My light girl sway - feel free to make suggestions

[familymatters]

So, I have been following the LE diet very loosely for about 6 weeks, the Christmas period really mucked me around though. However the flip side is I have indulged in lots of alcohol and low nutrient foods along the way!

I get one shot at this in Feb, as I have three children born in Dec/Jan my hubby has said no way are we having another born around that time, so if I don't conceive in Feb then we won't be able to resume trying until June, and to tell you the truth I'm worried DH will change his mind about another baby by then [emoji1]

So my diet looks like this:
- No breakfast, no snacking
- White bread salad sandwich for lunch
- high carb dinner, usually pasta or potatoes with veggies (zuccini usually) a little protein (I haven't had the will power to go meat free)
- no exercise whatsoever (I haven't been able to find the time or motivation lol)
- lots of caffeine and coke zero and a fair bit of alcohol

I am currently on the Mirena with AF due 8th Feb. So I plan on having it removed around the 15th Feb, and then having my one shot at the first sign of a positive OPK. It's very hard for me to accept that dtd so close to ovulation is OK for a girl sway (as I conceived my girl 3 days before ovulation), but reading this site it seems clear it is OK and has more to do with frequency (which makes sense too, my boys were conceived by numerous attempts during O).

I will be using Sylk as I have low CM. I used preseed til the cows came home when I conceived my boys (not knowing it swayed blue) and I didn't use anything when I conceived my DD.

I am also thinking about taking baby aspirin up until O. Otherwise I don't have any other supplements I plan on taking. I could take antihistamines as I have a box of them in the cupboard but no one seems that keen on them anymore in here so I don't know if I'll bother?

Is there anything else I can do that is fairly easy to incorporate? Also is it OK to have full cream milk in my coffee? I don't have any dairy in my diet otherwise.

Thanks [emoji8]

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[sunnygirl]

This is only based on what I've read here I'm by no means an expert) The mirena removed just prior to attempt, breakfast skipping, caffeine, alcohol and no snacking will be in your favour. Have you thought about getting DH to take olive leaf, peppermint tea and alcohol in weeks leading up to sway? Also I think one of the biggest sway factors would be dropping weight leading up to o and in 2ww......even if it is a pound or two. And try in-Martha-ing is letting go of control of things you'd ordinarily like to obsess over or control as much as possible. Good luck with your sway!

[familymatters]

Thanks sunnygirl, I'll not have a problem getting hubby to drink alcohol lol! Should I drink peppermint tea too?

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[sunnygirl]

Only take peppermint tea if you are not taking saw palmeto and make sure you stop taking peppermint tea/SP the day before ovulation (incase it causes birth defects I think)

[atomic sagebrush]

please bump this for me out of time today

[1moregirl]

So, I have been following the LE diet very loosely for about 6 weeks, the Christmas period really mucked me around though. However the flip side is I have indulged in lots of alcohol and low nutrient foods along the way!

I get one shot at this in Feb, as I have three children born in Dec/Jan my hubby has said no way are we having another born around that time, so if I don't conceive in Feb then we won't be able to resume trying until June, and to tell you the truth I'm worried DH will change his mind about another baby by then [emoji1]

So my diet looks like this:
- No breakfast, no snacking
- White bread salad sandwich for lunch
- high carb dinner, usually pasta or potatoes with veggies (zuccini usually) a little protein (I haven't had the will power to go meat free)
- no exercise whatsoever (I haven't been able to find the time or motivation lol)
- lots of caffeine and coke zero and a fair bit of alcohol

I am currently on the Mirena with AF due 8th Feb. So I plan on having it removed around the 15th Feb, and then having my one shot at the first sign of a positive OPK. It's very hard for me to accept that dtd so close to ovulation is OK for a girl sway (as I conceived my girl 3 days before ovulation), but reading this site it seems clear it is OK and has more to do with frequency (which makes sense too, my boys were conceived by numerous attempts during O).

I will be using Sylk as I have low CM. I used preseed til the cows came home when I conceived my boys (not knowing it swayed blue) and I didn't use anything when I conceived my DD.

I am also thinking about taking baby aspirin up until O. Otherwise I don't have any other supplements I plan on taking. I could take antihistamines as I have a box of them in the cupboard but no one seems that keen on them anymore in here so I don't know if I'll bother?

Is there anything else I can do that is fairly easy to incorporate? Also is it OK to have full cream milk in my coffee? I don't have any dairy in my diet otherwise.

