now?

[essnce629]

Clomid is supposed to help improve egg quality so if anything it should help lessen your chance of miscarriage. But a lot of women have at least one miscarriage in their life and the older you get the higher your chance of miscarriage. Me and my 4 best friends from high school all had our first kids (9 of them total) in our 20's with zero miscarriages in our group. Since turning 30 and trying to get pregnant there's been 5 miscarriages in our group now and only 3 successful pregnancies, all in the past 2 years when we were 32 and 33. We're all 34 now. I definitely think it is an age thing as we all got pregnant easily or accidentally in our 20's.

[maidentomother]

100% agree with essnce!

[Beautifulrainbow]

Thank you for you post.
I see you had 2 water birth essence.
I had my 1st natural then 2nd 2 water births wish I had all water births most amazing thing takes away the stinging burning pain when the head crowns. I will never forget that pain.

[Beautifulrainbow]

Chocolate and candy is fine if it is with a meal and in your limits of the LE diet. If it wasn't them one cheat won't stuff up the diet. Just try to do your best :)

Unless I get a bfp this cycle I should be doing clomid about the same time :)


How is it going? Any BFP yet?
Btw I'm really sorry you miscarried at 9w

[purple]

How is it going? Any BFP yet?
Btw I'm really sorry you miscarried at 9w

Thanks :) I only just ovulated so just entering the TWW.

I also had a waterbirth (at home) with my 2nd and hope to be able to do it again, it was pretty amazing.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh gosh sorry I think this post got bumped away from me. Since I go from oldest to newest sometimes a "hot" thread always stays "new" to me and ends up that I don't see it for a while, terribly sorry.

SO, referring to first post, I'm sorry that I didn't get back to you sooner.

Your doctor is saying one thing (that it's not low estrogen) and then one minute later saying the exact opposite (that you can bleed at any time and it is not AF, but lining coming off because of an imbalance of hormones, THAT IS LOW ESTROGEN causing that.)

What most doctors would do in this sitch, and I understand she feels beyond her pay grade here and is sending you onward to someone who knows, is that they would give you estrogen to plump up that lining along with the Clomid and those two things together would fix the problem. So this is not insurmountable. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I have to confess to something. this would actually be my 1st round of clomid from fertility, but I got my hands on some for last cycle took them day 2-6 at 50mg I was worried that if I went to private fertility clinic it would of cost too much and it such a long waiting list on the nhs.
I did not ovulate on or around 5-10 days after we bd every other day and did not get pg and got my af on December 2nd! (A little shorter cycle than I previously had)
which is why this time I decided to go to the private clinic and have the consultants sort it all out!
So should I take this as my 2nd round of clomid or my 1st?

Oh girl don't even worry about it, I hear this "confession" about 5 times a week. :) Clomid has been around since the 1960's and I believe it to be one of the safest drugs ever, probably safer than Tylenol and penicillin.

If you took the Clomid, with a shorter cycle, and got a relatively normal AF, I think you prob. did ovulate and would relly benefit from e4d because I suspect you just missed it.

IF it's consecutive (which I think it is, just want to make certain) then it's your second month on Clomid.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes no point worrying now and just tell them on Friday, I heard lots of people say they are on metaform along with clomid but nobody has mentioned this and has not mentioned that I have insulin resilience either which is what I read it's for.
I am slender so I think it has not shown up and it's why it has not been mentioned.i don't have a problem with my weight! As quoted below.

If I am prescribed metoform as well do I need to be taking this for a few months 1st or can they both be started together?

most people don't need Metformin and it may not be right for you. I wouldn't stress over this.

[atomic sagebrush]

I found this article:

Q: Curious why you would suggest estrogen or think there would be estrogen deficiency with PCOS when it's progesterone that PCOS sufferers are lacking due to not ovulating. Adding estrogen will just make the problem worse.


A: While you are correct that many women with PCOS do produce adequate progesterone, there is more to the story. All too much that is written about this complex condition fails to discuss individual differences. Polycystic ovary syndrome is not one condition, but a group of conditions with overlapping symptoms. Different women with PCOS may have quite different hormonal patterns.

The most important factor is weight. Those women with PCOS have a different, and generally milder, condition than those who are significantly overweight.

