My first post. Three boys and would love a girl.

[Roma Rose]

Hello everyone. I've been lurking for a few weeks since finding out baby number 3 is going to be our third boy.

Way too early to think about planning a sway as I'm 20 weeks pregnant, but we were going to stop at 3 children, and now I'm finding myself contemplating 'just one more', so I can know I gave it my best shot at having a girl - if we end up with 4 boys, I will always know I tried my hardest and won't wonder about the possibility forever. I always considered having 4, just need to convince my OH, no easy task!

Reading these threads I already feel like I'm armed with so much useful info on swaying that I didn't have before. DS3 is a failed Shettles sway, BD 4 days before O (and I now realise timing is probably the least important factor after reading these forums!). Plus, it's clear I have a very boy friendly diet and lifestyle.

Since having DS2 I've suffered with PCOS symptoms - acne (never suffered before in my life), persistent hair loss from my head, and thick black hairs have started growing on my neck just under my chin - lovely stuff! I am an apple shape, with most of my extra weight concentrated around my middle. I didn't realise short luteal phase could be connected to PCOS before reading the threads here, but since having my first son I've had a very short luteal phase (I chalked it down to being breastfeeding-related but now thinking it was probably PCOS all along), needing to take vitex to have a cycle long enough to successfully conceive (DS2 and 3 were both conceived after 2 months of vitex and B6). I always thought I had low progesterone, but perhaps I should have been working to lower my testosterone levels rather than increasing progesterone. It feels like it's all clicking into place now.

As I'm pregnant, I'm not going to take any drastic action now, I want to try my hardest to focus on this baby and get more excited about meeting him. Then focus on potential swaying later down the track when my cycle has returned and perhaps I can get my Drs to test for PCOS (guessing you can't test during pregnancy as the hormone levels are different?). But in the meantime I will be here reading and getting as much info as possible to put myself in a good position to sway pink in a few years.

Would love to here from anyone in a similar position with high testosterone / PCOS / boy heavy family, as I am sure you will have some tips for me that I haven't even thought of!

[Beau82]

Hi and welcome!
I'm sorry I can't help with the PCOS stuff but I just wanted to say hello :wave:
I joined when my youngest boy was only a couple of months old but I did the same as you, just lurked around gathering information since I wasn't ready to get pregnant again so soon after #4. I feel like you, I will be totally happy if #5 is a boy as long as I know I tried my hardest to sway for a girl. I think if we don't try one more time, I'll always wonder, you know?

Anyway! Congratulations on your boy and I hope the rest of your pregnancy goes smoothly. I'm sure you'll find lots of info regarding PCOS from the other ladies here.

[Roma Rose]

Thanks for saying hi! Yes, that's exactly how I feel, I don't want to wonder forever. Really looking forward to meeting my boy, but at the same time still processing the "never having a girl" feelings, as this was meant to be third and final no matter what.

[atomic sagebrush]

Congrats on your new addition Roma and good luck convincing hubby!!! Just remember, 4 of a kind is a winning hand, and then if it's a girl, it's just the cherry on the sundae. :)

WE have OUTSTANDING results with our PCOS swayers with about 75% getting girls even after 3,4,5 boys. :agree: I concur totally with your analysis of the situation that you have if not full blown PCOS, at the least, tendencies in that direction and I'd have you on the alt. diets. B6 has seemed strongly blue for us and just cutting that out may really help.

I would also consider, if you can get a diagnosis, trying to get some Clomid, it's very good for pink and also is indicated for women with long cycles with short LP.

[Roma Rose]

Hi Atomic,

Yes, I was looking through the spreadsheets and noted the 75% girl rate for people with PCOS - that's quite a good stat!

If we go for number 4, it won't be until number 3 is at least 18 months old - takes my cycles a long time to return to 'normal'. Planning to sign up to a plan maybe 6 months after baby 3 is here to give myself a year plus of preparation time. In the meantime concentrate on losing a couple of stone and eating a more PCOS-friendly diet now that I'm 90% certain that is what I have been suffering with since having my first baby six years ago (It's all making sense now - the weight gain, horrendous acne, unwanted hair, short cycles, multiple early miscarriages unless taking vitex and B6, not to mention conceiving three boys!)

I'm in the UK, and I think the only option of being prescribed clomid is to get my GP to refer to a fertility specialist. There are really long waits for this and having three kids already it would be incredibly difficult to get a GP to see this as any sort of priority. On top of that, I'll probably still be breastfeeding (have been when conceived my second and third babies) and I don't think fertility specialists will deal with you unless you've stopped BF. So I don't fancy my chances of getting Clomid! If it turns out I'm insulin resistant, I might look into metformin for controlling the PCOS, as I know this can sway too.

Otherwise I'm hoping perhaps just controlling testosterone levels with diet and weight loss might just be enough to return my luteal phase to long enough to sustain a pregnancy without needing any extra 'boost' from the vitex or B6.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you can get to Spain, some of our UK ladies have been able to get it there. Metformin is great as well.

The diet does a million times better job of correcting cycles than the vitex and B6.

[Chrisje]

Just to let you guys now. You can get Clomid online without a prescription ;-) on the following page. They ship to many countries so the UK must be fine.
Clomid Bestellen In Nederland Zonder Voorschrift - Clomid Apotheek (http://zonder-voorschrift.net/clomid-bestellen-nederland.html)

[GlitterMouse]

Hi Roma Rose! I'm new too, although a serial lurker of a few years!!

