Boy friendly way to delay O and lengthen cycles?

[Hobbermittens]

I am having a really short cycle this month (o'ed on day12), and I would like to get it a little longer next month. Any ideas?

[Zivic-Bubac]

EPO delayed my O date, Idk how it works for you?

[Hobbermittens]

No, I was taking EPO and Fertile CM together this month and had a super early O! I am afraid to do that again, so I will have to decide which to do next cycle. Which is better in general, do you think? I had good results with both. I tried them each individually, and I had about the same results each time (increased CM).

[Zivic-Bubac]

Which is better in general, do you think? I had good results with both. I tried them each individually
I'm afraid I have experience only with EPO, never used Fertile CM.

Vit B6 also have reputation of delaying O ( although it's meant to make LP longer). There are quite a few excellent threads about it here :agree:
Don't think it's girl supp, it's not! Atomic pointed that few times. You take it all the time and it's important when you get BFP to get off of slowly. Recommended dosage is 100 mg which you already know of course :)

[gizmo77]

L ARGININE

but i would try it only once every 2-3 days...

[Hobbermittens]

Thanks for the tips! I will try the B-6 but I have been taking the Fertile CM and it has L Arg already in it. Should I take just the L-Arg and not the fertile CM? Can I take it NOW or should I wait?

[gizmo77]

id wait till next cyclem you already O'd right? no use in my opinion (at least for the l-arg). you want that in follicular phase. pls be VERY careful with l-arg it could REALLY delay your cycle/O. well if fertile cm didnt do anything to make your cycle longer then maybe the l-arg. but honestly l-arg works diffly for everyone....

[Hobbermittens]

Well, I had a REALLY early O this cycle, and I would like it to be a week longer next cycle, if I had my choice! How much did it delay your O?

[Hobbermittens]

Okay, I have been reading about the B6, and I am wondering if it will even help me now if my attempt is in a few weeks, or if I would have needed to have been taking it for months? I am really wanting to O later next cycle, and my early O this month has thrown everything off!

[atomic sagebrush]

I would do the B6 in a heartbeat. Even if you haven't been taking it for months, it won't hurt and may help.

I am scared of the l-arg (which is also in the Fertile CM for those hwo didn't know that) because it seems like it's messing people up. To my mind, EPO + fish oil is better.

But that having been said, I do think it's totally possible that your cycles are simply getting shorter because the boy diet is giving your body more raw materials to work with (and that's a good thing).

[Flava]

Omg so maybe the fertile cm give me this long wait? My O was like 4-5 day late! But I only took 2 last month and 3 this time. I stoped taking it and then I had O like maybe 4 days later .(i guess O was yesterday)

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't know! It seems impossible that it could be that powerful but who knows???

[Hobbermittens]

I would do the B6 in a heartbeat. Even if you haven't been taking it for months, it won't hurt and may help.

I am scared of the l-arg (which is also in the Fertile CM for those hwo didn't know that) because it seems like it's messing people up. To my mind, EPO + fish oil is better.

But that having been said, I do think it's totally possible that your cycles are simply getting shorter because the boy diet is giving your body more raw materials to work with (and that's a good thing).

How much B6 do you recommend? I have been taking 50mg the last few days. Should I up it?

How does the boy diet make the cycles shorter??

I just want to O around the 10th of October, and I am not sure how to make that happen!!

[atomic sagebrush]

1) I took 100 mg and got what was prob twin boys!!
2) By raising estrogen and helping with your overall fertility, because the diet gives your body more raw materials to manufacture the hormones needed for repro cycles. So if before it took you 3 weeks to O, and now it only takes you 2 weeks, your cycle will get shorter and you'll have more chances to TTC per year. It's actually GOOD news (but no one needs to panic if this isn't happening for them, there are tons of exceptions of peopel with reg. cycles who have girls and people with long cycles who have boys.)
3)you can try the IG trick of going onto BC pills and then going off of them, but a)I don't know how to do that and b)I think it's better to NOT do that.

[gizmo77]

Well, I had a REALLY early O this cycle, and I would like it to be a week longer next cycle, if I had my choice! How much did it delay your O?

it delayed my O about a week but thats only bc i stopped it in time.

[atomic sagebrush]

I also read that soy iso may delay O and some people on IG did use it for this, to get their O into the right moon phase.

[Hobbermittens]

1) I took 100 mg and got what was prob twin boys!!
2) By raising estrogen and helping with your overall fertility, because the diet gives your body more raw materials to manufacture the hormones needed for repro cycles. So if before it took you 3 weeks to O, and now it only takes you 2 weeks, your cycle will get shorter and you'll have more chances to TTC per year. It's actually GOOD news (but no one needs to panic if this isn't happening for them, there are tons of exceptions of peopel with reg. cycles who have girls and people with long cycles who have boys.)
3)you can try the IG trick of going onto BC pills and then going off of them, but a)I don't know how to do that and b)I think it's better to NOT do that.

Is the BC pill "trick" for TTC a girl or boy? I thought you were more likely to get a girl right after BC pills?

Also thought soy was a girlie t hing too? I have been avoiding it, so I probably won't do the iso. I will up my B6, though.

Thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

The BC pills was suggested to anyone who wanted to move their O. I really don't suggest it for anyone because I think it's playing with fire, we do all this work to alter our hormones and then boom give it a big shot of hormones that screw everything up and for what?? A moon phase that prob. doesn't sway much if at all.

