TTC BOY! Need Atomic help regarding HE diet

[Dreaming blue]

Hello All,

I am very much confused with Shettle's one attempt and multiple attempts during fertile window.
Also seeking for vegetarian HE diet as planning TTC in feb 2016.


Need lots of blue dust!:bluesperm:

Mommy of 3 year :DD:

[Beau82]

I'm not sure what the Shettles "rules" are but I got all four of my boys with multiple attempts during the fertile window so I'm convinced that's how you get a boy.
I can't help with the diet, sorry :confused:

[familymatters]

I got my two boys (before I knew about swaying) by eating lots of nutrient rich veggies (broccoli, spinach), red meat, oily fish, avocado, eggs. I snacked a lot in between meals and then hubby and I dtd every second day after AF ended, so LOTS of attempts throughout the month. So I basically did everything right to sway blue 😂

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[atomic sagebrush]

DB I have your questionnaire and it will really help a lot for me to get you your plan.

Most of us have 2-3-4 or more Shettles opposites so it is easy for us to give that up. Timing doesn't sway, it's been totally debunked and you can read about it here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

But, if you really want to stick with Shettles, that is ok. Just have your husband release on his own or with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days starting as far in advance of your sway as is possible. Then, you will be taking OPK (unless you have a super regular cycle) and then you'd have three attempts, one at positive OPK (or day before expected O Day), again the next morning (O Day) and then again the following night (night of O Day.) These are all within Shettles window for blue and allows you to do timing but still have 3 attempts.

DO NOT have just one attempt for a boy!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not sure what the Shettles "rules" are but I got all four of my boys with multiple attempts during the fertile window so I'm convinced that's how you get a boy.
I can't help with the diet, sorry :confused:

:agree: there are about a bazillion of us who got boys with lots o attempts. :)

[Dreaming blue]

Thank you beau82 and familymatters!!
All my pink dust to you :baby:

[Dreaming blue]

Thank you so much Atomic! So today(Jan. 29) is my second day of AF and we will plan our first BD tomorrow then after every two days with condom. I have 34 days cycle and most probably my O day will be on Feb 14 or Feb 15(quarter moon).

Now could you please help me out when I will stop BDing before ovulation in number of days and when should start again. I really want my blue bundle and this is my last attempt.

I have Clear blue advanced OPK.

[Dreaming blue]

My diet as follows:
Banana, lots of coconut water, cereals with pumpkin seeds, raisins, walnuts, ACV, green tea, brocolli, sweet potato, 2 cups of milk(DHA omega3),lentils with whole wheat bread, pineapple, papaya etc.
Vitamins:
Royal jelly, vitamin E and folic acid (DW)
Fish oil and folic acid (DH)

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much Atomic! So today(Jan. 29) is my second day of AF and we will plan our first BD tomorrow then after every two days with condom. I have 34 days cycle and most probably my O day will be on Feb 14 or Feb 15(quarter moon).

Now could you please help me out when I will stop BDing before ovulation in number of days and when should start again. I really want my blue bundle and this is my last attempt.

I have Clear blue advanced OPK.

I did your plan Dreaming and this is covered in there but I'll just go over it again for others who are also wondering.

You have TWO options. If you really, really want to keep Shettles timing, you will wait for positive OPK (or the day before ovulation if you are not using OPK) and have an attempt that night (which is the day before O day) again the next morning (O Day) and then again that night (O Day.) So you'll have 3 attempts in a short window all of which coincide with Shettles. You would have your husband release on his own or with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days.

The other option is for people who are ok with giving up Shettles (which doesn't work and most of us have 2-3-4 or more timing opposites) for a possibly better chance of blue. Regular exposure to the hormones in your husband's semen may sway blue, so many people are instead having unprotected sex every 2-4 days, then still having the 3 attempts starting positive OPK/day before ovulation. So you'd have sex without condom every 2-4 days and then at positive OPK or the day before you expect ovulation, have attempt that night, again the next morning (O Day) and then the following night (O Day)

[atomic sagebrush]

My diet as follows:
Banana, lots of coconut water, cereals with pumpkin seeds, raisins, walnuts, ACV, green tea, brocolli, sweet potato, 2 cups of milk(DHA omega3),lentils with whole wheat bread, pineapple, papaya etc.
Vitamins:
Royal jelly, vitamin E and folic acid (DW)
Fish oil and folic acid (DH)

These types of foods are good, but I want you to be very sure you're getting protein and carbs at every meal and snack. A banana, or some pineapple, alone isn't enough, you need to have some protein with it. So if you were to have a banana and some walnuts that is great! Cereal with milk is great!