Most of what is written about PCOS really refers only to those who are overweight. They bear the greatest burden of the condition and it is important that there is adequate information available about their problems. However, different women with the diagnosis of PCOS may have different problems and different needs.

My approach to PCOS is to separately consider each of the 4 features that can be associated with the condition.

First are skin and hair effects of testosterone: hair loss, acne, and increased facial and body hair. For women with the slender form of PCOS these are usually the primary concern.

Second is ovarian dysfunction, usually shown by irregular periods. In general, a normal cycle is between 3 1/2 and 5 1/2 weeks between periods. Longer (or, less often, shorter) intervals suggest an underlying hormonal condition. PCOS is the most common, but not the only, cause of infrequent periods. PCOS. In severe PCOS, there may be only 1 or 2 periods a year, and these may last for several weeks.

For slender women who have normal cycles but skin and hair changes, PCOS is a doubtful diagnosis.

The other features of PCOS are difficulty controlling weight and insulin resistance. High insulin levels are usual in overweight women with PCOS but uncommon in the slender form of the condition.

While anovulation is one of the features of PCOS, estrogen levels vary greatly in women who do not ovulate regularly. Especially in those who are overweight, or have very heavy periods when they do come, estrogen levels tend to be high. In slender women with PCOS it is common that estrogen levels are low. Low estrogen levels in this situation need to be addressed because of possible increased risk of osteoporosis, and even heart disease.

Estrogen deficiency prior to age 45 or 50 is associated with increased cardiovascular risk; abnormally low levels should be treated with hormone replacement, either an oral contraceptive or estrogen and progesterone. This treatment reduces health risk. The research on estrogen risks after menopause does not apply to estrogen deficient younger women.

Because progesterone protects the uterus against endometrial cancer, the lack of progesterone caused by anovulation creates an increased risk. The simplest way to address this situation is use of an oral contraceptive. For women who cannot take the pill, progesterone itself, taken for 12 consecutive days each month is an alternative.

Each woman with PCOS deserves to have her individual situation regarding estrogen and progesterone worked out, and treatment decided according. All women with PCOS are NOT alike. There is effective treatment for all women with PCOS, but no one treatment that is right for all women with this unfortunately very common condition.

Geoffrey Redmond MD[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

:agree: I actually think this is like autism and Lou Gehrig's disease where we are looking at several different diseases/conditions that are huddling under one umbrella and it's really confusing everything. I think we have to use different guidelines when you are thin with PCOS and thus I would not recommend some things for you like Metformin that others may benefit from.

[atomic sagebrush]

On what CD do you think Oed last month? You said you took it CD2-6 but had NOT Oed by CD16? How long was the cycle? How long are your usual cycles, not on Clomid?

What CD are you on currently?

Clomid CAN cause the uterine lining to thin I some women but it is not common in women under 38 or so. How old are you?

Maybe you should ask for Femara, as it doesn't have the potential thin lining effect?

:agree: also not common on first cycle on Clomid. I am wondering if something else may be going on here. Have you ever been tested for fibroids?

[atomic sagebrush]

I definitely think something is up hormonally with those long cycles, maybe PCOS? I think 50mg Clomid is just too low a dose for you thus why you didn't O until so late. But you had a nice long LP so I doubt your uterine lining was thin on Clomid. I just really think you need 100mg to O in a timely manner. I would consider telling your dr about your past clomid cycle so that he will give you 100mg now, otherwise you could very likely have another long cycle on 50mg. Good luck to you!

Excellent point, if the LP was long that makes me question bad lining OR low estrogen

[atomic sagebrush]

Just read the short hand of that sperm meets egg plan and it says to bd every other day? Bd every other night Sways blue? I want to sway pink.
If bding every 4th day what do you start the day af has gone?

I had a letter from fertility clinic saying my treat
Ment plan will be provea on Friday followed by clomid and if I'm not over stimulated then it's going to be timed bd.

Does this mean they will be telling me to use a condom until they know if I o'd?
Even if I can't bd does DH need to release every 4 days?

SMEP is for people who are ready to get pregnant. Yes, it may sway blue, but because it's used so much by people with fertility issues, it is absoutely possible to get a girl while doing it.