Congratulations on your pregnancy. As us lucky boy mummies know, boys are gorgeous and truly wonderful and your three will be a fantastic team growing up.

Thanks for all the detail you included in your post. You raised lots of interesting information about PCOS. I've been wondering for a while whether I have it too. Your symptoms rang a few bells. I have chin hairs, which I had put down to becoming older (tres chic!) , short luteal phase, short cycles, spots (on my chest/back) and I have two sons. I also had an ultrasound some years ago where the sonographer noticed I have one ovary larger than the other. He said this was consistent with PCOS?? Although when I mentioned that my cycles have always been regular he kind of dismissed it as just the way I am made. Helpful!

Thing is, all of this is really pecking at the back of my mind. I have started the LE diet and am getting my cals mostly from carbohydrates. I am losing weight and can feel my personality changing daily-much more relaxed with the kids and day to day life, more laid back, and taking things more in my stride-due to lowering testosterone maybe??? However, I do feel anxious about my sway because I'm really not sure whether I should be doing the PCOS diet and am worried that I am making a huge mistake which could inadvertently sway blue??

How can I know for sure whether I have PCOS? Do GP's in the UK test for this and what are they actually testing for? Hormones?

[3'sacharm]

Just to let you guys now. You can get Clomid online without a prescription ;-) on the following page. They ship to many countries so the UK must be fine.
Clomid Bestellen In Nederland Zonder Voorschrift - Clomid Apotheek (http://zonder-voorschrift.net/clomid-bestellen-nederland.html)
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Have you used this website before? Is it legitimate?? Never ordered anything from overseas let alone drugs ��

[atomic sagebrush]

R

Have you used this website before? Is it legitimate?? Never ordered anything from overseas let alone drugs ��

JMO but we don't encourage you guys to buy online. It is 99% perfectly fine and safe but you wouldn't want to end up with a counterfeit medication or one with dodgy ingredients.

[atomic sagebrush]

Glittermouse, there's no harm in doing the PCOS diet and see how it goes.

PCOS isn't really a disease as such, and so it's very possible to have tendencies in that direction and some symptoms and then never get the syndrome full blown. It's believed that 75-100% of all women would develop PCOS eventually if their diet and lifestyle supported it strongly enough, so you may just be a little further down the continuum with the tendency but not the syndrome.

I don't remember if I linked this here or not. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html

[maidentomother]

Anyone in the US or UK can PM me for online pharmacy info. It's a legitimate pharmacy I used for years when I lived in the US and I've actually tested many of their meds. I have been ripped off more often than not using online pharmacies that didn't come recommended.

They carry Clomid, Femara, and Metformin and tons of other meds.

[GlitterMouse]

Glittermouse, there's no harm in doing the PCOS diet and see how it goes.

PCOS isn't really a disease as such, and so it's very possible to have tendencies in that direction and some symptoms and then never get the syndrome full blown. It's believed that 75-100% of all women would develop PCOS eventually if their diet and lifestyle supported it strongly enough, so you may just be a little further down the continuum with the tendency but not the syndrome.

I don't remember if I linked this here or not. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html

Thank you Atomic. You really are so kind and helpful. Over the years (since 2012 when I started lurking!) both DH and I have appreciated the time and energy you have put into helping everyone. DH is a scientist and I have had no trouble in convincing him to sway whatsoever! Your scientific approach really appeals to him and his outlook. I will have a good read of the essay you linked and have a think about next steps ie LE v's PCOS.

Just a quick question...would LE diet sway blue for me if I have PCOS or tendencies of? I've really got my head around the LE diet and am experiencing good results so am quite happy to stick with it. However, I feel I have one opportunity to get this as right as I can and just want to do the best thing. If I did switch to the PCOS diet, which signs would I look for that would indicate which diet suits me best? How would I know whether to go back to LE or stick with PCOS?

Many thanks in advance of your help.

[atomic sagebrush]

YES, I believe that for some people, the high carb, lower protein, lower fat standard LE can aggravate the PCO tendencies and inadvertently sway blue. Whereas PCOS-type diets seem to sway pink for everyone (wasn't originally sure if that would be the case but it's certainly shaping up that way) The downside of the PCOS-type diets is that they can be much tougher to stick to and also make weight fly off of people who may not have weight to spare so I have those who don't need to use them, stick with standard.

The guideline I use about whether to switch or not, is if you do not lose or even gain weight on standard LE even with 1200-1500 cals, and also if you're eating enough cals but your cycle gets really long anyway. Usually on LE Diet when cycles get long it's because they're not eating enough, but a few people start eating more carbs than they normally do, get borderline PCO, and their cycles get longer because of that. Usually there are other symptoms when that happens like not being able to lose weight though.

[GlitterMouse]

Thank you for the advice Atomic. I will do some reading up on the PCOS diet and track my weight loss a little closer. I am eating the lower end of the calorie bracket and am losing at a good rate. I'm mainly going off my clothes (my scales had a dead battery!) and I am fitting into things I've not worn for ages! Will try and get a bit more scientific with this, but TBH the LE diet is chilling me out a bit and I'm finding I'm going with the flow a bit more!

Thanks again xx

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok if you're losing fast you probably don't need PCOS diet and it is harder to stick to and makes weight fly off. So I'd hesitate to recommend it for you because I would worry you'd stop ovulation.