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1moregirl
February 3rd, 2016, 12:23 AM
I had my tummy and transvaginal scan today one by a gynaecologist and everything looked good he said. I really just wanted this done since I have had problems with diarrhoea and was concerned about ovarian or cervical cancers. Anyway, it all looked fine he said, but he told me he thought I'd just Oed. And I said, well that can't be right because I am only on CD 12 and I usually O on CD 16 or 17. I have never Oed earlier than CD14 in my life. However, it is odd because the day before yesterday I had a bit of EWCM so I did an OPK in the afternoon (a reliable brand one from the Chemist - Ovuplan) and it was a definite negative. I did one again this afternoon and it was a definite negative. I didn't do one yesterday. I usually have 2 days of positive OPKs before I O. I asked the doctor doing the scan what made him think I had ovulated and he replied that something looked "thick" and like I was mid-cycle. He did say that the machines can sometimes be wrong though. But I thought it was all very strange. Could it be possible that I sometimes O twice in one cycle? I thought I had some pain yesterday that felt like O pain but I dismissed it as some trapped wind somewhere because the pain kind of felt like I had to pass wind (sorry for tmi) and my O pains in the past have felt similar but stronger. I feel like something really weird is going on and am worried now. Could having more folic acid than usual cause an older Mum to O twice in one cycle? If I Oed yesterday, then we BD without a condom 4 and 5 days ago. I had marked only chart for CD 10 S for sticky as that's kinda what it seemed like. How confusing. And this doctor (gynae) even wants me to ring up and leave a message for him with the reception ladies if I get pos OPKs and O on CD 16 or 17, like I usually do (and was expecting this time as well). Has anyone heard of this sort of situation before?

nuthinbutpink
February 3rd, 2016, 07:22 AM
Did he see any large follicles present? What did your ovaries look like? You would need a progesterone test to know if you ovulated.

atomic sagebrush
February 3rd, 2016, 05:33 PM
Well, it's absolutely, certainly, totally and completely possible to O on CD 12 and it doesn't matter one whit to your body if it's always done this or that, it can change it at any time (and does LOL, trust me on that). I "always" O on CD 14 forever and ever and ever except for these two times and I got pregnant both those times!!!

Then again, sometimes they aren't accurate either reading the scans or doing them, and i've seen people have scans from the best clinics in the country where they were told they hadn't ovulated and wouldn't any time soon and then come up with a positive pregnancy test a few days later so it is possibe for them to misread the scan as well.

Regardless, there is ZERO reason to worry about ovulating on CD 12 vs CD 16. Both are normal, like how it can rain or snow in the winter.

The issue at hand is that you can both or either have a neg. opk and have ovulated, or have a posiive OPK when you aren't ovulating. So even if you do get a pos on CD 16, that doesn't necessarily mean you didn't already O.

You cannot and are not OIng twice in one cycle. Biologically impossible. I think he is more curious than anything and honesty I kind of like that in a doctor, as in that he is still trying to learn more about how it all works instead of just deciding, "well I learned this in doctor school and that's that"

atomic sagebrush
February 3rd, 2016, 05:34 PM
Did he see any large follicles present? What did your ovaries look like? You would need a progesterone test to know if you ovulated.

:agree: :agree: :agree: there is a reason why they rely on bloodwork and not scans!

maidentomother
February 3rd, 2016, 06:29 PM
It really sounds like he was just assuming based on the appearance of your lining and, possibly, he saw your corpus luteum cyst from last cycle's O and guessed it was from recent O. But since he didn't mention a cyst or your ovaries at all, I'm guessing it was just based on a nice triple layer uterine lining.

Since it sounds like he didn't look at your ovaries and he didn't do a blood test, he cannot know that you recently Oed or that you will soon or won't for several days. I would not assume that you've already Oed and I would guess that you will O after you get a positive OPK. I strongly suggest you start temping immediately if you want to have a good idea of when exactly you Oed this cycle.

He sounds like a nice dr but not necessarily super knowledgeable IMO.