What are you having with the broccoli and the sweet potato?? They are good foods but you need to have something with protein. Do you eat eggs at all or not?? Tofu? Cheese? A couple times a week it is ok to have tofu. I often had sweet potato with cheese or peanut butter on top (I know it sounds terrible but it's actually good). If you have a lot of veg. curries with sweet potatoes and peas, the peas have protein in them.

I DO NOT want you doing ACV. ACV lowers blood sugar and I believe it sways pink. Some people have gotten away with using it for blue but it's only because they're eating all the time. Many of our opposites during the first year of our site, were in women doing ACV. I think it is too risky and I prefer you use the lemon water option I mention in your sway plan, instead.

[yoyo]

DB I have your questionnaire and it will really help a lot for me to get you your plan.

Most of us have 2-3-4 or more Shettles opposites so it is easy for us to give that up. Timing doesn't sway, it's been totally debunked and you can read about it here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

But, if you really want to stick with Shettles, that is ok. Just have your husband release on his own or with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days starting as far in advance of your sway as is possible. Then, you will be taking OPK (unless you have a super regular cycle) and then you'd have three attempts, one at positive OPK (or day before expected O Day), again the next morning (O Day) and then again the following night (night of O Day.) These are all within Shettles window for blue and allows you to do timing but still have 3 attempts.

DO NOT have just one attempt for a boy!!

What do you mean by 'as far in advance as possible'? Do you just mean every 2-4 days after AF is done? Or should he releasing following this pattern during AF?

[atomic sagebrush]

I mean he needs to be "cleaning the pipes" regularly starting literally as far in advance as possible. Months. Years. Decades (ok maybe that is stretching it a little). If at all possible he should NOT wait till the month of your planned attempt, he should certainly not wait till after AF in the month you plan to attempt, he should be aiming to do this level of release all along.

Sperm take a minimum of 72 days to form and by having him do this regular release, his body will be making nice amounts of healthy sperm and ejaculating any unhealthy, aging sperm regularly.

It is ok if he has a bad day or week now and then, misses a release, whatever, you're just aiming for an overall trend.

[yoyo]

Oh pants. .. so that's not been happening! Not sure how I managed to over look this issue. I was under (wrong ) impression the 2-4 release could start after AF.... is this a big factor?

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't have the information to be able to know that for sure. Has he not been releasing at all???

[farmgirl33]

Oh crap we've been slacking off in the tww. Dh has been flat out & on average in the tww we've probably only been bding/releasing twice a week.


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[yoyo]

It's been very variable, his busy job means bd can be anywhere from x3 a week to every 2 weeks! Usually more like once a week, was due to try to start from tomorrow. .. guess I'll have to postpone and hope the 2-4 day pattern will be ok for a month. Would it better to go for every 2 days? Thanks

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh crap we've been slacking off in the tww. Dh has been flat out & on average in the tww we've probably only been bding/releasing twice a week.


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Twice a week is still really every 4 days-ish, no worries

[atomic sagebrush]

It's been very variable, his busy job means bd can be anywhere from x3 a week to every 2 weeks! Usually more like once a week, was due to try to start from tomorrow. .. guess I'll have to postpone and hope the 2-4 day pattern will be ok for a month. Would it better to go for every 2 days? Thanks

Don't postpone, this is just one little thing. I would just do what you can from here on in.

[Dreaming blue]

So BDing on positive opk night(two attempts) after 6 days of cut-off then on O day night(two shots) again the next morning after getting negative Opk. I hope we didn't messed up with timing.

- All attempts with pre-seed
- 6 day cut-off because of late ovulation around on CD22

[atomic sagebrush]

Next time (if there is a next time) I'd not let him go 6 days without a release.

If it was really the day after O day the egg was either dead or fertilized by then and it didn't count. But still good attempts!

[Throwaway_panther]

I mean he needs to be "cleaning the pipes" regularly starting literally as far in advance as possible. Months. Years. Decades (ok maybe that is stretching it a little). If at all possible he should NOT wait till the month of your planned attempt, he should certainly not wait till after AF in the month you plan to attempt, he should be aiming to do this level of release all along.

Sperm take a minimum of 72 days to form and by having him do this regular release, his body will be making nice amounts of healthy sperm and ejaculating any unhealthy, aging sperm regularly.

