Bummed clomid user updated 26th February 2016

[Beautifulrainbow]

Had a scan on Monday cd10, and I thought and got the impressions from the fertility clinic that clomid had not not worked, I had a folical at 12mm and a really thin womb lining still.
I went back today cd14 and is was good and bad news I don't know what to make of it...
My womb lining was looking better they was able to see those 3 lines in my womb that looked good for egg implantation, they showed me the lines, I could see them, but I didn't have a clue what they were talking about with the 3 lines never heard of it before.
Then they checked for that 12mm folical and not was nothing developing the folical had vanished, but I have not ovulated. They want to scan me again on Monday to double check then follow up with the doctor on Friday, which they said they will they prob give me metofomin and clomid next there.
I don't understand what has happened...
I'm eating heathy, exercising, been losing weight slowly since last year, thought I was doing everything right to increase my chances, my body just doesn't want to play ball!
I just want to cry and cry and cry!

[honeybee37]

Oh no... I don't know anything about clomid, but sounds very frustrating. I'm sorry. :(

[Beautifulrainbow]

Top it off, my friend took me to our local garden centre coffee shop after the scan, which has a children's soft play area in it too, I saw 2 brand new baby girls there. I couldn't help feeling tearful and jealous!

[atomic sagebrush]

I woudl not be surprised if they find it again on Monday, and if they don't, I wonder if it was ever there to start with (which doesn't SEEM like good news but it actualy is because at least you didn't ahve an egg that wasn't developing.) Ultrasounds are not as easy to read as they make them out to be.

Please don't be upset, this is just a little bump in the road and they'll get it figured out for you. :)

[maidentomother]

I agree with atomic. I've done a ton of monitored cycles and scans are really not cut and dry. Also if you're at all fluffy it can make them harder to read and I've seen many cases in which overweight women were mis-scanned. I would guess you still have that dominant follicle and it is developing still, though you may O later than expected. Especially if you are on only 50mg of Clomid. Many PCOS ladies O late on 50mg.

[Beautifulrainbow]

This cycle I was on 100mg clomid.
I understand that the can get it wrong especially over weight women, but I'm barely over weight!
Still holding out hope that i still have a follicle there somewhere! Hopefully it will be found on Monday, the good thing is I'm not getting charged for the scan on Monday!

[atomic sagebrush]

It can happen anyway though, because there is just a lot going on in there LOL

[atomic sagebrush]

Are you having attempts all along, every 3 or 4 days??? Don't stop because they may not have this at all right.

[Beautifulrainbow]

My plan as for bd, hope it's right, just bd last night and tonight just incase! But from here it every 4 days may do an extra attempt if I get a pos OPK, can my hubby fr every 2 days to sway pink? Or just keep him e4d too?

[maidentomother]

On 100mg I really think it is unlikely that dominant follicle disappeared. Fx for you.

[atomic sagebrush]

My plan as for bd, hope it's right, just bd last night and tonight just incase! But from here it every 4 days may do an extra attempt if I get a pos OPK, can my hubby fr every 2 days to sway pink? Or just keep him e4d too?

Yes from here on do e4d plus one more if pos OPK shows up.

No need for hubby to relese in between, that doesn't sway pink.

[Beautifulrainbow]

So I have been for another scan, the nurse found something on the scan, went to fetch a doctor and Who took over scanning me, the nurse was pointing out the thing on the screen to the doctor, saying "I cannot make out what it is".
she thought it might be an ectopic pregnancy at 1st. After the doctor took a really long good look at what ever it was, she said its a bit of free flowing fluid, it's not inside the ovary, womb or tubes and nothing untoward is going on. No developing follicles at all, but my lining is at the thickest it's been since I started having scans (over 8mm thick)
They now have stopped this cycle as nothing is growing so I have to go back on Friday to see the doctor. The plan on that day would to be start a new cycle, which would either be;
I will take prova then either.....

Metaformin and clomid again which I don't think is the right treatment.
Or
Injections where I need to be closely monitored

Not sure if I should risk asking for the clomid again and going through all this again or just go straight to injections which do you all think is better?

I know clomid sways pink but does metaformin and the injections?

[purple]

I'm sorry it's not going to plan :(

Metformin is supposed to have some pink sway. What are you on? Im taking 1500mg per day (over 3 doses). It is supposed to take some time to kick in, my cycles didn't have time to shorten but it stopped my issue with mid cycle bleeding.

I don't think clomid is right for you so maybe the injections would be better? Clomid still sways the following cycle so that good at least.

[Beautifulrainbow]

I'm not on metaform at all atm purple but it was discussed as a possibility, I have only ever had mid cycle bleeding once and that was last cycle that coupled with a thin lining, and after that the doc put me on the bcp for 21 day and that seems to have done the trick for this cycle.

I'm really wanting to have a baby ( girl if poss) by the end of 2016 and I have worked out for that to happen I must conceive before end of March.
So I'm feeling that this is my last chance so I really need it to work if metaformin take a while to work I cannot see it happening.

[purple]

Metformin alone might not be enough but it works well with the fertility meds. What 'sold' it to me was the fact that it reduces miscarriage in pcos women.

[maidentomother]

:( I'm sorry to hear that. I'm still hoping they are wrong. ?.but if a third scan confirms I'd go ahead with further treatment.

I definitely think Metformin sways pink. I think injections either sway slightly blue or are neutral at best, but if you need them you need them! Plus the Clomid will still be in your system swaying pink for you. I agree more Clomid doesn't seem a great option considering. Did they not mention Femara? I would ask to try that next, it often works in Clomid resistant women and may sway pink even more than Clomid. You could also do Met, Femara, AND injections.