Thanks [emoji8]

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Wow! You are aiming for the same thing as I am - a second little girl to finish the family. Your sway looks really good, although I'm not sure that Atomic likes the use of antihistamines either. Maybe you could just have one on the day of your attempt? Also, I was advised against using Sylk and encouraged to use a tiny amount of preseed for my girl sway attempt (which I haven't done just yet), yet I see you used that last times and got your boys. How much did you use then? A lot? I'm not sure, but I think Sylk can cut your odds of conception? I'm sure Atomic will correct if any of my info is not accurate. Good luck. I hope you get your second girl, and me too. :)

[sunnygirl]

Bump ��

[familymatters]

Thanks 1moregirl. When are you planning your sway attempt? I know what you're saying re: Sylk, but I'd almost rather use nothing than use preseed, it would make me so nervous to use it!!!

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[atomic sagebrush]

While normally I do recommend getting Mirena out right before TTC, I am actually kind of nervous that you may not ovulate till too late and miss Feb. all together. I realize the appt. is probably set by this point but just letting you know my concern.

Do you have nutrient totals? Remember, it isn't NO everything, it's low everything - you need 40-50 g protein and 30-60 g fat and I can't tell by your foods listed if you are doing that. Also, you need to NOT count the nutrients in things like zucchini so you need to be getting enough without the amounts in zuch. and similar low carb veg.

Just in case you haven't seen it, the scientific case against timing is here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html Sometimes it helps to have it all laid out for you. I have 4 timing opposites so it is real easy for me to not believe in it. Ordinarily, I'd say that you could start off with giving it a try, but when you may only have a month, I really don't recommend doing timing as it cuts odds of conception.

Sylk and antihistamine both also cut odds of conception and in our results, appear to be totally neutral, with the same number of people getting girls both with and without them, the same % as the overall results of the site. Thus, I'd not have you use either of them. Sylk DOESN'T help with low CM. It's actually worse than nothing. If you do need a vaginal lubricant for comfy intercourse that is one thing and you can use a small amount, OR you could use a small amount of Preseed (small amounts appear neutral). A big glob of Sylk may prevent pregnancy for you especially when you don't ahve a whole lot of EWCM going on.

Baby aspirin is another thing that has been neutral results for us and the side effects and risks turned out to be a lot worse than we first anticipated, so I'd leave it out. Isn't working at all and riskeir than we like to see. If you MUST use it, no more than 3x a week, then at BFP gradually wean off it. (or BFN for that matter, don't stop it cold turkey)

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks sunnygirl, I'll not have a problem getting hubby to drink alcohol lol! Should I drink peppermint tea too?

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I don't like you guys doing pep tea coming off hormonal BC because it seems to make it take a LOOONG time to ovulate (which would be a dealbreaker for you_

[familymatters]

Wonderful, OK no antihistamine, asprin or peppermint tea. I think I'll just use the tiniest amount of Sylk to make things comfortable. Re: mirena removal, I could potentially have it removed before AF this month, would that be better do you think? To be honest it's more important to give myself the best chance of swaying girl, although hubby will be cranky with March I don't care. So if having the mirena out after AF is better for swaying girl (even if it delays O) then I'm happy with that!

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[Princess Mom]

Hi! I am also TTC my second girl to complete my family, my DD is 6 and really wants a sister since I got pregnant with my DS who just turned 2. I am already TTC and hoping it worked this month lol, I agree with no Antihistamine
LE Diet, cardio, alcohol, and 1 attempt in fertile window is great sway results. It is currently what I'm aiming for and been doing minus cardio, im under weight.
Best of luck to you!!

[Princess Mom]

Also, I had mirena For 4 years, and I got pregnant after one period from removal, which was a super light period and still got pregnant and had a miscarriage around 5 week. I did get pregnant again the following month with my youngest my DS, but just be careful, some women off mirena and getting pregnant really quickly isn't recommended, but every women is different.
Just be sure to take folic acid I'm sure you'll do fine.

Staying on the diet I think is most important

[familymatters]

Hi Princess Mom, yes I know what you're saying, I have also heard of women having miscarriages soon after the Mirena removal. I guess I'm hoping that if I do get pregnant the first month then hopefully I'll be lucky and not experience a miscarriage. When will you POAS? Fingers crossed your sway worked xx

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[atomic sagebrush]

Sooner to have Mirena removed means sooner to ovulate. I do think even a week or two could def. make the difference in getting in with a Feb. attempt.

We do not have the type of data to say in terms of your sway. I think it would sway pink regardless.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Princess Mom, yes I know what you're saying, I have also heard of women having miscarriages soon after the Mirena removal. I guess I'm hoping that if I do get pregnant the first month then hopefully I'll be lucky and not experience a miscarriage. When will you POAS? Fingers crossed your sway worked xx

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:agree: people do have losses anyway, of course. I have seen plenty of successful pregnancies coming off Mirena so I wouldn't overhink this too much

[familymatters]

Thanks everyone - especially Atomic - I appreciate the advice. I'll keep you updated if/when things happen 😨

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[1moregirl]

I'm so pleased I'm not the only one trying for a second little girl. I was starting to feel like a greedy guts over here. Lol!