1moregirl
February 3rd, 2016, 06:59 PM
Yes. He certainly didn't sound 100% certain that I had ovulated but wanted me to call and leave him a message if I get positive OPKs and the EWCM around that time as well to indicate O. He was a pretty old doctor so I would've thought he knew his stuff, and I guess that's what made me feel confused. I didn't even think to ask him about my ovaries and follicles. I got in there and had a mind blank I guess. I am seeing my doctor to get the results so I guess I can ask her any questions as well. I had another neg OPK test yesterday as well but will just keep testing once a day now. I do remember noting though some of what I thought was EWCM on CD 10 or 11 though and I remember thinking at the time how unusual this was since I'd only just finished my period a few days beforehand. Will be interesting to see then. The gynae doc also told me that going by my scan and what he was seeing he would be expecting me to get my period in about 10 days time. Interesting...I don't think I have this but there is such a thing as hyperovulation where women can ovulate more than once in one cycle.

maidentomother
February 4th, 2016, 06:56 AM
Yeah but with hyperO the eggs are usually released within hours of each other, not a week apart! I am a regular hyperOer myself and it's very rare that the eggs don't release very close together or even at the same time. It still counts as one O, even hyperOers don't O 'multiple times'. O happens just once per cycle, it's the number of eggs released at that time that can vary, not actual incidence of O.

atomic sagebrush
February 4th, 2016, 04:24 PM
Yes. He certainly didn't sound 100% certain that I had ovulated but wanted me to call and leave him a message if I get positive OPKs and the EWCM around that time as well to indicate O. He was a pretty old doctor so I would've thought he knew his stuff, and I guess that's what made me feel confused. I didn't even think to ask him about my ovaries and follicles. I got in there and had a mind blank I guess. I am seeing my doctor to get the results so I guess I can ask her any questions as well. I had another neg OPK test yesterday as well but will just keep testing once a day now. I do remember noting though some of what I thought was EWCM on CD 10 or 11 though and I remember thinking at the time how unusual this was since I'd only just finished my period a few days beforehand. Will be interesting to see then. The gynae doc also told me that going by my scan and what he was seeing he would be expecting me to get my period in about 10 days time. Interesting...I don't think I have this but there is such a thing as hyperovulation where women can ovulate more than once in one cycle.

So they say (about the hyperovulation) but I was actually lucky enough to get to talk to Dr. Potter about this and based on available research, he and I both concur that while there may occasionally be a thing where an ovary poops out an egg randomly possibly to get rid of it, it does NOT mean it it ovulation because the hormones aren't right. The egg is probably not fertilizable, the corpus lutuem won't form (or not correctly), and the lining would not support a pregnancy. So you need to interpret ovulation as NOT "egg emerges from ovary" but instead as a process in which an egg comes out that can be fertilized and end in conception.

Hyperovulation, real, true, hyperovulation, is within a very narrow window, 24 hours maximum and usually closer than that. ANY woman can have that, and it gets more common with age

I got my first son BD right after I got off AF. Was I ever shocked. :p That was when we were young and superhuman of course. ;)

atomic sagebrush
February 4th, 2016, 04:24 PM
Yeah but with hyperO the eggs are usually released within hours of each other, not a week apart! I am a regular hyperOer myself and it's very rare that the eggs don't release very close together or even at the same time. It still counts as one O, even hyperOers don't O 'multiple times'. O happens just once per cycle, it's the number of eggs released at that time that can vary, not actual incidence of O.

:agree: if the corpus luteum forms properly it inhibits the release of any other eggs.

1moregirl
February 4th, 2016, 07:14 PM
Thanks for explaining ladies. I got an almost positive OPK this morning but not quite as the second line was not 'as dark as or darker than' the control line. I am thinking I will get the positive tomorrow CD 15 or CD 16. I am just now worried as we haven't BD since CD 7 so what should I do ladies? We were meant to be BD every 3-4 days but it just hasn't happened this week due to being first week back to school (with 2 kids instead of 1) so we've all been exhausted.

atomic sagebrush
February 4th, 2016, 07:20 PM
BD when ya can, if ya can.

maidentomother
February 4th, 2016, 09:25 PM
I would definitely attempt as soon as you get a trur positive, if DHis willing! The BDing prior really doesn't matter much.

atomic, you explained the singular occurrence that is O regardless of number of eggs released soooo much better than I did, thank you!

1moregirl
February 5th, 2016, 08:19 PM
Thanks Atomic and Maiden. We BD last night, but with a condom. He was adamant about that (eye roll). I bought some new OPK tests yesterday from a pharmacy (forelife brand. I'd never heard of them til now) and took one this morning (not fmu) and it was negative, even though the second line was almost as dark as the control line, it's still considered negative. However, I do think O will be in next day or two as I have had lower back pains this morning and a bit crampy in tummy which is what I usually get before O. I'm really at the stage now where I am just sick of thinking about all of this and preparing for it and trying to talk DH into it and I just want to DO it and see what happens. If only fate would intervene and the bloody condom would just accidentally break or have a hole or something. ;) obviously I'm not going to do that as I really just want him to be on board for a try. I have also told him it may not even work. I may not even get pregnant or, if I did, it may end in another miscarriage. Yet I need to at least try one more time. I don't want to go to a fertility specialist or do HT because I've already been blessed with 3 children and I don't want to go to extreme lengths to have another baby. If it will be, it will be...if not, then I will accept that it was only ever in God's plan to bless with me 3 and I will then move on to the next phase in life of enjoying the kids a bit older and going back to work. Sorry for rambling on. I just don't have anyone else to talk to about all of this and DH doesn't really like to listen to it.