[Beautifulrainbow]

:( I'm sorry to hear that. I'm still hoping they are wrong. ?.but if a third scan confirms I'd go ahead with further treatment.

I definitely think Metformin sways pink. I think injections either sway slightly blue or are neutral at best, but if you need them you need them! Plus the Clomid will still be in your system swaying pink for you. I agree more Clomid doesn't seem a great option considering. Did they not mention Femara? I would ask to try that next, it often works in Clomid resistant women and may sway pink even more than Clomid. You could also do Met, Femara, AND injections.

What is the chance of a multiple with femara and the injections, I know with clomid its 10% (in my case 0%)

[maidentomother]

Femara has a very low fate of multiples, much lower than Clomid. Injections however are how you get most of the higher order multiples and has a much higher rate. But it does vary alot depending on dose and how you respond. I had 4 eggs (3 from my possibly damaged dominant right ovary, 1 from my lazy left ovary) in the one cycle I did of Gonal-F injections. I had 5 days of low dose, 1 day of moderate dose. When used with Femara they often do only 1-3 days of low dose injections and the chance of multiples is lower. I was a really good responder and have high AMH and high AFC so my response may not be typical.

[Beautifulrainbow]

Friday 26th February update! Cd21
So I have been to see the doctor this morning and she won't start a new cycle, she want to wait until I get my period, which I the argued that is not going to be for along time, because if Im not developing an folical, I'm not going to ovulate any time soon so not going to get my period. She eventually agreed to scan me again in 2 weeks time.
The treatment plan now is she wants to try 150mg clomid with metaformin and wasn't going to give me them until I had my scan, again I said "I heard it takes a while to work" (Thankyou purple) "isn't it better then if I started it sooner" then agreed I can take that home with me today.
I questioned femara, and she said no she wants to fully exhaust the clomid 1st and there is 2 more options before we get to femara. She said injections 1st the another drug beginning with an m but can't remember the name now sorry.
She doesn't want to try femara because it's a new drug and they don't know what the effect on genetics are yet!
After this discussion she said it was up to me if I wanted to do clomid or injections, because she said "considering that the 100mg didn't work the likelihood is the 150mg is not going to work either" but she really wants to exhaust the clomid 1st, I have to make a decision by 2weeks today whether I do clomid 150mg or I do injections.

Dilemma, CLOMID 100mg didn't work, INJECTIONS sways blue, also don't like needles, what do I do?

Doesn't look like I'm having a baby this year :sigh::sad::SS:

[maidentomother]

I'm glad you pushed her! How annoying. That's very frustrating about the Femara, but unfortunately many drs have that opinion of it, including mine. It's so stupid bc it's SAFER than Clomid, but there's no arguing with most drs.

I would do the injections. We don't know that they sway blue, that's just MY opinion, and I don't think it's a strong effect. I did a cycle of injections and will do them again most likely. You can't have a daughter without an egg! The needle is tiny and the injections barely hurt. They're not like shots or blood draws, which I've had terrible experiences with.

You could O before you next see her, especially if you start the Metformin. If you're doing the diet & daily cardio you should have a great shot at a girl.

[Beautifulrainbow]

With the injections the Drs said they had more control over it and said they would just stop the injections if more than 3 folicals were growing, it would be the same with clomid but not as much control because once you have aken the pills you can't take them back again!
If I didn't respond to the clomid is there a better chance of responding to the injections?
Does metformin sway girl?
And side effects on metformin?

[purple]

Metformin sways girl but I don't think there are any clear stats on it.

You need to start it slowly to minimize side effects like nausea and diarrhea. I started 1 tablet of 500mg per day for 5 days then went to 2 for 5 days and then up to 3 a day. I take it right after my meal, taking it with food reduces side effects. I have been pretty lucky though as I didn't get many. There is also a slow release version that is the same dose as the 3 I take but you just have it once a day. The dr was going to swap me over after seeing how well I tolerated the met.

[maidentomother]

You are much more likely to respond to injections. It is very unlikely they won't work. I found the side effects minimal, waaay better than those from Clomid. If they plan to monitor you that closely I think you'll respond very well.

I think Metformin has a significant pink sway effect. It does have unpleasant side effects that are common, as purple described, and the ER version is generally better tolerated.

[atomic sagebrush]

Injections don't sway blue to my knowledge.

[Beautifulrainbow]

Metformin sways girl but I don't think there are any clear stats on it.

You need to start it slowly to minimize side effects like nausea and diarrhea. I started 1 tablet of 500mg per day for 5 days then went to 2 for 5 days and then up to 3 a day. I take it right after my meal, taking it with food reduces side effects. I have been pretty lucky though as I didn't get many. There is also a slow release version that is the same dose as the 3 I take but you just have it once a day. The dr was going to swap me over after seeing how well I tolerated the met.

Yes starting the same way 500mg at dinner every night for a week then adding another 500mg for a week then when I go back for my scan I'm being upped to 2 x850mg tabs a day, unless I cannot tolerate them, but they don't think I will have that problem as I didn't have any side effects with clomid,
That being said I did feel shaky and tingly and bad gas (sorry tmi)last night a few hours after I had my 1st dose of meformin.

[purple]

2x 850mg is good if you are also only having 2 meals for your sway. I still had 3 meals because I couldn't skip breakfast completely.

[Beautifulrainbow]

I haven't eaten breakfast in years long before swaying

[atomic sagebrush]

Whether you have side effects with met has nothing to do with Clomid, they do different things entirely