Princess Mom - I hope you get your second little girl. Did you say you haven't done any cardio this time as you're a bit underweight? I'm in similar position. I love exercising but I can't afford to lose any weight either.

Family matters - good luck to you also. I hope you get your second little girl. It's wonderful having one of each gender but would be even better to have two of each gender I think. :)

[1moregirl]

Thanks 1moregirl. When are you planning your sway attempt? I know what you're saying re: Sylk, but I'd almost rather use nothing than use preseed, it would make me so nervous to use it!!!

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Hi Familymatters. Wow! I just saw that you are in Melbourne. So am I. Lol! I was hoping for our attempt to be this coming weekend, but that is if I can convince my DH in time. If not, it will be the following cycle. I am in my early 40s so I don't have time on my side to sit around waiting for too long. Originally my DH had agreed to just ONE try but then a week ago he changed his mind. I'm hoping to change it again though. I've been doing the Atomic Fertility Diet the best I can, taking Coq10 and 2000mcg folic acid. And I'm hoping to BD every 2-3 days with condom and the one big shot one the day of pos OPK. I'm just doing a relaxed sway this time as last year in June I did a full on IG sway and got pregnant but then had a traumatic miscarriage in August. Anyway, good luck to you. When are you doing your first go?

[familymatters]

Hi Familymatters. Wow! I just saw that you are in Melbourne. So am I. Lol! I was hoping for our attempt to be this coming weekend, but that is if I can convince my DH in time. If not, it will be the following cycle. I am in my early 40s so I don't have time on my side to sit around waiting for too long. Originally my DH had agreed to just ONE try but then a week ago he changed his mind. I'm hoping to change it again though. I've been doing the Atomic Fertility Diet the best I can, taking Coq10 and 2000mcg folic acid. And I'm hoping to BD every 2-3 days with condom and the one big shot one the day of pos OPK. I'm just doing a relaxed sway this time as last year in June I did a full on IG sway and got pregnant but then had a traumatic miscarriage in August. Anyway, good luck to you. When are you doing your first go?

I tried to PM you but you don't seem to have that function enabled on your profile. Another Aussie - a Melbournian to be precise - how fab! I have always hoped and dreamed of 2 girls and 2 boys. I too felt guilty/greedy for this with so many women just dreaming of having one DD (let alone two), but to be honest i think it's got a lot to do with my wish to give my DD a sister. I had one brother, and he has never been interested in a relationship with me, unlike my closest girlfriends who all have the most amazing relationships with their sisters.

I'm sorry to learn of your miscarriage, that can't have been easy, especially after putting in so some effort with a hardcore sway. I am not going gangbusters with this sway because it's not in my nature. When I conceived my DD (she was an accident) it was when we DTD just once, about 3-4 days before O. I had a boy friendly diet back then, but I drank a lot of alcohol and had a bit of a party lifestyle (I was 25), so I'm sure that helped girl sway. When I conceived my boys I had the perfect boy friendly diet (loads of snacking, breakfast every morning, minimal caffeine, no alcohol, heaps and heaps of protein etc) plus because I wanted to make sure we fell pregnant that month, we DTD every second day from the end of AF and then once near O we dtd every day! So so much b'ing, hubby was in heaven lol. So yeah no wonder I got two boys!

So this sway I'll just have the one attempt. Have you considered clomid? I'm on the fence about whether to try it? But seeing as though we have one chance in Feb I'm thinking maybe I should take it, just so I make sure I O' after the mirena removal?

[maidentomother]

I'd definitely try to get Clomid familymatters! Love your avatar btw.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you are older than 38 you need to have your FSH tested before getting Clomid, just wanted to be clear on that

[maidentomother]

Ahh in that case go for Femara, it's much better for older women than Clomid as atomic pointed out. I didn't realise your age.

[familymatters]

I'm 31 next week. My one concern about Clomid is twins! I'm still unsure what to do. I could handle 4 kids, not sure about 5 lol

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[maidentomother]

Femara has a greatly reduced risk of multiples.

[1moregirl]

I'm 31 next week. My one concern about Clomid is twins! I'm still unsure what to do. I could handle 4 kids, not sure about 5 lol

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Familymatters - you are just 31? Oh man...you're a spring chicken you lucky thing! Lol! I wish I could be in my 30's again (with the same DH and kids of course). Hahaha! When is your attempt coming up?

[familymatters]

Familymatters - you are just 31? Oh man...you're a spring chicken you lucky thing! Lol! I wish I could be in my 30's again (with the same DH and kids of course). Hahaha! When is your attempt coming up?

Lol well I don't feel like a spring chicken, but I do feel like if we want a fourth kid it's better to do it now than wait!