atomic sagebrush
February 5th, 2016, 08:41 PM
Ok. Just a thought, but have you ever heard of the story where the guy is in a flood and praying for God to save him and then 3 boats come along and he won't go on the boats, then he drowns and goes to heaven and he's like "God, Dude, seriously, what gives?" And God is like "I don't know what you want from me, man, I sent ya 3 boats." Well, it works the other way too sometimes where God is trying to tell us something (as in, hubby really, really isn't down with this) so maybe the plan is already in place, the signs are being sent from above, and you may be waving the boats by without getting the message, KWIM. YOU KNOW I totally understand and I have endless sympathy for ya, I really truly do, but you have to ask yourself is the marriage worth giving up over this. And for all I know, it is. As you know I was in somewhat of a similar position and at that point in time honestly if I'dve had to pick between marriage and baby it would have been a pretty tough decision (cause my marriage was rocky then and even though I really really really love my husband a lot, I wasn't sure how invested I was in saving it any more because it didn't feel a lot of the times like I could save it) and I was ok with chancing it. But if you have a good marriage otherwise, he's easy to live with and good father and blah blah blah...then you're gambling with something that you may not want to be. It just may be one of those times where you can't really have it all, you can't have both. :( I mean this from someone who really does totally understand. :heart:

more pink
February 5th, 2016, 09:22 PM
Wow Atomic that's exactly what I've been through I too wanted another girl a sister for my daughter and I did everything I could I mean gave it all to happen but it didn't happen !I had the same situation as 1 more girl DH was totally against it we had so many fights and arguments then I thought it's not worth it to gamble what I already have with something that might never happen in my case get another girl I got God's message im alot happier and content because we can't have it all in this life and literally counting my blessing for having at least a girl when u know other people are struggling to get pregnant. In my case Im 36 he's now 50 so it's his age that was the problem as he kept saying it's not fair for this this baby to have a very old father and he said that he might not live longer for this new baby. . Plus our family dynamics are already good why disturb and mess everything up so I respected his opinion and closed the baby chapter :-) felt so much relief as in no more testing no more what to eat when to ovulate blah blah
In your case your age I think plays a major factor for your husband not wanting another baby understandable . You have a family make up that a lot of people would love to have :-)
As Atomic mentioned maybe that's your sign that your DH doesn't want any more babies maybe that's the best decision you'll take by closing down the baby factory ;-) and get ready for the next chapter with your growing children :-)

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1moregirl
February 7th, 2016, 12:41 AM
Thanks Atomic and More Pink. I totally get what you are both saying but last time when I swayed I gave it everything I had and I was devastated when the pregnancy ended at 10 weeks. Its soooo hard when you are trying to teach your kids that if you've got a dream and you really want something badly you just there and make it happen. This last baby to me is a dream, I don't want anything else right now except for this so for me to give up on it right now is difficult. I have my heart set on one more try. If it ends the same as last time then I won't put myself and my family through it again. I will except it and move on but to not try again and forever wonder....I'm not easily defeated. If I want something badly enough and my heart is set on it, then I work really damn hard to make it happen. I want to be able to tell our little girl one day when she is older that yes honey...we really did try sooo hard to give you a sister but it didn't happen and you have two beautiful brothers to be thankful for as many kids out there don't have a brother or a sister. Der going to put it all on paper for DH to try and understand where I'm coming from. But thanks for the advice.

Faithinpink
February 7th, 2016, 01:41 AM
Hey 1moregirl I'm hearing ya , ((hugs)) maybe if you and your family can take a trip somewhere nice like country , soak up the nice fresh air and relax. Try and take a break from all the baby ideas atm .. Hug your husband tell him how much you appreciate him cause a unhappy man makes an unhappy home .
I know your hurting and I feel for you ... Take it easy xxxxxxx

atomic sagebrush
February 9th, 2016, 02:32 PM
keep us posted.

1moregirl
February 10th, 2016, 09:13 PM
Hasn't happened but I'm not giving up. :)