Ovulation and cutoff

[squigglepink]

Hi, me again :worry:

Is ovulation obvious to pin point? Is your peak fertile when we have EWCM and more than likely ovulation?? - because with me, i usually go through all the CM stages and end off with the EWCM (one day after a [positive OPK) and go completely dry until my AF starts..

My cut off question for ttc girl - We are planning on DH fr for 7-10 days and then one attempt at 3 days prior to ovulation (missionary, shallow penetration and no Big O for me).. im so nervous about doing it so close to ovulation because that resulted in boys for me both times. I do understand that this may result in no pregnancy at all.. but im willing to atleast start there and move closer to ovulation should we get a BFN at first attempt. Has anyone else ttc girl successfully this way?

Thanks for any feedback x

[purple]

Timing doesn't sway but having just one attempt in the fertile period does. I would advise to forget about a cutoff amd just BD when you get your first OPK+

Did you have several attempts around ovulation for your boys?

[honeybee37]

I'm still struggling to get over the idea that timing doesn't sway... Read so much that says it does and both my boys were conceived the day before ovulation!

With regards ovulation, I ovulate on the last day of EWCM, usually I have three or four days of it. This month we had our attempt on the first day of EWCM and typically I ended up having six days of it so we were way out!

Are you using OPKs? I struggle with them.

[purple]

I was using opks but the cheap ebay ones didn't work that well for me. I can normally tell when I'm actually ovulating because I get ovulation pain.

Maybe you could try every 4 days if the opks dont work for you. This will give you 1 attempt in the fertile period.

[honeybee37]

Purple, yes I think next cycle we will definitely try e4d. Do you think it reduces the chance of pink? This month I was so upset that I ovulated way later than expected! I am wondering if Vitex has messed things up so I'm stopping that (goodness knows when that will mean I ovulate next month though....)
Squiggle pink, are you taking any supps?

[squigglepink]

Hi honeybee - im only taking folic acid. I was considering Cranberry - but after hours and hours of reading through the threads i dont think i will take it. Im actually not sure what to do re supps?

[squigglepink]

Hi purple - not many attempts for my boys no. We were not swaying for either of them. After learning more about swaying however, i can confirm we were deffo more boy diet then . Im very fertile and my hubby is too. I somehow feel the need to do opposite of what we did with our boys - starting with diet.. i deffo think fl will help us. Just VERY unsure on timing due to all the conflicting info out there.. even with the fact its been debunked.. still tempting after two boys :rolleyes:

[squigglepink]

Hi purple - forgot to mention i always ovulate the next day after +OPK - this is whats making me nervous

[squigglepink]

Yea honeybee - same boat re boys and ovulation... and i was deffo boy diet at the time and deep penetration and and and.. all the boy stuff by the sounds of it!! Hence i also feel safer doing one attempt few days before O then if BFN i can bring it closer to O next cycle. Really is a tough one... wish it didnt bother me so much!!
I only have EWCM on one day which is the day i ovulate along with ovulation pain. After couple ours pain gone and im dry!

[purple]

I think diet plays a big role as well as how often you eat. I snacked all the time when my boys were conceived.

If you have some time then try having your attempt a few days before. If it doesn't work then bring it closer to O. Just try not to get too caught up on the timing :) good luck!

[squigglepink]

Yeah Purple - im a snacker. And now that i know i should not (cannot) snack in between meals im constantly opening and closing the cupboards! Bad habit but i seem to be coping ok. Didnt help that DH bought me chocolates for Valentines day :) I would usually sit with some tea and have some biscuits mid morning and even in the afternoon.. anyway.. i havent eaten meat in over a year so i can pretty much give up anything if i put my mind to it!

Thanks - we have some time.. I was originally going to start as far back as 5 day cut off.. but ive since brought it to 3 day cur off. That is where i am at, at the moment.. This could change - im still working on my plan whilst trying to keep it simple.

I see you have a bun in the oven - congratulations!!

[squigglepink]

I think diet plays a big role as well as how often you eat. I snacked all the time when my boys were conceived.

If you have some time then try having your attempt a few days before. If it doesn't work then bring it closer to O. Just try not to get too caught up on the timing :) good luck!

Thanks v much x

[atomic sagebrush]

No, ovuation has been proven time and again to be IMPOSSIBLE to pinpoint even for highly trained experts with good level of technology. They got it within a few days but beyond that it was random chance, about 1 out of 3 times correct.

What you are reporting is actually a variation of normal and I also often dry up 1-2 days before O. On the cycle I conceived my daughter, the opposite happened and I had EwCM for 2 days after (and subsequently have noticed both variations happen off and on) THe idea that you can use CM or CP or temps or anything to pinpoint O even to the DAY, let alone the hour, has been totally debunked.

As long as you stick with that one attempt you can try whatever tactic you want. Personally, I got boys 3 days before O and my girl in the "boy timing" but I understand the wish to leave no stone unturned.

please read the case against timing for swaying here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm still struggling to get over the idea that timing doesn't sway... Read so much that says it does and both my boys were conceived the day before ovulation!

With regards ovulation, I ovulate on the last day of EWCM, usually I have three or four days of it. This month we had our attempt on the first day of EWCM and typically I ended up having six days of it so we were way out!