It is ok if he has a bad day or week now and then, misses a release, whatever, you're just aiming for an overall trend.

Haha, this is exactly the kind of info I like to know -- so since I'm not TTC for awhile, I do want to try and get this bit checked out in advance.

I've seen you recommend for blue that FR be sex, not just "personal release" or non-penetrative sex -- is that correct here? Or is him "taking care of himself" every few days for months in advance okay?

My DH has never had an issue, uh, feeling this need... but I was really upset when I found out he was FR himself right before we started trying and conceived a girl, so I'm trying to be conscious of what he can do when we DO start trying.

And of course, my worry if it's "only sex counts for blue" is that we're accidentally conceive before we're really swaying (or ready!) -- are condoms okay in FR?

[atomic sagebrush]

FR is not a blue tactic, it's a pink one. For blue we want REGULAR release (and I know what you meant TP but just to clarify for others).

I personally believe, and the data supports (and happy to elaborate if anyone wants me to) the idea that regular sex every 2-4 days, with ejaculation inside, sways blue. It is also very similar to what a lot of us did when we got our boys as well (barely any of us with 2-3-4 boys got them with one shot on O, just doesn't happen in the real world!!) Thus, I LOVE to see you guys doing that for TTC a boy.

BUT, that having been said, I know that a lot of swayers have a hard time giving up on Shettles. So, for those people, I understand that they may not want to do that and so I have them have hubby do regular release every 2-4 days, on his own or with you, with protection, and then stick with the 3 attemtps at or around positive OPK. This enables them to still stick with Shettles timing but getting the benefit of more than one attempt.

Condoms are allowed but I'd try to be sure you're getting the unlubed ones and using Preseed with them. Def. no spermicide condoms!!!

[Throwaway_panther]

FR is not a blue tactic, it's a pink one. For blue we want REGULAR release (and I know what you meant TP but just to clarify for others).

I personally believe, and the data supports (and happy to elaborate if anyone wants me to) the idea that regular sex every 2-4 days, with ejaculation inside, sways blue. It is also very similar to what a lot of us did when we got our boys as well (barely any of us with 2-3-4 boys got them with one shot on O, just doesn't happen in the real world!!) Thus, I LOVE to see you guys doing that for TTC a boy.

BUT, that having been said, I know that a lot of swayers have a hard time giving up on Shettles. So, for those people, I understand that they may not want to do that and so I have them have hubby do regular release every 2-4 days, on his own or with you, with protection, and then stick with the 3 attemtps at or around positive OPK. This enables them to still stick with Shettles timing but getting the benefit of more than one attempt.

Condoms are allowed but I'd try to be sure you're getting the unlubed ones and using Preseed with them. Def. no spermicide condoms!!!

Thank you (and whoops on my misspeak -- RR it is!)! Do condoms affect sperm quality then if I should focus on unlubed + still using preseed? Ahh, based on how fertile we both unexpectedly were when trying, I'm nervous for when we finally start trying... or if we unexpectedly conceive beforehand (hence my constant questions all over the place on here, haha!)

I wonder if regular sex every 4 days in general, AF or not, with maybe an extra one or two thrown in at ovulation is best for blue then?

[atomic sagebrush]

It's not the condoms per se it's the lubricants they put on them. The residue may linger and kill sperm from your unprotected attempts if you choose to do it with the condoms earlier in the cycle.

Yes, that's my preferred method for TTC a boy. DTD unprotected every 2-4 days and then 3 attempts if poss at or around pos OPK.

[atomic sagebrush]

oh and sex during AF is fine if you like that. Some do, some don't, it's at your guys' discretion.

[gojulieogo]

Just trying to clarify... when you say release every 2-4 days as far in advance as possible, is that *at least* or *no more than?*

DH is definitely a daily type of guy, and we're not planning on trying until November, but I can try to cut down on DTD now if that's important.

[atomic sagebrush]

Daily release may possibly sway pink because it lowers sperm numbers. The little guys just can't replenish fast enough, and for reasons we do not understand, higher sperm count sways blue.

[gojulieogo]

Hmmm... probably not gonna be able to get him to cut back until a month or so in advance... do you think that'll be enough or do I need to do a hard push for less frequent release ASAP?

[atomic sagebrush]

I think it's enough and I find that the more we ask them to do, the less they WILL do, so it's better to keep things like that as minimal and uninvasive as we can. :)