The reason I recommended SMEP in that other thread is because I want for people to do EITHER pink friendly sway tactics OR SMEP. I do not want you guys going over old sways or obsessing over some "perfect" frequency that will BOTH sway pink and also boost odds of conception. There is NO WAY to do that. It is either/or. Either do a pink tactic or do SMEP. The inbetweens, both sway blue and also don't help you get pregnant anyway. NOT WORTH IT. Do pink tactics like one attempt at positive, or e4d, or else do SMEP if you want to get pregnant.

Yes DH needs to be releaseing every 2-4 days. They are NOT telling you to use a condom!!!!!!! Provera will make you have a bleed that acts like a period and then youll take the Clomid. This is exactly waht I would have expected and agree this is best course of action (and actually quite happy as in the UK often they won't give Provera, I don't know why)

[atomic sagebrush]

Why is she putting you on the pill? Did you tell her you're in a hurry to TTC? Honestly the Clomid would take care of the lining, there's no reason you couldn't start it immediately.

I agree totally but it's because the doctors in the United Kingdom have either never heard of Provera or have some phobia about it.

I have no explanation other than that I have seen about 500 gals who had legit medical need for Provera who would have been given in in US, Canada, Europe, or Australia, not getting Provera for no reason whatsoever. And when asked about it some docs had never even heard of it. ???????

[maidentomother]

Yep US drs are way more prescription happy generally, with all meds.

[Beautifulrainbow]

I agree totally but it's because the doctors in the United Kingdom have either never heard of Provera or have some phobia about it.

I have no explanation other than that I have seen about 500 gals who had legit medical need for Provera who would have been given in in US, Canada, Europe, or Australia, not getting Provera for no reason whatsoever. And when asked about it some docs had never even heard of it. ???????


When I first started getting checked out when that cycle at the start of the year went on for 3 months, I asked my gp for something to reset my cycle. Her response was "yes I can give you something to cause a bleed but it won't be a real af do no point giving it to you"
The private doc did start saying " I did say last week if your hubby's sample came back normal then we will start you on provea today with a course of 50mg clomid" then I butted in and said I already took 50mg , that's when doc looked through my last af when I o'd did another Scan to see how thin my lining had gone then said she wanted me to go on bcp for 21 days.


Never though I could have fibroids, no doctor has ever mentioned it. scans show only cysts on my ovaries on the right 1 more than left. And I don't get any pain and light, I had heard fibroids make your af painful and heavy, hat how you know you have it. My best friend and her sister both suffer from it. They are reciving extra tests and I've now.

[Beautifulrainbow]

Atomic please read my next thread as I'm asking if it's worth buying a plan

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/53273-worth-atomic.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Yep US drs are way more prescription happy generally, with all meds.

This seems to be unique with the Provera. I am not sure if it's something in British med schools or what but we've had a terrible time getting Provera for my UK swayers even when it was completely medically indicated.

European doctors seem to be the most free with the scrips, then US/Aus. in about equal ratio, UK bringing up the rear. :) At least for fertility stuff.

[atomic sagebrush]

When I first started getting checked out when that cycle at the start of the year went on for 3 months, I asked my gp for something to reset my cycle. Her response was "yes I can give you something to cause a bleed but it won't be a real af do no point giving it to you"
The private doc did start saying " I did say last week if your hubby's sample came back normal then we will start you on provea today with a course of 50mg clomid" then I butted in and said I already took 50mg , that's when doc looked through my last af when I o'd did another Scan to see how thin my lining had gone then said she wanted me to go on bcp for 21 days.


Never though I could have fibroids, no doctor has ever mentioned it. scans show only cysts on my ovaries on the right 1 more than left. And I don't get any pain and light, I had heard fibroids make your af painful and heavy, hat how you know you have it. My best friend and her sister both suffer from it. They are reciving extra tests and I've now.

Well, fibroids develop over the course of time and 50-70% of all women develop them. Many times if they're small, they cause few/no symptoms and docs don't really even mention them if they see them in scans.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic please read my next thread as I'm asking if it's worth buying a plan

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/53273-worth-atomic.html

Oh gosh I read that thread but I"m not sure I picked up on the plan aspect.

I feel weird telling people to buy plans. I have people buy them at the last minute all the time and I just change the plan accordingly and so I can absolutely do a plan for anyone who needs it, but I just feel weird about it. It does come with the coaching where I answer your posts first and every day, but it's totally up to you if you want to buy one. If you think you can use it, I can absolutely do a plan for you.