Did you have your attempt this week? Have you been good on your diet? I have been doing quite well on my diet but I have to admit I'm hungry. I know you're not supposed to be hungry but the no snacking rule is very hard for me.

I have an appointment with my gp tomorrow to have my Mirena removed... Hopefully she can find the strings. Peoole say you should be abke to feel them but ive never been able to. If not then I will have to go to a gyno and that might set me back another month. That would be quite disappointing.

[familymatters]

I am now officially mirena-less 😂😂 things are starting to get real. I'm getting a bit nervous!

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[atomic sagebrush]

good luck!

[1moregirl]

Familymatters - when are due for your attempt? Lol...I feel like a spring chicken and look younger for my age (or so I am told) yet am 44 still. Hehehe. I haven't done any attempts. My DH agreed to just one try and then changed his mind again saying, "Why do I want to risk conceiving a child I don't want?" Yet I know he would love it once it was here. Bloody men! And today at CD 18 I have finally gotten my first pos OPK for this cycle so tonight would be the perfect night for an attempt. :( yet it will prob be another wasted cycle as he will insist on wearing his 'rain gear'.

[familymatters]

Familymatters - when are due for your attempt? Lol...I feel like a spring chicken and look younger for my age (or so I am told) yet am 44 still. Hehehe. I haven't done any attempts. My DH agreed to just one try and then changed his mind again saying, "Why do I want to risk conceiving a child I don't want?" Yet I know he would love it once it was here. Bloody men! And today at CD 18 I have finally gotten my first pos OPK for this cycle so tonight would be the perfect night for an attempt. :( yet it will prob be another wasted cycle as he will insist on wearing his 'rain gear'.

Oh no!!! You finally got a pos OPK and now he's having second thoughts? My hubby is very sentimental. So whenever I can see him waivering I pull out old photos/videos of the kids as babies and show them to him. Also, get him to watch One Born Every Minute with you, this works like a treat for me! We watched an episode last night that had DH in tears 😁 to be honest I know 4 kids will be challenging, but I keep telling hubby to keep the future in mind. A big family around the Christmas dinner table, lots of grandkids.... It's so much more than just another little person to look after and feed.

I am on about CD 4-5, having had my Mirena out a few days before AF meants AF came a bit early. My bleeding is weird so it will be interesting to see when I stop bleeding and when I O. If it was textbook I should be having our attempt around 20-23rd Feb. I have to admit I'm so nervous. I also get quite bad morning sickness so I'm extra nervous about that.

I'm trying to relax because I know it's better for a pink sway but I'm feeling like I'm slightly obsessing over it all 😂

Well I'm wishing you the best of luck for tonight then!!!!!


Familymatters - when are due for your attempt? Lol...I feel like a spring chicken and look younger for my age (or so I am told) yet am 44 still. Hehehe. I haven't done any attempts. My DH agreed to just one try and then changed his mind again saying, "Why do I want to risk conceiving a child I don't want?" Yet I know he would love it once it was here. Bloody men! And today at CD 18 I have finally gotten my first pos OPK for this cycle so tonight would be the perfect night for an attempt. :( yet it will prob be another wasted cycle as he will insist on wearing his 'rain gear'.


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[Inforthree]

Hi familymatters - I'll be getting my mirena out before my attempt too. Have you thought about doing an attempt every 4 days in case the opks aren't accurate right after removal? I think that's what I'm going to do.

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[familymatters]

Hi familymatters - I'll be getting my mirena out before my attempt too. Have you thought about doing an attempt every 4 days in case the opks aren't accurate right after removal? I think that's what I'm going to do.

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Hi inforthree! I asked atomic a few questions about the Mirena ages ago, and she suggested to BD at the first sign of a pos OPK. However it's different for everyone. Why are you afraid the OPKs won't be accurate after removal? I had my mirena taken out a day or so before AF was due, so I'm hoping I'll O as per normal (which for me is anywhere between CD 20-23). I'd be devastated though if I didn't O this month!!!

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[Inforthree]

You know I'll have to check my plan. My plan recommended every 4 days until first AF after mirena, I thought it was because I might miss o with the opks. I'll check.

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[atomic sagebrush]

You know I'll have to check my plan. My plan recommended every 4 days until first AF after mirena, I thought it was because I might miss o with the opks. I'll check.

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There is almost always more than one reason I recommend e4d right out of the starting gate so it was more than just that IFT. Without going and looing at your old questionnaires I cannot tell you but PLEASE just do what is in the plan, the plans outweigh stuff in the forums. I make the plans for you guys with all your info in front of me all at the same time and it all stands together (so because I recommended X, then I recommend Z, instead of Y) , instead of a question here or there in the forum with people who may not even be in the same situation as you or who have different sets of recommendations all put together.