Tamara and the IG gang believe soy sways blue becasue it's a phytoestrogen. I have misgivings about that and I think it sways pink (because it interferes with the production and use of your body's natural estrogen and also testosterone)- as long as people dry up their CM at the same time using antihistamines. Plus, when you're swaying blue you do a lot of stuff to increase T and E production so it might sway less pink, than for a pink swayer who was doing a lot to lower T and E. Meaning that if you have a lot of T and E working for you, even if the soy inhibits their production and effectiveness somewhat, the odds are that you are still going to have enough to get the job done. Whereas for a pink swayer, they are doing everything to decrease T and E, and then they throw soy in there on top of it and it interferes with the effectiveness of what little is there. (Does that make sense???)

So if you didn't take anything to dry up your CM and only took it in the short term, like you got pg as quickly as possible and didn't give the iso time to screw things up, it might not have time to affect you negatively. The phytoestrogens seem to make a lot of CM the first month or two people take them and then the CM dries up. I feel that for most people, it's not worth the risk of taking it (because I assume that most everyone wants to optimize their chances) BUT if you have another reason for taking them and you are trying to get pg as quick as you can, it may be worth it to you to try them for 1-2 months, pull out all the stops and get pg right away.

[Hobbermittens]

Interesting. But then, there is no guarantee that I will get pg right away, so I really could screw things up. Right? I am not sure it is worth the risk!

[atomic sagebrush]

No guarantee, but I tend to think that blue swayers may get pg more quickly than pink swayers because you're doing so much to improve fertility overall.

Personally, I wouldn't take it, just laying out the case.

[skrimpy]

Just for my 2 cents - I think it is fine to O earlier in your cycle, esp if swaying blue. If your luteal phase (after O) is short, then it's time to worry b/c it's really hard for a bean to stick. But it's harder for anyone to conceive if they are O'ing later in the cycle according to fertility science.

I think if you are having copious ewcm with an earlier O that is just fine... If your luteal phases are too short then add in more fat and try adjusting your night lighting.


You can try adjusting night lighting to move O back a couple of days but IMO you should shoot for a day 13-15 O and no later. Night lighting (Lunaception) can take a couple of cycles to work.

Just an FYI - my successful blue sway was a day 12 O.

[atomic sagebrush]

Awesome info skrimpy, thank you!!

[Hobbermittens]

What is the deal with the night time lighting? I sleep with all kinds of night lights all over the house, because I really don't like sleeping in pitch black. What does that mean?

Well, at this point, I am leaving it all up to fate. I am taking my same supps, and we'll see when O day arrives....

[skrimpy]

Our cycles are very much effected by night lighting since they're tied to the moon cycles (at least were traditionally before we had all these electric lights!)

You can help your body to ovulate when you want to in your cycle by sleeping in total darkness until you want to ovulate. Then put on a nightlight, open curtains, etc. for a couple of days. So if you want to O on cycle day 15, turn a nightlight on before you go to bed on CD 14. This helps mimic what the moon naturally did for our cycles and it has been shown to be pretty effective.

[Hobbermittens]

Our cycles are very much effected by night lighting since they're tied to the moon cycles (at least were traditionally before we had all these electric lights!)

You can help your body to ovulate when you want to in your cycle by sleeping in total darkness until you want to ovulate. Then put on a nightlight, open curtains, etc. for a couple of days. So if you want to O on cycle day 15, turn a nightlight on before you go to bed on CD 14. This helps mimic what the moon naturally did for our cycles and it has been shown to be pretty effective.

Wow, that is really interesting! I wonder if my cycle is irregular because I have nightlights on? Did you say it takes a few months to get it regulated with the lights, though? Does it matter when in your cycle that you start doing it?

[atomic sagebrush]

here's the essay about nighttime lighting and why it might work scientifically. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1421-Lunaception

I would start it whenever - it can't hurt and may help. It may be why your cycle is irregular. Though it strains my brain to believe that lighting can be so powerful, I do know I don't sleep as well when I have even the tiny light on the DVD player turned on.

[Hobbermittens]

here's the essay about nighttime lighting and why it might work scientifically. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1421-Lunaception

I would start it whenever - it can't hurt and may help. It may be why your cycle is irregular. Though it strains my brain to believe that lighting can be so powerful, I do know I don't sleep as well when I have even the tiny light on the DVD player turned on.

Really? Wow, I have all kinds of lights on. I leave a light on in the kitchen, a night light in the kids' bathroom, and even one in my bathroom! And we have a single story house, and not a big one at that. I guess I can try sleeping in pitch black, but it might be hard for me.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, it's one of those things where if you can do it, then do, and if you just can't, if it's too weird, no big deal.

[Hobbermittens]

I tried it last night. Slept in the dark! There are a few things I can't make dark, like the noise machine that DD2 sleeps with (in our room) and it glows a little. Still. Pretty much dark! So, so I turn lights on when I want to O, or the day before?

[atomic sagebrush]

I would turn the light on 2 days before you want to O and leave it on a total of three days, so O day and 2 days before O day. Keep me up to date on how this goes, I think you're the first person who is going to try it.

No matter what, if you get a pos OPK and you're going to O (regardless of whether the light had anything to do with it or not) go ahead and turn the light on, so your body thinks it's a full moon. Might help sway blue a little!!

[Hobbermittens]

Okay, I will try it! I screwed up my attempt this cycle, so hopefully I can O on the right day next cycle.

[gizmo77]

im kinda nervous too but at the same tim ei think...im not gaining anymore *&%$# weight! ;-)

[Zivic-Bubac]

Excellent thread!