Are you using OPKs? I struggle with them.

That is only because so many people have heard of it. They just regurgitate the same info again and again even though Dr. Shettles has been 1000% proven to be wrong on what he observed. X is not slow and long lived, Y is not fast and short lived, HE MADE A MISTAKE. This has been proven in dozens of studies using the most cutting edge of technology. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-and-scientific-research/1562-what-real-differences-between-x-sperm-y-sperm.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi purple - not many attempts for my boys no. We were not swaying for either of them. After learning more about swaying however, i can confirm we were deffo more boy diet then . Im very fertile and my hubby is too. I somehow feel the need to do opposite of what we did with our boys - starting with diet.. i deffo think fl will help us. Just VERY unsure on timing due to all the conflicting info out there.. even with the fact its been debunked.. still tempting after two boys :rolleyes:

There isn't that much conflicting info, there are all the people who just repackage the same thing again and again, and then me LOL. It is NOT that dozens of sources did separate investigations and all concluded the same thing, instead it's that several people just dug up Shettles and used it. and even those who did studies, did them trying to prove timing worked and did pretty cruddy studies because of that. The people who legitimately did study it, found results all over the map and debunked the whole thing.

remember, when it comes to doing the opposite, it only helps if the thing you're doing the opposite on actually swayed for you to begin with.

It's like going on the Atkins diet and if it doesn't work for you, you don't lose weight.deciding, Ok that must mean I have to do the opposite and now I"m going to eat nothing but birthday cake. It can end up even WORSE if you misdiagnose the problem and end up doing something that's even worse than what you did to begin with (like doing 3 attempts with a cutoff) that would only make MORE boys.

I BEG you not to start off doing a 5 day cutoff. It's next to impossible to conceive that far out under ideal circumstances, and swaying pink is NOT ideal circumstances. What invariably happens when you guys start off doing too much, too strict, is that you don't get pregnant and month after month goes by. Then, you've lost too much weight, your cycle goes nutty, and either you panic and stop swaying all togehter, or even have to basically sway BLUE just to get things going again.

[squigglepink]

Hi Atomic- ive spent more time on here reading and learning and im totally NOT going to do a 5 day cut off anymore. Infact im even thinking of tossing the 3 day cut off idea and going straight to DTD on +OPK. However now you've gone and given me something else to look out for - "count from first positive and NOT darkest" :rolleyes: :) I got the idea of the 5 day cut off from the book Choose the Sex of your baby, by Hazel Chesterman-Phiilps as she says with absolute certainty that is how she conceived both her girls and the opposite for her only son. INTERESTINGLY however!!!!! - when she had her girls, they had unprotected sex ONCE (on the 5th day of her cycle after AF).. anyway.. im not too bothered about timing anymore.. which for me is a big leap!

[Traci25]

I personally experienced exactly what atomic is saying. To me the constant snacking, he diet and 2 attempts O-3 and and O -1 and I conceived both my boys. Dd I didn't snack, LE diet, skipped breakfast and 1 attempt with dump and jump. I wasn't swaying on any but I am a classic sway case. I'm swaying now ttc another dd. But no luck so far. But I'm 40 now, ugh! Good luck to you!!

[squigglepink]

I personally experienced exactly what atomic is saying. To me the constant snacking, he diet and 2 attempts O-3 and and O -1 and I conceived both my boys. Dd I didn't snack, LE diet, skipped breakfast and 1 attempt with dump and jump. I wasn't swaying on any but I am a classic sway case. I'm swaying now ttc another dd. But no luck so far. But I'm 40 now, ugh! Good luck to you!!

Hi Traci, nice to 'meet' you! Thanks for sharing that bit of info. All the best to you xx

[atomic sagebrush]

Unless Hazel had ultrasound, bloodwork, or preferably both, to confirm the day of ovulation, no one has any way to prove whether she really had a 5 day cutoff or not. I'm skeptical as I have seen dozens of women try it and very few conceive that way.

I think the number of attempts thing is a pretty big discovery we've made here because it demonstrates how some of these BS methods that are complete nonsense, are appearing to work for people. Both timing and pH are nearly always done with one attempt for pink and for blue, most people take so long to get pregnant with one attempt on O they add attempts before they conceive.

[squigglepink]

Atomic hi - wanted to ask you re ovulation - could i assume having had ewcm and a positive opk on the same day and then totally dry thereafter - that, that day i ovulated? Or can one get a positive test then go completely dry the next day and ovulation may occur still within the next 2-3 days even though im totally dry and no other obvious signs?? I think you have said it doesnt matter in which order it all happens.. but i think im more wondering if one is still about to ovulate (after + OPK) even though your cm / ewcm has all dried up!!

[atomic sagebrush]

You can assume, but allow that voice of doubt to still be in the back of your mind because you can gear up to O, your body decides "eh not yet" and then shuts 'er down only to resume the process in a week or so.

I think it's best to look at the bigger picture, things like libido, PMS, EWCM, O Pain, post-O pain, sore BBS, OPK if you're using them, etc I have a pretty good idea when I Oed but not even I can get it to the day. I'm pretty good at it at this point but I could not tell you if it was yesterday or today or tomorrow that the egg actually popped.